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	<title>Comments on: New Atheist Ad Design is NOT Anti-Christmas.  Really.</title>
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		<title>By: Kukaikid</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/11/25/new-atheist-ad-design-is-not-anti-christmas-really/#comment-818750</link>
		<dc:creator>Kukaikid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 20:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why try to ruin it?...perhaps it is worth ruining.  You are quite a hypocrite...is not the church the greatest proselytizer ever created, that further targets the youth into the proposition that goodness, morals, truth are all born of religous facts and certainty?  Shall we rape truth of the fundamental question and search?  We need not have steps for rejecting jesus as a god, it is common sense.  Your crying is shameful...christianity, islam, and judaism are religions of revenge, homophobia, sexism, and racism.  why?...study some history and philosophy and find out for yourself. perhaps you prefer to hide behind your false contentment, false compassion, false pity, and false beliefs.  They are easy to falsify, there is the shakiest ground for their their belief.  For myself I&#039;ll take the challenge of knowledge that continually searches for evidence, theory, and refinement. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why try to ruin it?&#8230;perhaps it is worth ruining.  You are quite a hypocrite&#8230;is not the church the greatest proselytizer ever created, that further targets the youth into the proposition that goodness, morals, truth are all born of religous facts and certainty?  Shall we rape truth of the fundamental question and search?  We need not have steps for rejecting jesus as a god, it is common sense.  Your crying is shameful&#8230;christianity, islam, and judaism are religions of revenge, homophobia, sexism, and racism.  why?&#8230;study some history and philosophy and find out for yourself. perhaps you prefer to hide behind your false contentment, false compassion, false pity, and false beliefs.  They are easy to falsify, there is the shakiest ground for their their belief.  For myself I&#8217;ll take the challenge of knowledge that continually searches for evidence, theory, and refinement. </p>
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		<title>By: Rosebud</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/11/25/new-atheist-ad-design-is-not-anti-christmas-really/#comment-601198</link>
		<dc:creator>Rosebud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Dec 2010 16:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the &quot;be good for goodness sake&quot; campaign.  It&#039;s a premises I&#039;ve always used when any asks me  what do I believe in if I&#039;m not religious. I tell them I try  to be religiously good and I depend on that same goodness that we all as  a society agree to abide. It&#039;s a implied  contract that we all ask and expect  of each other every day.  

The objection that seems to be coming up in all these comments is 
How do we  know what is  good or bad without a frame of an organized belief or religion.

We obviously know because in every   society we punish people everyday when we believe they&#039;ve crossed the line of good and bad

Sadly in most cases where there is no separation of church and state governments will deny human rights over unreasonable religious dogma

As Acura says in their slogan make this the &quot;season of reason&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the &#8220;be good for goodness sake&#8221; campaign.  It&#8217;s a premises I&#8217;ve always used when any asks me  what do I believe in if I&#8217;m not religious. I tell them I try  to be religiously good and I depend on that same goodness that we all as  a society agree to abide. It&#8217;s a implied  contract that we all ask and expect  of each other every day.  </p>
<p>The objection that seems to be coming up in all these comments is<br />
How do we  know what is  good or bad without a frame of an organized belief or religion.</p>
<p>We obviously know because in every   society we punish people everyday when we believe they&#8217;ve crossed the line of good and bad</p>
<p>Sadly in most cases where there is no separation of church and state governments will deny human rights over unreasonable religious dogma</p>
<p>As Acura says in their slogan make this the &#8220;season of reason&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jeniffer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeniffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why try to ruin Christmas for so many? American is a Christian country and freedom of speech or not – it&#039;s an outrage to blatantly try to ruin the holiday spirit for millions of people. These terrible people are proselytizing – isn&#039;t that what they&#039;re against? Look at this! &lt;a href=&quot;http://tictacdo.com/ttd/Become-an-Atheist&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tictacdo&lt;/a&gt; - step by step instructions on how to reject Jesus.  What a crying shame... targeting our youth directly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why try to ruin Christmas for so many? American is a Christian country and freedom of speech or not – it&#8217;s an outrage to blatantly try to ruin the holiday spirit for millions of people. These terrible people are proselytizing – isn&#8217;t that what they&#8217;re against? Look at this! <a href="http://tictacdo.com/ttd/Become-an-Atheist" rel="nofollow">Tictacdo</a> &#8211; step by step instructions on how to reject Jesus.  What a crying shame&#8230; targeting our youth directly.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 05:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This is mere propaganda that answers to an argument that no one has made. The claim is not that atheistic lack of morals but a lack of moral premise, lack of ethos.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;ve heard the argument many times, usually along the lines of &quot;if you don&#039;t get your morals from the bible, where do you think you get them from?&quot; Or, &quot;if you&#039;re not good, you&#039;re going to hell. Do you &lt;em&gt;want&lt;/em&gt; to go to hell?&quot;

Don&#039;t fool yourself that the question hasn&#039;t been asked. It&#039;s often the last refuge of the devout.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This is mere propaganda that answers to an argument that no one has made. The claim is not that atheistic lack of morals but a lack of moral premise, lack of ethos.
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<p>I&#8217;ve heard the argument many times, usually along the lines of &#8220;if you don&#8217;t get your morals from the bible, where do you think you get them from?&#8221; Or, &#8220;if you&#8217;re not good, you&#8217;re going to hell. Do you <em>want</em> to go to hell?&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t fool yourself that the question hasn&#8217;t been asked. It&#8217;s often the last refuge of the devout.</p>
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		<title>By: muggle</title>
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		<dc:creator>muggle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 00:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard, that gets my vote for next year.  Very nice and all-inclusive.  Except for maybe people in CA and FL.    :D

I love it!  And, yes, exactly.  Be good for it&#039;s own sake.  It&#039;s what I always taught my daughter and strive to teach my grandson also.

It&#039;s not too hard to figure out what makes life better and this world a more pleasant place to be in.  After all we only go around once when all is said and done.

And if it makes some notice that hey the Atheists aren&#039;t so bad as we thought, maybe my grandson (and his offspring, if any) won&#039;t have it as bad as they go around and I&#039;d love that for them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, that gets my vote for next year.  Very nice and all-inclusive.  Except for maybe people in CA and FL.    <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I love it!  And, yes, exactly.  Be good for it&#8217;s own sake.  It&#8217;s what I always taught my daughter and strive to teach my grandson also.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not too hard to figure out what makes life better and this world a more pleasant place to be in.  After all we only go around once when all is said and done.</p>
<p>And if it makes some notice that hey the Atheists aren&#8217;t so bad as we thought, maybe my grandson (and his offspring, if any) won&#8217;t have it as bad as they go around and I&#8217;d love that for them!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Wade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Proposed ad slogan for next year:
&lt;blockquote&gt;It&#039;s cold. Find warmth in your heart for everyone.
-American Humanist Association&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Proposed ad slogan for next year:</p>
<blockquote><p>It&#8217;s cold. Find warmth in your heart for everyone.<br />
-American Humanist Association</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 12:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... busses ...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; busses &#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: AxeGrrl</title>
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		<dc:creator>AxeGrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ObSciGuy wrote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Consider a third party that is supportive of both Christians and non-Christians. What message should they take away from all this fuss?
The ads should be kept “nice” not just to be civil (which itself should be enough reason), but also to make it plain as day that the only thing “offensive” in these ads is that they aren’t promoting Christianity (or whatever religion the offended belong to). It makes the intolerance obvious. That fact gets lost when an ad pokes fun at religion, as any offended believers then have a reason to label atheists offensive. Their intolerance, then, goes unnoticed.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


I think you&#039;ve nailed it right there :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ObSciGuy wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Consider a third party that is supportive of both Christians and non-Christians. What message should they take away from all this fuss?<br />
The ads should be kept “nice” not just to be civil (which itself should be enough reason), but also to make it plain as day that the only thing “offensive” in these ads is that they aren’t promoting Christianity (or whatever religion the offended belong to). It makes the intolerance obvious. That fact gets lost when an ad pokes fun at religion, as any offended believers then have a reason to label atheists offensive. Their intolerance, then, goes unnoticed.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think you&#8217;ve nailed it right there <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Richard Wade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Given the fact that people will take umbrage at things I consider harmless, should we bother to be polite? I think so.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, we should simply do exactly what the slogan in the ad says. Be good for goodness&#039; sake. Not to please or placate, not to avoid or mitigate some bigot&#039;s contrived &quot;offence,&quot; but just simply to follow our own humanist principles of behaving ethically, and showing kindness wherever we can. 

We should keep expressing our philosophy publicly because there are so many pious liars out there telling folks how evil we are.  Let them bluster and bellow against relentless good manners, and their pretentious &quot;outrage&quot; will become yesterday&#039;s news. Three more Christmas seasons of this, and nobody will be interviewed on TV whining about how their widdoo feewings were hurt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Given the fact that people will take umbrage at things I consider harmless, should we bother to be polite? I think so.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, we should simply do exactly what the slogan in the ad says. Be good for goodness&#8217; sake. Not to please or placate, not to avoid or mitigate some bigot&#8217;s contrived &#8220;offence,&#8221; but just simply to follow our own humanist principles of behaving ethically, and showing kindness wherever we can. </p>
<p>We should keep expressing our philosophy publicly because there are so many pious liars out there telling folks how evil we are.  Let them bluster and bellow against relentless good manners, and their pretentious &#8220;outrage&#8221; will become yesterday&#8217;s news. Three more Christmas seasons of this, and nobody will be interviewed on TV whining about how their widdoo feewings were hurt.</p>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I so &lt;b&gt;entirely&lt;/b&gt; agree with this post! 
We&#039;re coming up on the third Xmas as a definite Atheist, the second as a loud declared one. Really, I have found little-to-no resistance, and the only tears so far from the mother to me [I &#9829; the Russians], whom is otherwise an excellent lady.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I so <b>entirely</b> agree with this post!<br />
We&#8217;re coming up on the third Xmas as a definite Atheist, the second as a loud declared one. Really, I have found little-to-no resistance, and the only tears so far from the mother to me [I &hearts; the Russians], whom is otherwise an excellent lady.</p>
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