He for instance likes to disrupt religious ceremonies, asking people to steal communion wafers from them.

“Can anyone out there score me some consecrated communion wafers? There’s no way I can personally get them — my local churches have stakes prepared for me, I’m sure — but if any of you would be willing to do what it takes to get me some, or even one, and mail it to me, I’ll show you sacrilege, gladly, and with much fanfare.”- P.Z.Myers

How is anyone supposed to get consecrated wafers without stealing them from a ceremony? The wafers are given out with limited intended use during a ceremony, not for handing over for some demonstration of religious hatred.

Myers is only justifying this kind of behavior, trespass, because he’d likes to do worse, like the above (without the guts to trespass and steal himself). After all attending such a religious ceremony with the intent to steal a eucharist would be trespass.

Besides I think Myers has leftist leanings because he’s said “My least favorite political/economic group is the Libertarians, …” That would put Marxists, Facists, and Nazis higher on his list of favorites. He sympathizes with the Marxists as they are on his side, and he hates the more libertarian contingent of the EHS who found Sunsara’s switched speech unacceptable.

The point wasn’t that the trespasser with the camera can be arrested and maced at will wherever he stands. Myers sets out a straw man as he often does when he’s in debate mode. The point was that the guy has a history of reacting violently to others. In this case, the trespasser resisted eviction from someone else’s property. He should have left when the officers asked him to, the drama queen.

Make no mistake going onto someone else’s property and refusing to leave is the use of physical force, and is abuse of property, and therefore entails violence.

You have to have several sheets to the wind to be a Marxist in the first place. Any kind of Marxist because Marx himself was an evil crackpot.

Also the Gregory Koger, the trespasser in question, has stated on his website, “On my attorney’s advice, given the pending serious charges I face, I am not commenting and I’ve made parts of my website private until after the legal proceedings are resolved and I can speak freely.”

In other words there were statements on his website that his attorney decided are incriminating, show him in a bad light (perhaps as advocating violent protest), or otherwise, that he needs to hide.

Pointing out his violent history also goes to show the kind of people Sunsara hangs out with so that perhaps there was good reason to have the police there.

Posted by: PZ Myers Author Profile Page | November 8, 2009 8:22 PM

Mr Kane:

“The supposedly docile cameraman who was maced and arrested for “no good reason” has a long arrest record that not only includes violent crime but he has even been convicted of homicide.”

The fact that someone has been convicted of a crime in the past does not mean that the police can beat him up and mace him at will, nor does it imply that he was not docile.

You’re making it worse for yourself. That kind of poisoning the well argument is meretricious and a disgrace.

http://www.pioneerlocal.com/skokie/news/1870011,skokie-blotter-111209-s1.article

1. The supposedly docile cameraman who was maced and arrested for “no good reason” has a long arrest record that not only includes violent crime but he has even been convicted of homicide.

2. The camera that he was using to record the even was NOT confiscated by the police. What is on this tape that the Sunsara Taylor people don’t want us to see? They sure are quick to post everything else.

The police report is now public for anyone interested in getting it.

What they’re saying sounds reasonable, but there are always two sides to a story and a truth somewhere in the middle.

Ron, please tell me you’ve never had to serve on a jury.

Just because there are “two sides” to a story doesn’t mean that the truth is necessarily somewhere in between them. A person on one of those “sides” could be simply mistaken — or could be lying like a rug.

For example, consider the “manufactroversies” surrounding such topics as vaccination, evolution, and global climate change (not to mention the issues relentlessly raised by Birthers, Truthers, and Moon-Landing Hoaxers). The credulous media reporting “both sides” doesn’t necessarily mean that the truth lies somewhere in the middle; often, it means that one side is either lying or simply delusional.

~David D.G.

Not that I’m saying the EHSC is innocent, but I’d bet that the truth is likely closer to their story.

And I don’t mean legal. Though there’s a great deal of irony in someone promoting communism screaming for her rights like a baby having her candy yanked away from her.

Even in the still, the guy hardly looks abused, just under arrest — as he should be for not leaving private property when asked to do so and for assaulting a police officer.