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	<title>Comments on: Animal Sacrifices Before the 2010 World Cup?</title>
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		<title>By: ManicParroT</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/10/27/animal-sacrifices-before-the-2010-world-cup/#comment-395653</link>
		<dc:creator>ManicParroT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 05:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;…I don’t think a sacrificed cow will be eaten. If it was to be eaten, then it wouldn’t be a sacrifice. I don’t know anything about South African cultures, but aren’t sacrifices usually burned?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Burnt sacrifices are from the bible - Leviticus etc. 

South African sacrifices are always eaten. People can&#039;t afford to throw away hundreds of dollars of perfectly good meat.

I&#039;m an atheist (and I think religion gets too much of a look in in our public life in South Africa), but I&#039;m tempted to support this, if only because I&#039;ve heard so many white people moaning about how it&#039;s &quot;barbarous&quot; and &quot;savage&quot; to kill a cow.

It&#039;s worth noting that absolutely nothing has been settled. No World Cup officials have agreed to this, or even made a statement about it. It&#039;s just some traditional types, and I suspect they&#039;re basically trolling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>…I don’t think a sacrificed cow will be eaten. If it was to be eaten, then it wouldn’t be a sacrifice. I don’t know anything about South African cultures, but aren’t sacrifices usually burned?</p></blockquote>
<p>Burnt sacrifices are from the bible &#8211; Leviticus etc. </p>
<p>South African sacrifices are always eaten. People can&#8217;t afford to throw away hundreds of dollars of perfectly good meat.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m an atheist (and I think religion gets too much of a look in in our public life in South Africa), but I&#8217;m tempted to support this, if only because I&#8217;ve heard so many white people moaning about how it&#8217;s &#8220;barbarous&#8221; and &#8220;savage&#8221; to kill a cow.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s worth noting that absolutely nothing has been settled. No World Cup officials have agreed to this, or even made a statement about it. It&#8217;s just some traditional types, and I suspect they&#8217;re basically trolling.</p>
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		<title>By: Nessie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nessie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The concept of the ritual itself isn’t really that different from the Christian rituals you’d have to put up with anywhere else; the real tragedy here is that the sacrificed animals’ corpses will probably be wasted.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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…I don’t think a sacrificed cow will be eaten. If it was to be eaten, then it wouldn’t be a sacrifice. I don’t know anything about South African cultures, but aren’t sacrifices usually burned?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh no, that&#039;s not something to be worried about - it will definitely be eaten.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The concept of the ritual itself isn’t really that different from the Christian rituals you’d have to put up with anywhere else; the real tragedy here is that the sacrificed animals’ corpses will probably be wasted.</p></blockquote>
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…I don’t think a sacrificed cow will be eaten. If it was to be eaten, then it wouldn’t be a sacrifice. I don’t know anything about South African cultures, but aren’t sacrifices usually burned?</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh no, that&#8217;s not something to be worried about &#8211; it will definitely be eaten.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Vedge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Vedge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 06:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Oh but really as a vegetarian I can say that there are animal sacrifices at stadiums all over the world at every event in the form of hot dogs. Not much difference. How ’bout we just stop slaughtering animals all together especially in the name of an imaginary friends called god.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I couldn&#039;t agree with this statement more except for one part. Don&#039;t you see the hipocrisy in calling out the omnivores and superstitionistson their unnecessary animal sacrifices when you eat dairy (and presumably eggs)?

The only way to end the unnecessary suffering and slaughter of all animals is to end the commodification of non-humans. And the only way to accomplish that is to adopt abolitionist veganism as a moral baseline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Oh but really as a vegetarian I can say that there are animal sacrifices at stadiums all over the world at every event in the form of hot dogs. Not much difference. How ’bout we just stop slaughtering animals all together especially in the name of an imaginary friends called god.</p></blockquote>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree with this statement more except for one part. Don&#8217;t you see the hipocrisy in calling out the omnivores and superstitionistson their unnecessary animal sacrifices when you eat dairy (and presumably eggs)?</p>
<p>The only way to end the unnecessary suffering and slaughter of all animals is to end the commodification of non-humans. And the only way to accomplish that is to adopt abolitionist veganism as a moral baseline.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...I don&#039;t think a sacrificed cow will be eaten. If it was to be eaten, then it wouldn&#039;t be a sacrifice. I don&#039;t know anything about South African cultures, but aren&#039;t sacrifices usually burned?

As an atheist and a vegetarian, this offends me, and I think it&#039;s sick and wrong. As a (very) amateur anthropologist, I feel like we shouldn&#039;t interfere or stop another culture&#039;s traditions. 

I really wish they wouldn&#039;t do it and I&#039;ll be angry if they do, but it&#039;s not really our place to stop them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;I don&#8217;t think a sacrificed cow will be eaten. If it was to be eaten, then it wouldn&#8217;t be a sacrifice. I don&#8217;t know anything about South African cultures, but aren&#8217;t sacrifices usually burned?</p>
<p>As an atheist and a vegetarian, this offends me, and I think it&#8217;s sick and wrong. As a (very) amateur anthropologist, I feel like we shouldn&#8217;t interfere or stop another culture&#8217;s traditions. </p>
<p>I really wish they wouldn&#8217;t do it and I&#8217;ll be angry if they do, but it&#8217;s not really our place to stop them.</p>
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		<title>By: SamMac</title>
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		<dc:creator>SamMac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t believe in Vegetarianism? You are not alone.

I encourage you to read this:

http://www.amazon.com/Vegetarian-Myth-Lierre-Keith/dp/1604860804</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t believe in Vegetarianism? You are not alone.</p>
<p>I encourage you to read this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Vegetarian-Myth-Lierre-Keith/dp/1604860804" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Vegetarian-Myth-Lierre-Keith/dp/1604860804</a></p>
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		<title>By: thewordwright</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/10/27/animal-sacrifices-before-the-2010-world-cup/#comment-384300</link>
		<dc:creator>thewordwright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 07:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I started an ePetition to try and stop this from going ahead. It is VERY real and the method of sacrifice is extremely cruel and inhumane. Most people do not realise this.

On the petition site a link was added where you can view the method of slaughter, for those who prefer more detail before signing.

Thank you for your blog entry :)
 &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/Stop-2010-World-Cup-Animal-Sacrifice&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/Stop-2010-World-Cup-Animal-Sacrifice &lt;/a&gt;

Sincerely,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I started an ePetition to try and stop this from going ahead. It is VERY real and the method of sacrifice is extremely cruel and inhumane. Most people do not realise this.</p>
<p>On the petition site a link was added where you can view the method of slaughter, for those who prefer more detail before signing.</p>
<p>Thank you for your blog entry <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
 <a href="http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/Stop-2010-World-Cup-Animal-Sacrifice" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/Stop-2010-World-Cup-Animal-Sacrifice" rel="nofollow">http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/Stop-2010-World-Cup-Animal-Sacrifice</a> </p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
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		<title>By: Bacopa</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/10/27/animal-sacrifices-before-the-2010-world-cup/#comment-384226</link>
		<dc:creator>Bacopa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 05:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rituallly killing animals and distributing the meat is a ceremony common to all early agrarian cultures. It eased social unrest by providing the poor with better meals a few times a year than they usually ate at the expense of the wealthy, and strengthened the position of the wealthy as blessed by the gods. You see this even in non-state level societies with the Potlatch of the Pacific Northwest and the Polynesian Big-Man festivals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rituallly killing animals and distributing the meat is a ceremony common to all early agrarian cultures. It eased social unrest by providing the poor with better meals a few times a year than they usually ate at the expense of the wealthy, and strengthened the position of the wealthy as blessed by the gods. You see this even in non-state level societies with the Potlatch of the Pacific Northwest and the Polynesian Big-Man festivals.</p>
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		<title>By: muggle</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/10/27/animal-sacrifices-before-the-2010-world-cup/#comment-384152</link>
		<dc:creator>muggle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 04:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look if they want a silly religious practice, do it privately.  Let whatever religious place of worship do it there.  Out of respect for the international community, don&#039;t make it a public spectacle at the opening ceremony or whatever it is at the World Cup.  (Suddenly glad sports bore me.)

Okay, I love beef!  I do not, however, love blood and gore.  And, no, I would not want my six year old grandson witnessing this.  If he cares to when he&#039;s older, that&#039;s up to him.

If I had to butcher my own, probably would not happen.  Fortunately, I don&#039;t have to.  It comes all nice and neatly wrapped in nice, sanitary plastic.  Hmmm, on second thought, I guess I could learn to slaughter my own if it was that or no meat.  Fortunately, I will most likely never be forced to do so.

For all you silly vegetarians/vegans, why is life more precious just because it bleeds?  I&#039;ve news for you -- you have to kill to eat.  Those plants you relish aren&#039;t living their natural life cycle out either.  Doesn&#039;t matter if said life cycle would be short if it went unpicked.  You still have to kill to eat.

That said my grandson just got a lesson in where his meat comes from.  I like to imitate Freddie Prince&#039;s &quot;Looking good!&quot; to encourage him when he combs his hair and dresses neatly and that sort of thing so I was searching for a You Tube clip for the line from &quot;Chico and the Man&quot; (which I didn&#039;t find) but one line on a clip I played, Chico says &quot;Is a pig pork?&quot;  Grandson said, &quot;Ewww, no,&quot; and I said, &quot;Yes.&quot;  

He says &quot;You don&#039;t eat pig.&quot;  I said, &quot;Sure I do.  So do you.&quot;  He looks at me funny and I say, &quot;You like pork?&quot;  He nods and I said, &quot;That&#039;s pig.&quot;  &quot;You like ham?&quot;  He nods, and I told him that&#039;s pig.  Same for bacon and sausage (all of which he loves).  I was casual about it and he seemed to think about it a sec shrugged and said, &quot;Okay.&quot;

That does not mean he also needs to witness a pig being slaughtered in order for him to enjoy pork, ham, bacon and sausage.  Get real.  It may be natural for the son of a butcher; it isn&#039;t for a kid who hasn&#039;t been subject to it for six years of life.

However, I am going ahead with cooking the pork chops I had planned tomorrow night when his Mom&#039;s working.  We&#039;ll see how that goes.  If I remember, I&#039;ll keep you posted but I suspect it will be okay.  We&#039;ve already had this discussion with chickens and fish and he still loves them.  In fact, he goes fishing with his Dad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look if they want a silly religious practice, do it privately.  Let whatever religious place of worship do it there.  Out of respect for the international community, don&#8217;t make it a public spectacle at the opening ceremony or whatever it is at the World Cup.  (Suddenly glad sports bore me.)</p>
<p>Okay, I love beef!  I do not, however, love blood and gore.  And, no, I would not want my six year old grandson witnessing this.  If he cares to when he&#8217;s older, that&#8217;s up to him.</p>
<p>If I had to butcher my own, probably would not happen.  Fortunately, I don&#8217;t have to.  It comes all nice and neatly wrapped in nice, sanitary plastic.  Hmmm, on second thought, I guess I could learn to slaughter my own if it was that or no meat.  Fortunately, I will most likely never be forced to do so.</p>
<p>For all you silly vegetarians/vegans, why is life more precious just because it bleeds?  I&#8217;ve news for you &#8212; you have to kill to eat.  Those plants you relish aren&#8217;t living their natural life cycle out either.  Doesn&#8217;t matter if said life cycle would be short if it went unpicked.  You still have to kill to eat.</p>
<p>That said my grandson just got a lesson in where his meat comes from.  I like to imitate Freddie Prince&#8217;s &#8220;Looking good!&#8221; to encourage him when he combs his hair and dresses neatly and that sort of thing so I was searching for a You Tube clip for the line from &#8220;Chico and the Man&#8221; (which I didn&#8217;t find) but one line on a clip I played, Chico says &#8220;Is a pig pork?&#8221;  Grandson said, &#8220;Ewww, no,&#8221; and I said, &#8220;Yes.&#8221;  </p>
<p>He says &#8220;You don&#8217;t eat pig.&#8221;  I said, &#8220;Sure I do.  So do you.&#8221;  He looks at me funny and I say, &#8220;You like pork?&#8221;  He nods and I said, &#8220;That&#8217;s pig.&#8221;  &#8220;You like ham?&#8221;  He nods, and I told him that&#8217;s pig.  Same for bacon and sausage (all of which he loves).  I was casual about it and he seemed to think about it a sec shrugged and said, &#8220;Okay.&#8221;</p>
<p>That does not mean he also needs to witness a pig being slaughtered in order for him to enjoy pork, ham, bacon and sausage.  Get real.  It may be natural for the son of a butcher; it isn&#8217;t for a kid who hasn&#8217;t been subject to it for six years of life.</p>
<p>However, I am going ahead with cooking the pork chops I had planned tomorrow night when his Mom&#8217;s working.  We&#8217;ll see how that goes.  If I remember, I&#8217;ll keep you posted but I suspect it will be okay.  We&#8217;ve already had this discussion with chickens and fish and he still loves them.  In fact, he goes fishing with his Dad.</p>
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		<title>By: Autumnal Harvest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Autumnal Harvest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 04:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is this supposed to be disturbing? People kill and eat animals all the time. If this animal is raised and killed in a traditional manner, it probably had a much nicer life than a cow raised in a Western factory farm, and maybe a slightly more unpleasant death. And animal sacrifices are traditionally usually eaten, so it&#039;s not like the food is wasted. I understand if someone&#039;s a vegetarian who thinks that killing any cow is disturbing, but I don&#039;t see why it&#039;s supposed to be more disturbing when the cow is killed as part of religious ritual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is this supposed to be disturbing? People kill and eat animals all the time. If this animal is raised and killed in a traditional manner, it probably had a much nicer life than a cow raised in a Western factory farm, and maybe a slightly more unpleasant death. And animal sacrifices are traditionally usually eaten, so it&#8217;s not like the food is wasted. I understand if someone&#8217;s a vegetarian who thinks that killing any cow is disturbing, but I don&#8217;t see why it&#8217;s supposed to be more disturbing when the cow is killed as part of religious ritual.</p>
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		<title>By: Jodie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jodie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 03:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silly Hemant -- where does your vegetarianism come from, if not superstition?

....

I LOVE it when atheism and vegetarianism come up as a topic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silly Hemant &#8212; where does your vegetarianism come from, if not superstition?</p>
<p>&#8230;.</p>
<p>I LOVE it when atheism and vegetarianism come up as a topic!</p>
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