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		<title>By: Nan Rosenberry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nan Rosenberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 17:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am looking for help with this exact problem.  My husband and I have raised our son as an atheist, yet he just came home from 1st grade saying he believes in god because otherwise he is going to the place where nothing good happens.  Explaining to him that is just fiction didn&#039;t help...he said he believes &quot;just in case.&quot;  I need a support group or books to help please! Where do I start?  Thanks!  Nan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am looking for help with this exact problem.  My husband and I have raised our son as an atheist, yet he just came home from 1st grade saying he believes in god because otherwise he is going to the place where nothing good happens.  Explaining to him that is just fiction didn&#8217;t help&#8230;he said he believes &#8220;just in case.&#8221;  I need a support group or books to help please! Where do I start?  Thanks!  Nan</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 05:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I hope you’re right, but that is not my impression. I grew up in “liberal” California, and in elementary school and up I witnessed shunning, taunting and harassment of kids over religious differences.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think this must be something that varies quite a bit. I also grew up in California, just outside of San Francisco, and I can&#039;t remember religion ever once coming up as a topic for discussion when I was in elementary school. It was such a non-issue that I was able, until I was 7 or 8, to remain completely unaware of the concept of a god. And that eventual knowledge did not come from my friends at school, but rather from television and books. I know that many of my friends and classmates must have come from religious homes, but it honestly never came up between us on the playground or during playdates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I hope you’re right, but that is not my impression. I grew up in “liberal” California, and in elementary school and up I witnessed shunning, taunting and harassment of kids over religious differences.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think this must be something that varies quite a bit. I also grew up in California, just outside of San Francisco, and I can&#8217;t remember religion ever once coming up as a topic for discussion when I was in elementary school. It was such a non-issue that I was able, until I was 7 or 8, to remain completely unaware of the concept of a god. And that eventual knowledge did not come from my friends at school, but rather from television and books. I know that many of my friends and classmates must have come from religious homes, but it honestly never came up between us on the playground or during playdates.</p>
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		<title>By: rekounas</title>
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		<dc:creator>rekounas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My son is 9 now and has a fair amount of friends that are brought up Catholic.  In fact most of my friends are either Catholic or Orthodox... my neighbour is an ex-Catholic priest but you would never know it by talking to him... sounds like a deist though.  I have digressed.  I ask my son not to bring up the subject unless he is asked. My wife will blurt out shit all the time when we have company over.  I get annoyed with her too when she does it.  Like one time she told catholic friends of our that we found crucifixes all over our house when we moved in and she told them that we got rid of them by placing them into the fireplace...  you are inviting a reaction at that point.  The only reaction she got was a &quot;YOU DID WHAT?&quot;  Never mentioned again.  Basically, I don&#039;t want him to shock people with it.  So, when he is asked, his response is that he believes in science.  Fair enough and straight to the point without going into a godless tirade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My son is 9 now and has a fair amount of friends that are brought up Catholic.  In fact most of my friends are either Catholic or Orthodox&#8230; my neighbour is an ex-Catholic priest but you would never know it by talking to him&#8230; sounds like a deist though.  I have digressed.  I ask my son not to bring up the subject unless he is asked. My wife will blurt out shit all the time when we have company over.  I get annoyed with her too when she does it.  Like one time she told catholic friends of our that we found crucifixes all over our house when we moved in and she told them that we got rid of them by placing them into the fireplace&#8230;  you are inviting a reaction at that point.  The only reaction she got was a &#8220;YOU DID WHAT?&#8221;  Never mentioned again.  Basically, I don&#8217;t want him to shock people with it.  So, when he is asked, his response is that he believes in science.  Fair enough and straight to the point without going into a godless tirade.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Wade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 21:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laura Lou,
&lt;blockquote&gt;
I really don’t think it’s most areas, is it?&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
 
I hope you&#039;re right, but that is not my impression.  I grew up in &quot;liberal&quot; California, and in elementary school and up I witnessed shunning, taunting and harassment of kids over religious differences. From that I learned to know when to keep my mouth shut. &quot;Liberal, free, laid-back, tolerant, polycultural&quot; California. You know, the home of Rick Warren, Ray Comfort and Proposition 8.

Such conflicts may blow over and be forgotten by really small children, but when it comes up again from the 5th grade up through high school, it&#039;s going to last and escalate. 

Certainly school yard bigots are more common in some parts of the country than in others, but it only takes two or three kids in a school to make life miserable for another school kid. The little soldiers of the &quot;Religion of Love&quot; will spread vicious rumors about the atheist kid that have nothing to do with religion, just to get more people hating their target. In junior and senior high schools, rumors are seldom questioned. They&#039;re just spread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura Lou,</p>
<blockquote><p>
I really don’t think it’s most areas, is it?</p></blockquote>
<p>I hope you&#8217;re right, but that is not my impression.  I grew up in &#8220;liberal&#8221; California, and in elementary school and up I witnessed shunning, taunting and harassment of kids over religious differences. From that I learned to know when to keep my mouth shut. &#8220;Liberal, free, laid-back, tolerant, polycultural&#8221; California. You know, the home of Rick Warren, Ray Comfort and Proposition 8.</p>
<p>Such conflicts may blow over and be forgotten by really small children, but when it comes up again from the 5th grade up through high school, it&#8217;s going to last and escalate. </p>
<p>Certainly school yard bigots are more common in some parts of the country than in others, but it only takes two or three kids in a school to make life miserable for another school kid. The little soldiers of the &#8220;Religion of Love&#8221; will spread vicious rumors about the atheist kid that have nothing to do with religion, just to get more people hating their target. In junior and senior high schools, rumors are seldom questioned. They&#8217;re just spread.</p>
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		<title>By: Libby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Libby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 17:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the ages have been overshot. I decided I was an atheist when I was 12, and I&#039;d been thinking seriously about religion and whether or not I believed it for the past year and a half. Kids can have some pretty deep religious discussions.

As for losing your friends, I think it really depends on the community and school. If I had been openly an atheist at my Catholic middle school, I wouldn&#039;t have had any friends. But at my Catholic high school on the other side of town, no one really cares, and a lot of my friends are in the atheist/agnostic spectrum. I&#039;ve had some great conversations. So I think it really depends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the ages have been overshot. I decided I was an atheist when I was 12, and I&#8217;d been thinking seriously about religion and whether or not I believed it for the past year and a half. Kids can have some pretty deep religious discussions.</p>
<p>As for losing your friends, I think it really depends on the community and school. If I had been openly an atheist at my Catholic middle school, I wouldn&#8217;t have had any friends. But at my Catholic high school on the other side of town, no one really cares, and a lot of my friends are in the atheist/agnostic spectrum. I&#8217;ve had some great conversations. So I think it really depends.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Lou</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 11:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard:
&lt;blockquote&gt;In most areas of this country, for a kid to reveal that they are an atheist would be extremely detrimental to their perfectly legitimate kid priorities. They would immediately not be having fun, not be liked, not feel accepted and not feel safe.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I really don&#039;t think it&#039;s most areas, is it? I think &quot;extremely detrimental&quot; is a little overstated. It&#039;s hard for me to judge since I grew up in Portland, OR, which is probably one of the most liberal/secular cities in the nation. Here&#039;s what Dale said about this:

&lt;blockquote&gt;This is exactly what I’ve heard from countless parents–the vast majority of the time, kids engage, they freak out, they move on.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s EXACTLY what happened to me. &quot;...What??? You don&#039;t believe in God? Why? Oh...&quot; And very soon after, it&#039;s forgotten or not mentioned or not acted upon again. I know the danger is there, and it&#039;s worse than mentioning your (i.e. your parents&#039;) political views. Religious fundamentalists often demonize atheist children and their families. You probably know if you live in a place where being an atheist seriously puts your safety at risk, right? I guess I see this as a special circumstance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard:</p>
<blockquote><p>In most areas of this country, for a kid to reveal that they are an atheist would be extremely detrimental to their perfectly legitimate kid priorities. They would immediately not be having fun, not be liked, not feel accepted and not feel safe.</p></blockquote>
<p>I really don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s most areas, is it? I think &#8220;extremely detrimental&#8221; is a little overstated. It&#8217;s hard for me to judge since I grew up in Portland, OR, which is probably one of the most liberal/secular cities in the nation. Here&#8217;s what Dale said about this:</p>
<blockquote><p>This is exactly what I’ve heard from countless parents–the vast majority of the time, kids engage, they freak out, they move on.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s EXACTLY what happened to me. &#8220;&#8230;What??? You don&#8217;t believe in God? Why? Oh&#8230;&#8221; And very soon after, it&#8217;s forgotten or not mentioned or not acted upon again. I know the danger is there, and it&#8217;s worse than mentioning your (i.e. your parents&#8217;) political views. Religious fundamentalists often demonize atheist children and their families. You probably know if you live in a place where being an atheist seriously puts your safety at risk, right? I guess I see this as a special circumstance.</p>
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		<title>By: Drunkenatheist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drunkenatheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 07:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, this post is just giving me more reasons to homeschool when I have kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, this post is just giving me more reasons to homeschool when I have kids.</p>
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		<title>By: muggle</title>
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		<dc:creator>muggle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 06:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, please, my daughter and her little friends always talked about this stuff, from pre-school on up.

When she came home one day and said mom will I perish I knew some little Christian kid had been at her because that&#039;s the only reason that particular word would have been picked.  Someone just learned a buybull verse in Sunday school.  I said who said that and she told me and I chuckled and explained that perish was another word for die.  We had just dealt with a death and she had come to understand that everyone dies so when I said you will and she will but most likely not until you&#039;re very old, she nodded and understood.

It&#039;s not violating anything church-state wise if it&#039;s just the kids talking privately and no one&#039;s doing anything like preaching or praying loudly.

And let me tell you something, when my daughter was growing up, her friends, mostly Christian, would die before they&#039;d let their parents find this out but they mostly didn&#039;t believe either.  The doubts they felt free to express to the Atheist kid and many flat out told her they thought it was silly.  

They were all astounded (and very impressed) that she could talk to me about anything at all, no limitations.  There were things, not always religion, they did not feel free to discuss with their parents.  What a shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, please, my daughter and her little friends always talked about this stuff, from pre-school on up.</p>
<p>When she came home one day and said mom will I perish I knew some little Christian kid had been at her because that&#8217;s the only reason that particular word would have been picked.  Someone just learned a buybull verse in Sunday school.  I said who said that and she told me and I chuckled and explained that perish was another word for die.  We had just dealt with a death and she had come to understand that everyone dies so when I said you will and she will but most likely not until you&#8217;re very old, she nodded and understood.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not violating anything church-state wise if it&#8217;s just the kids talking privately and no one&#8217;s doing anything like preaching or praying loudly.</p>
<p>And let me tell you something, when my daughter was growing up, her friends, mostly Christian, would die before they&#8217;d let their parents find this out but they mostly didn&#8217;t believe either.  The doubts they felt free to express to the Atheist kid and many flat out told her they thought it was silly.  </p>
<p>They were all astounded (and very impressed) that she could talk to me about anything at all, no limitations.  There were things, not always religion, they did not feel free to discuss with their parents.  What a shame.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracie F Gib</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracie F Gib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 06:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite often, I think, the term &quot;militant atheist&quot; means someone who is willing to allow their atheist views to be known to someone who disapproves. For example, the kindergarten teacher asks each pupil where their family goes to church. One little girl states that her family does not ever go to any church. The next day, the teacher feels justified in announcing in the teachers&#039; lounge that the little girls&#039; parents are militant atheists. That&#039;s how that works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite often, I think, the term &#8220;militant atheist&#8221; means someone who is willing to allow their atheist views to be known to someone who disapproves. For example, the kindergarten teacher asks each pupil where their family goes to church. One little girl states that her family does not ever go to any church. The next day, the teacher feels justified in announcing in the teachers&#8217; lounge that the little girls&#8217; parents are militant atheists. That&#8217;s how that works.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 06:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be fair, talking about politics too much can get all your friends to hate you, too...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair, talking about politics too much can get all your friends to hate you, too&#8230;</p>
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