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	<title>Comments on: Charlotte Music Festival Gives Proceeds to Dawkins Foundation&#8230; Complaints Ensue</title>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The last episode of Skepticality was all about this, prior to the event.  http://www.skepticality.com/p_listentopast.php
Kaylya, it answers your question about the organizer&#039;s personal switch to atheism and learning more about science.  

Charlotte Atheists and Agnostics also did our first-ever information booth at the festival as part of our community outreach. 
http://charlotteatheists.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last episode of Skepticality was all about this, prior to the event.  <a href="http://www.skepticality.com/p_listentopast.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.skepticality.com/p_listentopast.php</a><br />
Kaylya, it answers your question about the organizer&#8217;s personal switch to atheism and learning more about science.  </p>
<p>Charlotte Atheists and Agnostics also did our first-ever information booth at the festival as part of our community outreach.<br />
<a href="http://charlotteatheists.com/" rel="nofollow">http://charlotteatheists.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christians are afraid of scientific facts.  eek.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christians are afraid of scientific facts.  eek.</p>
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		<title>By: muggle</title>
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		<dc:creator>muggle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know.  Do they accept religious sponsors?

Even if they don&#039;t, how is this organization an Atheist?  Because its founder is so openly Atheist?  Seems the James Randi Educational Foundation suggested would have the same obstacle.

But I have a bigger question.  If this is non-profit and the proceeds go to charity, why not just lower the ticket prices to break even?  I hate, hate, hate when they do that.  A telethon or something that is promoted as being for a charity sure, but to have a general pop festival or something else that is of general interest and then to tack on the money goes to charity is so you can&#039;t enjoy this music unless you support this cause so yes I guess I do disagree with those avoiding but I would even for a more benign purpose.  You want to give to the people, do without the &quot;proceeds&quot;, break even and make the event more accessible to more people by lowering the ticket price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know.  Do they accept religious sponsors?</p>
<p>Even if they don&#8217;t, how is this organization an Atheist?  Because its founder is so openly Atheist?  Seems the James Randi Educational Foundation suggested would have the same obstacle.</p>
<p>But I have a bigger question.  If this is non-profit and the proceeds go to charity, why not just lower the ticket prices to break even?  I hate, hate, hate when they do that.  A telethon or something that is promoted as being for a charity sure, but to have a general pop festival or something else that is of general interest and then to tack on the money goes to charity is so you can&#8217;t enjoy this music unless you support this cause so yes I guess I do disagree with those avoiding but I would even for a more benign purpose.  You want to give to the people, do without the &#8220;proceeds&#8221;, break even and make the event more accessible to more people by lowering the ticket price.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaylya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaylya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought I&#039;d check out what charity they supported last year.

World Vision Sponsor a Child

That makes me giggle. They went from explicitly Christian World Vision to explicitly Atheist Dawkins Foundation in one year?

World Vision is a lot closer to that &quot;warm and fuzzy&quot; area than the Dawkins Foundation though, as while they are very much a Christian charity in terms of their values (and who they&#039;ll take on as volunteers) they are also very much committed to global development with minimal proselytizing. I wouldn&#039;t explicitly donate to them, at the same time I wouldn&#039;t avoid an event because it might support them a little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought I&#8217;d check out what charity they supported last year.</p>
<p>World Vision Sponsor a Child</p>
<p>That makes me giggle. They went from explicitly Christian World Vision to explicitly Atheist Dawkins Foundation in one year?</p>
<p>World Vision is a lot closer to that &#8220;warm and fuzzy&#8221; area than the Dawkins Foundation though, as while they are very much a Christian charity in terms of their values (and who they&#8217;ll take on as volunteers) they are also very much committed to global development with minimal proselytizing. I wouldn&#8217;t explicitly donate to them, at the same time I wouldn&#8217;t avoid an event because it might support them a little.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaylya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaylya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what?

I don&#039;t really think it&#039;s the place for a generic music festival to support a more &quot;extreme&quot; charity, and I think the Dawkins foundation qualifies. It may be that the money was earmarked for perfectly wonderful minimally controversial educational programs, but there&#039;s still the name behind the foundation and the rest of it&#039;s mission, which does include promoting atheism. They should choose a more broadly based organization to support. A local museum (the &quot;Charlotte Nature Museum&quot; seems like a likely candidate) or one of the other science education charities mentioned would have been great.

There&#039;s a reason most broadly based events that want to support a charity chose something warm and fuzzy that 90% of people can get behind as at least not being something they definitely don&#039;t want their money to go to. If you want to have an Atheist or Evolution music festival and support the Dawkins foundation, go right ahead, but it&#039;s not an appropriate charity for something wanting to sell itself to a wide audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really think it&#8217;s the place for a generic music festival to support a more &#8220;extreme&#8221; charity, and I think the Dawkins foundation qualifies. It may be that the money was earmarked for perfectly wonderful minimally controversial educational programs, but there&#8217;s still the name behind the foundation and the rest of it&#8217;s mission, which does include promoting atheism. They should choose a more broadly based organization to support. A local museum (the &#8220;Charlotte Nature Museum&#8221; seems like a likely candidate) or one of the other science education charities mentioned would have been great.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a reason most broadly based events that want to support a charity chose something warm and fuzzy that 90% of people can get behind as at least not being something they definitely don&#8217;t want their money to go to. If you want to have an Atheist or Evolution music festival and support the Dawkins foundation, go right ahead, but it&#8217;s not an appropriate charity for something wanting to sell itself to a wide audience.</p>
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		<title>By: Doubting Foo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doubting Foo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure there are plenty of bands who would be willing to back this type of thing in the future.  They Might Be Giants just released an album about science.  Some bands wouldn&#039;t mind the publicity, either.  So, hopefully next year it will be even bigger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure there are plenty of bands who would be willing to back this type of thing in the future.  They Might Be Giants just released an album about science.  Some bands wouldn&#8217;t mind the publicity, either.  So, hopefully next year it will be even bigger.</p>
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		<title>By: Hemant Mehta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hemant Mehta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to Pedro and BZ for pointing out my error.  I&#039;ve fixed it and added an update to the top of the posting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to Pedro and BZ for pointing out my error.  I&#8217;ve fixed it and added an update to the top of the posting.</p>
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		<title>By: 1minion</title>
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		<dc:creator>1minion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So they all assume a push for science education is atheist propaganda? Yeesh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So they all assume a push for science education is atheist propaganda? Yeesh.</p>
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		<title>By: justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you bring Dawkins&#039; name up, there will be some flack. How could it be any other way?

I think he might have picked the National Center for Science Education if he wanted to avoid any controversy. Or the James Randi Educational Foundation. Or any number of other, less provocatively titled organizations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you bring Dawkins&#8217; name up, there will be some flack. How could it be any other way?</p>
<p>I think he might have picked the National Center for Science Education if he wanted to avoid any controversy. Or the James Randi Educational Foundation. Or any number of other, less provocatively titled organizations.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the bands wanted to play for free I&#039;m sure they would have been welcome to!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the bands wanted to play for free I&#8217;m sure they would have been welcome to!</p>
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