The thing is, there’s no way to prove either way. There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrong with pointing out the struggles between one group in need of civil rights and another. The best way to go about discussing Yes on 8 is to say that bigot religious people were intent on not granting American freedoms to American citizens. Discussing whether those bigots happened to be black (which would make it hypocritical {a typical Christian virtue}, since black people have had to fight so hard for their rights in this country) isn’t really going to help the situation or lead to a constructive discussion of why Prop 8 was wrong.

Once again, I am looking up the actual text of the racist comments..so if someone wants to enlighten me please go ahead.

Dan makes a valid and very excellent point about the pick and choose method, based on people’s prejudices.

I’ve read the bible from cover to cover at least a few times growing up in religion. It’s meant to offer suggestions on how to live your life, not to be a literal word-for-word on how to live and how to treat others.

I can just see the subtitle now: “The Holy Bible: Some Suggestions You Might Want to Follow.”

Clearly, many people would disagree with your assessment of the purpose of the Bible, Marty.

How is a believer supposed to decide how closely he/she should follow the Bible?

Small steps.

Dan makes a valid and very excellent point about the pick and choose method, based on people’s prejudices.

I’ve read the bible from cover to cover at least a few times growing up in religion. It’s meant to offer suggestions on how to live your life, not to be a literal word-for-word on how to live and how to treat others.

FWIW, Dan’s comparison of the African-American lack of support at the voting booth and some people’s positions during the Prop 8 vote in Calif actually had some good points to it. His point was that black people had to fight for marriage rights at some point and why wouldn’t they support others in their fight for marriage rights.

I admit it came out a bit judgmental, and Dan could have voiced it better, but I got the point he was trying to make.

I do that because everyone I’ve ever known who has has lost their faith by the third read, except one whose doubts kicked in on the fourth.

Hmmm, I read it as a teenager too.

Love this, because it drives me nuts when you call them out on some ridiculous law in the OT and they say it doesn’t apply because of Jebus but sure remain fond of the big 10 and hating gays.

I’ll admit I only know the guy via his Savage Love column but… what ? I wasn’t aware of him regularly voicing racist ideas.

He blamed the African American community for anti same-sex marriage legislation – he wasn’t the only one, it was a rather popular topic on radio talk shows. The theme went something like this: the genpop was marginally in favor of same sex marriage but black support was much lower – therefore it was their fault Prop 8 passed et c.

It wasn’t a well-thought out position (he retracted the article), but the racist label is undeserved.

Maybe she has him mistaken for Michael Savage?

Wow Dan Savage made it through two and a half minutes without saying something racist. That has to be some kind of record.

I’ll admit I only know the guy via his Savage Love column but… what ? I wasn’t aware of him regularly voicing racist ideas.