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	<title>Comments on: Liveblogging FFRF on The Daily Show</title>
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		<title>By: sohy</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2010/03/08/liveblogging-ffrf-on-the-daily-show/#comment-441466</link>
		<dc:creator>sohy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 14:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dropped my membership in FFRF several years ago when I started feeling as if the organization was taking on issues which weren&#039;t important to me. Dan Barker&#039;s appearance on The Daily Show just confirmed to me that doing things like fighting a stamp causes more harm than benefit.  It makes us look as kooky as some of the Christian kooks around. 

Mother Theresa may have had a dark side, but the myth says otherwise. There are some myths that are better left alone. I think this is one of them. Atheists have much bigger fish to fry than a tiny dead nun who is perceived as a great humanitarian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dropped my membership in FFRF several years ago when I started feeling as if the organization was taking on issues which weren&#8217;t important to me. Dan Barker&#8217;s appearance on The Daily Show just confirmed to me that doing things like fighting a stamp causes more harm than benefit.  It makes us look as kooky as some of the Christian kooks around. </p>
<p>Mother Theresa may have had a dark side, but the myth says otherwise. There are some myths that are better left alone. I think this is one of them. Atheists have much bigger fish to fry than a tiny dead nun who is perceived as a great humanitarian.</p>
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		<title>By: LordNo</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2010/03/08/liveblogging-ffrf-on-the-daily-show/#comment-440851</link>
		<dc:creator>LordNo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do think that protesting the Mother Theresa stamp was NOT the right thing to do. Mainly because it marginalizes us in the minds of many. It cannot be undone and it will be brought back in the future as a way to discredit non-believers on the whole.

It was patently stupid - a PR nightmare. This happens as on the whole - our numbers have been growing and many have become more vocal. 

There have recently been far more atrocious abuses of the establishment clause against which to rise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do think that protesting the Mother Theresa stamp was NOT the right thing to do. Mainly because it marginalizes us in the minds of many. It cannot be undone and it will be brought back in the future as a way to discredit non-believers on the whole.</p>
<p>It was patently stupid &#8211; a PR nightmare. This happens as on the whole &#8211; our numbers have been growing and many have become more vocal. </p>
<p>There have recently been far more atrocious abuses of the establishment clause against which to rise.</p>
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		<title>By: Noah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to imagine that they were trying to allow themselves to be looked at humorously, but with the intention of just getting some exposure for the organization.  Unfortunately, the Daily Show really did a number on them.  It hurt me to watch it.  I do agree that they need to be very careful about the battles they pic.  The stamp thing seems a little far reaching and distracts people looking critically at the organization from all the good work they are doing.

Oh well. Live and learn. I just hope the damage from this turns out to be minimal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to imagine that they were trying to allow themselves to be looked at humorously, but with the intention of just getting some exposure for the organization.  Unfortunately, the Daily Show really did a number on them.  It hurt me to watch it.  I do agree that they need to be very careful about the battles they pic.  The stamp thing seems a little far reaching and distracts people looking critically at the organization from all the good work they are doing.</p>
<p>Oh well. Live and learn. I just hope the damage from this turns out to be minimal.</p>
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		<title>By: beelzebub</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2010/03/08/liveblogging-ffrf-on-the-daily-show/#comment-440424</link>
		<dc:creator>beelzebub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mostly what Andrea said. Given that there are other religiously themed postage stamps I have to say - SO WHAT?

- Science education in the schools
- Climate change
- GLBT issues
- Evolution
- Women&#039;s rights
- Energy conservation

Jesus jumping Christ on a pogo stick! He just came off as another &quot;kooky&quot; atheist freaking out over &quot;In God We Trust&quot;, blah, blah, blah. 

I think the Daily Show did him a favor by making him look like a jackass. Maybe FFRF and the whole &quot;crabby&quot; atheist movement needs to re-evaluate its message. When you start looking as bad as the religious right - only liberal - something is wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mostly what Andrea said. Given that there are other religiously themed postage stamps I have to say &#8211; SO WHAT?</p>
<p>- Science education in the schools<br />
- Climate change<br />
- GLBT issues<br />
- Evolution<br />
- Women&#8217;s rights<br />
- Energy conservation</p>
<p>Jesus jumping Christ on a pogo stick! He just came off as another &#8220;kooky&#8221; atheist freaking out over &#8220;In God We Trust&#8221;, blah, blah, blah. </p>
<p>I think the Daily Show did him a favor by making him look like a jackass. Maybe FFRF and the whole &#8220;crabby&#8221; atheist movement needs to re-evaluate its message. When you start looking as bad as the religious right &#8211; only liberal &#8211; something is wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 17:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, you guys, if you see this as anything other than a horrible embarrassment for FFRF, that&#039;s your cognitive dissonance (I like Daily Show! I like FFRF! But Daily Show is mocking the hell out of FFRF!) driving you to rationalize away the evidence that FFRF was just well and truly pwned. Any viewer with no stake in the freethought/atheist/agnostic movement comes away from that piece thinking Dan Barker is an irrational, wacky conspiracy nut. 

He should have known better than to give them the building blocks of funny that he did. I don&#039;t care how many hours of footage they edited down to how many minutes -- anyone who has seen the Daily Show knows what the deal is, and anyone acting as a spokesperson for an organization should know to stay on message the whole time, no matter how long the cameras are there. 

If you are going to take on a public figure like Mother Theresa with a public image that is basically made of sunshine and halos, you have to find a ten second way to communicate your message without sounding kooky. If that is impossible, don&#039;t start that campaign.

And if you are sitting with a TV reporter and you find yourself starting a sentence with &quot;I don&#039;t want to say this publicly,&quot; the proper end to that sentence can only be, &quot;so I will shut up now.&quot;

Finally, I agree that while a religious postage stamp can be seen as improper, separation of church and state-wise, there are bigger fish to fry in this movement. The religious right continues work hard to keep women from controlling their reproductive systems and to prevent LGBTQ Americans from accessing the equal rights everyone else has. And of course evolution and climate change denial is still hurting everyone. FFRF, reevaluate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, you guys, if you see this as anything other than a horrible embarrassment for FFRF, that&#8217;s your cognitive dissonance (I like Daily Show! I like FFRF! But Daily Show is mocking the hell out of FFRF!) driving you to rationalize away the evidence that FFRF was just well and truly pwned. Any viewer with no stake in the freethought/atheist/agnostic movement comes away from that piece thinking Dan Barker is an irrational, wacky conspiracy nut. </p>
<p>He should have known better than to give them the building blocks of funny that he did. I don&#8217;t care how many hours of footage they edited down to how many minutes &#8212; anyone who has seen the Daily Show knows what the deal is, and anyone acting as a spokesperson for an organization should know to stay on message the whole time, no matter how long the cameras are there. </p>
<p>If you are going to take on a public figure like Mother Theresa with a public image that is basically made of sunshine and halos, you have to find a ten second way to communicate your message without sounding kooky. If that is impossible, don&#8217;t start that campaign.</p>
<p>And if you are sitting with a TV reporter and you find yourself starting a sentence with &#8220;I don&#8217;t want to say this publicly,&#8221; the proper end to that sentence can only be, &#8220;so I will shut up now.&#8221;</p>
<p>Finally, I agree that while a religious postage stamp can be seen as improper, separation of church and state-wise, there are bigger fish to fry in this movement. The religious right continues work hard to keep women from controlling their reproductive systems and to prevent LGBTQ Americans from accessing the equal rights everyone else has. And of course evolution and climate change denial is still hurting everyone. FFRF, reevaluate.</p>
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		<title>By: DemetriusOfPharos</title>
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		<dc:creator>DemetriusOfPharos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly?

In regards to the appearance, meh. A decent interview with Stewart would be nice (maybe next book?) but overall the whole thing was set up for comedy. Barker is smart enough to have realized that before going in, so he played along. Bully for him.

In regards to the Mother Theresa stamp, meh. FFRF has a valid complaint, but this is honestly something that doesn&#039;t affect us. Unlike money, if you don&#039;t like a particular design of stamp you can get another design. Stamps have become little more than collectors items if my mail is any indication - my letters come &#039;stamped&#039; by en electronic meter, if I even get letters any more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly?</p>
<p>In regards to the appearance, meh. A decent interview with Stewart would be nice (maybe next book?) but overall the whole thing was set up for comedy. Barker is smart enough to have realized that before going in, so he played along. Bully for him.</p>
<p>In regards to the Mother Theresa stamp, meh. FFRF has a valid complaint, but this is honestly something that doesn&#8217;t affect us. Unlike money, if you don&#8217;t like a particular design of stamp you can get another design. Stamps have become little more than collectors items if my mail is any indication &#8211; my letters come &#8216;stamped&#8217; by en electronic meter, if I even get letters any more.</p>
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		<title>By: BeeDee</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2010/03/08/liveblogging-ffrf-on-the-daily-show/#comment-440148</link>
		<dc:creator>BeeDee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan spent three hours with Daily Show staff and it was reduced to 5:39 on the air. He&#039;s a bright and funny man and not some kind of conspiracy nut, which was the angle Comedy Central chose to present. It was sort of a low (and easy) road to take. The good-humored folks at FFRF are a little disappointed but take it in stride. The show chose to go for cheap laughs rather than educate or inform by presenting a view that&#039;s contrary to conventional wisdom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan spent three hours with Daily Show staff and it was reduced to 5:39 on the air. He&#8217;s a bright and funny man and not some kind of conspiracy nut, which was the angle Comedy Central chose to present. It was sort of a low (and easy) road to take. The good-humored folks at FFRF are a little disappointed but take it in stride. The show chose to go for cheap laughs rather than educate or inform by presenting a view that&#8217;s contrary to conventional wisdom.</p>
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		<title>By: Claudia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claudia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but when you sit down with the Daily Show correspondants, you kinda renounce your right to have your position portrayed fairly and with nuance. You damn well better have a grade-A spokesman who will stay on-topic, never say anything awkward (like &quot;its a conspiracy&quot;) and hammer 10 second or less talking points that can&#039;t easily be edited. Otherwise you will be pwned, these people are masters of their trade. 

There&#039;s a good case to be made against putting Mother Theresa on a stamp based on her biography, but its a nuanced position and therefore not at all one that you&#039;re going to get on the show. Dan should have declined the interview.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but when you sit down with the Daily Show correspondants, you kinda renounce your right to have your position portrayed fairly and with nuance. You damn well better have a grade-A spokesman who will stay on-topic, never say anything awkward (like &#8220;its a conspiracy&#8221;) and hammer 10 second or less talking points that can&#8217;t easily be edited. Otherwise you will be pwned, these people are masters of their trade. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a good case to be made against putting Mother Theresa on a stamp based on her biography, but its a nuanced position and therefore not at all one that you&#8217;re going to get on the show. Dan should have declined the interview.</p>
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		<title>By: AWayfaringStrainer</title>
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		<dc:creator>AWayfaringStrainer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 21:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given how they have treated others, Dan came across as good as could be expected.  The stamp guy who said it was no big deal because they already print Christmas stamps was unfortunate.  Postal regulations do put stronger limits on honoring individuals, especially of religious deeds, but then again, the Daily Show was looking for humor, not the facts.   Dan was right when he admitted he should not say &quot;conspiracy&quot; in public.  Instead, I wished he had focused on why are not they printing the stamp with her real name, Agnese Bojaxhiu? 

Btw, ffrf.org radio will most likely talk about the show this weekend.  Can’t wait to hear Dan’s side, including how long the interview went.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given how they have treated others, Dan came across as good as could be expected.  The stamp guy who said it was no big deal because they already print Christmas stamps was unfortunate.  Postal regulations do put stronger limits on honoring individuals, especially of religious deeds, but then again, the Daily Show was looking for humor, not the facts.   Dan was right when he admitted he should not say &#8220;conspiracy&#8221; in public.  Instead, I wished he had focused on why are not they printing the stamp with her real name, Agnese Bojaxhiu? </p>
<p>Btw, ffrf.org radio will most likely talk about the show this weekend.  Can’t wait to hear Dan’s side, including how long the interview went.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Wilkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Wilkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 20:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really hated it all, an it kind of changed the way I look at The John Stewart Show. Yes the fight Dan Barker is fighting here is stupid, but they made him look like a conspiracy nut. 

Not only that but this piece made me realize how many people really believe that mother Teresa was a good person.

You have to look at this piece the same way every piece they do like this. Are you there thinking these people are reasoned, or do you think they&#039;re whackjobs? I for one think the latter about those people, and I think the audience reaction mirrors that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really hated it all, an it kind of changed the way I look at The John Stewart Show. Yes the fight Dan Barker is fighting here is stupid, but they made him look like a conspiracy nut. </p>
<p>Not only that but this piece made me realize how many people really believe that mother Teresa was a good person.</p>
<p>You have to look at this piece the same way every piece they do like this. Are you there thinking these people are reasoned, or do you think they&#8217;re whackjobs? I for one think the latter about those people, and I think the audience reaction mirrors that.</p>
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