Comments on: My Day at an Anti-Vaccination Rally http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2010/05/27/my-day-at-an-anti-vaccination-rally/ by Hemant Mehta Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:07:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Booted out of AutismOne at Skeptical Science http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2010/05/27/my-day-at-an-anti-vaccination-rally/#comment-747139 Booted out of AutismOne at Skeptical Science Mon, 30 May 2011 16:47:28 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/?p=24897#comment-747139 [...] work with there Hug Me! I’m Vaccinated! campaign. She has previously written about anti-vaxers here and [...] [...] work with there Hug Me! I’m Vaccinated! campaign. She has previously written about anti-vaxers here and [...]

]]> By: Send an Awesome Skepchick Some Love as She Kicks Anti-Vaxxer Ass « The Skeptical Teacher http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2010/05/27/my-day-at-an-anti-vaccination-rally/#comment-602473 Send an Awesome Skepchick Some Love as She Kicks Anti-Vaxxer Ass « The Skeptical Teacher Tue, 07 Dec 2010 03:50:41 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/?p=24897#comment-602473 [...] wasn’t surprised. After the AMC awesomeness just before Thanksgiving and the Grant Park rally last May I knew I was on their radar. And Orac’s been warning me for months, and called their [...] [...] wasn’t surprised. After the AMC awesomeness just before Thanksgiving and the Grant Park rally last May I knew I was on their radar. And Orac’s been warning me for months, and called their [...]

]]> By: r http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2010/05/27/my-day-at-an-anti-vaccination-rally/#comment-602263 r Mon, 06 Dec 2010 21:38:55 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/?p=24897#comment-602263 Ugh, I hope you showered after he touched you. Ugh, I hope you showered after he touched you.

]]> By: Marilyn http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2010/05/27/my-day-at-an-anti-vaccination-rally/#comment-550394 Marilyn Thu, 16 Sep 2010 03:35:04 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/?p=24897#comment-550394 Wow, you really got him, didn't you? What an idiot he must be to not realize you were pro-vaccine, and to pose with you for a photo! That's freaking hilarious! And that must have taken a lot of guts to give him a note to read later, rather than speaking with him face to face, and letting him respond! I'm totally impressed. Wow, you really got him, didn’t you? What an idiot he must be to not realize you were pro-vaccine, and to pose with you for a photo! That’s freaking hilarious!

And that must have taken a lot of guts to give him a note to read later, rather than speaking with him face to face, and letting him respond!

I’m totally impressed.

]]> By: Darrell http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2010/05/27/my-day-at-an-anti-vaccination-rally/#comment-514985 Darrell Fri, 16 Jul 2010 04:48:48 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/?p=24897#comment-514985 Ugh! The flagrant need to be right in the post and comments is annoying. Too many people credit science as last word. Clearly something is wrong, if it's not vaccines then its the cocktail. If its not the cocktail then its the mother diet while pregnant. If it's not the mother diet while pregnant then ... well you get it. Quit finding fault in those trying to identify the cause and start being part of the cure! Ugh! The flagrant need to be right in the post and comments is annoying. Too many people credit science as last word. Clearly something is wrong, if it’s not vaccines then its the cocktail. If its not the cocktail then its the mother diet while pregnant. If it’s not the mother diet while pregnant then … well you get it. Quit finding fault in those trying to identify the cause and start being part of the cure!

]]> By: Podcast TWIPS: Episodes 15 and 16 « SCIENCE-BASED PARENTING http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2010/05/27/my-day-at-an-anti-vaccination-rally/#comment-504897 Podcast TWIPS: Episodes 15 and 16 « SCIENCE-BASED PARENTING Sun, 27 Jun 2010 20:31:05 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/?p=24897#comment-504897 [...] Free Foundation counter-protested at the antivaccine rally in Chicago? Yeah, we talked about that. We also spoke with Dr. Eugenie Scott about her work at the National Center for Science [...] [...] Free Foundation counter-protested at the antivaccine rally in Chicago? Yeah, we talked about that. We also spoke with Dr. Eugenie Scott about her work at the National Center for Science [...]

]]> By: Hitch http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2010/05/27/my-day-at-an-anti-vaccination-rally/#comment-491274 Hitch Tue, 08 Jun 2010 18:17:45 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/?p=24897#comment-491274 Yes, googling will show side-effects. Here is an authoritative source: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002026.htm Note that they list rarity of side effects, which can be studied. But ultimately we agree. It's about finding the causes of autism/brain damage. And also ways to help symptoms, and find cures. Yes, googling will show side-effects. Here is an authoritative source:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002026.htm

Note that they list rarity of side effects, which can be studied.

But ultimately we agree. It’s about finding the causes of autism/brain damage. And also ways to help symptoms, and find cures.

]]> By: hugh http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2010/05/27/my-day-at-an-anti-vaccination-rally/#comment-491215 hugh Tue, 08 Jun 2010 17:38:01 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/?p=24897#comment-491215 The tests don't matter to me anymore. the fact is mmr can cause brain damage and it caused my sisters. she was sitting in class when the teacher noticed something was wrong.vaccines are not 100% safe and I would like to see vaccines that are. google side effects of the mmr vaccine. Something is happening in these childrens brains and I think its man made. We will get the right researchers to solve it.I don't think we will know until you can positively trace the vaccine and watch the immune system destroy it. The tests don’t matter to me anymore. the fact is mmr can cause brain damage and it caused my sisters. she was sitting in class when the teacher noticed something was wrong.vaccines are not 100% safe and I would like to see vaccines that are. google side effects of the mmr vaccine. Something is happening in these childrens brains and I think its man made. We will get the right researchers to solve it.I don’t think we will know until you can positively trace the vaccine and watch the immune system destroy it.

]]> By: Hitch http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2010/05/27/my-day-at-an-anti-vaccination-rally/#comment-490930 Hitch Tue, 08 Jun 2010 13:39:51 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/?p=24897#comment-490930 Do you know how to design studies, evaluate significance with respect to a hypothesis etc? We can figure out if something is not depending on something else by exactly the same method that we can establish that it does depend. Either the variables correlate or they do not. And the confidence of the observation too can be established. I explained earlier how the AB test establishes causation, which is yet another step. Correlation may be coincidental. For example if children get traditionally vaccinated between 12-24 months and autism has a peak onset in the same time span, one will find a correlation in studies (they are temporally correlated) but this does not prove a link. Only if significantly more autism cases happen after vaccines are administered than before, and if autism cases rise with administered vaccines compared to the absence thereof, can we establish causation. Studies having gone through a range of these possible ways of providing a link have failed to do so. Again, refer to the papers I linked. In fact autism rates rise independent of vaccinations being administered given the evidence we have. If a test doesn't find a link it's not the patients fault. It may also not be the doctors fault. There may just be no link. And whether I am friendly or angry is wholly irrelevant as to whether there is a link between vaccination and autism. Again, the papers I linked discuss in detail how people studied that link. That is what is worth discussing. Do you know how to design studies, evaluate significance with respect to a hypothesis etc?

We can figure out if something is not depending on something else by exactly the same method that we can establish that it does depend. Either the variables correlate or they do not. And the confidence of the observation too can be established.

I explained earlier how the AB test establishes causation, which is yet another step. Correlation may be coincidental.

For example if children get traditionally vaccinated between 12-24 months and autism has a peak onset in the same time span, one will find a correlation in studies (they are temporally correlated) but this does not prove a link. Only if significantly more autism cases happen after vaccines are administered than before, and if autism cases rise with administered vaccines compared to the absence thereof, can we establish causation.

Studies having gone through a range of these possible ways of providing a link have failed to do so. Again, refer to the papers I linked. In fact autism rates rise independent of vaccinations being administered given the evidence we have.

If a test doesn’t find a link it’s not the patients fault. It may also not be the doctors fault. There may just be no link.

And whether I am friendly or angry is wholly irrelevant as to whether there is a link between vaccination and autism. Again, the papers I linked discuss in detail how people studied that link. That is what is worth discussing.

]]> By: hugh http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2010/05/27/my-day-at-an-anti-vaccination-rally/#comment-490904 hugh Tue, 08 Jun 2010 13:20:20 +0000 http://friendlyatheist.com/?p=24897#comment-490904 If you do a test and you don't find the cause whose fault is that? The patients? You don't sound like a friendly atheist. You sound like an angry atheist. If you do a test and you don’t find the cause whose fault is that? The patients? You don’t sound like a friendly atheist. You sound like an angry atheist.

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