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	<description>by Hemant Mehta</description>
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		<title>By: hybridization</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/10/28/the-new-humanism-magazine/#comment-387129</link>
		<dc:creator>hybridization</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s nothing inherently &quot;supernatural&quot; about emotions. Period. It&#039;s clear from observations of social nonhuman animals that they feel emotions, and yet they haven&#039;t come up with any religion to explain them. (Whether or not the emotions are exactly the same as ours is irrelevant; it&#039;s just one of those human characteristics that appears in nonhumans, in one form or another.) Children show emotion before they&#039;re even aware that religion exists, but like language, it seems to be something you have to acquire at the right time from being around other people. If anyone recalls hearing of badly abused children, children who can&#039;t interact with others or show emotion &quot;normally&quot;, that&#039;s a perfect example of how a person without emotion is clearly different from the rest of us.

Frans de Waal argues that morality is based in emotion. He&#039;s written some fantastic stuff on the subject, well worth a read.

It is supremely arrogant to suppose that we are even capable of abandoning our emotions. That, to me, seems just another form of placing ourselves above the rest of &quot;nature&quot;, which is what bugs me about religion in the first place.

Also, I don&#039;t see how taking advantage of the physical/mental benefits of &quot;spiritual&quot; exercises makes a person any less rational. Religious people believe they&#039;re getting in touch with their deity; science might have another answer, but it&#039;s clear that meditation does have observable benefits (the chanting, grounding, focusing, bonding, etc., it can all happen whether or not you believe in Jesus). If you don&#039;t believe in the deity, you can still take the useful parts of the exercise, and you don&#039;t have to pretend you believe OR feel guilty for your lapse of reason. It&#039;s probably neurological (I&#039;m assuming, but I&#039;ve never read up on it); how is it irrational to take advantage of a technique known to be beneficial for explainable reasons? If you don&#039;t believe it&#039;s God making these people feel this stuff, then it has to be something observable, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s nothing inherently &#8220;supernatural&#8221; about emotions. Period. It&#8217;s clear from observations of social nonhuman animals that they feel emotions, and yet they haven&#8217;t come up with any religion to explain them. (Whether or not the emotions are exactly the same as ours is irrelevant; it&#8217;s just one of those human characteristics that appears in nonhumans, in one form or another.) Children show emotion before they&#8217;re even aware that religion exists, but like language, it seems to be something you have to acquire at the right time from being around other people. If anyone recalls hearing of badly abused children, children who can&#8217;t interact with others or show emotion &#8220;normally&#8221;, that&#8217;s a perfect example of how a person without emotion is clearly different from the rest of us.</p>
<p>Frans de Waal argues that morality is based in emotion. He&#8217;s written some fantastic stuff on the subject, well worth a read.</p>
<p>It is supremely arrogant to suppose that we are even capable of abandoning our emotions. That, to me, seems just another form of placing ourselves above the rest of &#8220;nature&#8221;, which is what bugs me about religion in the first place.</p>
<p>Also, I don&#8217;t see how taking advantage of the physical/mental benefits of &#8220;spiritual&#8221; exercises makes a person any less rational. Religious people believe they&#8217;re getting in touch with their deity; science might have another answer, but it&#8217;s clear that meditation does have observable benefits (the chanting, grounding, focusing, bonding, etc., it can all happen whether or not you believe in Jesus). If you don&#8217;t believe in the deity, you can still take the useful parts of the exercise, and you don&#8217;t have to pretend you believe OR feel guilty for your lapse of reason. It&#8217;s probably neurological (I&#8217;m assuming, but I&#8217;ve never read up on it); how is it irrational to take advantage of a technique known to be beneficial for explainable reasons? If you don&#8217;t believe it&#8217;s God making these people feel this stuff, then it has to be something observable, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/10/28/the-new-humanism-magazine/#comment-385811</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time to found Emo Atheists!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time to found Emo Atheists!</p>
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		<title>By: Agersomnia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Agersomnia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Problems with being too &quot;touchy-feely&quot;?

Worry not and travel to a Latin American contry!

Meet the people, or watch them from afar... and you&#039;ll find folks give and receive more hugs, for starters. Then, there&#039;s the tradition of men and women salute and kiss each other in the cheek (men to men usually not, but men to women yes, BTW) when arriving at the office, even if they&#039;re not close friends nor family. People are used to have less personal space between them.

Afterwards, talking about emotions with others does not seem touchy-feely. At most, it seems just plain feely.

I was gonna say something about meditation, but that topic is already thoroughly covered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Problems with being too &#8220;touchy-feely&#8221;?</p>
<p>Worry not and travel to a Latin American contry!</p>
<p>Meet the people, or watch them from afar&#8230; and you&#8217;ll find folks give and receive more hugs, for starters. Then, there&#8217;s the tradition of men and women salute and kiss each other in the cheek (men to men usually not, but men to women yes, BTW) when arriving at the office, even if they&#8217;re not close friends nor family. People are used to have less personal space between them.</p>
<p>Afterwards, talking about emotions with others does not seem touchy-feely. At most, it seems just plain feely.</p>
<p>I was gonna say something about meditation, but that topic is already thoroughly covered.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 04:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see anything wrong with emotions or meditation. Seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see anything wrong with emotions or meditation. Seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/10/28/the-new-humanism-magazine/#comment-385257</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 02:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, this isn&#039;t for me. Particularly the meditation. I&#039;m glad it&#039;s available for people who want it, but meditation makes me very uncomfortable. We were supposed to meditate in one of my college classes, and I just sat there like an idiot while (presumably) everyone around me was able to do it. 

I&#039;m also a lifelong atheist, so &quot;mystical&quot; or &quot;spiritual&quot; rituals are just not part of my background. I&#039;m not much of a group person, have never belonged to a church community, and thus have little interest in getting together with other atheists to engage in group discussion, let alone singing, lighting candles, chanting, etc.

But I am glad to see the &quot;kinder, gentler&quot; face of atheism getting some media attention. I&#039;m looking forward to Greg Epstein&#039;s book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, this isn&#8217;t for me. Particularly the meditation. I&#8217;m glad it&#8217;s available for people who want it, but meditation makes me very uncomfortable. We were supposed to meditate in one of my college classes, and I just sat there like an idiot while (presumably) everyone around me was able to do it. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m also a lifelong atheist, so &#8220;mystical&#8221; or &#8220;spiritual&#8221; rituals are just not part of my background. I&#8217;m not much of a group person, have never belonged to a church community, and thus have little interest in getting together with other atheists to engage in group discussion, let alone singing, lighting candles, chanting, etc.</p>
<p>But I am glad to see the &#8220;kinder, gentler&#8221; face of atheism getting some media attention. I&#8217;m looking forward to Greg Epstein&#8217;s book.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see how it&#039;s &quot;touchy-feely.&quot; I&#039;ve seen MUCH creepier attempts by atheist/agnostic groups to acknowledge our own humanity in a world of reason...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see how it&#8217;s &#8220;touchy-feely.&#8221; I&#8217;ve seen MUCH creepier attempts by atheist/agnostic groups to acknowledge our own humanity in a world of reason&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Siamang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Siamang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m married.  I&#039;m done being touchy-feely with strangers!

:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m married.  I&#8217;m done being touchy-feely with strangers!</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ewwww, touchy-feely!  That&#039;s just too uncomfortable for some.

Come on, I know a lot of single atheists read this blog.  How are you ever gonna find someone unless you get in touch with your touchy-feely side!

I am gonna be following this magazine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ewwww, touchy-feely!  That&#8217;s just too uncomfortable for some.</p>
<p>Come on, I know a lot of single atheists read this blog.  How are you ever gonna find someone unless you get in touch with your touchy-feely side!</p>
<p>I am gonna be following this magazine.</p>
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		<title>By: Claudia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claudia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s always great to go into a thread and see someone else has already gone to the trouble of putting your thoughts into writing. Thanks Garic!

Humanism isn&#039;t for everyone and it has no need to be. We should be wary of becoming balkanized though. People for whom Humanism is not attractive shouldn&#039;t dismiss it as nonsense or a quasi-religion  out of hand. It should naturally be entirely open to debate and criticism, both as a global concept and in it&#039;s various facets, but the assumption that because you don&#039;t want it other people shouldn&#039;t or that they are &quot;weaker&quot; because they like it is wrong. Likewise Humanists should avoid the (many) pitfalls that await anyone becoming a part of an organized moral philosophy. Dogmatism, a sense of superiority and intolerance to others who choose a different path do not require an accompanying deity. 

Personally, I&#039;ve been sort of interested in Humanism for quite some time. I&#039;ll bookmark the magazine for a few weeks, see how it goes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s always great to go into a thread and see someone else has already gone to the trouble of putting your thoughts into writing. Thanks Garic!</p>
<p>Humanism isn&#8217;t for everyone and it has no need to be. We should be wary of becoming balkanized though. People for whom Humanism is not attractive shouldn&#8217;t dismiss it as nonsense or a quasi-religion  out of hand. It should naturally be entirely open to debate and criticism, both as a global concept and in it&#8217;s various facets, but the assumption that because you don&#8217;t want it other people shouldn&#8217;t or that they are &#8220;weaker&#8221; because they like it is wrong. Likewise Humanists should avoid the (many) pitfalls that await anyone becoming a part of an organized moral philosophy. Dogmatism, a sense of superiority and intolerance to others who choose a different path do not require an accompanying deity. </p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;ve been sort of interested in Humanism for quite some time. I&#8217;ll bookmark the magazine for a few weeks, see how it goes.</p>
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		<title>By: Marvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, ninja&#039;d by Miko!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, ninja&#8217;d by Miko!</p>
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