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	<title>Comments on: GOP Attacks Christmas Strawman</title>
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		<title>By: Dhes of Yuggoth</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/12/10/gop-attacks-christmas-strawman/#comment-439621</link>
		<dc:creator>Dhes of Yuggoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 16:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, legislation is, by nature, far more than just a &quot;mention in civic dialog,&quot; but even if one ignores the flagrant and glaring First Amendment issues in this little slice of (let&#039;s be frank) dogma, the phrase &quot;unconstitutionally vague&quot; comes to mind, as well (not that I&#039;m actually a lawyer or anything).  What exactly ARE the &quot;symbols of Christmas&quot;?  Seems to be that most of the candidates for this set of symbols rather vary depending on who you talk to, can be either very wide or very narrow, and few are actually exclusively either Christmas-oriented or exclusively Christian.  The only ones I can think of off-hand that fit into this with a Christian exclusivity of meaning is a nativity scene.

Personally, I think this thing raises about a zillion questions, and doesn&#039;t really answer any.  It&#039;s almost like a particularly petulant legislative form of, &quot;It&#039;s MY toy -- YOU can&#039;t play with it!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, legislation is, by nature, far more than just a &#8220;mention in civic dialog,&#8221; but even if one ignores the flagrant and glaring First Amendment issues in this little slice of (let&#8217;s be frank) dogma, the phrase &#8220;unconstitutionally vague&#8221; comes to mind, as well (not that I&#8217;m actually a lawyer or anything).  What exactly ARE the &#8220;symbols of Christmas&#8221;?  Seems to be that most of the candidates for this set of symbols rather vary depending on who you talk to, can be either very wide or very narrow, and few are actually exclusively either Christmas-oriented or exclusively Christian.  The only ones I can think of off-hand that fit into this with a Christian exclusivity of meaning is a nativity scene.</p>
<p>Personally, I think this thing raises about a zillion questions, and doesn&#8217;t really answer any.  It&#8217;s almost like a particularly petulant legislative form of, &#8220;It&#8217;s MY toy &#8212; YOU can&#8217;t play with it!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse Galef</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse Galef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Donalbain - 
&lt;blockquote&gt;
Whereas
Puppies are lovely

Whereas
Fluffy bunnies are cute

Let it be resolved that the US House or Representatives have nothing better to do with their times than this nonsense.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
So say we all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Donalbain &#8211; </p>
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Whereas<br />
Puppies are lovely</p>
<p>Whereas<br />
Fluffy bunnies are cute</p>
<p>Let it be resolved that the US House or Representatives have nothing better to do with their times than this nonsense.</p></blockquote>
<p>So say we all.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Whereas: Puppies are lovely

Whereas: Fluffy bunnies are cute

Let it be resolved that the US House or Representatives have nothing better to do with their times than this nonsense.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Amen to that! ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
Whereas: Puppies are lovely</p>
<p>Whereas: Fluffy bunnies are cute</p>
<p>Let it be resolved that the US House or Representatives have nothing better to do with their times than this nonsense.</p></blockquote>
<p>Amen to that! <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Donalbain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donalbain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 08:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whereas
Puppies are lovely

Whereas
Fluffy bunnies are cute

Let it be resolved that the US House or Representatives have nothing better to do with their times than this nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whereas<br />
Puppies are lovely</p>
<p>Whereas<br />
Fluffy bunnies are cute</p>
<p>Let it be resolved that the US House or Representatives have nothing better to do with their times than this nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: muggle</title>
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		<dc:creator>muggle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 22:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;expresses support for the use of these symbols and traditions by those who celebrate Christmas&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So how much time will I get for that 6 foot tree in my small apartment?  Since I&#039;m neither Christian nor Pagan.

Hover Frog, then he must be Santa&#039;s evil twin.  Somehow, I don&#039;t think the jolly old elf would approve.  Someone&#039;s moving to the naughty list being so divisive at Christmas time.

Though, lol, that brings to mind yet another cute grandkid story (I&#039;ve only been a grandmother for six years and I&#039;ve got a million of them, folks, you are warned, feel free to skip if you&#039;re getting nauseated) where I work, when I started the job, the security guard at the post outside my office was the spitting image of Santa, beard and all albeit a thinner, shorter beard and shorter hair (he was a security guard, they have regulations).  I brought my grandson in for take your kid to work day a couple years ago when he was four.  He whispered to me in my office after I introduced them, he looks like Santa.  

Well, Don was also rather jolly like Santa and we were good friends so I got him to play along at being Santa&#039;s cousin (even though he swore he never impersonated Santa because the one time he did he wound up married; they still are, btw, over 20 years later) and we showed the grandson the security cameras and told him, &quot;That&#039;s how Santa does it, how he sees you when you&#039;re naughty, how he knows if you&#039;ve been bad or good, asleep or awake.&quot;  Grandson was duly impressed.

Oh, &quot;God&quot;, I&#039;m gonna burn in &quot;hell&quot;.  

Don had to retire due to complications from diabetes unfortunately so the game is up on the security cameras but grandson&#039;s off to see Santa at the mall just as eagerly.  I think he&#039;s a bit Agnostic about Santa but still clinging to the &quot;faith&quot; this year, not being brave enough to ask obvious questions.  Better enjoy it while he still has a half-way belief.  He&#039;s getting his Barricade and Raggedy Ann and a Nintendo DS (and the family Mom works for is giving her games they no longer want), that&#039;ll clinch his &quot;faith&quot; this year.

Santa is the best lesson in freethought a kid ever got.  Guess I&#039;ll do jail time for that one too.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>expresses support for the use of these symbols and traditions by those who celebrate Christmas</p></blockquote>
<p>So how much time will I get for that 6 foot tree in my small apartment?  Since I&#8217;m neither Christian nor Pagan.</p>
<p>Hover Frog, then he must be Santa&#8217;s evil twin.  Somehow, I don&#8217;t think the jolly old elf would approve.  Someone&#8217;s moving to the naughty list being so divisive at Christmas time.</p>
<p>Though, lol, that brings to mind yet another cute grandkid story (I&#8217;ve only been a grandmother for six years and I&#8217;ve got a million of them, folks, you are warned, feel free to skip if you&#8217;re getting nauseated) where I work, when I started the job, the security guard at the post outside my office was the spitting image of Santa, beard and all albeit a thinner, shorter beard and shorter hair (he was a security guard, they have regulations).  I brought my grandson in for take your kid to work day a couple years ago when he was four.  He whispered to me in my office after I introduced them, he looks like Santa.  </p>
<p>Well, Don was also rather jolly like Santa and we were good friends so I got him to play along at being Santa&#8217;s cousin (even though he swore he never impersonated Santa because the one time he did he wound up married; they still are, btw, over 20 years later) and we showed the grandson the security cameras and told him, &#8220;That&#8217;s how Santa does it, how he sees you when you&#8217;re naughty, how he knows if you&#8217;ve been bad or good, asleep or awake.&#8221;  Grandson was duly impressed.</p>
<p>Oh, &#8220;God&#8221;, I&#8217;m gonna burn in &#8220;hell&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Don had to retire due to complications from diabetes unfortunately so the game is up on the security cameras but grandson&#8217;s off to see Santa at the mall just as eagerly.  I think he&#8217;s a bit Agnostic about Santa but still clinging to the &#8220;faith&#8221; this year, not being brave enough to ask obvious questions.  Better enjoy it while he still has a half-way belief.  He&#8217;s getting his Barricade and Raggedy Ann and a Nintendo DS (and the family Mom works for is giving her games they no longer want), that&#8217;ll clinch his &#8220;faith&#8221; this year.</p>
<p>Santa is the best lesson in freethought a kid ever got.  Guess I&#8217;ll do jail time for that one too.  <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: hoverFrog</title>
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		<dc:creator>hoverFrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I the Coca Cola Corporation putting pressure on the GOP?  Coke have invested a lot of money in selling Santa and associating their product with the red suited fat guy.  I can see why they&#039;d want it protected.

Personally I am more impressed by Rep Henry Brown&#039;s amazing hair than by the bill.  Santa would be proud to have hair like that.  My doesn&#039;t Brown grow a full beard to go with it?  Surely I&#039;m not the only one to see the resemblance?  Heavy set elderly fellow, white hair, smiley face, ruddy complexion, red clothing.  Has anyone heard him laugh?  Ho ho ho.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I the Coca Cola Corporation putting pressure on the GOP?  Coke have invested a lot of money in selling Santa and associating their product with the red suited fat guy.  I can see why they&#8217;d want it protected.</p>
<p>Personally I am more impressed by Rep Henry Brown&#8217;s amazing hair than by the bill.  Santa would be proud to have hair like that.  My doesn&#8217;t Brown grow a full beard to go with it?  Surely I&#8217;m not the only one to see the resemblance?  Heavy set elderly fellow, white hair, smiley face, ruddy complexion, red clothing.  Has anyone heard him laugh?  Ho ho ho.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;    Really, this is nothing to get your hackles up about, because it has no real legal ramifications. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I disagree. It’s a blatant waste of resources by people who claim to be fiscally responsible. Instead of trying to find real solutions for the people they represent, they’re using taxpayer funds to pander to them (it may not be much, but it does show where their true loyalties lie).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Absolutely. I was simply saying that this is nothing to worry about legally. It&#039;s unbelievable (kind of) that politicians would waste time on stuff like this with all the other problems we&#039;re facing these days. By all means, complain to your congressmen about such a waste of time and resources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>    Really, this is nothing to get your hackles up about, because it has no real legal ramifications. </p></blockquote>
<p>I disagree. It’s a blatant waste of resources by people who claim to be fiscally responsible. Instead of trying to find real solutions for the people they represent, they’re using taxpayer funds to pander to them (it may not be much, but it does show where their true loyalties lie).</p></blockquote>
<p>Absolutely. I was simply saying that this is nothing to worry about legally. It&#8217;s unbelievable (kind of) that politicians would waste time on stuff like this with all the other problems we&#8217;re facing these days. By all means, complain to your congressmen about such a waste of time and resources.</p>
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		<title>By: Luther</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;the symbols and traditions of Christmas should be protected for use by those who celebrate Christmas.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

A strict interpretation of this would preempt others from using and decorating trees - taking the solstice symbol away.  Perhaps some of the bus adds using the red and white hats could be construed as christian symbols.

On the other hand they can completely keep &quot;Greed&quot;, one of the most enduring symbols of Christmas.

Perhaps we could support a suit, if Santa is spotted with any symbol of Christmas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>the symbols and traditions of Christmas should be protected for use by those who celebrate Christmas.</p></blockquote>
<p>A strict interpretation of this would preempt others from using and decorating trees &#8211; taking the solstice symbol away.  Perhaps some of the bus adds using the red and white hats could be construed as christian symbols.</p>
<p>On the other hand they can completely keep &#8220;Greed&#8221;, one of the most enduring symbols of Christmas.</p>
<p>Perhaps we could support a suit, if Santa is spotted with any symbol of Christmas.</p>
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		<title>By: ckitching</title>
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		<dc:creator>ckitching</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Really, this is nothing to get your hackles up about, because it has no real legal ramifications. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
I disagree.  It&#039;s a blatant waste of resources by people who claim to be fiscally responsible.  Instead of trying to find real solutions for the people they represent, they&#039;re using taxpayer funds to pander to them (it may not be much, but it does show where their true loyalties lie).

For all the effort people go through to criticize atheist organizations and individuals who challenge minor religious icons, this should be a much larger affront.  This thing is superfluous, and has no teeth, and is therefore a complete waste of time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Really, this is nothing to get your hackles up about, because it has no real legal ramifications. </p></blockquote>
<p>I disagree.  It&#8217;s a blatant waste of resources by people who claim to be fiscally responsible.  Instead of trying to find real solutions for the people they represent, they&#8217;re using taxpayer funds to pander to them (it may not be much, but it does show where their true loyalties lie).</p>
<p>For all the effort people go through to criticize atheist organizations and individuals who challenge minor religious icons, this should be a much larger affront.  This thing is superfluous, and has no teeth, and is therefore a complete waste of time.</p>
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		<title>By: BeamStalk</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeamStalk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baconsbud, the name Christmas, it is taken from Christ&#039;s mass, and the nativity scene.  That is all I can think of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baconsbud, the name Christmas, it is taken from Christ&#8217;s mass, and the nativity scene.  That is all I can think of.</p>
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