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		<title>By: muggle</title>
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		<dc:creator>muggle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting, Mr. Corbett.

The more I read about this case, the more I&#039;m convinced this kid had an agenda.  And the RR is handing it to him on a silver platter.

Maybe he should get together with the Miss America contestant.  Two of a kind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting, Mr. Corbett.</p>
<p>The more I read about this case, the more I&#8217;m convinced this kid had an agenda.  And the RR is handing it to him on a silver platter.</p>
<p>Maybe he should get together with the Miss America contestant.  Two of a kind.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Wade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;“We need to pray for him because he is under attack for his faith,”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;Is&lt;/strong&gt; under attack? The more time goes by, the more contrived and phony this &quot;ongoing martyrdom&quot; will appear.  This is what the Republicans are reduced to for fundraising speakers? Professional victims? 

Dig another grave next to the Whig Party. 

Since young Mr. Farnan chose to file a lawsuit when he could have resolved it like a man by talking directly with Mr. Corbett, I expect we will see more cooked-up &quot;victimization&quot; from him as a cross-bearer for hire. 

Better not talk to him; he&#039;ll sue you.  The phrase will be changed to &quot;We need to &lt;b&gt;pay&lt;/b&gt; for him because he is under attack for his faith.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“We need to pray for him because he is under attack for his faith,”</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Is</strong> under attack? The more time goes by, the more contrived and phony this &#8220;ongoing martyrdom&#8221; will appear.  This is what the Republicans are reduced to for fundraising speakers? Professional victims? </p>
<p>Dig another grave next to the Whig Party. </p>
<p>Since young Mr. Farnan chose to file a lawsuit when he could have resolved it like a man by talking directly with Mr. Corbett, I expect we will see more cooked-up &#8220;victimization&#8221; from him as a cross-bearer for hire. </p>
<p>Better not talk to him; he&#8217;ll sue you.  The phrase will be changed to &#8220;We need to <b>pay</b> for him because he is under attack for his faith.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ckitching</title>
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		<dc:creator>ckitching</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What “rights” does he want that he doesn’t already have?&lt;/blockquote&gt;  Why, the right to tell other people what to believe, and the right to punish other people for believing the wrong things.  I.E. the right to establish a fundamentalist Christian theocracy.

It&#039;s sort of funny that the people who often whine and complain most about concentration of power in government are also the people who would want to further concentrate it by merging church and government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What “rights” does he want that he doesn’t already have?</p></blockquote>
<p>  Why, the right to tell other people what to believe, and the right to punish other people for believing the wrong things.  I.E. the right to establish a fundamentalist Christian theocracy.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s sort of funny that the people who often whine and complain most about concentration of power in government are also the people who would want to further concentrate it by merging church and government.</p>
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		<title>By: Corey Mondello</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corey Mondello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 10:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the bible, it tells them that they will ALWAYS been treated badly for their beliefs....and to suffer that, to survive that, is your duty and your honor to God.

This is why I loved an explanation I heard, but cannot remember who I heard it from, maybe Marianne Williamson. 

This explained how many Christians focus on the death of Christ, his suffering, the hanging on the cross, when the &quot;message&quot; that is supposed to be taken away from the whole story is, that he rose, he didn&#039;t die. He conquered.

It is not supposed to be a sad story, so stop focusing on the cross bit.

I also love this little thing I heard, the first part is always the same, the second you can change to fit whatever is appropriate at the time;

&quot;Get off the Cross; We need the Wood to....&quot;

I have placed the following most recently:

&quot;To build homes for those still homeless after the Katrina disaster&quot;

This brings together four points to my statement, pointing out;  (1)Martyrs, (2) Hypocrites , (3) Lies, and, (4) My Personal  good feeling Inside when I insult any fundamentalist:

1) The forever &quot;suffering&quot; many Christians are fond of;

2) George W. Bush&#039;s &quot;Compassionate Conservative&quot; Christianity;

3) America being a &quot;Christian Nation&quot;  

4) Saying anything to offend a Christian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the bible, it tells them that they will ALWAYS been treated badly for their beliefs&#8230;.and to suffer that, to survive that, is your duty and your honor to God.</p>
<p>This is why I loved an explanation I heard, but cannot remember who I heard it from, maybe Marianne Williamson. </p>
<p>This explained how many Christians focus on the death of Christ, his suffering, the hanging on the cross, when the &#8220;message&#8221; that is supposed to be taken away from the whole story is, that he rose, he didn&#8217;t die. He conquered.</p>
<p>It is not supposed to be a sad story, so stop focusing on the cross bit.</p>
<p>I also love this little thing I heard, the first part is always the same, the second you can change to fit whatever is appropriate at the time;</p>
<p>&#8220;Get off the Cross; We need the Wood to&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have placed the following most recently:</p>
<p>&#8220;To build homes for those still homeless after the Katrina disaster&#8221;</p>
<p>This brings together four points to my statement, pointing out;  (1)Martyrs, (2) Hypocrites , (3) Lies, and, (4) My Personal  good feeling Inside when I insult any fundamentalist:</p>
<p>1) The forever &#8220;suffering&#8221; many Christians are fond of;</p>
<p>2) George W. Bush&#8217;s &#8220;Compassionate Conservative&#8221; Christianity;</p>
<p>3) America being a &#8220;Christian Nation&#8221;  </p>
<p>4) Saying anything to offend a Christian.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh Kramer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh Kramer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 07:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anyone wants to know the legal reasoning (particularly the interestingly named &quot;Lemon Test&quot;) why only one of the 22 accusations against James Corbett was held to be valid, they can check it here: http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-8947-LA-Atheism-Examiner~y2009m5d4-Orange-County-teachers-antiCreationism-remark-violated-law

You&#039;ll also find a link there to the judge&#039;s actual ruling (it&#039;s in the public record). In my opinion, Chad Farnan and his sponsors filed a pretty meritless case because they had an agenda other than resolving a problem between teacher and student. It should never have been brought to court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone wants to know the legal reasoning (particularly the interestingly named &#8220;Lemon Test&#8221;) why only one of the 22 accusations against James Corbett was held to be valid, they can check it here: <a href="http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-8947-LA-Atheism-Examiner~y2009m5d4-Orange-County-teachers-antiCreationism-remark-violated-law" rel="nofollow">http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-8947-LA-Atheism-Examiner~y2009m5d4-Orange-County-teachers-antiCreationism-remark-violated-law</a></p>
<p>You&#8217;ll also find a link there to the judge&#8217;s actual ruling (it&#8217;s in the public record). In my opinion, Chad Farnan and his sponsors filed a pretty meritless case because they had an agenda other than resolving a problem between teacher and student. It should never have been brought to court.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 06:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be willing to bet that this guy ends up going to one of those ultra-conservative Christian colleges where his religion will not be challenged, he won&#039;t have to interact with students of other religious views, and he&#039;ll be safely sheltered from reality for four more years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be willing to bet that this guy ends up going to one of those ultra-conservative Christian colleges where his religion will not be challenged, he won&#8217;t have to interact with students of other religious views, and he&#8217;ll be safely sheltered from reality for four more years.</p>
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		<title>By: pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 03:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James Corbett Says: &quot;In short, Chad may have to pay for the District’s defense, I owe nothing&quot;

Nice one Jim ,glad to hear it.It sure would stink to high heaven if humans who been on this earth way longer than faith beliefs have ever been,need to always bow down to them.

bigjohn756 Says:&quot;Since when do Christians follow the Golden Rule? I know of very few who do.&quot;

Ohh its a very differnt strange type of golden rule bigjohn,and seems to go something like .I will do as i please onto others,but should they choose do as they please unto me i`ll quickly squeal O woe is me im being persecuted</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James Corbett Says: &#8220;In short, Chad may have to pay for the District’s defense, I owe nothing&#8221;</p>
<p>Nice one Jim ,glad to hear it.It sure would stink to high heaven if humans who been on this earth way longer than faith beliefs have ever been,need to always bow down to them.</p>
<p>bigjohn756 Says:&#8221;Since when do Christians follow the Golden Rule? I know of very few who do.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ohh its a very differnt strange type of golden rule bigjohn,and seems to go something like .I will do as i please onto others,but should they choose do as they please unto me i`ll quickly squeal O woe is me im being persecuted</p>
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		<title>By: bigjohn756</title>
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		<dc:creator>bigjohn756</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 02:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since when do Christians follow the Golden Rule? I know of very few who do. Most of them do not even know how it applies to everyday life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since when do Christians follow the Golden Rule? I know of very few who do. Most of them do not even know how it applies to everyday life.</p>
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		<title>By: llewelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>llewelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 01:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GO GET&#039;EM, KID!! You can be the next great Televangelist for Christ! It&#039;s your calling! God is on your side! God wants you to fleece the flock and spend it all on hookers and blow!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GO GET&#8217;EM, KID!! You can be the next great Televangelist for Christ! It&#8217;s your calling! God is on your side! God wants you to fleece the flock and spend it all on hookers and blow!</p>
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		<title>By: James Corbett</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Corbett</dc:creator>
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		<description>The judge did NOT side with Chad.  On 21 of 22 alleged violations, he sided with me writing that the comments were clearly related to the curriculum and, therefore not a violation.  The most often repeated phrase, &quot;Jesus Glasses&quot; referred to peasants during Joseph II&#039;s reign in Austria.  

Judge Selna found for the District on all counts.  Currently, the District is deciding about pursuing Chad for all their legal expenses in defense of this suit.

The 22ed comment related to the teaching of a science teacher in our District who taught &quot;young earth creationism.&quot;  I referred to his teaching as &quot;religious superstitious nonsense.&quot;  It was.  The judge ruled on that comment that no &quot;reasonable&quot; person could have known that such a phrase was a violation of the establishment clause, so he levied no penalty against me.  In short, Chad may have to pay for the District&#039;s defense, I owe nothing.  All this could have been avoided if Chad, who admitted he never did the required homework, had ever bothered to let me or anybody else know that he was offended.  I give all parents my home phone and home email. The first I heard from the Farnans was when the arrived with reporters in two to drop the suit on the principal&#039;s desk.  Since then Chad has been making the rounds of right wing media outlets to characterize the judge&#039;s decision.

How anybody can characterize that outcome as a &quot;win&quot; for Chad amazes me.

Jim Corbett</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The judge did NOT side with Chad.  On 21 of 22 alleged violations, he sided with me writing that the comments were clearly related to the curriculum and, therefore not a violation.  The most often repeated phrase, &#8220;Jesus Glasses&#8221; referred to peasants during Joseph II&#8217;s reign in Austria.  </p>
<p>Judge Selna found for the District on all counts.  Currently, the District is deciding about pursuing Chad for all their legal expenses in defense of this suit.</p>
<p>The 22ed comment related to the teaching of a science teacher in our District who taught &#8220;young earth creationism.&#8221;  I referred to his teaching as &#8220;religious superstitious nonsense.&#8221;  It was.  The judge ruled on that comment that no &#8220;reasonable&#8221; person could have known that such a phrase was a violation of the establishment clause, so he levied no penalty against me.  In short, Chad may have to pay for the District&#8217;s defense, I owe nothing.  All this could have been avoided if Chad, who admitted he never did the required homework, had ever bothered to let me or anybody else know that he was offended.  I give all parents my home phone and home email. The first I heard from the Farnans was when the arrived with reporters in two to drop the suit on the principal&#8217;s desk.  Since then Chad has been making the rounds of right wing media outlets to characterize the judge&#8217;s decision.</p>
<p>How anybody can characterize that outcome as a &#8220;win&#8221; for Chad amazes me.</p>
<p>Jim Corbett</p>
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