Will Phillips Speaks Out Against Anti-Gay-Marriage Rally

I’ve mentioned Will Phillips here before.

He’s the 10-year-old boy who didn’t stand up for the Pledge of Allegiance last year because we live in a country where we don’t have “liberty and justice for all” — just ask all the gay couples who can’t get married.

The other day, Will spoke at a rally protesting the National Organization for Marriage’s national bus tour (to sparse audiences) opposing same-sex marriage:

*Hemant bows down to Will*

Maggie Gallagher just got pwned by an intelligent young boy.

I wish I had his courage at that age. Hell, I hope I can have his courage now.

And before you start arguing that he’s just acting on his parents’ wishes, that’s been refuted before. His parents aren’t forcing him to do any of this.

(via Joe. My. God.)

  • http://www.bigmama247.com Alise

    I love this kid.

    And really, if he picked up a sense that justice and equality are good things from his parents, I’m okay with that. I wouldn’t mind if people attributed those values that they see in my children to me a little bit. ;D

  • Ubi Dubium

    Will Phillips for President in 2036!

  • http://friendlyatheist.com Beth

    What an awesome child.

  • http://www.quietatheist.com Slugsie

    Oooh, there is a kid with a big future.

  • http://criticallyskeptic.blogspot.com Kevin, Critically Skeptic

    Okay, seriously. We need to buy this kid a bike.

  • http://religiouscomics.net Jeff P

    Perhaps he could be a future contributor to the Friendly Atheist blog here?

  • MaryD

    Marriage is a state of union between a man and a woman.

    All men and all women are free to get married, where is the inequality in that?

    Perhaps Will Phillips will campaign for the ‘right’ for single-men to have children next.

  • http://thegodlessmonster.com/ The Godless Monster

    @MaryD,
    Instead of letting atheists or others put words into your mouth, perhaps you could take the opportunity to enlighten us as to why you are opposed to same sex marriage.
    What exactly do you fear will happen if two people of the same sex get married? What specific consequences will result from two human beings of the same sex publicly committing themselves to each other out of love? Without preaching, can you share with us what it is that frightens you so much?
    TGM

  • Viggo the Carpathian

    The Godless Monster, don’t you know *inserts tongue firmly in cheek* that if same sex couples get married this week, then next week the government will be forcing your kids to watch gay porn and allowing marriage to animals and giving tax money to gay education. Boogedy boogedy boogedy… the end is near…

  • jose

    10 years old? How come he knows so much about “liberty” and “justice” and “hope”?

    I’m sorry but he reminds me of this too much.

  • http://criticallyskeptic.blogspot.com Kevin, Critically Skeptic

    @MaryD:

    Sorry – but if I fall head over heels in love with a man, whose right is it to tell me that I can’t marry that man? Whose right is it to deny my love to a person who just so happens to be the same (physical) gender as myself?

    Marriage is love. Period.

  • AxeGrrl

    Mary D wrote:

    All men and all women are free to get married, where is the inequality in that?

    Here’s where it is: Dick can marry Jane, but Mary’s not allowed to marry Jane.

    Inequality based solely on gender.

    Next question?

  • http://theotherweirdo.wordpress.com The Other Weirdo

    The end has already been and gone.

    Just stirring the pot.

  • http://thegodlessmonster.com/ The Godless Monster

    @jose,
    I’m inclined to agree with you on this point.
    While the principles of liberty and justice are universal, this specific subject really should be relegated to discussion between adults. As it pertains to human rights, it’s as serious a matter as any and the involvement of children, while laudable to some extent, needs to be looked at carefully. After all, we don’t have children negotiating strategic arms limitation talks or investigating war crimes for the Hague, now do we? Let’s not cheapen or trivialize the issue by making a circus out of it. I get it, the kid has guts and is concerned with what he sees as an inherent unfairness in our society. Good for him, but lets be realistic about this, okay?
    At the end of the day, we aren’t only talking about the right to marry. Does this kid even have a clue as to what sex of any sort is, much less sodomy? It’s a legitimate question to ask if this kid has put himself up as a spokesperson for gay marriage and even more so, if so many adults seem to have accepted him in this role. Marriage quite often entails sexual intimacy, does it not?
    To me this whole situation is just as questionable as a priest giving marriage counseling to a couple. It’s not that the kid shouldn’t be praised for having the courage to stand up for what is right, but due to the “adult” nature of the subject, there is a major creepiness factor in all of this.

  • Anna

    Perhaps Will Phillips will campaign for the ‘right’ for single-men to have children next.

    What a bizarre statement. Since when has it been illegal for single men to have children? Single men can adopt children in all 50 states, and they can have children via surrogacy or with female friends or partners.

  • Daniel

    Bullshit his parents don’t have anything to do with it. He’s 10. Is he intelligent and in the right direction for his age? Goddamn straight.

    Don’t bullshit though. If this was a christian kid speaking against homosexuality/gay marriage, we’d immediately dismiss him as a tool.

    Lets not have double standards.

  • Deiloh

    I love that this young man has such a big heart and I think he is a real credit to his parents. Although, whenever I see children standing at rallies with signs or giving speeches, I’m hesitant to say it is a good thing. I’m not sure what is at the center of my discomfort, I’ll have to think about it.

  • fritzy

    @Daniel;

    It’s not a double standard. I dismiss anyone who speaks out against homosexuality and gay mariage as a tool, regardless of said person’s age (Hey, Mary…).

    Frankly, these people have nothing but stock arguments, recycled bigotry and the most outlandish of paranoid objections to offer and I am sick of trying to “understand where they are coming from.” It’s only a matter of time–soon Will’s generation will be in charge of things, gays will be allowed to marry in all 50 states, and the last remenants of the xtian bigots can find someone else to hate and damn to their made-up hell.

    As for those who dismiss the value of his message due to his age, I call bullshit. I was educated by my parents about sexuality at the age of 5. By the time I was 10 I knew I was straight and I had a pretty good grasp of the concepts of sexuality–which, btw is only part of a loving, committed relationship, right? Does any child really have to understand sexuality to understand the love she sees between her parents?

    I also had a fair enough understanding of the concepts of justice and equality to recognize injustice when I saw it and to have formed legitimate and lasting opinions on the matter. And I was no where near as intelligent or erudite as Will appears to be.

    Kids like Will only excel intellectually as much as their adult peers allow them. Don’t hold this kid back.

  • fritzy

    Marriage is a state of union between a man and a woman.

    The definition of Marriage has changed throughout the ages. Those who attempt to paint it as always having been a loving bond between one man and one woman are either ignorant of history or intellectually dishonest. Really, read your Bible if you want any further evidence of this.

    All men and all women are free to get married, where is the inequality in that?

    This has already been pretty fairly covered. Gays are not legally allowed to marry the person they love. Put yourself in their situation.

    Perhaps Will Phillips will campaign for the ‘right’ for single-men to have children next.

    I don’t even get this. Single men can and do have children; unless you are talking about the “right” to bear children. This is ludicrous; men don’t have a “right” to bear children because they are physically incapable of doing so. Gays are only incapable of getting married because people such as yourself insist it will anger their imaginary friend.

    MaryD, might I suggest you think a little about these things before you type them. particularly in a forum where you know most of the readers are likely to disagree. Your kinds of arguments are why I am so dismissive (as I stated above) of those against gay rights. They are simply laughable and no arguments that I have heard are any more legitimate than yours.

  • http://thegodlessmonster.com/ The Godless Monster

    @fritzy,
    Nobody in this thread is suggesting that the kid be “held back”.
    Nobody.

    I had a pretty good grasp of the concepts of sexuality–which, btw is only part of a loving, committed relationship, right?

    Unless you were mentally an adult and were having sex at that age, the answer is no, you didn’t have a complete grasp of sexuality and/or sex. You may have had a good picture, but you didn’t have a complete understanding. The best we can expect of young people is that they understand the mechanics of it all. I can describe combat to you in excruciating detail, but it cannot and will not substitute for real experience.

    Does any child really have to understand sexuality to understand the love she sees between her parents?

    Yes, absolutely. Until then, a child will only partially understand the relationship. They cannot and do not see “the big picture.”
    And that comes to my point. Without “The Big Picture”, the child cannot be a believable or effective spokesperson/advocate for adult relationships.

  • Jonas

    Single men can adopt children in all 50 states, and they can have children via surrogacy or with female friends or partners.

    Was reading in ‘Bay Windows’ a few days ago that certain states prohibit adoption by homosexuals, regardless of if they are partnered or not. Others specify no adoption by homosexual couples.

    Ironically Florida is one state where gay couples may be foster parents, not adoptive ones. — Meanwhile the fostor child is in the Gay home so long, that he grows emotional bonds to the Gay foster parents, and it is in the best interest of the child to let the Gay couple perminantly adopt the child.

  • Anna

    Jonas, yes, but adoptions by single parents are allowed in all 50 states. There are restrictions in a few states (Florida, Mississippi) against adoptions because of sexual orientation, but there are no restrictions based on marital status.

    That’s why Mary’s statement was so bizarre to me. If you’re a single man, you can become a father through several different means, and there are no laws preventing you from doing so. Hence, no “campaign” is necessary for single men to have children.

  • Anna

    Godless, so one has to intimately understand the nature of sexuality to support marriage equality?

    While I can understand various objections to children being involved in politics, this particular objection doesn’t seem to make much sense. If this was the case, then asexual and aromantic adults could not have a legitimate position on marriage equality either, given that they have not personally experienced sexual or romantic attraction.

    Going further, what about virgins? People who are celibate? People who have never been in love? It seems like an odd requirement to me. I can understand if you object to Will Phillips because you believe a 10-year-old is not cognitively developed enough to understand the political issue, but not a restriction based on his presumably limited experience with romantic and sexual love.

  • http://thegodlessmonster.com/ The Godless Monster

    @Anna,

    “I can understand if you object to Will Phillips because you believe a 10-year-old is not cognitively developed enough to understand the political issue, but not a restriction based on his presumably limited experience with romantic and sexual love.”

    Then I guess you’ll have to be perplexed. For the record, I have no reason to believe that a precocious 10 year old may not be savvy enough to grasp complex political issues.
    I merely state that there’s a credibility gap when a kid talks about adult relationships. I don’t disagree with his message. Accept the fact that there are others who are not going to take part in the echo chamber…there’s room enough for all of us. Some think a 10 year old publicly advocating for gays is great. I question its utility. Let’s not make more of this than necessary.

  • AxeGrrl

    Guys, if you’ve never checked out a youtube poster named ProfMTH and his legal explanations of all the issues involved in the same-sex marriage debate, then you need to…..

    This is the most clear, well-presented explanation of Judge Walker’s decision I’ve ever come across. Its clarity and substance will make you weep with joy :) I’m not kidding, it’s that good :)

    Part 1:
    How proposition 8 went down (1 of 2)
    Part 2:
    How proposition 8 went down (2 of 2)

  • Vas

    The kid is just plain creepy ta boot. It seems to me that he got a taste of the limelight and liked it, (Fun Fact – this is one of only two reasons people learn to play guitars). I don’t believe for a second that this kid is anything more than some creepy sock puppet with a parental hand stuffed up his backside. Just go get him a guitar already and spare us his smug little political rants, even if in substance they are spot on… who cares, not me. Creepy, creepy creepy!
    For christ’s sake this kid still looks young enough to cook and serve for dinner.

    Gay marriage is inevitable, the clock is ticking and you have as much chance to stop it as you do stopping the tide, sure you can hold back the tide, kind of, for a while but really it is a loosing battle. (special shout out to the dutch who aren’t half bad at stopping the actual ocean tide… for now).
    This battle can be won without the use of sock puppets. Everybody knows that not everyone thinks your kid… anyone’s kid is great, cute, smart, whatever… many people find kids gross.

    (My hero? Oh that would be the Child Catcher from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang…. “Lollipops, ice cream, chocolate, all for free today… come along kiddiwinki’s”)

    V

  • http://thegodlessmonster.com/ The Godless Monster

    @AxeGrrl, Thanks! I just watched them…brilliant!!!

  • Vas

    Yep I’m with TGM on that, good video… Thanks Axegrrl
    V

  • AxeGrrl

    My pleasure TGM :) I’m a huge admirer of such great argument-making and clarity of communication :)

    here’s another, equally-brilliant offering from the same guy, that simply demolishes any attempt to bring the topic of children/procreation into the argument against same-sex marriage:

    It’s all about children (or at least the anatomical possibility thereof)

    I loved the graphic of someone carrying a picket sign that says “It’s Adam and Eve, not Adam and some OLD LADY!” hehe

  • Anna

    Then I guess you’ll have to be perplexed. For the record, I have no reason to believe that a precocious 10 year old may not be savvy enough to grasp complex political issues. I merely state that there’s a credibility gap when a kid talks about adult relationships.

    I still don’t get it. You talk as if the credibility gap is because he’s a child, which would lead me to assume you don’t think he’s capable of understanding the issue. It shouldn’t have anything to do with his lack of experience with romantic or sexual love, since plenty of adults have a similar lack of experience, yet they are not denied the right to have an opinion on marriage equality.

    Some think a 10 year old publicly advocating for gays is great. I question its utility. Let’s not make more of this than necessary.

    I’m not arguing that you might question its utility, but if a child is not a credible spokesperson, one would assume it’s because he lacks understanding of the issue. Since you admit he can understand the issue, I don’t understand your objection. Would Will Phillips have more credibility if he were personally affected? If he were the child of two moms or two dads, he would have a vested interest in the outcome of legislation.

  • slingshot

    Perhaps Will Phillips will campaign for the ‘right’ for single-men to have children next.

    Wait, single men aren’t allowed to have kids? I know quite a few single fathers who will be surprised to hear this. When did it become illegal? What should they do with their children? (especially if the mother’s dead??)


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