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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/12/11/can-we-get-an-atheist-on-the-supreme-court/#comment-411321</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 02:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I tried to illustrate earlier, what the court has done goes way beyond merely applying the original principles to situations the people who rote the documents didn&#039;t foresee. If you had asked anyone associated with the creation of the 14th amendment whether it made the first amendments protection of freedom of religion applicable to state governments, they would have understood the question perfectly, and would have told you in no uncertain terms that it did not. If you had asked them whether the 14th amendment meant that the government couldn&#039;t throw men in jail for having sex with other men, they would not only have told you it did not, they would have been appalled by the idea that their amendment could be used in such a way. If we want the bill of rights to apply to the states, or segregated schools to be illegal, or any of a hundred other important things, and we want to be honest and acknowledge the facts of history at the same time, then there is no alternative, we must acknowledge that the job of the supreme court is to make such law, and that the law it makes often flatly contradicts the intentions of the people who wrote, passed, and ratified the relevant portions of the constitution. 

It&#039;s certainly true that the supreme court is not guaranteed to always make the right decisions. I can think of several instances in which they did stupidly wrong things. But the elected members of the other two branches of our government screw up a fair amount too. The fact that the supreme court justices hold their seats for life means that they are able to do things that the other branches can&#039;t. And if they have the power to do something  important (like integrating public schools) and choose not to because the constitution doesn&#039;t tell them they should, if they refuse to do what they know is right because of what a few dead white men did or didn&#039;t write centuries ago, then I say they are cowards unworthy of the robes they wear. The problem with a supreme court that restricts itself to what a document says (whether that is understood to be original historical meaning or not) is that it creates a disconnect between the decisions the court makes and the effects of those decisions on real people. And that disconnect can result in the court making bad decisions as often as good ones. It defeats the point of having a supreme court in the first place. A court that merely interprets a document makes its decisions totally blind to the  effects of those decisions, and that is unacceptable to me.

We can see the legal stupidity that results from courts pretending not to make policy if we look at  the various creationism cases. In every case, creationism looses only because it is religious. It doesn&#039;t matter whether it is good science or not. It just matters whether we can show that the other guys are motivated by their religious beliefs. We&#039;ve won on that in the past because the creationists have always been really stupid and left obvious signs of the connection between their &quot;science&quot; and religion. But what happens if a creationist comes along who is smart enough not to connect his version of creationism to religion? I know, it&#039;s not very likely, but it could happen. Based on the way the law sits now it looks like he would win. What we need are courts that are willing to prohibit the teaching of creationism because it is bad science. We need the law to reflect the fact that the religiousness of creationism is not the reason it shouldn&#039;t be taught. And there is no basis in the constitution for doing that, and there is no way  a legislature will ever do it.

Here&#039;s the big question: is segregation wrong because the 14th amendment forbids it, or do we make the 14th amendment forbid it because it is wrong? If the former, then the constitution loses all moral authority. Some of it is right and some of it is wrong, just like any other document written by men. There&#039;s no reason we should care what it says. We aren&#039;t slaves to men who died centuries ago. If the later, then you are admitting that the court is in the policy making business.

To put this in more contemporary terms, if we are to go with any reasonable interpretation of the constitution, then justice Scalia is absolutely right when he says to homosexuals &quot;If you want your rights protected, if you want to not lose your job because of your sexual orientation, if you want to not be thrown in jail because of who you love, you&#039;ve come to the wrong place. You should walk down the street and ask congress, because there is nothing in the constitution that protects you.&quot; And if that is what the constitution says, then I say to hell with the constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I tried to illustrate earlier, what the court has done goes way beyond merely applying the original principles to situations the people who rote the documents didn&#8217;t foresee. If you had asked anyone associated with the creation of the 14th amendment whether it made the first amendments protection of freedom of religion applicable to state governments, they would have understood the question perfectly, and would have told you in no uncertain terms that it did not. If you had asked them whether the 14th amendment meant that the government couldn&#8217;t throw men in jail for having sex with other men, they would not only have told you it did not, they would have been appalled by the idea that their amendment could be used in such a way. If we want the bill of rights to apply to the states, or segregated schools to be illegal, or any of a hundred other important things, and we want to be honest and acknowledge the facts of history at the same time, then there is no alternative, we must acknowledge that the job of the supreme court is to make such law, and that the law it makes often flatly contradicts the intentions of the people who wrote, passed, and ratified the relevant portions of the constitution. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s certainly true that the supreme court is not guaranteed to always make the right decisions. I can think of several instances in which they did stupidly wrong things. But the elected members of the other two branches of our government screw up a fair amount too. The fact that the supreme court justices hold their seats for life means that they are able to do things that the other branches can&#8217;t. And if they have the power to do something  important (like integrating public schools) and choose not to because the constitution doesn&#8217;t tell them they should, if they refuse to do what they know is right because of what a few dead white men did or didn&#8217;t write centuries ago, then I say they are cowards unworthy of the robes they wear. The problem with a supreme court that restricts itself to what a document says (whether that is understood to be original historical meaning or not) is that it creates a disconnect between the decisions the court makes and the effects of those decisions on real people. And that disconnect can result in the court making bad decisions as often as good ones. It defeats the point of having a supreme court in the first place. A court that merely interprets a document makes its decisions totally blind to the  effects of those decisions, and that is unacceptable to me.</p>
<p>We can see the legal stupidity that results from courts pretending not to make policy if we look at  the various creationism cases. In every case, creationism looses only because it is religious. It doesn&#8217;t matter whether it is good science or not. It just matters whether we can show that the other guys are motivated by their religious beliefs. We&#8217;ve won on that in the past because the creationists have always been really stupid and left obvious signs of the connection between their &#8220;science&#8221; and religion. But what happens if a creationist comes along who is smart enough not to connect his version of creationism to religion? I know, it&#8217;s not very likely, but it could happen. Based on the way the law sits now it looks like he would win. What we need are courts that are willing to prohibit the teaching of creationism because it is bad science. We need the law to reflect the fact that the religiousness of creationism is not the reason it shouldn&#8217;t be taught. And there is no basis in the constitution for doing that, and there is no way  a legislature will ever do it.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the big question: is segregation wrong because the 14th amendment forbids it, or do we make the 14th amendment forbid it because it is wrong? If the former, then the constitution loses all moral authority. Some of it is right and some of it is wrong, just like any other document written by men. There&#8217;s no reason we should care what it says. We aren&#8217;t slaves to men who died centuries ago. If the later, then you are admitting that the court is in the policy making business.</p>
<p>To put this in more contemporary terms, if we are to go with any reasonable interpretation of the constitution, then justice Scalia is absolutely right when he says to homosexuals &#8220;If you want your rights protected, if you want to not lose your job because of your sexual orientation, if you want to not be thrown in jail because of who you love, you&#8217;ve come to the wrong place. You should walk down the street and ask congress, because there is nothing in the constitution that protects you.&#8221; And if that is what the constitution says, then I say to hell with the constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: BrettH</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrettH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 01:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Applying the law as written to a modern situation isn&#039;t really either of those options.  For example, applying the first amendment to radio broadcasts isn&#039;t exactly what the authors intended, since they had no idea radio was coming.  It seems significant to me that it&#039;s a logical extension of what they wrote.  In the same way, the 14th amendment might not have been designed to end segregation, but that doesn&#039;t mean enforcing it wouldn&#039;t require changes the authors hadn&#039;t thought of.  I think it&#039;s a nice idea to have 9 people looking out for us and making sure congress doesn&#039;t make bad laws, but we simply have no way of guaranteeing that the court is actually well meaning or well informed since they have life appointments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Applying the law as written to a modern situation isn&#8217;t really either of those options.  For example, applying the first amendment to radio broadcasts isn&#8217;t exactly what the authors intended, since they had no idea radio was coming.  It seems significant to me that it&#8217;s a logical extension of what they wrote.  In the same way, the 14th amendment might not have been designed to end segregation, but that doesn&#8217;t mean enforcing it wouldn&#8217;t require changes the authors hadn&#8217;t thought of.  I think it&#8217;s a nice idea to have 9 people looking out for us and making sure congress doesn&#8217;t make bad laws, but we simply have no way of guaranteeing that the court is actually well meaning or well informed since they have life appointments.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BrettH,

I&#039;m not sure I  understand what you think the court is supposed to do. You don&#039;t think it should go with what was intended by the people who wrote, passed, and ratified the document. You don&#039;t think it should make the best policy decision it can. What else is there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BrettH,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure I  understand what you think the court is supposed to do. You don&#8217;t think it should go with what was intended by the people who wrote, passed, and ratified the document. You don&#8217;t think it should make the best policy decision it can. What else is there?</p>
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		<title>By: BrettH</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrettH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 08:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank:  You&#039;re right that the word privacy doesn&#039;t appear in the constitution.  Personally I&#039;m not 100% convinced that we have it as a constitutional right, but I&#039;ve heard good arguments that the bill of rights implies it in the same way the first amendment more obviously implies freedom of expression.  As far as it&#039;s implications on abortion, I&#039;m not sure I actually do agree with applying privacy to the issue, although apparently Ginsburg wrote a concurring opinion that used different justification that I might like a bit better.  I&#039;m pro choice, but it still makes me nervous that it looks to me like the court might have ignored its job for a while and done what they thought was right.  They might have been right on that issue from a moral standpoint, but I&#039;m pretty sure with the two new Bush appointees on the court the constitution is the only thing protecting me from some rulings I really wouldn&#039;t like.  As far as segregation, just because they didn&#039;t intend to make it illegal with the 14th amendment doesn&#039;t mean it wasn&#039;t a correct application of it.  The problem with the court deciding policy isn&#039;t that they aren&#039;t right a lot of the time, I think they have a better record that average citizens would, it&#039;s keeping checks and balances in place in case we get 9 people on the court that wouldn&#039;t make good decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank:  You&#8217;re right that the word privacy doesn&#8217;t appear in the constitution.  Personally I&#8217;m not 100% convinced that we have it as a constitutional right, but I&#8217;ve heard good arguments that the bill of rights implies it in the same way the first amendment more obviously implies freedom of expression.  As far as it&#8217;s implications on abortion, I&#8217;m not sure I actually do agree with applying privacy to the issue, although apparently Ginsburg wrote a concurring opinion that used different justification that I might like a bit better.  I&#8217;m pro choice, but it still makes me nervous that it looks to me like the court might have ignored its job for a while and done what they thought was right.  They might have been right on that issue from a moral standpoint, but I&#8217;m pretty sure with the two new Bush appointees on the court the constitution is the only thing protecting me from some rulings I really wouldn&#8217;t like.  As far as segregation, just because they didn&#8217;t intend to make it illegal with the 14th amendment doesn&#8217;t mean it wasn&#8217;t a correct application of it.  The problem with the court deciding policy isn&#8217;t that they aren&#8217;t right a lot of the time, I think they have a better record that average citizens would, it&#8217;s keeping checks and balances in place in case we get 9 people on the court that wouldn&#8217;t make good decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: False Prophet</title>
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		<dc:creator>False Prophet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think hieronymous has it right: religious divide isn&#039;t as important as political divide.  In the US, conservative Catholics tend to side with conservatives on political issues, and liberal Catholics tend to side with liberals.  This is even when Church doctrine is in opposition to the politics.  

Thus conservative Catholics often support laissez-faire capitalism, capital punishment, and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.  All things the Church has stood against.  They also tend to side with creationists (even though the Church has no problems with evolution), and some seem to express theological views closer to evangelical conservatives than Catholicism.  Erik Prince, CEO of Blackwater (now Xe) and Catholic convert, sat on a board where all members had to swear an oath that the Bible was the only true, unerring Word of God.  That is getting close to heresy for a Catholic.

Meanwhile, liberal Catholics are often pro-choice, pro-birth control, and many are tolerant of gay marriage, all positions in opposition to Church teachings.

Most Western Catholics on all sides of the political spectrum are &quot;cafeteria Catholics&quot;, and are basically Catholics due to cultural inculcation, not a real understanding of their faith.  Most Catholics don&#039;t really understand the theology of their Church, and most don&#039;t go out of their way to amend that either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think hieronymous has it right: religious divide isn&#8217;t as important as political divide.  In the US, conservative Catholics tend to side with conservatives on political issues, and liberal Catholics tend to side with liberals.  This is even when Church doctrine is in opposition to the politics.  </p>
<p>Thus conservative Catholics often support laissez-faire capitalism, capital punishment, and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.  All things the Church has stood against.  They also tend to side with creationists (even though the Church has no problems with evolution), and some seem to express theological views closer to evangelical conservatives than Catholicism.  Erik Prince, CEO of Blackwater (now Xe) and Catholic convert, sat on a board where all members had to swear an oath that the Bible was the only true, unerring Word of God.  That is getting close to heresy for a Catholic.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, liberal Catholics are often pro-choice, pro-birth control, and many are tolerant of gay marriage, all positions in opposition to Church teachings.</p>
<p>Most Western Catholics on all sides of the political spectrum are &#8220;cafeteria Catholics&#8221;, and are basically Catholics due to cultural inculcation, not a real understanding of their faith.  Most Catholics don&#8217;t really understand the theology of their Church, and most don&#8217;t go out of their way to amend that either.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BrettH, I am quite familiar with how our government is supposed to work, and I never suggested that the supreme court should be the only or even the primary policy making body. All three branches have important roles to play in making policy. But there are cases where the elected officials in the other two branches are unable or unwilling to do the right thing, and that&#039;s why it&#039;s important to have an unelected branch that can step in in those cases. 

What would be disastrous would be for the court to do nothing but go with the original intent of the constitution, as justices Scalia and Thomas try to do. The word &quot;privacy&quot; doesn&#039;t appear anywhere in the constitution, there is no broad protection of it written into the  document. All the constitution talks about is unreasonable searches and seizures. There&#039;s certainly nothing in the document that was intended to protect a womans right to get an abortion. And those individual rights the bill of rights talks about, they were only ever intended to apply against the federal government, not the states. &quot;Congress shall make no law...&quot;, remember? The 14th amendment has been used to apply essentially all of the bill of rights to the states, but the people who wrote, passed, and ratified the 14th amendment never dreamed it could be used to extend the federal bill of rights to the state governments. They certainly never thought they were protecting homosexual conduct, even though the amendment has been used for that (see Lawrence v Texas). Heck, they didn&#039;t even think they were prohibiting segregated schools. Do you really think the court was wrong in Brown v Board? These are the historical facts we have to deal with, if you really think the supreme court should be trying to figure out the original intent of the constitution, this is what you are asking for.

Another problem with trying to figure out original intent is that an original intent doesn&#039;t necessarily exist to be found. There is a great section on why legislative intent is an incoherent notion in justice Scalia&#039;s dissenting opinion in Edwards v Aguilllard, and the problem doesn&#039;t go away when we consider legislatures that met centuries rather than years ago.

Finally, if you want to see the extreme of silliness that a supreme court opinion can become when they insist on doing the right thing and pretending to follow the constitution at the same time, I suggest you read the opinion in Griswald v Connecticut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BrettH, I am quite familiar with how our government is supposed to work, and I never suggested that the supreme court should be the only or even the primary policy making body. All three branches have important roles to play in making policy. But there are cases where the elected officials in the other two branches are unable or unwilling to do the right thing, and that&#8217;s why it&#8217;s important to have an unelected branch that can step in in those cases. </p>
<p>What would be disastrous would be for the court to do nothing but go with the original intent of the constitution, as justices Scalia and Thomas try to do. The word &#8220;privacy&#8221; doesn&#8217;t appear anywhere in the constitution, there is no broad protection of it written into the  document. All the constitution talks about is unreasonable searches and seizures. There&#8217;s certainly nothing in the document that was intended to protect a womans right to get an abortion. And those individual rights the bill of rights talks about, they were only ever intended to apply against the federal government, not the states. &#8220;Congress shall make no law&#8230;&#8221;, remember? The 14th amendment has been used to apply essentially all of the bill of rights to the states, but the people who wrote, passed, and ratified the 14th amendment never dreamed it could be used to extend the federal bill of rights to the state governments. They certainly never thought they were protecting homosexual conduct, even though the amendment has been used for that (see Lawrence v Texas). Heck, they didn&#8217;t even think they were prohibiting segregated schools. Do you really think the court was wrong in Brown v Board? These are the historical facts we have to deal with, if you really think the supreme court should be trying to figure out the original intent of the constitution, this is what you are asking for.</p>
<p>Another problem with trying to figure out original intent is that an original intent doesn&#8217;t necessarily exist to be found. There is a great section on why legislative intent is an incoherent notion in justice Scalia&#8217;s dissenting opinion in Edwards v Aguilllard, and the problem doesn&#8217;t go away when we consider legislatures that met centuries rather than years ago.</p>
<p>Finally, if you want to see the extreme of silliness that a supreme court opinion can become when they insist on doing the right thing and pretending to follow the constitution at the same time, I suggest you read the opinion in Griswald v Connecticut.</p>
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		<title>By: BrettH</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrettH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 08:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank, I think you&#039;re very confused about the way our government is supposed to work.  Having the supreme court take on that kind of role would be disastrous.  For one thing it would make Congress and the President redundant, and if the president (whose only significant job would be appointing justices) were to make the wrong choice, we would be stuck with it for the life of the justice.  The three branches are there for a reason, and it&#039;s not the Judicial branches job to start claiming the powers of the other two.

Individual rights, privacy and church/state separation are all constitutional issues, and because of the amendment system not all the relevant rules are 200 years old.  If you want a justice that will make atheist friendly rulings, all you need to do is get one that will interpret the intent of the constitution instead of taking it upon his/herself to make good policy.  The constitution is on our side.  Public opinion isn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, I think you&#8217;re very confused about the way our government is supposed to work.  Having the supreme court take on that kind of role would be disastrous.  For one thing it would make Congress and the President redundant, and if the president (whose only significant job would be appointing justices) were to make the wrong choice, we would be stuck with it for the life of the justice.  The three branches are there for a reason, and it&#8217;s not the Judicial branches job to start claiming the powers of the other two.</p>
<p>Individual rights, privacy and church/state separation are all constitutional issues, and because of the amendment system not all the relevant rules are 200 years old.  If you want a justice that will make atheist friendly rulings, all you need to do is get one that will interpret the intent of the constitution instead of taking it upon his/herself to make good policy.  The constitution is on our side.  Public opinion isn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 02:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Muggle,

Please let&#039;s not delude ourselves into thinking that such a thing as &quot;constitutionality&quot; exists independent of the case law that exists at a particular point in time. It doesn&#039;t. On the day before the supreme court announced its decision in Brown v. Board, separate but equal was every bit as constitutional as breathing. When the court decided Brown v. Board, they weren&#039;t thinking about whether segregated schools were consistent with a single sentence written nearly a century before and they weren&#039;t thinking about existing case law. They were thinking about what was morally right, about what was best for the country, about how they could make the best public policy they could, because that is their job. The last person I want sitting on the supreme court is someone who thinks supreme court cases are about what a two hundred year old document says. I want supreme court justices to be biased in favor of individual rights, I want them to be biased in favor of church/state separation, I want them to be biased in favor of privacy, I want them to be biased in a thousand other ways.

I actually watched several days worth of the Sotomayor hearings, and I was appalled by the fact that the senators weren&#039;t doing their jobs. They were letting her get away with not answering any of the important questions. They confirmed her without having any idea whether she is capable of making a policy decision or not. And if she isn&#039;t, this country is going to be stuck with a series of bad decisions from her for decades to come. That is why the supreme court can&#039;t survive as an institution if this country doesn&#039;t learn to accept and discuss the fact that it is a policy making body, just like any other branch of government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Muggle,</p>
<p>Please let&#8217;s not delude ourselves into thinking that such a thing as &#8220;constitutionality&#8221; exists independent of the case law that exists at a particular point in time. It doesn&#8217;t. On the day before the supreme court announced its decision in Brown v. Board, separate but equal was every bit as constitutional as breathing. When the court decided Brown v. Board, they weren&#8217;t thinking about whether segregated schools were consistent with a single sentence written nearly a century before and they weren&#8217;t thinking about existing case law. They were thinking about what was morally right, about what was best for the country, about how they could make the best public policy they could, because that is their job. The last person I want sitting on the supreme court is someone who thinks supreme court cases are about what a two hundred year old document says. I want supreme court justices to be biased in favor of individual rights, I want them to be biased in favor of church/state separation, I want them to be biased in favor of privacy, I want them to be biased in a thousand other ways.</p>
<p>I actually watched several days worth of the Sotomayor hearings, and I was appalled by the fact that the senators weren&#8217;t doing their jobs. They were letting her get away with not answering any of the important questions. They confirmed her without having any idea whether she is capable of making a policy decision or not. And if she isn&#8217;t, this country is going to be stuck with a series of bad decisions from her for decades to come. That is why the supreme court can&#8217;t survive as an institution if this country doesn&#8217;t learn to accept and discuss the fact that it is a policy making body, just like any other branch of government.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 00:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Is it clear that there is not an atheist on the Court?&quot;

That&#039;s probably the best question here. There are likely agnostics or atheists on the Supreme Court, many in Congress, and several who have been President, but how many of them have been honest?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Is it clear that there is not an atheist on the Court?&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s probably the best question here. There are likely agnostics or atheists on the Supreme Court, many in Congress, and several who have been President, but how many of them have been honest?</p>
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		<title>By: Luther</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I think most judges do a fairly good job of making decisions irregardless of any overt religious bias &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Probably.  Unfortunately &quot;most judges&quot; are not on the Supreme Court.  We will see.</description>
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<p>Probably.  Unfortunately &#8220;most judges&#8221; are not on the Supreme Court.  We will see.</p>
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