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	<title>Comments on: Learn to be Lucky: What Luck Really is</title>
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	<description>by Hemant Mehta</description>
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		<title>By: AnonyMouse</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/11/05/learn-to-be-lucky-what-luck-really-is/#comment-395070</link>
		<dc:creator>AnonyMouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a skill that I cultivated shortly after using my faith.  Without God to set everything up right in front of my face, I quickly learned how to look for opportunities - and to jump them as soon as they appeared.  In fact, that&#039;s how I got the computer I&#039;m now writing this message on. :P  In yo face, Jeezus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a skill that I cultivated shortly after using my faith.  Without God to set everything up right in front of my face, I quickly learned how to look for opportunities &#8211; and to jump them as soon as they appeared.  In fact, that&#8217;s how I got the computer I&#8217;m now writing this message on. <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />   In yo face, Jeezus.</p>
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		<title>By: muggle</title>
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		<dc:creator>muggle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My skeptical thinking must get in the way of my luck.  Like schism, I&#039;d have counted anyway to verify if they were telling the truth or not.

Also, the point about history is probably a factor.  For instance, I had an extremely unlucky pick in who I married but I&#039;m sure the dysfunctional family life I endured as a child has to be a factor.  Now I avoid marriage like the plague because I learned the hard way how the wrong love can fuck your life up forever, even after he&#039;s dead, because I married him.  Who knows what wonderful love I&#039;m throwing away with the bath water?

I&#039;m getting reflective in my old age and the older I get the more and the more I learn I realize how totally screwed I was by my lousy child and those two people who shouldn&#039;t even had had one child having 8 in 10 years time because they left it up to God.

And that whole I&#039;ll teach you to be lucky promise creeps me out.  It sounds rather cult-like and controlling.  Vague empty promises if you do things as I tell you to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My skeptical thinking must get in the way of my luck.  Like schism, I&#8217;d have counted anyway to verify if they were telling the truth or not.</p>
<p>Also, the point about history is probably a factor.  For instance, I had an extremely unlucky pick in who I married but I&#8217;m sure the dysfunctional family life I endured as a child has to be a factor.  Now I avoid marriage like the plague because I learned the hard way how the wrong love can fuck your life up forever, even after he&#8217;s dead, because I married him.  Who knows what wonderful love I&#8217;m throwing away with the bath water?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m getting reflective in my old age and the older I get the more and the more I learn I realize how totally screwed I was by my lousy child and those two people who shouldn&#8217;t even had had one child having 8 in 10 years time because they left it up to God.</p>
<p>And that whole I&#8217;ll teach you to be lucky promise creeps me out.  It sounds rather cult-like and controlling.  Vague empty promises if you do things as I tell you to.</p>
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		<title>By: Acitta</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/11/05/learn-to-be-lucky-what-luck-really-is/#comment-392542</link>
		<dc:creator>Acitta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 07:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Wiseman also published a book on the subject called The Luck Factor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Wiseman also published a book on the subject called The Luck Factor.</p>
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		<title>By: Fett101</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/11/05/learn-to-be-lucky-what-luck-really-is/#comment-392028</link>
		<dc:creator>Fett101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@schism

From the article
&lt;blockquote&gt;For fun, I placed a second large message halfway through the newspaper: &quot;Stop counting. Tell the experimenter you have seen this and win £250.&quot; Again, the unlucky people missed the opportunity&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I was thinking the same thing until I read through the article. If the &#039;unlucky&#039; people had seen that I don&#039;t see how they would not attempt to claim the prize. Then again, maybe it could have been thought of as an attempt to make them lose their count.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@schism</p>
<p>From the article</p>
<blockquote><p>For fun, I placed a second large message halfway through the newspaper: &#8220;Stop counting. Tell the experimenter you have seen this and win £250.&#8221; Again, the unlucky people missed the opportunity</p></blockquote>
<p>I was thinking the same thing until I read through the article. If the &#8216;unlucky&#8217; people had seen that I don&#8217;t see how they would not attempt to claim the prize. Then again, maybe it could have been thought of as an attempt to make them lose their count.</p>
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		<title>By: J B Tait</title>
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		<dc:creator>J B Tait</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Arkonbey   Yes.  
I used to be lucky.  I would just go ahead and do things and they worked out right.  I had faith in myself, and how the World worked.
Then life contrived to slap me down.  Things went wrong, even when I was meticulously careful and it kept happening.  So many things got messed up, usually through no fault of my own, I developed Learned Helplessness, as in, things were ok unless I tried to improve my circumstances, in which case they invariably got worse, so I stopped trying.
Where before I would have trusted the message and reported the printed number of photos, now I would be sure to count them for myself, and if things went as usual, indeed I would get a different count.

I wonder how much the &quot;lucky&quot; people really were confident because things already had gone well, and how much the &quot;unlucky&quot; ones were responding to a history of things going wrong?
And I wonder how much the improved outlook actually made it better for them or just made them not feel so bad about being unlucky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Arkonbey   Yes.<br />
I used to be lucky.  I would just go ahead and do things and they worked out right.  I had faith in myself, and how the World worked.<br />
Then life contrived to slap me down.  Things went wrong, even when I was meticulously careful and it kept happening.  So many things got messed up, usually through no fault of my own, I developed Learned Helplessness, as in, things were ok unless I tried to improve my circumstances, in which case they invariably got worse, so I stopped trying.<br />
Where before I would have trusted the message and reported the printed number of photos, now I would be sure to count them for myself, and if things went as usual, indeed I would get a different count.</p>
<p>I wonder how much the &#8220;lucky&#8221; people really were confident because things already had gone well, and how much the &#8220;unlucky&#8221; ones were responding to a history of things going wrong?<br />
And I wonder how much the improved outlook actually made it better for them or just made them not feel so bad about being unlucky.</p>
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		<title>By: Arkonbey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arkonbey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ schism / Magetoo: Same here. 

I wonder what would it do to the results if &lt;em&gt;n&lt;/em&gt; subjects took over two minutes, but answered with the caveat: &quot;well, page two &lt;em&gt;said&lt;/em&gt; forty-three photos, but I wanted to be sure.&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ schism / Magetoo: Same here. </p>
<p>I wonder what would it do to the results if <em>n</em> subjects took over two minutes, but answered with the caveat: &#8220;well, page two <em>said</em> forty-three photos, but I wanted to be sure.&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: magetoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>magetoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>schism:  That&#039;s exactly what I thought too.

And there&#039;s the discovery that people who are depressed are supposedly better at judging their own abilities; is there perhaps a connection here?

( I can&#039;t seem to find a good reference, but this recent blog post makes some other points that might be relevant: http://psych.drew3000.net/the-upside-of-depression/ )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>schism:  That&#8217;s exactly what I thought too.</p>
<p>And there&#8217;s the discovery that people who are depressed are supposedly better at judging their own abilities; is there perhaps a connection here?</p>
<p>( I can&#8217;t seem to find a good reference, but this recent blog post makes some other points that might be relevant: <a href="http://psych.drew3000.net/the-upside-of-depression/" rel="nofollow">http://psych.drew3000.net/the-upside-of-depression/</a> )</p>
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		<title>By: schism</title>
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		<dc:creator>schism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 07:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Because the second page of the newspaper contained the message: “Stop counting. There are 43 photographs in this newspaper.” &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Were I presented with this challenge, I&#039;d ignore that line and count the photos anyway just because I&#039;d assume you were trying to trick me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Because the second page of the newspaper contained the message: “Stop counting. There are 43 photographs in this newspaper.” </p></blockquote>
<p>Were I presented with this challenge, I&#8217;d ignore that line and count the photos anyway just because I&#8217;d assume you were trying to trick me.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Covill</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/11/05/learn-to-be-lucky-what-luck-really-is/#comment-391620</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Covill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 05:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Former Commandant of the Marine Corps, Gen. Victor &quot;Brute&quot; Krulak, supposedly had a sign in his office that read:
   &quot;The harder I work, the luckier I get.&quot;

Luck has a lot more to do with attitude than with events.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Former Commandant of the Marine Corps, Gen. Victor &#8220;Brute&#8221; Krulak, supposedly had a sign in his office that read:<br />
   &#8220;The harder I work, the luckier I get.&#8221;</p>
<p>Luck has a lot more to do with attitude than with events.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Is their opinion of themselves a scientific way of determining what their “luck factor” is? This is bunk.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, considering that luck is subjective, then I suppose it is. One person might think themselves lucky to have survived cancer, but another unlucky to get it in the first place. Cancer is oblivious to the human perception of luck, so it is up to the person to decide whether or not they consider it luck or not.

This research seems to point to the fact not that people make their own luck (since it doesn&#039;t exist), but by lacking confidence (seeing themselves as unlucky) they can miss opportunities they might otherwise have gained.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Is their opinion of themselves a scientific way of determining what their “luck factor” is? This is bunk.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, considering that luck is subjective, then I suppose it is. One person might think themselves lucky to have survived cancer, but another unlucky to get it in the first place. Cancer is oblivious to the human perception of luck, so it is up to the person to decide whether or not they consider it luck or not.</p>
<p>This research seems to point to the fact not that people make their own luck (since it doesn&#8217;t exist), but by lacking confidence (seeing themselves as unlucky) they can miss opportunities they might otherwise have gained.</p>
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