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	<title>Comments on: New Solstice Display Goes Up in Raleigh, North Carolina</title>
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		<title>By: Daylight Atheism &#62; A Very Merry Atheist Christmas</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/12/20/new-solstice-display-goes-up-in-raleigh-north-carolina/#comment-416725</link>
		<dc:creator>Daylight Atheism &#62; A Very Merry Atheist Christmas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 17:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Yet another atheist holiday display I missed when I first wrote this: Friendly Atheist has the scoop on a superb display in Raleigh, North Carolina, courtesy of the Triangle Freethought Society. The best part is the display&#8217;s explanation of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Yet another atheist holiday display I missed when I first wrote this: Friendly Atheist has the scoop on a superb display in Raleigh, North Carolina, courtesy of the Triangle Freethought Society. The best part is the display&#8217;s explanation of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Eshu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eshu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the confrontation issue.

We &lt;em&gt;should not&lt;/em&gt; be worrying how our signs are received by fundamentalists. They are a lost cause. They only know how to be offended and angry. Don&#039;t waste your time listening to their whining.

We &lt;em&gt;should&lt;/em&gt; we concerned about how the signs are received by liberal/agnostic believers. If the signs offend or upset them, rather than making them think, then we have wasted our effort and maybe even harmed our cause.

IMO, honest thoughtful signs like the one above strike the right balance. Fundies will of course be outraged, but liberal believers will see how simple and reasonable the sign is, making the fundies look ridiculous for flipping out.

If we put up signs that are rude and offensive to even the most reasonable believers, there&#039;s a danger that the fundies may seem sensible and decent by comparison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the confrontation issue.</p>
<p>We <em>should not</em> be worrying how our signs are received by fundamentalists. They are a lost cause. They only know how to be offended and angry. Don&#8217;t waste your time listening to their whining.</p>
<p>We <em>should</em> we concerned about how the signs are received by liberal/agnostic believers. If the signs offend or upset them, rather than making them think, then we have wasted our effort and maybe even harmed our cause.</p>
<p>IMO, honest thoughtful signs like the one above strike the right balance. Fundies will of course be outraged, but liberal believers will see how simple and reasonable the sign is, making the fundies look ridiculous for flipping out.</p>
<p>If we put up signs that are rude and offensive to even the most reasonable believers, there&#8217;s a danger that the fundies may seem sensible and decent by comparison.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristopia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristopia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 04:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the sign is great.  And frankly, it&#039;s only confrontational to those who believe the mythology of Jesus.  It SHOULD be confrontational - it was this kind of thing that made me, as a former fundamentalist christian minister, start thinking critically and studying in order to &quot;fight the enemy.&quot;  That study is what led me to rational thought and out of the fairy tale.

I live in the Triangle area of NC (Raleigh/Durham), and I&#039;m joining the freethinkers group.  I was pleased to find an atheist social meetup as well on meetup.com for the area - it&#039;s over 500 members strong.  We can have a voice, too, and Christians shouldn&#039;t have a corner on using city property to display their message.

Oh, by the way, they thought ahead about possible offense and desecration of the sign - there are backups ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the sign is great.  And frankly, it&#8217;s only confrontational to those who believe the mythology of Jesus.  It SHOULD be confrontational &#8211; it was this kind of thing that made me, as a former fundamentalist christian minister, start thinking critically and studying in order to &#8220;fight the enemy.&#8221;  That study is what led me to rational thought and out of the fairy tale.</p>
<p>I live in the Triangle area of NC (Raleigh/Durham), and I&#8217;m joining the freethinkers group.  I was pleased to find an atheist social meetup as well on meetup.com for the area &#8211; it&#8217;s over 500 members strong.  We can have a voice, too, and Christians shouldn&#8217;t have a corner on using city property to display their message.</p>
<p>Oh, by the way, they thought ahead about possible offense and desecration of the sign &#8211; there are backups <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 03:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ATL-Apostate...

It&#039;s downtown Raleigh.  Tir Na Nog?  Cafe Luna?  Know that area?

I am a bit sad I had not heard about this in the news...I am in the Raleigh area...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ATL-Apostate&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s downtown Raleigh.  Tir Na Nog?  Cafe Luna?  Know that area?</p>
<p>I am a bit sad I had not heard about this in the news&#8230;I am in the Raleigh area&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dromedary Hump</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dromedary Hump</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah...Dog forbid atheists be viewed by theists as &quot;snippy or negative.&quot;  

I mean the next thing you know they will think of us as godless heathens with no ethics or morals, socialists, communists, who want to destroy this country and defile their man-god thus are unfit to hold public office.

Oh...wait... they already believe that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah&#8230;Dog forbid atheists be viewed by theists as &#8220;snippy or negative.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I mean the next thing you know they will think of us as godless heathens with no ethics or morals, socialists, communists, who want to destroy this country and defile their man-god thus are unfit to hold public office.</p>
<p>Oh&#8230;wait&#8230; they already believe that.</p>
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		<title>By: AxeGrrl</title>
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		<dc:creator>AxeGrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 07:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shannon wrote: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Eh. I liked the one posted a few days ago better. I think this one is indeed confrontational, for reasons others have pointed out. 

I think the holiday displays should be inspirational and could do without the lesson.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I completely agree.

If freethinkers stick to just expressing what they&#039;re about, without even &lt;em&gt;mentioning &lt;/em&gt;the religious, the better the message imo.  Even subtly confrontational messages can sometimes come across as being snippy or negative....

If you can achieve the same result without doing that, why do it?

The last sign was as close to perfection as I&#039;ve seen so far:

http://friendlyatheist.com/2009/12/15/seattle-atheists-get-display-in-olympia-washington/ 

When the religious get their knickers in a twist over something inoccuous, they look bad, not us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shannon wrote: </p>
<blockquote><p>Eh. I liked the one posted a few days ago better. I think this one is indeed confrontational, for reasons others have pointed out. </p>
<p>I think the holiday displays should be inspirational and could do without the lesson.</p></blockquote>
<p>I completely agree.</p>
<p>If freethinkers stick to just expressing what they&#8217;re about, without even <em>mentioning </em>the religious, the better the message imo.  Even subtly confrontational messages can sometimes come across as being snippy or negative&#8230;.</p>
<p>If you can achieve the same result without doing that, why do it?</p>
<p>The last sign was as close to perfection as I&#8217;ve seen so far:</p>
<p><a href="http://friendlyatheist.com/2009/12/15/seattle-atheists-get-display-in-olympia-washington/" rel="nofollow">http://friendlyatheist.com/2009/12/15/seattle-atheists-get-display-in-olympia-washington/</a> </p>
<p>When the religious get their knickers in a twist over something inoccuous, they look bad, not us.</p>
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		<title>By: muggle</title>
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		<dc:creator>muggle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 00:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great sign.

And I second (or third or whatever it&#039;s up to) the let&#039;s stop being apologetic about telling the truth.  Liars should be called out as such!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great sign.</p>
<p>And I second (or third or whatever it&#8217;s up to) the let&#8217;s stop being apologetic about telling the truth.  Liars should be called out as such!</p>
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		<title>By: offensive lyricist</title>
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		<dc:creator>offensive lyricist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 00:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The carol could start:

Virgin Mary found cryptic
the obliquity of the ecliptic,
And forget the Holy Spirit,  
Joseph is the one who ripped it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The carol could start:</p>
<p>Virgin Mary found cryptic<br />
the obliquity of the ecliptic,<br />
And forget the Holy Spirit,<br />
Joseph is the one who ripped it.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 23:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s face it.  Until someone manages to work &quot;obliquity of the ecliptic&quot; into a decent sounding holiday carol, the baby in the manger is not going to go away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s face it.  Until someone manages to work &#8220;obliquity of the ecliptic&#8221; into a decent sounding holiday carol, the baby in the manger is not going to go away.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Gilbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Gilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great wording! That&#039;s a terrific sign. Kudos to TFS!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great wording! That&#8217;s a terrific sign. Kudos to TFS!</p>
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