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	<title>Comments on: Vote for the Bad Faith Award 2009</title>
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	<description>by Hemant Mehta</description>
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		<title>By: Spickey Millane</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/11/07/vote-for-the-bad-faith-award-2009/#comment-393007</link>
		<dc:creator>Spickey Millane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me it&#039;s a tie between Pope Benedict and his ridiculous atheists cause global warming (among the usual idiotic stuff from him) and Tony Blair&#039;s equating peaceful rational minded people with those who think their magic man in the sky wants planes crashed into buildings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me it&#8217;s a tie between Pope Benedict and his ridiculous atheists cause global warming (among the usual idiotic stuff from him) and Tony Blair&#8217;s equating peaceful rational minded people with those who think their magic man in the sky wants planes crashed into buildings.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikko</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/11/07/vote-for-the-bad-faith-award-2009/#comment-392851</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 02:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>voted on adnan oktar</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>voted on adnan oktar</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/11/07/vote-for-the-bad-faith-award-2009/#comment-392759</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went for Dermot Ahearne, but I am biased because it is my country he was ruining with his stupid blasphemy law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went for Dermot Ahearne, but I am biased because it is my country he was ruining with his stupid blasphemy law.</p>
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		<title>By: «bønez_brigade»</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/11/07/vote-for-the-bad-faith-award-2009/#comment-392757</link>
		<dc:creator>«bønez_brigade»</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pope Ratbagz!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pope Ratbagz!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 06:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, where is the &quot;All of the above&quot; option?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, where is the &#8220;All of the above&#8221; option?</p>
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		<title>By: Moose</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/11/07/vote-for-the-bad-faith-award-2009/#comment-392477</link>
		<dc:creator>Moose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 01:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Da Poop.

&quot;Vatican Ministry of Health&quot; - my big, fat, hairy A$$.

Moose</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Da Poop.</p>
<p>&#8220;Vatican Ministry of Health&#8221; &#8211; my big, fat, hairy A$$.</p>
<p>Moose</p>
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		<title>By: Miko</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/11/07/vote-for-the-bad-faith-award-2009/#comment-392451</link>
		<dc:creator>Miko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I agree with Neon Genesis re: Armstrong.  She&#039;s there because she wrote a book &quot;mounting what some might call a more sophisticated defence [sic] of religion.&quot;  Are they saying it would&#039;ve been okay if only her defense of religion was more sophomoric?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I agree with Neon Genesis re: Armstrong.  She&#8217;s there because she wrote a book &#8220;mounting what some might call a more sophisticated defence [sic] of religion.&#8221;  Are they saying it would&#8217;ve been okay if only her defense of religion was more sophomoric?</p>
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		<title>By: Miko</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/11/07/vote-for-the-bad-faith-award-2009/#comment-392449</link>
		<dc:creator>Miko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dermot Aherne.  I based my vote on actual harm caused, rather than strictly on just speaking nonsense.  As such, I wanted to go for the person who most effectively brought about cooperation between various hierarchical oppressive organizations (church, state, corporation, etc.), since together they can do exponentially more harm than any one could do separately.

Last year, church-state partnership was the obvious threat and so Palin was the obvious choice.  With the election of Obama, the church-state (theocracy) partnership has become slightly less of an issue (even if he is giving out more Faith-Based Initiative money than Bush was) due to the growth of the pernicious state-corporation (fascist) partnership.  That said, church-state was my deciding factor anyway, based on the nominees (mainly because it&#039;s still very significant on the world stage, even if it&#039;s currently cooled a bit in the U.S.).

Most of them, while stupid, weren&#039;t posing a systemic threat to society, so I only really considered four:

4) The British Chiropractic Association: While there are good reasons (regarding natural rights) to have libel laws, the BCA gives a good utilitarian argument as to why society might be better off without them.  While &quot;trying to sue&quot; is bad enough due to the intimidation aspects, they didn&#039;t get my vote since so far they haven&#039;t actually been successful.

3) Tony Blair: Mainly because I don&#039;t like him.  His statement &quot;We face an aggressive secular attack from without&quot; is mitigated somewhat by the follow-up &quot;We face the threat of extremism from within.&quot;  He&#039;s technically correct that secularism is a threat to religion, but misses both the mechanics of why this is and the fact that that&#039;s a good thing.  He&#039;s right that extremist religion is a huge threat.  If he becomes president of Europe, he&#039;ll be a threat to reason, but right now he&#039;s just a harmless crank.

2) Anjem Choudary: Trying to impose Shari&#039;ah in the UK.  Scary, but again no credibility beyond the &quot;trying&quot; part.

1) Dermot Aherne: The winner by virtue of being the only nominee not to have the word &quot;trying&quot; in the description of what they did.  Plus, Ireland has always been a fairly libertarian country, so passing a law like this there is much worse than it would be in other parts of the world, since the nation had further to fall.

&lt;blockquote&gt;It’s the “about matters of religion” bit I have trouble with in deciding who to vote for.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The criteria listed on the poll page is &quot;contribution to the cause of unreason,&quot; not specifically religion.  I&#039;d say that other criteria than religion can and should be considered.  Otherwise, the BCA wouldn&#039;t have been a nominee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dermot Aherne.  I based my vote on actual harm caused, rather than strictly on just speaking nonsense.  As such, I wanted to go for the person who most effectively brought about cooperation between various hierarchical oppressive organizations (church, state, corporation, etc.), since together they can do exponentially more harm than any one could do separately.</p>
<p>Last year, church-state partnership was the obvious threat and so Palin was the obvious choice.  With the election of Obama, the church-state (theocracy) partnership has become slightly less of an issue (even if he is giving out more Faith-Based Initiative money than Bush was) due to the growth of the pernicious state-corporation (fascist) partnership.  That said, church-state was my deciding factor anyway, based on the nominees (mainly because it&#8217;s still very significant on the world stage, even if it&#8217;s currently cooled a bit in the U.S.).</p>
<p>Most of them, while stupid, weren&#8217;t posing a systemic threat to society, so I only really considered four:</p>
<p>4) The British Chiropractic Association: While there are good reasons (regarding natural rights) to have libel laws, the BCA gives a good utilitarian argument as to why society might be better off without them.  While &#8220;trying to sue&#8221; is bad enough due to the intimidation aspects, they didn&#8217;t get my vote since so far they haven&#8217;t actually been successful.</p>
<p>3) Tony Blair: Mainly because I don&#8217;t like him.  His statement &#8220;We face an aggressive secular attack from without&#8221; is mitigated somewhat by the follow-up &#8220;We face the threat of extremism from within.&#8221;  He&#8217;s technically correct that secularism is a threat to religion, but misses both the mechanics of why this is and the fact that that&#8217;s a good thing.  He&#8217;s right that extremist religion is a huge threat.  If he becomes president of Europe, he&#8217;ll be a threat to reason, but right now he&#8217;s just a harmless crank.</p>
<p>2) Anjem Choudary: Trying to impose Shari&#8217;ah in the UK.  Scary, but again no credibility beyond the &#8220;trying&#8221; part.</p>
<p>1) Dermot Aherne: The winner by virtue of being the only nominee not to have the word &#8220;trying&#8221; in the description of what they did.  Plus, Ireland has always been a fairly libertarian country, so passing a law like this there is much worse than it would be in other parts of the world, since the nation had further to fall.</p>
<blockquote><p>It’s the “about matters of religion” bit I have trouble with in deciding who to vote for.</p></blockquote>
<p>The criteria listed on the poll page is &#8220;contribution to the cause of unreason,&#8221; not specifically religion.  I&#8217;d say that other criteria than religion can and should be considered.  Otherwise, the BCA wouldn&#8217;t have been a nominee.</p>
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		<title>By: Neon Genesis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neon Genesis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What was so bad about Karen Armstrong?  She&#039;s certainly more rational than Bill Maher in any case.  Anyway, I&#039;d have to go for Tony Blair for trying to organize all the religious people to go after atheists for some bizarre reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was so bad about Karen Armstrong?  She&#8217;s certainly more rational than Bill Maher in any case.  Anyway, I&#8217;d have to go for Tony Blair for trying to organize all the religious people to go after atheists for some bizarre reason.</p>
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		<title>By: ZombieGirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZombieGirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awww this is so hard to choose....
half my family lives in Turkey, so I naturally feel more connected to that country so am tempted to vote for the man responsible for creating so much anti-evolutionism in Turkey.



I think I might vote for Chaudary, though I don&#039;t live in the UK. I am not a fan of the Pope either, especially because of the immense power he has. 

I&#039;ll decide between those three. XD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awww this is so hard to choose&#8230;.<br />
half my family lives in Turkey, so I naturally feel more connected to that country so am tempted to vote for the man responsible for creating so much anti-evolutionism in Turkey.</p>
<p>I think I might vote for Chaudary, though I don&#8217;t live in the UK. I am not a fan of the Pope either, especially because of the immense power he has. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll decide between those three. XD</p>
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