My first comment it to Jennifurret: first of all, Amish people don’t vote so it doesn’t matter that there are a lot of them in Northern Indiana. Second, mennonite and amish are not the same. Third, many, many of the mennonite churches is Goshen supported the ordinance to be passed.

My second comment is there are a lot of christians (often they are the ones doing the talking) who disagree with gay rights and hate gays, but from my view, they aren’t Christians. They are killing the face of christianity. Yes, I am a Christian. I am a mennonite. I fully devote my life to God. I support LGBT inclusion. Jesus’ biggest lesson was to love everyone even if we disagree with them. So, so many people have lost sight of that lesson and focus on things that are hardly even mentioned in the bible (like, homosexuality).

So, yes, the face of christianity is being desecrated by many religious people… you just have to know who the true Christians are.

Other then that point I pretty much agree with what you have said.

So, if you can’t explain things in non-atheists terms than its not applicable?

I’ll give you another chance to make your statement then.

Ooooh, another chance; how charitable of you.

“Nonreligious terms” isn’t really the same as saying “atheist terms,” because I’m talking about terms without religion applied to them, not atheist-specific terms. There are a few basic morals that are true across humanity because they’ve helped us to survive by working together in groups; don’t kill, don’t lie, don’t steal, et cetera. Religion (and culture, but culture is too nebulous and vast to be relevant here) arbitrarily applies new rules on top of these that really have no outside necessity; if you’re part of this religion, obviously you will feel very strongly about it, but we’re not part of your religion so we don’t care about your particular imposed rules.

It’s like if you walked up to someone and told them that they must never ever wear blue because wearing blue attracts flesh-eating Snorglehoffs, and then being angry because they look at you funny and wear blue anyway. Similarly, we don’t care about religious reasons to dislike homosexuality because, lacking belief in these rules, we have no reason to; therefore, all such arguments will fail. I know many Christians think that atheists are merely in denial of god’s existence in order to get away with sinning, but that’s simply not true–we don’t hide in corners cackling madly to ourselves about how bad we’re being or feeling ashamed that we’re sinning but just can’t stop. In fact, for most of us it doesn’t even cross our minds, because these arbitrary rules really, indeed, mean nothing to us. We’re about as concerned about judgement day as the person on the street is concerned about being attacked by Snorglehoffs. It doesn’t come up. Try to ban us from wearing blue, and of course we will be very upset.

You’ve missed your own point there buddy. Hint: You didn’t make a coherent one. I’ll look forward to your second try though.

You’re the one who can’t argue without baseless analogies between gays and murderers.

Unfortunately for most of you, your stubborness will keep you from admitting that until its too late.

So you think you can read minds? How can you possibly know that we disbelieve out of stubbornness? Many people on this site used to believe but couldn’t make themselves continue to do so.

You’ve missed my point. I said that as a point against your stupid analogy between gays and murderers.

You’ve missed your own point there buddy. Hint: You didn’t make a coherent one. I’ll look forward to your second try though.

@Carlie

You are wrong.

Actually, Carlie, it is the other way around – you are wrong. Read your evidence again.

@ChameleonDave

Please don’t make Jon look comparatively sensible

Sadly for you, that is unavoidable. There can be as many articles and comments promoting Atheism as you want – but the position is illogical and indefensible. Sooner or later, you will be forced to admit that. Unfortunately for most of you, your stubborness will keep you from admitting that until its too late.