Comments on: Idaho Gets Its Third Atheist Billboard!

By: Staceyjw

Staceyjw — Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:59:35 +0000

Iowa is starting to look like a cooler place than I would have thought- with gay marriage and all. Low cost of living too.
Staceyjw

By: Carlie

Carlie — Fri, 18 Sep 2009 12:33:55 +0000

I like most of the ads I’ve seen, but I would rather they say “a god”, lowercase, rather than “God”. Makes it apply to more religions than the big 3, and lessens the ability of said groups to complain that they’re being specifically targeted. Also is a backhanded way to remind them that their god isn’t the only one.

By: Emily

Emily — Fri, 18 Sep 2009 03:31:47 +0000

I went to school at the University of Idaho which is located in Moscow. It always was a small oasis of more liberal though than the vast majority of the state (but then, being more liberal than the majority of Idaho is about as difficult as being slightly more socially competent than Kanye West). I’m sorry that I wasn’t there when the signs were up! I would liked to have seen some of the local religious zealouts’ heads burst into flame!

By: Siamang

Siamang — Thu, 17 Sep 2009 22:56:49 +0000

To be clearer, Richard… I think that while the ad does make that case, there’s also a take-away-message of overall popularity of the atheist position… it’s not just for the fringes anymore.

Which is something I like about the ad. But I will admit that while it’s a message people are likely to take away, it’s not a logical argument for atheism.

By: martymankins

martymankins — Thu, 17 Sep 2009 22:34:14 +0000

Amazing that the state north of here is more open about non-believers.

By: Richard Wade

Richard Wade — Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:09:44 +0000

Luthor,
You’re right, we’re all doing our good or bad behavior without any gods. Which is why I wish the ad said,
“Millions are good without believing in God.”

Siamang,

I don’t think that the millions ad is necessarily an illogical argument appealing to numbers. That would depend on what it is trying to argue. If it was implying that millions of people are being good without believing in God and so therefore God does not exist, that would be a fallacious appeal to numbers. That would be just as fallacious as the opposite one we so often hear, that millions believe therefore God exists.

I think the ad is arguing against the popular belief that no one can be good without believing in a god, and so claiming that millions of godless people are good is simply a refutation of that belief. It is not a fallacious argument. It needs demonstrable evidence for that claim, which we are providing more of every day, in the form of A. Hey, we’re here in the millions. and B. Look at our behavior; we’re nice folks.

All this would be expressed clearly by simply having the ad say,

“Millions are good without believing in God.”

By: Arkonbey

Arkonbey — Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:37:03 +0000

I wonder: Would theists would find it less offensive if the ads said “A god” rather than “God”?

@Luthor: absolutely true. What the ads are aimed at, of course, are those who believe that you cannot be a moral person without the belief in (most often the Christian) god.

By: Luther

Luther — Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:27:46 +0000

Of course reality is:

Billions are good without God

Billions are bad without God

People can believe what they will, but, bad or good they all are without God, gods, and other mythical beings and forces.

By: Siamang

Siamang — Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:33:45 +0000

Why make “God” so large and prominent in an atheist ad?

Why make INDIGESTION so big in a Pepto-Bismol ad?

By: Siamang

Siamang — Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:32:58 +0000

I like the “millions” one as well, for very advertising-y reasons.

One is that the word “millions” is connected subconsciously with wealth, which gives people good feelings.

The other is the appeal to the numbers. It’s kind of like 50,000,000 Elvis Fans Can’t Be Wrong. Sure, it’s an illogical argument, as there are more religious people, and non Elvis-fans. But still, irrational advertising is often what gets your message remembered. “You’ll wonder where the yellow went/when you brush your teeth with Pep-So-Dent.” That ain’t logical!