And We Get in Trouble for Stick Figure Muhammads?

Leave it to Christians to teach the world how to show love.

To mark the anniversary of September 11th this year, the non-denominational Dove World Outreach Center church in Florida will host an “International Burn A Koran Day.”

Pastor Terry Jones says he got the idea from “Everybody Draw Muhammad Day” and that since the announcement was made, people have been sending him copies of the Koran for the event.

According to the Facebook Event page, the purpose of this event is:

To bring to awareness to the dangers of Islam and that the Koran is leading people to hell. Eternal fire is the only destination the Koran can lead people to so we want to put the Koran in it’s place — the fire!

They call it an “international” event but as far as I know, they’re the only ones doing it…

(Jones has a website for his book, Islam Is Of the Devil, by the way, that’s just full of Christian love.)

It’s amazing: I don’t care for the Koran. I think people have the right to burn their own books. Yet you put it all together like this, and I feel disgusted.

I’ve contacted Jones with a few questions and I’ll post his responses in full if I hear from him…

(via Religion Clause)

  • Potco

    I am tempted to send him a Bible as well, it’s about as good.

  • http://yetanotheratheist.net Yet Another Atheist

    I say we send a message to him by sending him bibles, as Potco suggested. Think about it… he’ll get an oddly large number of bibles and wonder what’s up.

  • Aj

    Potco,

    I am tempted to send him a Bible as well, it’s about as good.

    Burning books seems wrong, symbolically you’re burning knowledge. However, sending Bibles with the jackets of Qur’ans would be funny. Take photos and document it, but only post it on the internet after the burning, and then reveal to Terry Jones that he has burnt Bibles.

  • Pickle

    Christians? Burning books? I am shocked. Shocked I say!

    I wonder how horrified they’d be if we had a bible burning?

  • Staceyjw

    Wow- just, Wow! I’m ani-islam (and all regligions), but a day dedicated to burning the koran seems a little silly.

  • jose

    doodling stick figures is funny. burning books is scary.

  • MaleficVTwin

    I’m gonna make some popcorn. This one should be epic.

  • stephanie

    I’m against burning books on principle, but I’d like to see someone bring a Bible to this. Maybe we should start sending them in to this guy…

  • littlejohn

    I don’t like the way popcorn gets stuck between my teeth. On the other hand, as long as there’s a fire, I plan to bring marshmallows and a stick.
    I like the idea of sending bibles in koran dust jackets. It would be way too much trouble, but hollowing out a few korans and filling them with catholic crackers would be amusing. They killed jesus! You bastards!

  • The Ramohds

    Send some Arabic language/script bibles.

  • Malachi

    Maybe I just don’t get it but what’s the problem? It’s just symbolism, like burning the flag. So the hell what? Add the Bible to the fire right along with it.

    Now, if they were talking about banning the Koran that’d be different.

  • http://www.quietatheist.com Slugsie

    Wow, just wow. Drawing a stick figure is one thing. Burning a book is entirely different. Why do I suspect that Pastor Jones will be distancing himself from this idea rather quickly?

  • Malachi

    Why is burning a book different? It’s not like they’re going to rid the world of Korans. Publishers will be glad to print up more.

    BTW, personally, I wouldn’t send them any Bibles. They’ll just keep them and hand them out to people. They don’t need our help in spreading their lies^K^K^K^Kword.

  • http://eternalbookshelf.wordpress.com Sharmin

    I think burning books is wrong. To me, it shows that a person it not able (or too lazy) to argue intelligently about the topic. It also shows a lack of appreciation for the written word and the availability of books, which we’re luck to have.

    I also think it’s hypocritical that they are pointing out that the Qur’an is horrible while they follow a religion whose holy book says many similar things.

    That being said, while they are being disgusting and hypocritical, they do have the right to burn the books if they want, as long as they didn’t steal them.

  • Brian Macker

    “It’s amazing: I don’t care for the Koran. I think people have the right to burn their own books. Yet you put it all together like this, and I feel disgusted.”

    I organizing a burn the Mein Kampf day. Does that make you feel disgusted? I don’t even think Mein Kampf is as open about kill Jews than the Qur’an is about killing polytheists. Certainly Hitler wasn’t nearly as successful in killing Jews as the Muslims were at eradicating polytheism from the middle east. The number of victims of this anti-polytheism in India is ten times the victims of Hitlers anti-semitism.

    I think what’s got you feeling disgusted is that churches other activities.

  • J. J. Ramsey

    “I organizing a burn the Mein Kampf day. Does that make you feel disgusted?”

    I don’t know about being disgusted, but something about the symbolism of burning books doesn’t feel quite right. Too much Fahrenheit 451 for me.

  • jose

    “I organizing a burn the Mein Kampf day. Does that make you feel disgusted?”

    Yes! It’s an important piece of 20th Century History! Before you burn them let me have one or two copies for my university’s pitiful library ok?

    Oh my god books should be studied, not burned. Especially those which survive that long! It means they’re important historically even if they’re crap. Now I know they’re not burning ALL the Korans in the world, but it’s the attitude towards books what’s scary.

    If they were burning burkas or flags that would be different.

  • Zadius

    I don’t really have a big problem with this. We are long past the day when burning a book was destroying knowledge. It is purely symbolic therefore. Not the symbolism I would personally go for, mind you, since I wouldn’t even want to symbolically destroy an ancient text. But that doesn’t make it wrong. It will get attention, and that’s what he wants. In the end, it’s just paper.

  • http://insidemyhead.blogspot.com SeanG

    How long before Fox news blames atheists drawing Mohammad for this.

  • http://paulforpm.blogspot.com/ keddaw

    I am reading Mein Kampf, it should be required reading before anyone compares something to the Nazis in a comment.

    Gonna follow it up with some Marx and maybe wash it all down with a little Satanic Verses.

  • http://secularshawshank.wordpress.com Andy

    Reminds me of when Rev. Lovejoy on The Simpsons was riding around in his “Book Burning Mobile.”

    Book burning? No, never. Sorry. “Oh but it’s a very, very bad book, therefore we must destroy…”—NO! The answer to bad books is better books—not matchbooks. The answer to wicked books is righteous books—and lots of them.

  • Hitch

    That’s exactly why Eboo’s remarks were so offensive. Reasoned criticism was equated with the most extreme racism. So there is no space anymore for the inbetween.

    DMD had some extreme elements to it, and some real islamophobes, but it had some rock solid good reasons to it and some really throughtful contributions.

    Luckily there is no problem. It’s all Nazi-like, any criticism of Islam (or any other faith)! Nevermind that some of it is hostile and intolerant (see this book burning) whereas others are happy to just discuss Qur’an passages or implementations of law derived from scripture.

    But grouping it all together serves a simple goal: Shut it all up, even the most reasoned criticism.

    As long as people like Eboo Patel or Reza Aslan cannot distinguished between a throughtful critique and out-and-out racism they fail at what they claim to be: bridge builders.

  • Rarian Rakista

    Library of Alexandria must never happen again; however, I’m pretty damn sure he is not going to corner the marker on Korans or anything. This seems far more symbolic of his hatred of Islam than it is of his ability to carry off Islamic folk in the middle of the night to gas them.

  • Hitch

    Well to add, I am against burning books. To quote Heinrich Heine: “Where books are burned in the end people will burn.”

    Burning books has a similar quality to burning crosses. It’s not just an act of opposition, it’s a hostile act at that.

    I didn’t think it was right to bulldozer Dixie Chicks CDs when they opposed the war either, for the exact same reasons.

    Luckily violence is not very likely, but there are still much better ways to express discontent and even the strongest of opposition.

    For example I like Jefferson: Make a new bible, by cutting out the parts you don’t like. How about a Jeffersonian Qur’an day?

  • Dan Rosenberg

    As bad as Islam is, The Koran is still a work of literature and should not be burned. Drawing Mohammad is much more positive because it’s creative rather than destructive.

  • Brian Macker

    “I don’t know about being disgusted, but something about the symbolism of burning books doesn’t feel quite right. Too much Fahrenheit 451 for me.”

    Try separating in your mind voluntary from involuntary. Love making good, rape bad. Sharing good, stealing bad.

    The book burning in 451 was involuntary, as was the real book burning in many of authoritarian countries.

    Likewise getting rich by earning lots of money is good, while doing so by stealing lots of money bad. Some people for some reason hate all rich people. I think it is because the brain is naturally bad at disambiguating these things, and tends to be bigoted.

    What exactly do you find offensive with me buying a used copy of Mein Kampf to burn it in protest, or encouraging others to do so? Might be a nice symbolic gesture during one of those Nazi, Leftist orPalestinian protests where spew antisemitism.

  • Brian Macker

    “Burning books has a similar quality to burning crosses. It’s not just an act of opposition, it’s a hostile act at that.”

    Cross burning has an explicit history that is associated with the KKK and lynching blacks. It is meant to terrorize.

    Burning a copy of Mao’s little red book, or Hitler’s garbage, or Lenin’s or Marx’s would not terrorize anyone, because it is clear that it is a protest against the vile contents therein.

    Burning the kinds of books the Marxists, and Nazi’s were against was associated with the murder of those who would read such information, and was an attempt as censorship, not protest.

    No one is burning Qur’ans and running around in white pointy hats killing Muslims. If anything the Muslims are doing the killing and this is a protest against that.

  • Brian Macker

    “For example I like Jefferson: Make a new bible, by cutting out the parts you don’t like. How about a Jeffersonian Qur’an day?”

    If I cut out the parts I didn’t like there would only be half a page left, and still it would be an inadequate guide to ethics.

  • Hitch

    Brian, some of us have lived different histories. The Reichskristallnacht brought about burning of books and then the Holocaust.

    It is not a neutral act to burn books by any means. The Chinese cultural revolution destroyed many libraries with the history of ancient cultures.

    While I may agree that I can live with some books being burned, it is like censorship. Who would you want to be the censor? I rather have all books have the right to not be burned, than see any book burn. The most critical books have the most chance to get censored. I’m not going to threaten that by endorsing the burning of Mein Kampf.

    Sadly in the end, intent matters, which is almost impossible to filter out. For example if you are freezing and the only thing you have to burn to keep warm is a book, by all means go burn it, or use it as toilet paper etc. Hostility often differentiates itself from perfectly non-hostile actions simply through the intent of it all.

    And if just half a page is left after you trim it to your taste, you also made your case. At least there is positive content left.

  • Brian Macker

    “I am reading Mein Kampf, it should be required reading before anyone compares something to the Nazis in a comment.”

    Maybe you should finish reading it, like me. Also finish reading the Qur’an, like me.

    Many nazi’s were as nice and polite as any Muslim. They weren’t all the rude boors people make them out to be, and many had quite refined tastes and manners. There’s all sorts of good stuff in Nazi doctrine, like having the kids get their exercise in Hitler youth groups, workers rights, and the like.

  • Matt

    Nowadays, with the internet and e-books, book burnings seem rather pointless. Symbolic? I suppose.

    It does always crack me up how some Christians sling mud at other religions, calling them cults or talking about how they’re wrong and deluded. The irony never seems to register in their brains.

  • Brian Macker

    Hitch,

    You’re using examples of involuntary book burning. People breaking into library’s to haul out books to burn. Which is a criminal act.

    I never claimed it was neutral to burn a book. That’s ridiculous. Why would I burn a copy of Mein Kampf to show neutrality? Of course, I would be condemning the work by doing so. Yes, intent matters and burning Mein Kampf is all about good intentions.

    I think you are superstitious. Really.

  • Brian Macker

    “And if just half a page is left after you trim it to your taste, you also made your case. At least there is positive content left.”

    If I trimmed down Mein Kampf I’d end up with some positive content left too. There are reasons why these vile ideologies become popular besides hate. There’s probably quite a few positive things in Marxism too.

    These however are instruction manuals and it’s the bad instructions that do the damage, regardless of any good advice. Think about a hair dryer that comes with a manual advising you to use it in the shower. So what if I can cut it down to the parts that tell you all the good uses to which it could be put? Doesn’t alter the fact that it is a defective manual, and leads to death.

  • Brian Macker

    Another nice think about Nazism is that peace symbol they stole. Too bad they ruined its reputation.

  • Hitch

    Brian, we can agree to disagree. I don’t buy your distinction of involuntary vs voluntary.

    Cross burnings usually burned crosses of the owners, ownership does not reflect the symbolism.

    But yes, symbols are misappropriates. But I just cannot find a completely neutral reading of book burning as oppositional gesture, that wouldn’t be damaging to free expression if used in reverse.

  • abadidea

    Obligatory xkcd reference http://xkcd.com/750/ :)

  • Dan W

    I’m against burning books, even terrible ones like the Bible and the Koran. It just seems stupid in the extreme. If you don’t like a book, don’t read it. Don’t try to prevent others from reading it, either by banning or burning it.

  • Phrosty

    Burning books… because recycling them makes too much sense. :/

  • Wandadars

    That church is based in Gainesville Florida if I’m not mistaken. I’ve seen and spoken with their members before( they walk around the University of Florida with “Islam is of the devil” shirts on, so they’re easy to spot.) They usually have women go out to the campus and push their babies around in strollers while wearing those ridiculous shirts; I feel sorry for their children.

    Maybe I could go toss a couple bibles in the blaze to even the score a bit :)

  • http://eternalbookshelf.wordpress.com Sharmin

    If the government was doing this, then that would definitely be illegal and against the First Amendment. When it’s private citizens, they can make the argument that it’s their freedom of speech.

    @jose:

    Oh my god books should be studied, not burned.

    Agreed. I think these actions reveal book burners to be people who either can’t and/or won’t make good arguments for their views. Even the most horrible books can make us remember that we should not repeat the horrible actions of the author/characters of the book.

    @Matt:

    It does always crack me up how some Christians sling mud at other religions, calling them cults or talking about how they’re wrong and deluded. The irony never seems to register in their brains.

    Definitely. It never seems to strike them that all the things they criticize about other books applies to the Bible as well.

  • Brian Macker

    Hitch,

    “we can agree to disagree.”

    A nice way of saying shut up. Of course I agree we disagree. Did you think I would deny that?

    “I don’t buy your distinction of involuntary vs voluntary.”

    So if you were against involuntary communism, Marxist totalitarianism, then you’d also be against the voluntary kind, Amish and Hutterite societies.

    “Cross burnings usually burned crosses of the owners, ownership does not reflect the symbolism.”

    I already covered that, but you were not paying attention. Cross burning isn’t involuntary on the issue of ownership, but is involuntary on the issue of terrorizing people into doing something they don’t want to. Like moving out of the neighborhood. It’s the terror that is involuntary.

    “But I just cannot find a completely neutral reading of book burning as oppositional gesture, that wouldn’t be damaging to free expression if used in reverse.”

    Exactly how would a voluntary book burning be damaging to free expression? Sales would only increase, both by the purchases to burn and the great publicity.

    Weren’t you paying attention to those Christian movie boycotts. It got to the point where producers were hoping to get a boycott.

    How could my burning of a book on my shelf prevent you from reading it any more than my ownership of it wouldn’t already? Were you planning on stealing it?

  • piabob

    Burning a book you have not read is the great sin. You are acting out of ignorance, on hearsay. You absolutely don’t know what you are saying.
    Discuss it with someone who can think. If in the end you can agree to destroy it, do so.
    Leave the rest of us to make up our own minds.

  • Brian Macker

    “Oh my god books should be studied, not burned.”

    Now I’m starting to think the rest of you “seem stupid in the extreme”.

    Are you oblivious to the fact that we have printing presses, and electronic copying. Did you ever stop to consider that maybe I read the book before I decided to burn it, that it had vile content, and that maybe I have another copy on my shelf for reference, in fact several different translations, and perhaps that there are more in the book store, and even every translation available in print online.

    There is nothing valuable about studying Mein Kampf other than to get an idea how vile ignorant people think. Any individual copy has no value. Hell I went to donate some books to the library because I’m moving and thought they would put them on the shelves. They told me, “No we sell them as used books, and if nobody buys them then we throw them out.”

    Sounds like fetishism to me. There’s nothing sacred about a book you don’t want, and think is disgusting, just because it has a binder, paper and ink.

    It reminds me of how the religious think all religious opinion should be respected. If I don’t respect a book then I’ll burn it and I don’t care if someone else burns a book that I respect, just so long as it’s not mine.

  • http://kaleenamenke.blogspot.com Kaleena

    Gross. You would think with a name like “Dove World Outreach Center” they would be for peace and reaching out to people of the world. I guess not.

  • jcm
  • http://capiteterram.blogspot.com/ Martin The Mess

    45 comments and no one’s yet pointed out that this is Reverend Terry Jones leading this? What a perfect opportunity for a mention that “He’s not the Messiah, he’s a very naughty boy!”

    Like all religious beliefs and practices, no matter how scary or sad they may be, always remember that they are also sublimely ridiculous, and thus should be ridiculed.

  • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ WMDKitty

    Instead of just burning the books, how about we use the pages to roll some monster doobs, instead?

  • toffa813

    Definitely thought it said burn a korean for a minute. Clearly I am way too tired.

    Regardless of what it says, I am very glad I left the Catholic church(/religion in general). This is ridiculous. Why can’t they listen to what kids have been told since they could breathe: If you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all. :)

  • Sven

    To be honest, I don’t believe that they realy intent to burn a q’uran. My guess is that it’s all just for publicity.

  • http://thegodlessmonster.com/ The Godless Monster

    I’m with Brian Macker on this one.
    The burning of the Qurans would be a voluntary act performed by the owner(s) of said books. Some nutjobs are burning some paper that belongs to them. It’s not necessary or logical to take it beyond that.
    The message that is on this paper they are burning is contained on millions of other pieces of paper worldwide that are not being burnt by their owners. In addition, the message is available online and in different audio formats and has been memorized by countless thousands of babbling idiots all over the globe. The “information” (such as it is) is safe and sound. It’s not being banned and it’s not going anywhere anytime soon…unfortunately.
    If it means that much to some of the dear readers, perhaps a warm, fuzzy, touchy-feely “rescue” of the doomed tomes could be organized.

  • http://www.thatpinkmouse.com/bloggy Jenny Bliss

    @toffa813

    haha glad im not the only 1 who thought that at first, seems like a waste of time really, just seems like fanning the flames of hatred (um.. no pun intended but coudlnt think of another way of putting that lol)

  • Greg

    Why do I suspect Terry Jones didn’t understand Draw Muhammad Day one iota?

    That was a rhetorical question by the way, no need to answer! :P

    Maybe I should feel more outraged than I do, but to be honest, the ridiculousness of the whole thing just makes me laugh.

    (Addendum – I am against burning books on principle. I like books. I like the way they feel when I turn the pages.I like the smell of a new book. I like the smell of old books. Books are good.)
    :P

  • Brian Macker

    Nothing I said would prevent the burning of particular books from becoming associated with the terrorism of particular people, nor the reading of the very same books causing the terrorism of other people. Any act can become associated with that. Even displaying a peace symbol like the swastika.

    The nailing of into wafers into qur’ans could become the symbol of some new violent hate group. That doesn’t mean that such a connection exists now.

    I’m not interested in actually burning any qur’ans because I’d prefer some other means of protest but those who do are not committing an act similar to cross burning unless the put on white pointy burkas and go around lynching and terrorizing innocent Muslims.

    The minute some idiot group breaks in to a library to dump Qur’ans in the Boston harbor I would be against it, because of the violation of property rights. If that group became a locus for terrorizing innocent people then I would also be against dumping Qur’ans in harbors in general because of the connection to terrorism. However, I would be against it only when either happens.

  • alex

    They are not burning books to prevent others to read them. They are doing so to piss off Muslims. Both are equally stupid, but I’d say they will be much more successful in the latter than the former. I agree with those who say that this is a symbolic act much like burning a flag, and should be treated as such.

    Whatever floats their boat. Of course, that gives Muslims more reasons to hate Americans (this is taking place in the States, right?), but then again, what doesn’t?

  • Andrew Morgan

    Drawing Muhammad and burning the Koran are equal (both equally good) in my eyes. I don’t see why the “symbolism” inherent in burning a book is an better or worse than the “symbolism” in drawing stick figure Muhammads that get walked on all day by passers-by. As has been said, the world has plenty of copies.

  • Silent Service

    Okay, let’s enjoy this slippery slope while we can. Soon enough (no matter how long it’s too soon) there will be the next level of idiot saying that we should burn all Qur’ans. Then a worse idiot will want to burn them in the parking lot of a mosque. Eventually some jack ass will want to burn them in a mosque or an Imam’s home, and they won’t mind if anybody is home because those ‘dirty Muslims’ get what they deserve for not believing in ‘my God’. Calls for book banning in every form will show up in the middle of the slope too. If you think these false doves at DWOC don’t want the Qur’an banned, you’re not paying attention.

    This crap is done not just to generate attention; it’s done to promote hate and stir the mob mentality into action. It is done to fan the flames of hate, and to do that you need fuel for the fire.

  • p.s.

    Brian:
    I don’t think anyone is saying they dont have the legal right to burn these books. I agree, it is their property, they can do with it whatever they wish.
    However, it is not a particularly effective method of protest. If you read a book and disagree with it, you right a review, you tell people why you disagree with it and most of all, you encourage people to read the book to dispel their own ignorance on the topic.
    This is not an issue of free speech. This is a group of people who are getting together to protest something without attempting understanding it, and encourages people to share in their ignorance. How many of the book burners do you think actually read the Qur’an?

  • Aric

    A few points. They are doing this on 9/11, which means they are combining ‘all muslims will burn in hell’ with ‘muslims are bad because they attacked America.’ While they are thinking that Islam=bad and Christianity=good, they are demonstrating what many of us believe, which is that Christianity?Islam and religion->bad. They are demonstrating this by stirring up hate and conflict, which can do nothing but lead to increased tensions between Muslims and Christians, and between America and Arab or Muslim countries. Religiously-motivated violence.

    It’s also interesting to contrast stick Muhammeds with this. One tries, in the most unoffensive way possible, to point out the silliness of trying to impose a Muslim rule on non-Muslims and to give moderate Muslims a chance to denounce extremist violence. The other intentionally gets people on both sides angry at each other.

  • Hitch

    It’s easy to test something for it’s commentary value.

    Just reverse the roles. If a muslim draws a smiling stick figure with the label “atheist” next to it, it is not offensive. It’s the asymmetry of it all that makes it a problem. Something harmless is claimed to be offensive.

    However, if someone burns books by Thomas Mann, Hermann Hesse and Charles Darwin it does have a certain meaning.

    If Muslims burned books by John Locke and Thomas Jefferson it in fact would mean even more because fire, in Islam is the symbol of hell in a very literal sense. Flag burning is not just disrespect, it’s the ultimate diss. If one wants to critique that, better have some books float in water!

    Smiling stick figures are valid commentary. They may be perceived as offensive, but that is exactly the sore point of discussion.

    Burning books do not have that quality. Yes they show disrespect but they don’t point to a larger issue. In fact it is the same way violent bigots show disrespect.

    Drawing smiling stick figures protects the good, which is valid critique in the face of violence. Burning books is symbolic violence. I do not think these are equal at all.

    But I don’t want to be too oppositional. People can choose to burn books, don’t expect me to approve though. I indeed much rather have people read it and understand what the problem is. To me reading any “holy” book cover to cover is the best way to turn atheist. But that’s me.

    Same with trampling the CDs of Dixie Chicks. It’s a sign of a lack of discourse culture. Rather engage with the opinion you disagree with and show why. Don’t act violently even if symbolically.

  • A disgusted neighbor of DWO

    I live down the street from these wakadoodles and it’s always something new. First they invited Fred Phelp’s group of hate mongers to town to protest our gay Mayor (they left early because they didn’t get the press they wanted), then they protested in front of the Xmart (adult store), then in front of the Islamic Center, next month they’re protesting our gay mayor again, and now a Koran burning.

    All I can say is that Jones is just dumb enough to hold the book burning inside the “church,” so maybe he’ll do us all a favor… if that happens, I’ll bring the marshmallows!

  • Roxane

    I don’t get the point about voluntary vs. involuntary bookburnings. Burning a book is always an act of somebody’s will at the expense of somebody else’s.

  • Roxane

    I like Thomas Jefferson’s idea. If the intention is to poke the Muslims–and it clearly is–it seems to me that cutting out the parts you don’t like would annoy them even more. It is, in a sense, a greater defilement than simply consigning a book to the flames.

    Oh, wait–that would require a critical reading of the Koran, which is something the perpetrators of this display are unlikely to be able to do.

    Still, a side-by-side redaction of both the Bible and the Koran! A girl can dream.

  • ben porter

    you know the only thing that makes me mad about all this is the hatred Christians seem to have towards other religions. I understand the other religions do to so dont think i’m just trying to be unfair towards the Christians. This makes me mad because of two reasons. First is the supposed persecution that Christians claim to have against them in America (non of which i really see evidence for). Its the idea they have that people are wrong if they insult their beliefs but they can insult others. reasoned debate is one thing but this is just insult. The second reason is that Jesus taught people love so whats with all the hate.

  • Ray

    Looks like Jones is a wanna-be Fred Phelps.

  • Galahad Threepwood

    (Addendum – I am against burning books on principle. I like books. I like the way they feel when I turn the pages.I like the smell of a new book. I like the smell of old books. Books are good.)
    :P

    This. People should have the right to burn the Koran if they want to, but it makes me uncomfortable because I love books of all kinds. Even the ones I disagree with, like Mein Kampf. Also, I think “Everybody Draw Muhammad Day” was essentially netural; nobody was attacking Islam, they were just reminding Muslims that they can’t compel everyone to play by their rules. This stunt seems more aggressive, and thus less defensible. There’s a line between making a valid statement and being a dick, and I think this crosses it.

  • EdmondWA

    Welcome to the age of the internet, where burning books no longer matters. Yay internet!

    I’d almost say let the Christians and the Muslims fight it out, except the rest of us would be collateral damage, left with a burning cinder instead of an Earth.

  • Brian Macker

    Roxane,

    An involuntary book burning is if someone busts your door down and burns your books against your will. A voluntary one is when you decide you don’t want your books any more and throw them in the incinerator.

  • Brian Macker

    “There’s a line between making a valid statement and being a dick, and I think this crosses it.”

    Does fabricating an entire religion of hate cross your line? Does putting words in the mouth of an infallible deity, nasty evil words, cross that line. Why the double standard. Why in your mind does someone ghost writing for god get to call for my murder and/or subjugation, while others get to worship that crap and pass it on to their children, and that leads you to think that I’m somehow the dick if I decided to burn that trash?

  • notlawrence

    What this means is that that particular church and its members haven’t been reading the Bible enough. If they had, they wouldn’t have had time to burn the Koran. Or perhaps it’s because they’ve been reading the Koran, and not the Bible. Either way, they ought to read the Bible enough until they stop thinking about burning the Koran.
    More conventional Christians know that Muslims have a way to God, just like Jews. It is known that Muslims don’t worship the Devil, and that they think that heaven is full of seraglios and virgins waiting for them when they pass from this earth. It sounds like Saudi Arabia to me, but I won’t go down the path of Lawrence. Of Arabia. I believe he was actually Muslim.

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  • C375

    1. Traditional book burning tries to completely destroy certain books so that the ideologies contained within are removed from society. Obviously this is not the goal of this church, they are just making a statement. I am a follower of Christ, and wholeheartedly believe I am following the right path- but people have the right to make informed decisions and choose their own way. If this Church really believes their faith is right and Islam is wrong, they should be spending their time living out the teachings of Christ and meeting other ideologies head on in open debate.

  • Anonymous

    I think this is really very silly and immature action , if a pastor hates Koran or Muslims then this is his own problem but it is definitely wrong to burn religious books because clearly this action won’t eliminate Islam , as a matter of fact it will make Muslims more attached to their religion and surely more willing to protect it.

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  • http://www.gospelhall.org Christian Church Pastor

    I think it should be noted that many many Christians have denounced this guy in public. He represents everything that a pastor should NOT be. When the IRS audits him, they will likely have enough evidence to put him in jail.

  • Eric Mixi

    I hereby draw the prophet. This is his eyelash. / And this is a hair follicle. . Please come kill me now. My proper abode is hell fire.


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