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	<title>Comments on: Unitarian Universalists Complain About Atheist Ads</title>
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	<description>by Hemant Mehta</description>
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		<title>By: Damon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 18:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is really a no-brainer: Unitarian Universalism is a religion (yet a dogma-free one) - placing an ad from a group based on Freedom From Religion in a religious publication makes somewhere between little and no sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is really a no-brainer: Unitarian Universalism is a religion (yet a dogma-free one) &#8211; placing an ad from a group based on Freedom From Religion in a religious publication makes somewhere between little and no sense.</p>
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		<title>By: What&#8217;s your personal spiritual practice? &#124; Live Unitarian-ly</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/09/09/unitarian-universalists-complain-about-atheist-ads/#comment-501255</link>
		<dc:creator>What&#8217;s your personal spiritual practice? &#124; Live Unitarian-ly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jun 2010 20:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] as the minister. I&#8217;m a happy atheist, but I get the strongest sense that they&#8217;re in the John Buehrens and Forrest Church school of thinking about atheism – that we&#8217;re just people who haven&#8217;t thought long [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] as the minister. I&#8217;m a happy atheist, but I get the strongest sense that they&#8217;re in the John Buehrens and Forrest Church school of thinking about atheism – that we&#8217;re just people who haven&#8217;t thought long [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Daylight Atheism &#62; Unitarian Universalism: A Matter of Definition</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/09/09/unitarian-universalists-complain-about-atheist-ads/#comment-416723</link>
		<dc:creator>Daylight Atheism &#62; Unitarian Universalism: A Matter of Definition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 17:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Greta and Hemant have commented on the full-page ad run by the Freedom from Religion Foundation in the latest issue [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Greta and Hemant have commented on the full-page ad run by the Freedom from Religion Foundation in the latest issue [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Sideways</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/09/09/unitarian-universalists-complain-about-atheist-ads/#comment-367040</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica Sideways</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 03:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a UU and I was really happy to see that they initially published the ads. And I&#039;m sad to see that they took them down after a few religious mental cases bellyached.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a UU and I was really happy to see that they initially published the ads. And I&#8217;m sad to see that they took them down after a few religious mental cases bellyached.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Edgar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin Edgar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Getting back to the controversy arising from the Freedom From Religion Foundation&#039;s &quot;FreeThought&quot; Bus Sign Campaign ad in the UU World magazine it should be noted that some agnostic Humanist UUs considered the ad to be inappropriate and hostile to ALL religion even non-theistic religion. No doubt the ad that offended these *religious* Humanists was the Butterfly McQueen quote which did not float like a butterfly but did sting like a &#039;B&#039; for boorish. . . It is one thing for a person to speak about freeing themselves from their own personal &quot;slavery&quot; to religion but quite another for someone to assert that ALL religion is &quot;slavery&quot;. Anyone interested in reviewing what Unitarian*Universalist bloggers thought about the FFRF ad in the UU World magazine should follow this link to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://uupdates.net/index.php?q=Freedom+From+Religion&amp;page=1&amp;nper=20&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;UUpdates blog aggregator&lt;/a&gt; and browse through the various blog posts and attached comments. It&#039;s probably not *too* late to comment on their blogs yourself if you want to. I had quite a bit of fun parodying the ads on The Wonderful Wizard of U*Us blog (linked from my name) as well as on The Emerson Avenger blog and the &lt;a href=&quot;http://occams-zweihander.blogspot.com/2009/09/joseph-stalin-is-arguably-most.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Occam&#039;s Zweihander blog&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting back to the controversy arising from the Freedom From Religion Foundation&#8217;s &#8220;FreeThought&#8221; Bus Sign Campaign ad in the UU World magazine it should be noted that some agnostic Humanist UUs considered the ad to be inappropriate and hostile to ALL religion even non-theistic religion. No doubt the ad that offended these *religious* Humanists was the Butterfly McQueen quote which did not float like a butterfly but did sting like a &#8216;B&#8217; for boorish. . . It is one thing for a person to speak about freeing themselves from their own personal &#8220;slavery&#8221; to religion but quite another for someone to assert that ALL religion is &#8220;slavery&#8221;. Anyone interested in reviewing what Unitarian*Universalist bloggers thought about the FFRF ad in the UU World magazine should follow this link to the <a href="http://uupdates.net/index.php?q=Freedom+From+Religion&amp;page=1&amp;nper=20" rel="nofollow">UUpdates blog aggregator</a> and browse through the various blog posts and attached comments. It&#8217;s probably not *too* late to comment on their blogs yourself if you want to. I had quite a bit of fun parodying the ads on The Wonderful Wizard of U*Us blog (linked from my name) as well as on The Emerson Avenger blog and the <a href="http://occams-zweihander.blogspot.com/2009/09/joseph-stalin-is-arguably-most.html" rel="nofollow">Occam&#8217;s Zweihander blog</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Edgar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin Edgar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record: One Robin Edgar got thrown out by the Montreal Unitarians for his &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.montrealmirror.com/ARCHIVES/1998/060498/news5.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;peaceful public protest&lt;/a&gt; against the anti-religious intolerance and bigotry that he was subjected to by the far from friendly, indeed the intolerant, insulting, and outright *hostile* and abusive Atheist leaders of the Unitarian Church of Montreal. 

You are quite right Alex. It is in fact nothing new for the U*U power structure to censor or excommunicate critics and dissenters who U*Us choose the fate of portraying as heretical or blasphemous people. Outrageously hypocritical Unitarian*Universalists aka U*Us will even go so far as to have such &quot;heretical&quot; people &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.montrealmirror.com/ARCHIVES/2000/120700/news5.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;unjustly arrested&lt;/a&gt; on trumped up criminal charges in order to try to suppress a peaceful public protest. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record: One Robin Edgar got thrown out by the Montreal Unitarians for his <a href="http://www.montrealmirror.com/ARCHIVES/1998/060498/news5.html" rel="nofollow">peaceful public protest</a> against the anti-religious intolerance and bigotry that he was subjected to by the far from friendly, indeed the intolerant, insulting, and outright *hostile* and abusive Atheist leaders of the Unitarian Church of Montreal. </p>
<p>You are quite right Alex. It is in fact nothing new for the U*U power structure to censor or excommunicate critics and dissenters who U*Us choose the fate of portraying as heretical or blasphemous people. Outrageously hypocritical Unitarian*Universalists aka U*Us will even go so far as to have such &#8220;heretical&#8221; people <a href="http://www.montrealmirror.com/ARCHIVES/2000/120700/news5.html" rel="nofollow">unjustly arrested</a> on trumped up criminal charges in order to try to suppress a peaceful public protest. . .</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 17:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our great Theodore Parker and heretic also got thrown out by the Boston Unitarians for his blasphemy. So it&#039;s nothing new for the UU power structure to censor or excommunicate heretical or blasphemous people or organizations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our great Theodore Parker and heretic also got thrown out by the Boston Unitarians for his blasphemy. So it&#8217;s nothing new for the UU power structure to censor or excommunicate heretical or blasphemous people or organizations.</p>
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		<title>By: Rieux</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/09/09/unitarian-universalists-complain-about-atheist-ads/#comment-361972</link>
		<dc:creator>Rieux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vincent wrote:&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Is the demographic split between warm + fuzzy theists and atheists shifting in the UUA to make atheists even more marginalized in their ranks?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;As an atheist who spent seven years (2001-08) as a member of a UU church....

Yes.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Our resistance to religious language gets reflected, I think, in the struggle that so many of us have in trying to find ways to say who we are, to define Unitarian Universalism. I always encourage people to work on their &quot;elevator speech&quot;-for when you&#039;re on the 6th floor and you&#039;re going to the lobby and somebody asks you, &quot;What&#039;s a Unitarian Universalist?&quot; What do you say? You&#039;ve got about 45 seconds. Here&#039;s my current answer: &quot;The Unitarian side of our family tree tells us that there is only one God, one Spirit of Life, one Power of Love. The Universalist side tells us that God is a loving God, condemning none of us, and valuing the spark of divinity that is in every human being. So, &lt;b&gt;Unitarian Universalism stands for: one God, no one left behind&lt;/b&gt;.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

 - Rev. William H. Sinkford (Unitarian Universalist Association President, 2001-09), sermon, &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://archive.uua.org/president/030112.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Language of Faith&lt;/a&gt;,&quot; January 12, 2003 (boldface added)&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vincent wrote:<br />
<blockquote><i>Is the demographic split between warm + fuzzy theists and atheists shifting in the UUA to make atheists even more marginalized in their ranks?</i></p></blockquote>
<p>As an atheist who spent seven years (2001-08) as a member of a UU church&#8230;.</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<blockquote><p><i>Our resistance to religious language gets reflected, I think, in the struggle that so many of us have in trying to find ways to say who we are, to define Unitarian Universalism. I always encourage people to work on their &#8220;elevator speech&#8221;-for when you&#8217;re on the 6th floor and you&#8217;re going to the lobby and somebody asks you, &#8220;What&#8217;s a Unitarian Universalist?&#8221; What do you say? You&#8217;ve got about 45 seconds. Here&#8217;s my current answer: &#8220;The Unitarian side of our family tree tells us that there is only one God, one Spirit of Life, one Power of Love. The Universalist side tells us that God is a loving God, condemning none of us, and valuing the spark of divinity that is in every human being. So, <b>Unitarian Universalism stands for: one God, no one left behind</b>.&#8221;</i></p>
<p> &#8211; Rev. William H. Sinkford (Unitarian Universalist Association President, 2001-09), sermon, &#8220;<a href="http://archive.uua.org/president/030112.html" rel="nofollow">The Language of Faith</a>,&#8221; January 12, 2003 (boldface added)</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if there is a change in the UUA.

More and more people are leaving their religions.  People are getting fed up with their churches but not wanting to give up on God.  Are they moving to the UU churches?  Is the demographic split between warm + fuzzy theists and atheists shifting in the UUA to make atheists even more marginalized in their ranks?

Just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if there is a change in the UUA.</p>
<p>More and more people are leaving their religions.  People are getting fed up with their churches but not wanting to give up on God.  Are they moving to the UU churches?  Is the demographic split between warm + fuzzy theists and atheists shifting in the UUA to make atheists even more marginalized in their ranks?</p>
<p>Just a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Rieux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rieux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;Now, why would you BOTHER putting an ad in a magazine that was going to offend most of the readers?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Because it contained important ideas that deserve to be published, and because (given the UUA&#039;s supposed principles) there are no legitimate grounds for offense. That ad is only offensive to people who have bought into atheophobic bigotry. The FFRF &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; ignore bigots.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;Those quotes, however, *ARE* offensive to anyone with any amount of faith....&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Oh, the poor darlings! It must be so &lt;i&gt;awful&lt;/i&gt; to read somebody saying something unkind about an idea you hold. Should we send the complainers lots of hugs and kisses to console them?

News flash: there is no human right not to be offended. And your acceptance of religious privilege--the very thing that keeps atheists a marginalized and despised minority--is very ugly.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;you’re not going to gain members that way.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;You&#039;re demonstrably wrong. As the FFRF has pointed out, they&#039;ve already gained members as a result of that ad.

Try again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><b>Now, why would you BOTHER putting an ad in a magazine that was going to offend most of the readers?</b></p></blockquote>
<p>Because it contained important ideas that deserve to be published, and because (given the UUA&#8217;s supposed principles) there are no legitimate grounds for offense. That ad is only offensive to people who have bought into atheophobic bigotry. The FFRF <i>should</i> ignore bigots.</p>
<blockquote><p><b>Those quotes, however, *ARE* offensive to anyone with any amount of faith&#8230;.</b></p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, the poor darlings! It must be so <i>awful</i> to read somebody saying something unkind about an idea you hold. Should we send the complainers lots of hugs and kisses to console them?</p>
<p>News flash: there is no human right not to be offended. And your acceptance of religious privilege&#8211;the very thing that keeps atheists a marginalized and despised minority&#8211;is very ugly.</p>
<blockquote><p><b>you’re not going to gain members that way.</b></p></blockquote>
<p>You&#8217;re demonstrably wrong. As the FFRF has pointed out, they&#8217;ve already gained members as a result of that ad.</p>
<p>Try again.</p>
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