Comments on: An Atheist’s Version of Immortality

By: jemand

jemand — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:46:57 +0000

but *shouldn’t* people who support organ donation also support anything else that the deceased person agreed to regarding their body, as long as it does not endanger public health? Wouldn’t a contract for necrophilia in controlled situations fall under that? I mean, probably you’ll get .00000000000001% of people who sign for it but those that do, who cares?

By: stephanie

stephanie — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:55:43 +0000

Even after kuoyue stated this:

I’m not arguing for one side or the other here; this is an issue I’ve been trying to sort out for myself for a while now. Please convince me!

The AMYABLE ATHEIST (that’s a laugh) responds with derision.

Interesting you would take this, and leave out the bulk of Kuoyue’s proposal: that organ donors should also find necrophilia acceptable. You’ve taken a bit of a rather inciting argument and twisted it to sound like it was discussing another topic- that of organ donation in general.

Either argue your point or don’t. Personally, I don’t care whether you donate your organs any more than whether you donate money, time or care to others. It’s a decision between you and your ethics and no one else should force theirs upon you.
But the trolling and then claiming persecution gets old. Can’t we keep a debate free of it for once?

By: Polly

Polly — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:11:30 +0000

@DSimon,

What the fuck, muggle, Polly? When did anyone call you anything like any of these things?

I was talking about a general tone in the atheosphere where disagreement is oftentimes met with anything but an open mind.
You brought up a good example regarding kuoyue’s question.
But, also GoodReasonNews‘s totally superfluous insult was, IMO, vexing – and I don’t even share muggle’s POV.

It applies to any and every subject.

edit:
Even after kuoyue stated this:

I’m not arguing for one side or the other here; this is an issue I’ve been trying to sort out for myself for a while now. Please convince me!

The AMYABLE ATHEIST (that’s a laugh) responds with derision.

By: ethanol

ethanol — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:28:25 +0000

My comment to muggle on the subject of organ donation and population control was certainly unkind but I must still defend it. Muggle defended her opposition of organ donation on the grounds of excess human population. If explicitly not supporting medical treatment as a form of population control isn’t passive aggressive I don’t know what is. Glad to hear that you contribute to planned parenthood though.

By: DSimon

DSimon — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:03:05 +0000

Well, I take that a little bit back, since ethanol did call you “passive-aggressive” as an insult, and that was rude and uncalled for. Also, Amyable Atheist called kuoyue’s question about necrophilia “idiotic”, which was also rude.

Other than that, though, it’s just been straight-up discussion and disagreement. So what’s with the martyr mode?

By: DSimon

DSimon — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:55:48 +0000

Why am I suddenly a crazy whackadoodle the second I don’t want be an organ donor?

You aren’t allowed to disagree. Unless you march in lock-step with every self-righteouss, feel-good fatwa policy set forth by the Atheist Moral Minority, you should expect to be reviled as “no better than” a religio-nut, bigot, anti-humanist, climate-destroying piece of scum.

What the fuck, muggle, Polly? When did anyone call you anything like any of these things? All that's happened so far as I can tell is people have asked you questions and respectfully but forcefully disagreed with you. Nobody's insulted you, or threatened to ban you, or anything like that.

By: jemand

jemand — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:25:03 +0000

lost left coaster, I already linked to recorded cases of infants being declared dead of heart failure…. and then having THOSE SAME HEARTS transplanted into other infants, where they worked no problem.

That the current legal climate allowed that is crazy. I’ll rely on my family to donate at the proper time.

By: Flah

Flah — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:58:35 +0000

Hey, christian here and an organ donor. When my very devout mother passed, we got an interesting card from the eye bank. The person who harvested her corneas knew her from taking classes with her, and so kindly wrote that two people had benefited from her gift. It was the most meaningful condolence I received, bar none.

Any god that relies on my corporeal body being whole is a pretty small god.

I get why some might feel uncomfortable with donating. I personally freak at the idea of being buried, so I opt for cremation. For me, being burned to a cinder is less scary than being put underground. Go figure.

By: muggle

muggle — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:56:03 +0000

Seems that way on this issue, at least, Polly.

By: muggle

muggle — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:55:05 +0000

And, actually, ethanol, I do contribute to Planned Parenthood. I do not and will not give to feed the children because I think birth control will do more to prevent the number of children who starve to death every day.

And, no, I haven’t yet given to Doctors Without Borders because I have mixed emotions about them. This is why I do. They do good work bringing medical care where necessary but I have a fear they’ll go too far as we do hear and there will be still more Terry Schiavo’s not taken off life support.

And, no, if I have a heart attack, I don’t want the transplant to draw out my agony for five more lousy stinking years only to die of complications from said transplant. Keep it.