We certainly won’t end up in the same place. That fact that you don’t believe in God or heaven doesn’t change the fact of its existence, nor the result of your eternal destiny.

Hmm.. That could be reciprocated. That is, “We certainly will end up in the same place. The fact that you do believe in God and heaven doesn’t change the fact of their nonexistence, nor the result of your final destiny.”

Or even better, “We certainly will end up in the same place. The fact that you don’t believe in karma and samsara doesn’t change the fact of their existence, nor that each of us will ultimately achieve moksha, regardless of the path we take.”

With those, consider that we’re both certain of what we’ve said, and ponder it for a while. Ponder further that many readers here, myself included, once felt certainty in the same ideas as you.

Now how do we break laws of logic to make afterlife exist and not exist at the same time?

Problem solved!

Whoops, never mind

Yeah Matt, that would be great fun. Now how do we break laws of logic to make afterlife exist and not exist at the same time?

My preferred solution is that we find out there actually is a god, but she (“he” only to those who believe in a “she” god) purposely left no evidence of her existence and prefers atheists because they accurately picked up on the lack of evidence. Deists aren’t off the hook either – they shouldn’t have believed without any evidence.

I know that when I die I’ll just be gone – hopefully not forgotten, but certainly not going to a better place.

I’d just love to see some of the loony fundies realise there’s nothing there. (i’m an “I told you so” kind of guy!)

We certainly won’t end up in the same place. That fact that you don’t believe in God or heaven doesn’t change the fact of its existence, nor the result of your eternal destiny.

No, it doesn’t.