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	<title>Comments on: Should an Atheist Take the Christian Job?</title>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2010/02/10/should-an-atheist-take-the-christian-job/#comment-437533</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 22:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve made it my goal to avoid working with people who believe the Earth is only 6000 years old. Science and religion just don&#039;t mix because the former is about gathering facts, to usually disprove theories, and the latter is mired in a belief system based on suspending reason and intellect - better known as faith.  I don’t dislike religious people; however, I won&#039;t even attempt to work somewhere that I could be discriminated against based on myth. Been there, done that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve made it my goal to avoid working with people who believe the Earth is only 6000 years old. Science and religion just don&#8217;t mix because the former is about gathering facts, to usually disprove theories, and the latter is mired in a belief system based on suspending reason and intellect &#8211; better known as faith.  I don’t dislike religious people; however, I won&#8217;t even attempt to work somewhere that I could be discriminated against based on myth. Been there, done that.</p>
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		<title>By: Martha</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2010/02/10/should-an-atheist-take-the-christian-job/#comment-431069</link>
		<dc:creator>Martha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 07:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We atheists are friendly to all religions and are capable of any job.</description>
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		<title>By: Richard Wade</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2010/02/10/should-an-atheist-take-the-christian-job/#comment-431034</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 03:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eliza,

&lt;blockquote&gt;“Praise Jesus” is interesting – it’s an imperative statement, directing the listener/reader to take some particular action. It implies, but does NOT literally state, that the speaker is Christian. It’s not actually a lie – these people probably do praise Jesus, repeatedly throughout each day. IMO it’d be different if she had claimed she was Christian, or if she were to do so during the interview.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Peppering her letters with &quot;Praise Jesus&quot; was a deliberate act, initiated by her, with the conscious intention to give a false impression, the conscious intention to deceive. So it&#039;s a lie. 

Lying is one thing, but making curleycue rationalizations to say it&#039;s not really lying is another.  If you&#039;re going to lie, at least be honest about it. ;) 

To be clear, I&#039;m not condemning Amy for considering the job.  Who am I to sit in judgment when I&#039;m solvent, well fed and warm? There&#039;s something about an empty belly and cold skin to shift our ethics from the principled side to the pragmatic side. 

Avoid lying as much as you can. If you really must, minimize the severity and the duration as much as you can. Clean up your act as soon as you can.  Be forgiving of others. We don&#039;t need any saints and we don&#039;t need any self-appointed prosecutors. We need each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eliza,</p>
<blockquote><p>“Praise Jesus” is interesting – it’s an imperative statement, directing the listener/reader to take some particular action. It implies, but does NOT literally state, that the speaker is Christian. It’s not actually a lie – these people probably do praise Jesus, repeatedly throughout each day. IMO it’d be different if she had claimed she was Christian, or if she were to do so during the interview.</p></blockquote>
<p>Peppering her letters with &#8220;Praise Jesus&#8221; was a deliberate act, initiated by her, with the conscious intention to give a false impression, the conscious intention to deceive. So it&#8217;s a lie. </p>
<p>Lying is one thing, but making curleycue rationalizations to say it&#8217;s not really lying is another.  If you&#8217;re going to lie, at least be honest about it. <img src='http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>To be clear, I&#8217;m not condemning Amy for considering the job.  Who am I to sit in judgment when I&#8217;m solvent, well fed and warm? There&#8217;s something about an empty belly and cold skin to shift our ethics from the principled side to the pragmatic side. </p>
<p>Avoid lying as much as you can. If you really must, minimize the severity and the duration as much as you can. Clean up your act as soon as you can.  Be forgiving of others. We don&#8217;t need any saints and we don&#8217;t need any self-appointed prosecutors. We need each other.</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take it. Money is money. If the fundies have no qualms about exploiting reality in the name of the almighty dollar, why should we? (Besides having the moral high ground...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take it. Money is money. If the fundies have no qualms about exploiting reality in the name of the almighty dollar, why should we? (Besides having the moral high ground&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Felicia</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2010/02/10/should-an-atheist-take-the-christian-job/#comment-430889</link>
		<dc:creator>Felicia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think all job applications involve some level of dishonesty. My employer just had me post a position to our website which required a number of specific, relevant qualifications, but also asked for &quot;an innate love of troubleshooting.&quot; How many people would really have classified themselves this way completely on their own and how many applicants are we going to get who will read this and adjust their resume to make it looks like they have this innate love? Furthermore, how honest is my employer being by asking for such a thing? Does it matter if a person loves it innately as long as they pursue problems efficiently to find solutions? I am very good at a number of tasks required by my job that I absolutely hate. 

It seems to me that what the employer is wanting is not really a believer, but just someone who isn&#039;t going to be causing conflicts at work. That is a valid concern, although I disagree with their solution to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think all job applications involve some level of dishonesty. My employer just had me post a position to our website which required a number of specific, relevant qualifications, but also asked for &#8220;an innate love of troubleshooting.&#8221; How many people would really have classified themselves this way completely on their own and how many applicants are we going to get who will read this and adjust their resume to make it looks like they have this innate love? Furthermore, how honest is my employer being by asking for such a thing? Does it matter if a person loves it innately as long as they pursue problems efficiently to find solutions? I am very good at a number of tasks required by my job that I absolutely hate. </p>
<p>It seems to me that what the employer is wanting is not really a believer, but just someone who isn&#8217;t going to be causing conflicts at work. That is a valid concern, although I disagree with their solution to it.</p>
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		<title>By: neosnowqueen</title>
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		<dc:creator>neosnowqueen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 05:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amy,

Speaking as someone who is a two-faced hypocrite right now, do it only if you don&#039;t care. If you care about your beliefs and your moral values, it&#039;ll wear on you. You&#039;ll have to constantly watch what you say, who you say it to, how much of your personal life trickles into your work.... You&#039;ll need to be on your extra good behavior at work and away from work, since they&#039;ll probably have you sign something about representing your work outside work. Living a double life is not easy, even if you&#039;re getting good pay (and I am not).

Can you work for a place that despises everything you are and do? Can you be the person that they want you to be, in everything except mind? Can you maintain that mental strain without breaking?

I ask you all these things, not because I&#039;m being dramatic, but &lt;i&gt;because I can&#039;t do these things&lt;/i&gt;. I&#039;m still in the situation, but &lt;i&gt;it is breaking me down&lt;/i&gt;, and I didn&#039;t exactly have the healthiest brain to begin with.

Split personality. Can you live with it?

People tell me to keep looking for another job. I am. I&#039;ve been looking for the last year and a half. It doesn&#039;t look like anything is going to fall into my lap any time soon. Can you live with your decision for several years while you try to find something else?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amy,</p>
<p>Speaking as someone who is a two-faced hypocrite right now, do it only if you don&#8217;t care. If you care about your beliefs and your moral values, it&#8217;ll wear on you. You&#8217;ll have to constantly watch what you say, who you say it to, how much of your personal life trickles into your work&#8230;. You&#8217;ll need to be on your extra good behavior at work and away from work, since they&#8217;ll probably have you sign something about representing your work outside work. Living a double life is not easy, even if you&#8217;re getting good pay (and I am not).</p>
<p>Can you work for a place that despises everything you are and do? Can you be the person that they want you to be, in everything except mind? Can you maintain that mental strain without breaking?</p>
<p>I ask you all these things, not because I&#8217;m being dramatic, but <i>because I can&#8217;t do these things</i>. I&#8217;m still in the situation, but <i>it is breaking me down</i>, and I didn&#8217;t exactly have the healthiest brain to begin with.</p>
<p>Split personality. Can you live with it?</p>
<p>People tell me to keep looking for another job. I am. I&#8217;ve been looking for the last year and a half. It doesn&#8217;t look like anything is going to fall into my lap any time soon. Can you live with your decision for several years while you try to find something else?</p>
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		<title>By: atticus hannah</title>
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		<dc:creator>atticus hannah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 05:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She&#039;s got to decide for herself how far she&#039;s willing to compromise herself, and for what price. Does the courage of her convictions stop at paying the bills? For many, it does. It&#039;s not a bad thing, it&#039;s just an all too human thing. For the rare some of us, we take convictions over anything. She&#039;s already shown that she&#039;s willing to compromise her integrity by lying. So how much further is she willing to go?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She&#8217;s got to decide for herself how far she&#8217;s willing to compromise herself, and for what price. Does the courage of her convictions stop at paying the bills? For many, it does. It&#8217;s not a bad thing, it&#8217;s just an all too human thing. For the rare some of us, we take convictions over anything. She&#8217;s already shown that she&#8217;s willing to compromise her integrity by lying. So how much further is she willing to go?</p>
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		<title>By: Eliza</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2010/02/10/should-an-atheist-take-the-christian-job/#comment-430649</link>
		<dc:creator>Eliza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 03:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they find her qualifications fit what they&#039;re looking for, but they mistakenly assume that she&#039;s Christian, so be it.  Take the job (but keep looking on the side).

But I definitely agree with some others above that she should not make a positive (false) claim that she&#039;s Christian.  

&quot;Praise Jesus&quot; is interesting - it&#039;s an imperative statement, directing the listener/reader to take some particular action.  It implies, but does NOT literally state, that the speaker is Christian.  It&#039;s not actually a lie - these people probably do praise Jesus, repeatedly throughout each day.  IMO it&#039;d be different if she had claimed she was Christian, or if she were to do so during the interview.

A relative of mine was hired by a Christian organization some years ago, &amp; when asked about her religion simply said that she was raised Christian (which was true), leaving out any information about her current outlook or practices.  Again, they leapt to an assumption &amp; filled in the gaps &amp; were happy with what they thought they heard. (That job has ended up being long term.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they find her qualifications fit what they&#8217;re looking for, but they mistakenly assume that she&#8217;s Christian, so be it.  Take the job (but keep looking on the side).</p>
<p>But I definitely agree with some others above that she should not make a positive (false) claim that she&#8217;s Christian.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Praise Jesus&#8221; is interesting &#8211; it&#8217;s an imperative statement, directing the listener/reader to take some particular action.  It implies, but does NOT literally state, that the speaker is Christian.  It&#8217;s not actually a lie &#8211; these people probably do praise Jesus, repeatedly throughout each day.  IMO it&#8217;d be different if she had claimed she was Christian, or if she were to do so during the interview.</p>
<p>A relative of mine was hired by a Christian organization some years ago, &amp; when asked about her religion simply said that she was raised Christian (which was true), leaving out any information about her current outlook or practices.  Again, they leapt to an assumption &amp; filled in the gaps &amp; were happy with what they thought they heard. (That job has ended up being long term.)</p>
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		<title>By: Judith Bandsma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judith Bandsma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 03:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A bit off topic here. Sorry about this.

Per Edman...did you ever frequent the FIDO echo Holysmoke?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bit off topic here. Sorry about this.</p>
<p>Per Edman&#8230;did you ever frequent the FIDO echo Holysmoke?</p>
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		<title>By: penn</title>
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		<dc:creator>penn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 02:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take the job and pay the bills while you look for a new job. I don&#039;t think there is any shame in doing what you have to get by as long as you aren&#039;t hurting anyone else. No gets hurt if you say &quot;Praise, Jesus!&quot; and don&#039;t mean it. If Amy came perform the job and it&#039;s worth keeping her home to work in that environment then I say go for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take the job and pay the bills while you look for a new job. I don&#8217;t think there is any shame in doing what you have to get by as long as you aren&#8217;t hurting anyone else. No gets hurt if you say &#8220;Praise, Jesus!&#8221; and don&#8217;t mean it. If Amy came perform the job and it&#8217;s worth keeping her home to work in that environment then I say go for it.</p>
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