Comments on: What If I Took My Students on a Field Trip to Get Debaptized?

By: Siamang

Siamang — Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:46:38 +0000

See Richard.

I told you troll wouldn’t give a direct answer to a direct question!

By: Kelly

Kelly — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:34:35 +0000

I do have a 12 year old attending Owensboro Public Schools. It is a little intimidating to know I am such a minority here in this situation.

By: Jake K.

Jake K. — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:54:57 +0000

If any Christians insist that it would be different for an atheist to bring students to be debaptized (for whatever silly reason they make up to claim it’s, like, so totally different) ask them how they’d feel if a Muslim teacher brought students to a mosque, where half of them made shahada (a public declaration of faith that makes one officially Muslim)…

By: The Big Blue Frog

The Big Blue Frog — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:22:11 +0000

I had a conversation with a friend about ‘debaptism’ and what exactly that might entail. We finally agreed that sponging yourself down with a dirty sponge would suffice.

Great blog. I shall return.

By: Laura Lou

Laura Lou — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:40:36 +0000

I can see why people might not think this is really unconstitutional — the school trip with baptisms was voluntary. But it’s unconstitutional the same way voluntary prayer sessions are unconstitutional. The key here (reiterating what Richard said) is that the coach acted as a representative for the government because he is a teacher at a public school.

By: gribblethemunchkin

gribblethemunchkin — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:44:05 +0000

Note that on Satanism, although Levays group don’t believe in God or the devil as actual beings (more paradigms to be emulated, or not), they do have a significant mystical part to their religion. Kinda similar to some new age religions that use magic (wiccans, pagans, Hermetics, etc).

They are more occult than religious.

That said, there is plenty to admire ib their philosophy, even if the ruthless, selfish nature thing can be taken too far.

And crazy old Anton really was a bit of a character.

By: AxeGrrl

AxeGrrl — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:00:24 +0000

Siamang wrote:

anyone want to ask Jon if he would be totally cool as a Christian with any teacher rounding up a bunch of kids and bringing them to their mosque without parental notification? You know, just in case they wanted to commit to Islam?

Uhm, Jon….care to respond?

If you truly care about being (unfairly) labelled a ‘troll’, then you can very easily prove that you aren’t one by taking the time to respond to this essentially relevant question.

By: MikeTheInfidel

MikeTheInfidel — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:42:10 +0000

If you’re concerned enough to do so, I’d suggest contacting the ACLU, the Freedom From Religion Foundation, and Americans United for Separation of Church and State. See if they have any advice for what to do, how to approach the administration, etc.

Of course, if you don’t have any kids in these schools, you’ll likely not have any legal recourse, since (… somehow …) it doesn’t affect you at all. A parent of a student would likely have to bring up the grievance.

By: Kelly

Kelly — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 03:08:37 +0000

This really strikes me as I live in Ky and just had a big red flag thrown at me. Been here for 4 years and have never been around so much much religion in muy life. Owensboro, Ky public schools just posted the field trips slated for the year. On December 8 they will be going to Lewis Lane Baptist Church for an Advent Journey. Not being real familiar, I checked it out. What??? They will be learning the “real meaning” of Christmas and why Jesus died for our sins. Public school??? Does this warrant a confrontation? Pretty sure that is unconstitutional. Help.

By: denelian

denelian — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 22:07:15 +0000

and while i was writing that, 4 other people wrote better descriptions. le sigh.