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	<title>Comments on: Ask Richard: An Atheist From a Different World</title>
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		<title>By: Joseph Caine</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2010/07/26/ask-richard-an-atheist-from-a-different-world/#comment-522798</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Caine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that Richard is right, even if this is a trolling attempt, it&#039;s better to take the letter at face value and just give the advice. Wow, we look like a bunch of idiots to some 12 year old who is sniggering at his computer screen. &quot;Oh man, I got them SO good! I&#039;m gonna post this on ED!&quot; That&#039;s a better scenario than alienating a girl by calling her a liar because her situation sounds a little too crazy to be true (Sometimes truth IS stranger than fiction)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Richard is right, even if this is a trolling attempt, it&#8217;s better to take the letter at face value and just give the advice. Wow, we look like a bunch of idiots to some 12 year old who is sniggering at his computer screen. &#8220;Oh man, I got them SO good! I&#8217;m gonna post this on ED!&#8221; That&#8217;s a better scenario than alienating a girl by calling her a liar because her situation sounds a little too crazy to be true (Sometimes truth IS stranger than fiction)</p>
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		<title>By: L. Foster</title>
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		<dc:creator>L. Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 17:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something that stuck out in my attention was &quot;I Want to prove to everyone that I am a atheist!&quot;  I wonder even if &quot;atheist&quot; is the word Kovana intended to use.  I&#039;m reminded of the episode of South Park where all the parents, shocked and scared by scandal in the Catholic church, all declared &quot;We&#039;re atheists now!&quot;  When in fact they weren&#039;t really atheists; what they were were people against this particular practice, who were dissatisfied with their church.  Atheism (I surely don&#039;t have to state here) isn&#039;t just believing that the particular church you&#039;re raised in is wrong.

Also, I hope that Kovana doesn&#039;t really think atheists &quot;have all the answers&quot;.  Nobody has all the answers.  In fact I&#039;d go so far as to suggest that what we know for sure is that a lot of the time we &lt;em&gt;don&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; have the answers, because &quot;God did it all&quot; is not an acceptable answer (nor is &quot;It must be a ghost&quot;, &quot;It must have been in a past life&quot;, or &quot;It must be Mercury in retrograde&quot;.)  What I personally believe as an atheist is that I want to know the &lt;em&gt;actual&lt;/em&gt; answers, and that the way to do that is through science.

So, atheists don&#039;t have all the answers; but we do actually ask the questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something that stuck out in my attention was &#8220;I Want to prove to everyone that I am a atheist!&#8221;  I wonder even if &#8220;atheist&#8221; is the word Kovana intended to use.  I&#8217;m reminded of the episode of South Park where all the parents, shocked and scared by scandal in the Catholic church, all declared &#8220;We&#8217;re atheists now!&#8221;  When in fact they weren&#8217;t really atheists; what they were were people against this particular practice, who were dissatisfied with their church.  Atheism (I surely don&#8217;t have to state here) isn&#8217;t just believing that the particular church you&#8217;re raised in is wrong.</p>
<p>Also, I hope that Kovana doesn&#8217;t really think atheists &#8220;have all the answers&#8221;.  Nobody has all the answers.  In fact I&#8217;d go so far as to suggest that what we know for sure is that a lot of the time we <em>don&#8217;t</em> have the answers, because &#8220;God did it all&#8221; is not an acceptable answer (nor is &#8220;It must be a ghost&#8221;, &#8220;It must have been in a past life&#8221;, or &#8220;It must be Mercury in retrograde&#8221;.)  What I personally believe as an atheist is that I want to know the <em>actual</em> answers, and that the way to do that is through science.</p>
<p>So, atheists don&#8217;t have all the answers; but we do actually ask the questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Miki</title>
		<link>http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2010/07/26/ask-richard-an-atheist-from-a-different-world/#comment-522126</link>
		<dc:creator>Miki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 23:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if it&#039;s fake for the person writing it, it&#039;s real to someone experiencing it.  The scenario is plausible, even if bizarre, and Richard&#039;s response was sound and universally applicable to anyone similarly situated.  When we (the religious-turned-atheist) become liberated we sometimes forget the crazy shit we observed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if it&#8217;s fake for the person writing it, it&#8217;s real to someone experiencing it.  The scenario is plausible, even if bizarre, and Richard&#8217;s response was sound and universally applicable to anyone similarly situated.  When we (the religious-turned-atheist) become liberated we sometimes forget the crazy shit we observed.</p>
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		<title>By: Braden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Braden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 21:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Icaarus

I&#039;d have to disagree with your assertion that Mormons don&#039;t refer to Joseph Smith as a prophet. The following scriptural quote is often cited both by general authorities and in congregations: &quot;Joseph Smith, the Prophet and Seer of the Lord, has done more, save Jesus only, for the salvation of men in this world, than any other man that ever lived in it&quot; ( http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=84010fd41d93b010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&amp;query=%22save+jesus+only%22&amp;bucket=AllChurchContent&amp;submitSearch=Search ). Also, Mormons continue to sustain members of the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve by the title &quot;prophet, seer, and revelator&quot; ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophet,_seer,_and_revelator ). The reverence/sacredness given him here is a bit extreme, but he&#039;s profoundly respected as one of God&#039;s chosen mouthpieces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Icaarus</p>
<p>I&#8217;d have to disagree with your assertion that Mormons don&#8217;t refer to Joseph Smith as a prophet. The following scriptural quote is often cited both by general authorities and in congregations: &#8220;Joseph Smith, the Prophet and Seer of the Lord, has done more, save Jesus only, for the salvation of men in this world, than any other man that ever lived in it&#8221; ( <a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=84010fd41d93b010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&#038;query=%22save+jesus+only%22&#038;bucket=AllChurchContent&#038;submitSearch=Search" rel="nofollow">http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=84010fd41d93b010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&#038;query=%22save+jesus+only%22&#038;bucket=AllChurchContent&#038;submitSearch=Search</a> ). Also, Mormons continue to sustain members of the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve by the title &#8220;prophet, seer, and revelator&#8221; ( <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophet,_seer,_and_revelator" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophet,_seer,_and_revelator</a> ). The reverence/sacredness given him here is a bit extreme, but he&#8217;s profoundly respected as one of God&#8217;s chosen mouthpieces.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 17:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will just note that people shouldn&#039;t be thrown by the use of the word poofta.  It was commonly used at my east coast (USA) high school.  That was quite a bit more recently than the 19th century.  Who knows how these things travel?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will just note that people shouldn&#8217;t be thrown by the use of the word poofta.  It was commonly used at my east coast (USA) high school.  That was quite a bit more recently than the 19th century.  Who knows how these things travel?</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as ther income, if it is Samoa, the average eincome is stated as $1170.So maybe, maybe not. My wife holds four masters degrees and worked three jobs in Russia, in her field of study, for $50 month. So I wouldn&#039;t discount the financial side of the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as ther income, if it is Samoa, the average eincome is stated as $1170.So maybe, maybe not. My wife holds four masters degrees and worked three jobs in Russia, in her field of study, for $50 month. So I wouldn&#8217;t discount the financial side of the story.</p>
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		<title>By: muggle</title>
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		<dc:creator>muggle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 14:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m on the side of give the advice hoax or not.  No way of really knowing and even if it is, no harm, no foul and might help someone else reading it.

Good advice for a tricky situation.  This is not like someone from the developed world trying to get out of their parents&#039; home.  It&#039;s a little more complicated than getting a job and an apartment and Richard&#039;s advice takes that into consideration.  We often take for granted how easy it is for us to defy authority when there are people all over the world for who it is deadly.  

I&#039;d say Kovana needs to proceed with extreme caution and that is what Richard is advising.  Proceed but with extreme caution.  There&#039;s a reason Atheists don&#039;t tend to make martyrs of themselves.  When you don&#039;t belive in eternal life, you treat the one life you have as the precious commodity it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m on the side of give the advice hoax or not.  No way of really knowing and even if it is, no harm, no foul and might help someone else reading it.</p>
<p>Good advice for a tricky situation.  This is not like someone from the developed world trying to get out of their parents&#8217; home.  It&#8217;s a little more complicated than getting a job and an apartment and Richard&#8217;s advice takes that into consideration.  We often take for granted how easy it is for us to defy authority when there are people all over the world for who it is deadly.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d say Kovana needs to proceed with extreme caution and that is what Richard is advising.  Proceed but with extreme caution.  There&#8217;s a reason Atheists don&#8217;t tend to make martyrs of themselves.  When you don&#8217;t belive in eternal life, you treat the one life you have as the precious commodity it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 14:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I signed in to write exactly what I see that Dan W has already said.  It doesn&#039;t matter whether this letter may be a hoax.  With respect to this sort of thing, it must be treated as if it is real if there is any possibility of that being true.  Nothing other than a few minutes of time is lost in replying to it if it is a hoax, and if it isn&#039;t, someone will gain valuable advice.  

I, too, was thinking as I read it that the religion may have been changed.  It felt more realistic if all references to Mormonism and Joseph Smith were switched to Islam and Muhammed.  Nonetheless, the letter writer could very well have made this alteration of facts in order to further obscure his or her identity.  On the other hand, while the particular observation of Mormonism described here would seem a poor fit for what we know as Mormonism in the US, it may be that the religion has changed and adapted as it migrated to other parts of the world.  That seems to happen quite a bit with religions, as can be seen in some of the remote African tribal practices of Christianity where missionaries have converted a tribe and then left for some time.

Richard&#039;s advice was probably as good as advice could be under these circumstances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I signed in to write exactly what I see that Dan W has already said.  It doesn&#8217;t matter whether this letter may be a hoax.  With respect to this sort of thing, it must be treated as if it is real if there is any possibility of that being true.  Nothing other than a few minutes of time is lost in replying to it if it is a hoax, and if it isn&#8217;t, someone will gain valuable advice.  </p>
<p>I, too, was thinking as I read it that the religion may have been changed.  It felt more realistic if all references to Mormonism and Joseph Smith were switched to Islam and Muhammed.  Nonetheless, the letter writer could very well have made this alteration of facts in order to further obscure his or her identity.  On the other hand, while the particular observation of Mormonism described here would seem a poor fit for what we know as Mormonism in the US, it may be that the religion has changed and adapted as it migrated to other parts of the world.  That seems to happen quite a bit with religions, as can be seen in some of the remote African tribal practices of Christianity where missionaries have converted a tribe and then left for some time.</p>
<p>Richard&#8217;s advice was probably as good as advice could be under these circumstances.</p>
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		<title>By: False Prophet</title>
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		<dc:creator>False Prophet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 11:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, even if it is a hoax, the worst that happens is Richard was duped into giving good and thoughtful advice to what he felt was a sincere cry for help. I&#039;d like to see some joker make hay from that without coming across as a complete jerkass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, even if it is a hoax, the worst that happens is Richard was duped into giving good and thoughtful advice to what he felt was a sincere cry for help. I&#8217;d like to see some joker make hay from that without coming across as a complete jerkass.</p>
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		<title>By: Amelia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amelia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 04:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jennifer, me too.

If the exact letter is not all it seems to be, either because it is a hoax or because the writer was afraid or has a poor grasp of English, that&#039;s okay with me.  The important thing is to let people know that they are not alone and that their beliefs do not make them the demons that some religious folks would have them believe.

Mormons are quite aggressive in conversion.  My understanding is that LDS youth are expected to convert on &quot;mission&quot; for a few years each, within and outside the U.S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer, me too.</p>
<p>If the exact letter is not all it seems to be, either because it is a hoax or because the writer was afraid or has a poor grasp of English, that&#8217;s okay with me.  The important thing is to let people know that they are not alone and that their beliefs do not make them the demons that some religious folks would have them believe.</p>
<p>Mormons are quite aggressive in conversion.  My understanding is that LDS youth are expected to convert on &#8220;mission&#8221; for a few years each, within and outside the U.S.</p>
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