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		<title>By: gigi</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/11/10/friend-or-foe-2009/#comment-399494</link>
		<dc:creator>gigi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;those of us in the rest of the country still believe in GOD and Jesus Christ.&lt;/em&gt;

Actually Brannon, not even everyone in the Bible belt is a Christian - shocking, I know, but not only is it true now - it has ALWAYS been true since the beginning of this nation.  Sure its the majority religion, but its still not &lt;em&gt;everyone&#039;s&lt;/em&gt; chosen religion.

How would you feel if there was prayer in school, but it was prayers to Allah or Shiva?  

If we allow prayers in the schools you can bet that there would be some &#039;crazy&#039; non-Christians who will want their own religions also represented - truly, it would be the &#039;save Christmas&#039;-type Christians who would be the most unhappy with the results if we ever did go back to having prayer in schools...because people like me (yep, one of those &#039;crazies&#039;) would make sure that more than just Christianity was represented.

I say the the &lt;em&gt;&#039;save Christmas&#039;-type Christians&lt;/em&gt; because there are actually many Christians who do recognize that not everyone believes like they do and don&#039;t have a problem with that (some of them are even friends of mine and don&#039;t feel the need to try to convert me anymore than I do them, lol).  Like any group, its the loud intolerant ones within it that are making them all look bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>those of us in the rest of the country still believe in GOD and Jesus Christ.</em></p>
<p>Actually Brannon, not even everyone in the Bible belt is a Christian &#8211; shocking, I know, but not only is it true now &#8211; it has ALWAYS been true since the beginning of this nation.  Sure its the majority religion, but its still not <em>everyone&#8217;s</em> chosen religion.</p>
<p>How would you feel if there was prayer in school, but it was prayers to Allah or Shiva?  </p>
<p>If we allow prayers in the schools you can bet that there would be some &#8216;crazy&#8217; non-Christians who will want their own religions also represented &#8211; truly, it would be the &#8216;save Christmas&#8217;-type Christians who would be the most unhappy with the results if we ever did go back to having prayer in schools&#8230;because people like me (yep, one of those &#8216;crazies&#8217;) would make sure that more than just Christianity was represented.</p>
<p>I say the the <em>&#8216;save Christmas&#8217;-type Christians</em> because there are actually many Christians who do recognize that not everyone believes like they do and don&#8217;t have a problem with that (some of them are even friends of mine and don&#8217;t feel the need to try to convert me anymore than I do them, lol).  Like any group, its the loud intolerant ones within it that are making them all look bad.</p>
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		<title>By: hoverFrog</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/11/10/friend-or-foe-2009/#comment-398464</link>
		<dc:creator>hoverFrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Brannon, where did Christmas come from?  Hint: under other names it is more that 2000 years old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Brannon, where did Christmas come from?  Hint: under other names it is more that 2000 years old.</p>
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		<title>By: Brannon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look people, this is the Christmas season.  Without Christmas there would be none of this.  It didn&#039;t start out as holiday, paid time off, kids out of school being called Happy Holiday Time, this is all because of Christmas.  
People have every right to not do business with those who won&#039;t recognize what this time of year is all about.  They will take your money, that says &quot;In GOD We Trust&quot;, but they are scared to mention Christmas.  You also like to put everyone who believes this way in a group, they are all kooks right, well thats wrong.  Some of us are tired of having our traditions and way of life changed and altered because of a handfull that have problems with it.  Prayer was taken out of school because ONE atheist in California complained enough.  If you agree with prayer in school or not, how can it be ok to take away the rights and freedoms of the masses because of ONE or a handful.  You have your rights and we have ours.  You say Happy Holidays all you want in NYC and Cali, those of us in the rest of the country still believe in GOD and Jesus Christ.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look people, this is the Christmas season.  Without Christmas there would be none of this.  It didn&#8217;t start out as holiday, paid time off, kids out of school being called Happy Holiday Time, this is all because of Christmas.<br />
People have every right to not do business with those who won&#8217;t recognize what this time of year is all about.  They will take your money, that says &#8220;In GOD We Trust&#8221;, but they are scared to mention Christmas.  You also like to put everyone who believes this way in a group, they are all kooks right, well thats wrong.  Some of us are tired of having our traditions and way of life changed and altered because of a handfull that have problems with it.  Prayer was taken out of school because ONE atheist in California complained enough.  If you agree with prayer in school or not, how can it be ok to take away the rights and freedoms of the masses because of ONE or a handful.  You have your rights and we have ours.  You say Happy Holidays all you want in NYC and Cali, those of us in the rest of the country still believe in GOD and Jesus Christ.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: muggle</title>
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		<dc:creator>muggle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point on how secular it has become and I can&#039;t really get all that worked up about it (until they start with the mangers and such) but I do kind of prefer to keep Christ&#039;s name out of it.  All the more so because Christians stole it.  But it&#039;s not really a fighting word.  Yet, might become one if I think about it more and/or they keep making an issue of it.

Store clerk says it to me, I&#039;ll probably just smile back and say happy holidays just in case they (or more likely their employer) are caught up in the war on Christmas.

One reason I prefer happy holidays is that is all inclusive.  Jews must feel terribly alienated this time of year and it&#039;s a tough one to call.  Just because someone has a Jewish last name doesn&#039;t necessarily mean they celebrate Hannukah and don&#039;t celebrate Christmas.  My daughter and I decided way back when she still believed in Santa Claus that it was Happy Winter based on some school artwork she did for Easter that she labelled happy spring.  I thought that worked all around.  Since, unless you know the person well enough to know what they actually practice, you don&#039;t really know what the heck they celebrate, it&#039;s just politer to say happy holiday and celebrate life with all our fellow humans.  

Aren&#039;t they always proclaiming peace on earth this time of year?  Well, what promotes peace on earth, good will to all, more than being all inclusive?

So, yep, I&#039;ll stick with Happy Holidays.  I&#039;m tempted to say happy winter but since that even rarer than Merry Solstice, I&#039;ll say Happy Holidays, in the spirit of the season.  The only ones it will irritate are the ones who aren&#039;t wishing good will to all.  To them, a hearty Bah!  Humbug! is how they&#039;ll hear happy holidays and, well, what they deserve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point on how secular it has become and I can&#8217;t really get all that worked up about it (until they start with the mangers and such) but I do kind of prefer to keep Christ&#8217;s name out of it.  All the more so because Christians stole it.  But it&#8217;s not really a fighting word.  Yet, might become one if I think about it more and/or they keep making an issue of it.</p>
<p>Store clerk says it to me, I&#8217;ll probably just smile back and say happy holidays just in case they (or more likely their employer) are caught up in the war on Christmas.</p>
<p>One reason I prefer happy holidays is that is all inclusive.  Jews must feel terribly alienated this time of year and it&#8217;s a tough one to call.  Just because someone has a Jewish last name doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean they celebrate Hannukah and don&#8217;t celebrate Christmas.  My daughter and I decided way back when she still believed in Santa Claus that it was Happy Winter based on some school artwork she did for Easter that she labelled happy spring.  I thought that worked all around.  Since, unless you know the person well enough to know what they actually practice, you don&#8217;t really know what the heck they celebrate, it&#8217;s just politer to say happy holiday and celebrate life with all our fellow humans.  </p>
<p>Aren&#8217;t they always proclaiming peace on earth this time of year?  Well, what promotes peace on earth, good will to all, more than being all inclusive?</p>
<p>So, yep, I&#8217;ll stick with Happy Holidays.  I&#8217;m tempted to say happy winter but since that even rarer than Merry Solstice, I&#8217;ll say Happy Holidays, in the spirit of the season.  The only ones it will irritate are the ones who aren&#8217;t wishing good will to all.  To them, a hearty Bah!  Humbug! is how they&#8217;ll hear happy holidays and, well, what they deserve.</p>
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		<title>By: hoverFrog</title>
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		<dc:creator>hoverFrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think they&#039;ve missed the point at how secularized Christmas has become.  They co-opted an earlier festival and now secular society has taken it and stripped away anything religious that remains. I&#039;m thinking that maybe atheists should steal it completely.  I&#039;m going to make decorations of little red As to celebrate. ;)

Anecdotally to illustrate my point I was in a taxi the other day while and was lamenting the early prevalence of jingles and Xmas advertising (yes, I am a scrooge) and driver replied that the loved it even though he was a Muslim.  They get a tree and go the whole hog with presents and everything.  They even watch the Bond movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they&#8217;ve missed the point at how secularized Christmas has become.  They co-opted an earlier festival and now secular society has taken it and stripped away anything religious that remains. I&#8217;m thinking that maybe atheists should steal it completely.  I&#8217;m going to make decorations of little red As to celebrate. <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Anecdotally to illustrate my point I was in a taxi the other day while and was lamenting the early prevalence of jingles and Xmas advertising (yes, I am a scrooge) and driver replied that the loved it even though he was a Muslim.  They get a tree and go the whole hog with presents and everything.  They even watch the Bond movie.</p>
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		<title>By: AxeGrrl</title>
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		<dc:creator>AxeGrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Valdyr&lt;/strong&gt; wrote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;When are we going to start seeing a backlash against groups for using “liberty” and “freedom” in their name while being vehemently opposed to a variety of things that hurt no one and are in fact none of their damned business?&lt;/blockquote&gt;


amen!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Valdyr</strong> wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>When are we going to start seeing a backlash against groups for using “liberty” and “freedom” in their name while being vehemently opposed to a variety of things that hurt no one and are in fact none of their damned business?</p></blockquote>
<p>amen!</p>
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		<title>By: Polly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Polly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mara,

Question asked, answer received. I understand a little better.
Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mara,</p>
<p>Question asked, answer received. I understand a little better.<br />
Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Mara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Polly--Yeah, I actually do get a little offended at the assumption that obviously I *must* be celebrating Christmas, because &quot;everybody&quot; is. (I don&#039;t know any non-Christians who celebrate it. My Jewish family and friends certainly don&#039;t! Nor do the pagans, generally, unless they&#039;re stuck at home with Christian families.)

I happily say &quot;Merry Christmas&quot; to my Christian friends celebrating the holiday and I know they will wish me a Happy Hanukkah in return. But I don&#039;t need strangers making assumptions, thankyewverymuch.

If I could become a hermit for the month of December, I&#039;d be much happier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Polly&#8211;Yeah, I actually do get a little offended at the assumption that obviously I *must* be celebrating Christmas, because &#8220;everybody&#8221; is. (I don&#8217;t know any non-Christians who celebrate it. My Jewish family and friends certainly don&#8217;t! Nor do the pagans, generally, unless they&#8217;re stuck at home with Christian families.)</p>
<p>I happily say &#8220;Merry Christmas&#8221; to my Christian friends celebrating the holiday and I know they will wish me a Happy Hanukkah in return. But I don&#8217;t need strangers making assumptions, thankyewverymuch.</p>
<p>If I could become a hermit for the month of December, I&#8217;d be much happier.</p>
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		<title>By: chanson</title>
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		<dc:creator>chanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What if a store were to advertise &quot;Great Hanukkah and Holiday Gifts&quot; ?  Would they be on the &quot;naughty&quot; list?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if a store were to advertise &#8220;Great Hanukkah and Holiday Gifts&#8221; ?  Would they be on the &#8220;naughty&#8221; list?</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Angie--yes! haha, that would be awesome!

@Polly--I don&#039;t care what people tell me. I don&#039;t get offended at all. I actually still enjoy celebrating it (I grew up not celebrating Halloween because it was a &quot;pagan holiday.&quot; I am not going to do the opposite to my daughter just because Christmas is a &quot;religious&quot; holiday. Not trying to argue or convince anyone I&#039;m right, just giving my personal reasons for it.) However, I find the crusade to &quot;save&quot; Christmas highly annoying and ethnocentric and that is what I don&#039;t like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Angie&#8211;yes! haha, that would be awesome!</p>
<p>@Polly&#8211;I don&#8217;t care what people tell me. I don&#8217;t get offended at all. I actually still enjoy celebrating it (I grew up not celebrating Halloween because it was a &#8220;pagan holiday.&#8221; I am not going to do the opposite to my daughter just because Christmas is a &#8220;religious&#8221; holiday. Not trying to argue or convince anyone I&#8217;m right, just giving my personal reasons for it.) However, I find the crusade to &#8220;save&#8221; Christmas highly annoying and ethnocentric and that is what I don&#8217;t like.</p>
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