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	<title>Comments on: Atheists Stage a &#8220;Coming Out&#8221; March in Poland</title>
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		<title>By: Kelvin18</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/09/22/atheists-stage-a-coming-out-march-in-poland/#comment-379459</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelvin18</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 01:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, my gratitude is sincere: someone went out of their way to help me. ,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, my gratitude is sincere: someone went out of their way to help me. ,</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 10:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chris:

I think Warsaw or Krakow is your best bet. Krakow is a university city and tends to be more liberal, though Warsaw is more international and cosmopolitan. Either way, for the most part I don&#039;t think you would have any problems in either city, because while some extremists will defend the Church to the death, the average person will not give you any trouble.

In addition, Krakow is a very young city thanks to the student population, and young people in Poland especially tend to be far more open-minded when compared to the older generation.

Feel free to contact me if you need any advice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chris:</p>
<p>I think Warsaw or Krakow is your best bet. Krakow is a university city and tends to be more liberal, though Warsaw is more international and cosmopolitan. Either way, for the most part I don&#8217;t think you would have any problems in either city, because while some extremists will defend the Church to the death, the average person will not give you any trouble.</p>
<p>In addition, Krakow is a very young city thanks to the student population, and young people in Poland especially tend to be far more open-minded when compared to the older generation.</p>
<p>Feel free to contact me if you need any advice.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeronimas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeronimas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:D  I  will organize festival for people who do not like tomatoes to show that they are ok and should not be descriminated against people who love them. You are really very funny :D I do not think anybody cares about you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />   I  will organize festival for people who do not like tomatoes to show that they are ok and should not be descriminated against people who love them. You are really very funny <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  I do not think anybody cares about you.</p>
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		<title>By: EduardoAteo</title>
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		<dc:creator>EduardoAteo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here in Spain,as in Mexico and Poland,we are going to have something similar called Atheism Day,wich is the Part Two of the March we did last year with our mexican friends(the same who left a comment in september 24th).In Spain there´s still a lot of christian fanatics,because only forty years ago we had a catholic and dictatorial government.All the information about this is here:http://www.cyberateos.org/foro/viewforum.php?f=38.I´m sorry,but all the information is in Spanish.
And congratulations to the blog´s owner.I think it´s a very good blog.
Bye!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in Spain,as in Mexico and Poland,we are going to have something similar called Atheism Day,wich is the Part Two of the March we did last year with our mexican friends(the same who left a comment in september 24th).In Spain there´s still a lot of christian fanatics,because only forty years ago we had a catholic and dictatorial government.All the information about this is here:<a href="http://www.cyberateos.org/foro/viewforum.php?f=38.I´m" rel="nofollow">http://www.cyberateos.org/foro/viewforum.php?f=38.I´m</a> sorry,but all the information is in Spanish.<br />
And congratulations to the blog´s owner.I think it´s a very good blog.<br />
Bye!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 06:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Firstly, I am very moved (proud) of these brave and inspiring people, especially the organizers whom will surely be the object of any religious &#039;Reich&#039; backlash. History always remembers those early pioneers that stood tall in times and under circumstances that required great courage and dedication to bring forth the change that benefits future generations to come. Kudos to these heroes.

I have gathered quite a bit about Polish religious positioning by just reading these comments upon this page from people I tend to trust more than any others (mentally stable atheists!). 

The staunch conservative (old world) Catholicism in Poland seems to be much stronger, more lingering than I would have thought. My perceptions were that Europe was much more indifferent to religion than what these beneficial postings here are educating me of.

For instance, many enrolling in our intern programs from Prague, Bratislava, Kiev, etc., openly (almost proudly) state their atheism.

My company is expanding our production momentum (mainstream film, studio, technologies, acting schools, etc.) into many European countries (including Poland) next year and we&#039;re searching/selecting the given cities that are best, strategically suited to us. 

This would entail more liberal, socially modern and tolerant persuasions that would actually support an American film company looking to propel the entertainment industry in such cities. Our themes will be universal (nothing really controversial) and feature diverse, yet &quot;common&quot; mainstream topics, and we&#039;d hope for the social freedom to promote said range of themes.

The feeling I get though, is that we should stay as far away from those rural areas as possible and concentrate only upon the major metropolitan areas; meaning, Warsaw and nowhere else. I would never want to be asked or pressured into declarations of my religious standing, etc. (I never deny my atheism and find religious intoxication repugnant.)

Ideally, I&#039;d even like to offer some film footage (thus productive exposure) to this March and would like to feel safe while doing so, and not have the (exaggeration intended) Holy Polish Catholic Inquisition putting us to stakes by night&#039;s end for our role in this.

Perhaps someone (with Polish background) could elaborate more towards what differences (social intolerance) can be observed between select cities in Poland. As it stands, given what I&#039;m taking in, its Warsaw or nothing.

Once again, hats off to those marchers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firstly, I am very moved (proud) of these brave and inspiring people, especially the organizers whom will surely be the object of any religious &#8216;Reich&#8217; backlash. History always remembers those early pioneers that stood tall in times and under circumstances that required great courage and dedication to bring forth the change that benefits future generations to come. Kudos to these heroes.</p>
<p>I have gathered quite a bit about Polish religious positioning by just reading these comments upon this page from people I tend to trust more than any others (mentally stable atheists!). </p>
<p>The staunch conservative (old world) Catholicism in Poland seems to be much stronger, more lingering than I would have thought. My perceptions were that Europe was much more indifferent to religion than what these beneficial postings here are educating me of.</p>
<p>For instance, many enrolling in our intern programs from Prague, Bratislava, Kiev, etc., openly (almost proudly) state their atheism.</p>
<p>My company is expanding our production momentum (mainstream film, studio, technologies, acting schools, etc.) into many European countries (including Poland) next year and we&#8217;re searching/selecting the given cities that are best, strategically suited to us. </p>
<p>This would entail more liberal, socially modern and tolerant persuasions that would actually support an American film company looking to propel the entertainment industry in such cities. Our themes will be universal (nothing really controversial) and feature diverse, yet &#8220;common&#8221; mainstream topics, and we&#8217;d hope for the social freedom to promote said range of themes.</p>
<p>The feeling I get though, is that we should stay as far away from those rural areas as possible and concentrate only upon the major metropolitan areas; meaning, Warsaw and nowhere else. I would never want to be asked or pressured into declarations of my religious standing, etc. (I never deny my atheism and find religious intoxication repugnant.)</p>
<p>Ideally, I&#8217;d even like to offer some film footage (thus productive exposure) to this March and would like to feel safe while doing so, and not have the (exaggeration intended) Holy Polish Catholic Inquisition putting us to stakes by night&#8217;s end for our role in this.</p>
<p>Perhaps someone (with Polish background) could elaborate more towards what differences (social intolerance) can be observed between select cities in Poland. As it stands, given what I&#8217;m taking in, its Warsaw or nothing.</p>
<p>Once again, hats off to those marchers.</p>
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		<title>By: Ramas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ramas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 01:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Down here in Mexico City we had one coming out march last year. This year we&#039;ll have another, but its not a coming out one again.
This time we&#039;ll be asking for effective separation of church and state and the stop of discrimination against non believers.
 
You may visit the official site of the march and take note: http://www.ateosmexicanos.com/marcha2009 

Down here is the same as in Poland, the catholic church and the religious right get in politics all the time, making proclamations on the media and propiciating ignorance and misinformation about skepticism, critical thinking and the scientific worldview. 
Hope you can take a look at our publicity, videos and images, I know all of it is in spanish but still you can take notice and look around, we&#039;ll have pictures and info after the march itself.
Peace!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Down here in Mexico City we had one coming out march last year. This year we&#8217;ll have another, but its not a coming out one again.<br />
This time we&#8217;ll be asking for effective separation of church and state and the stop of discrimination against non believers.</p>
<p>You may visit the official site of the march and take note: <a href="http://www.ateosmexicanos.com/marcha2009" rel="nofollow">http://www.ateosmexicanos.com/marcha2009</a> </p>
<p>Down here is the same as in Poland, the catholic church and the religious right get in politics all the time, making proclamations on the media and propiciating ignorance and misinformation about skepticism, critical thinking and the scientific worldview.<br />
Hope you can take a look at our publicity, videos and images, I know all of it is in spanish but still you can take notice and look around, we&#8217;ll have pictures and info after the march itself.<br />
Peace!</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vladr, here you go: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/photos/fakeplasticgirl/sets/72157618323217277/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tolerance March 2009&lt;/a&gt;

(these are my photos from the 2009 tolerance march in Krakow, featuring plenty of neo-Nazis).

One point to add is that a lot of Poles, especially those now in their 20s, are Catholic only by name. They are born Catholic and go through the sacraments and so on, and probably have a church wedding to please their parents, but likely only go to church on the major holidays. However, the paradox is that most of these people will still defend the church, because as someone above mentioned, to not be a proud Catholic is to disrespect the role of JPII in bringing down communism throughout Central and Eastern Europe.

Again, thank you Hemant for posting this, and I&#039;ll try to keep everyone updated from the march itself!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vladr, here you go: <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/fakeplasticgirl/sets/72157618323217277/" rel="nofollow">Tolerance March 2009</a></p>
<p>(these are my photos from the 2009 tolerance march in Krakow, featuring plenty of neo-Nazis).</p>
<p>One point to add is that a lot of Poles, especially those now in their 20s, are Catholic only by name. They are born Catholic and go through the sacraments and so on, and probably have a church wedding to please their parents, but likely only go to church on the major holidays. However, the paradox is that most of these people will still defend the church, because as someone above mentioned, to not be a proud Catholic is to disrespect the role of JPII in bringing down communism throughout Central and Eastern Europe.</p>
<p>Again, thank you Hemant for posting this, and I&#8217;ll try to keep everyone updated from the march itself!</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Andreas Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Andreas Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 00:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I saw that &quot;MAIA&quot; image up there for the first time, I immediately asked myself, &quot;Is that supposed to be some sort of pun on Maya the Bee?&quot;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_the_Bee</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I saw that &#8220;MAIA&#8221; image up there for the first time, I immediately asked myself, &#8220;Is that supposed to be some sort of pun on Maya the Bee?&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_the_Bee" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_the_Bee</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andrzej</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrzej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@FreeThoughtCrime: It&#039;s true, that most Poles will (probably) laugh at creationism, but don&#039;t you forget that just two years ago we a creationist was head of the Ministry of Education.

BTW, Cracow has several university-level institutions and a large  population of students, yet the city is considered far more conservative, than the capital, Warsaw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@FreeThoughtCrime: It&#8217;s true, that most Poles will (probably) laugh at creationism, but don&#8217;t you forget that just two years ago we a creationist was head of the Ministry of Education.</p>
<p>BTW, Cracow has several university-level institutions and a large  population of students, yet the city is considered far more conservative, than the capital, Warsaw.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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