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	<title>Comments on: Facing Mecca Doesn&#8217;t Matter When You Pray, Says Islamic Leader</title>
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		<title>By: Claudiaaneglz</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2010/07/19/facing-mecca-doesnt-matter-when-you-pray-says-islamic-leader/#comment-811676</link>
		<dc:creator>Claudiaaneglz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 02:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God listens! But when people who claim to be in &quot;submission&quot; to god pray for those who are also say they are in submission to god to have a brutal life, then Islam is not of God. Islam is hate. We will face the real creator&#039;s judment for everything that we say or pray. Jesus is of God. He forgives our nasty prayers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God listens! But when people who claim to be in &#8220;submission&#8221; to god pray for those who are also say they are in submission to god to have a brutal life, then Islam is not of God. Islam is hate. We will face the real creator&#8217;s judment for everything that we say or pray. Jesus is of God. He forgives our nasty prayers.</p>
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		<title>By: The Godless Monster</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2010/07/19/facing-mecca-doesnt-matter-when-you-pray-says-islamic-leader/#comment-517972</link>
		<dc:creator>The Godless Monster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 23:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jash,
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Another reasons cited is, to avoid praying to some other ‘creation’. Since there exists a ‘rock from heaven’ at mecca.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Your friends are not &lt;em&gt;entirely&lt;/em&gt; wrong, but that &quot;rock&quot; you speak of is The Black Stone, which is imbedded in a corner of the Kaaba. The Kaaba is the structure in Mecca that Muslims are facing when they pray 5 times a day. It&#039;s also used to count the number of times you&#039;ve walked around the Kaaba when you perform the Hajj, or holy pilgrimage.
Back to the comment on uniformity. Muslims do not have a &quot;personal relationship&quot; with Allah, as many Christians (and even some Jews) may claim to have. The entire experience is linked to the knowledge that you are part of a greater whole, a little cog in a mighty machine. The uniformity is allegedly intended to place emphasis on the equality of men before Allah, but more than anything, it serves to emphasize group subordination and submission. Islam &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; submission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jash,</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Another reasons cited is, to avoid praying to some other ‘creation’. Since there exists a ‘rock from heaven’ at mecca.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Your friends are not <em>entirely</em> wrong, but that &#8220;rock&#8221; you speak of is The Black Stone, which is imbedded in a corner of the Kaaba. The Kaaba is the structure in Mecca that Muslims are facing when they pray 5 times a day. It&#8217;s also used to count the number of times you&#8217;ve walked around the Kaaba when you perform the Hajj, or holy pilgrimage.<br />
Back to the comment on uniformity. Muslims do not have a &#8220;personal relationship&#8221; with Allah, as many Christians (and even some Jews) may claim to have. The entire experience is linked to the knowledge that you are part of a greater whole, a little cog in a mighty machine. The uniformity is allegedly intended to place emphasis on the equality of men before Allah, but more than anything, it serves to emphasize group subordination and submission. Islam <em>is</em> submission.</p>
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		<title>By: Jash</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2010/07/19/facing-mecca-doesnt-matter-when-you-pray-says-islamic-leader/#comment-517512</link>
		<dc:creator>Jash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 05:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About the direction of prayer, some of my muslim friends say that it is not for the effectiveness of prayer, but just to ensure uniformity. Another reasons cited is, to avoid praying to some other &#039;creation&#039;. Since there exists a &#039;rock from heaven&#039; at mecca.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About the direction of prayer, some of my muslim friends say that it is not for the effectiveness of prayer, but just to ensure uniformity. Another reasons cited is, to avoid praying to some other &#8216;creation&#8217;. Since there exists a &#8216;rock from heaven&#8217; at mecca.</p>
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		<title>By: SickoftheUS</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2010/07/19/facing-mecca-doesnt-matter-when-you-pray-says-islamic-leader/#comment-517435</link>
		<dc:creator>SickoftheUS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 02:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Mecca-praying reminds of this page I saw yesterday while shopping for a stove:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabbath_mode&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabbath_mode&lt;/a&gt;

Read the details.  It takes a while to get your brain around the multiple layers of religious idiocy that these devices accommodate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Mecca-praying reminds of this page I saw yesterday while shopping for a stove:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabbath_mode" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabbath_mode</a></p>
<p>Read the details.  It takes a while to get your brain around the multiple layers of religious idiocy that these devices accommodate.</p>
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		<title>By: Aj</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2010/07/19/facing-mecca-doesnt-matter-when-you-pray-says-islamic-leader/#comment-517429</link>
		<dc:creator>Aj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 01:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Epistaxis,

Didn&#039;t Hemant post about that some time ago? Something about North American Muslims changing direction because they were using a flat map which meant they were facing South when they should have been facing North.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Epistaxis,</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t Hemant post about that some time ago? Something about North American Muslims changing direction because they were using a flat map which meant they were facing South when they should have been facing North.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 01:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;There’s no need to knock down mosques, just shift your direction slightly during prayer&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;An Islamic leader has admitted that facing Mecca while you pray doesn’t make a damn bit of difference&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Its good to see some cracks finally appearing in old ideas of absolutes with regards to these faiths.

How much longer before they also realize there is no need for women to be opressed and hidden away.Or realize turning themselves into human bombs really makes little good sense either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There’s no need to knock down mosques, just shift your direction slightly during prayer</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>An Islamic leader has admitted that facing Mecca while you pray doesn’t make a damn bit of difference</p></blockquote>
<p>Its good to see some cracks finally appearing in old ideas of absolutes with regards to these faiths.</p>
<p>How much longer before they also realize there is no need for women to be opressed and hidden away.Or realize turning themselves into human bombs really makes little good sense either.</p>
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		<title>By: ZEPP</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZEPP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 01:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hell?  This is the 21st Century.  The obvious solution is a geosynchronous satellite for such prayers.  Easy to aim towards, and everything can be beamed directly at mecca. I mean, really, now.  How old-fashioned can one be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hell?  This is the 21st Century.  The obvious solution is a geosynchronous satellite for such prayers.  Easy to aim towards, and everything can be beamed directly at mecca. I mean, really, now.  How old-fashioned can one be?</p>
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		<title>By: Epistaxis</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2010/07/19/facing-mecca-doesnt-matter-when-you-pray-says-islamic-leader/#comment-517405</link>
		<dc:creator>Epistaxis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 01:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do prayers follow a &quot;great circle&quot; route? If so, a compass and flat map isn&#039;t enough.

Maybe they should just set up a series of local repeater stations, since a tiny angular difference could throw you way off at this range.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do prayers follow a &#8220;great circle&#8221; route? If so, a compass and flat map isn&#8217;t enough.</p>
<p>Maybe they should just set up a series of local repeater stations, since a tiny angular difference could throw you way off at this range.</p>
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		<title>By: muggle</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2010/07/19/facing-mecca-doesnt-matter-when-you-pray-says-islamic-leader/#comment-517384</link>
		<dc:creator>muggle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 23:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Godless.  The stuff I wonder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Godless.  The stuff I wonder.</p>
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		<title>By: The Godless Monster</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2010/07/19/facing-mecca-doesnt-matter-when-you-pray-says-islamic-leader/#comment-517382</link>
		<dc:creator>The Godless Monster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 23:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@muggle,
They&#039;re excused.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@muggle,<br />
They&#8217;re excused.</p>
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