This Is What Happens When You Listen to Anti-Gay Groups

Here’s a frightening story about a politician cyber-bullying a college student:

For nearly six months, Andrew Shirvell, an assistant attorney general for the state of Michigan, has waged an internet campaign against college student Chris Armstrong, the openly gay student assembly president at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor.

Using the online moniker “Concerned Michigan Alumnus,” Shirvell launched his blog in late April.

“Welcome to ‘Chris Armstrong Watch,’” Shirvell wrote in his inaugural blog post. “This is a site for concerned University of Michigan alumni, students, and others who oppose the recent election of Chris Armstrong — a RADICAL HOMOSEXUAL ACTIVIST, RACIST, ELITIST, & LIAR — as the new head of student government.”

If this is news to you, watch Shirvell get interview by Anderson Cooper. It’s one of the most uncomfortable interviews you’ll ever see:

Assistant Attorney General. For real. I’m impressed Anderson kept calm the whole time.

Take a step back for a second, though. As you listen to Shirvell, it’s clear that every single argument he makes is something the Christian Right has said before.

I’m not a bigot.

I don’t have a hateful bone in my body. I love gay people.

I’m not a bully.

I don’t care if he’s gay; I only care that he advances a “radical homosexual agenda.”

Peter LaBarbera, the people at the Illinois Family Institute, the anti-gay-marriage groups, everyone who spoke at the AFTAH anti-gay seminar — this is the exact kind of rhetoric they use.

Everything a gay person does, it seems, is part of a “radical agenda.”

They claim they love gay people… and show that love by making their lives a living hell.

They know gay students are constantly harassed and yet they fight against bullying legislation that would protect those students.

They may not stalk individuals like Shirvell is doing, but other than that, I don’t see much of a difference. I’m only shocked they haven’t all come quickly to his defense. (Even they must realize this guy’s a creeper.)

And what did the student body president do that has Shirvell so worked up?

Armstrong has supported gender-neutral housing at the university for transgender students who haven’t had sexual reassignment surgery.

WHAT?! OH NO! HE’S DESTROYING THE WORLD!

You would think Shirvell would be more freaked out by same-sex dorms — clearly promoting the radical homosexual agenda of the people in the Residence Life department…

Anyway, besides all that, it’s the last 30 seconds that really hammer home the main issue here. If Shirvell has to represent a gay client, will that person get a fair hearing under the law?

Shirvell avoided the question entirely.

  • http://www.bigmama247.com Alise

    Thanks for bringing this to attention. OMG.

    This is astounding. So glad that Anderson calls out cyber-bullying. Cause hells yes, this is ABSOLUTELY cyber-bulling.

  • Claudia

    Hemant, you’re a very good man to not mention the obvious other issue. Thankfully, I’m not quite as noble as you.

    I had to go out and buy myself a new gaydar after this interview. This guy overloaded it. Every minute of the interview, let alone his creeeeeeeeepy blog (warning, shower will be required after reading) shows he’s absolutely obsessed with this young man. That isn’t hyperbole by the way, he’s 100% off-the-wall Stalker Code Red obsessed. His every waking hour he can dedicate to anything outside work is devoted to reading facebook, following him around and general stalkerish behavior that make me worry for the physical safety of this boy.

    I know we always say that the closet does terrible things to a person (Hi Peter LaBarbera!) but I have to think that this guy has bigger problems than being an obvious closet-case. He has actual mental issues. His disgusting points of view aside, I think serious doubts can be credibly raised about his mental state being incompatible with his legal duties.

  • Siamang

    Sadly, this behavior will make this guy a hero among the Tea Partiers.

    “I’m more extreme than you!” seems to be their rallying cry.

  • Siamang

    Oh, and if I were in the same place as Chris Armstrong, I’d be taking self-defense classes and firearms training. This guy is scary, like Dexter scary.

  • Juno

    From Shirvell’s most recent post on his blog:
    “Adam, pictured to the right with his thumbs up thoroughly enjoying a recent ride on an elephant with a “friend,” is so vindictive in fact that as a “joke” he utilized a mug shot of former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick as his FB profile pic from May through August of this year – during the height of the Michigan gubernatorial primary campaign. Oh, and did I mention that Adam does not even live in Michigan anymore?! In fact, he has resided in or around Washington, D.C. for the past couple of years. Talk about obsession? Look in the mirror, Adam. Or, in this case, look at your own FB wall over the last several years. What a truly sad and pathetic person Adam is.

    So, on his blog that thoroughly documents his stalking of another individual, he reveals that he is carefully watching another person very closely, and calls him out for joking about a candidate in another district and calls him pathetic for doing so. You just can’t make this stuff up.

  • ludovico

    I feel sad for Mr. Shirvell–he’s obviously desperately in love with this guy! This is so typical of men who try so hard to deny their same-sex attraction. Mr. Shirvell comes across not so much as a rabid gay-basher of the Fred Phelps variety, but as a sad tormented soul. When I was religious, I would have prayed for him.

  • Toni

    He calls Chris a racist but he wouldn’t even talk about that. Does he have anything to back that up? My guess is no.

  • Peregrine

    “I have no problem with the fact that Chris is a homosexual. I have a problem with the fact that he’s advancing a radical homosexual agenda.”

    I have no problem with the fact that Andrew Shirvell is a Christian. I have a problem with the fact that he’s advancing a radical Christian agenda.

  • Aaron

    I have no problem with the fact that Andrew Shirvell is a Christian. I have a problem with the fact that he’s advancing a radical Christian agenda.

    I assume you meant that ironically, but that is actually how I feel.

  • Heidi

    Other outcomes of the anti-gay agenda Christians promote: hate crimes.

  • aerie

    In light of the recents suicides of Tyler Clementi in NJ and Seth Walsh in CA, Shirvell’s kind of hate and bigotry can have devastating results. Christians have blood on their hands as far as I’m concerned. Their bullsh*t about “hate the sin, love the sinner” is nothing but a lie to ease their guilt yet remain true to their loving, forgiving, evil sky-daddy and insure their own pathetic treasures in a delusional heaven. I sincerely question this man’s mental state as he possesses a “stalker’s obsession”. He is clearly mentally ill. How this man still has a job is a beyong explanation.

    He is truly an example of the evil that is religion.

  • Richard P.

    As I peer through the looking glass, I can’t help but think, WTF??

    I’d be taking self-defense classes

    I take an assault charge and go outside and kick his ass.

  • Hitch

    This is completely outrageous. Cyberbullying is bad enough. A state procecutor doing this is beyond the pale.

    So how are we to think of it? Assume you write the state procecutor’s office a letter of complaint about this (or any matter they some person there is bigoted about), will some person there start a web-page cyber-stalking you in response?

    This is borderline fascist frankly. This guy should be investigated and tried for cyber-bullying, have an investigation for his ethical obligations of his office. If that guy isn’t out of that job soon it is a very bad sign for Michigan.

    Because that nasty immoral loons exist is life. That the institutions that are supposed to protect us from it are corrupted to do the inverse is completely unacceptable.

  • http://www.holytape.etsy.com Holytape

    If I were Chris Armstrong, I would attempt to get a restraining order. Not that I think that it would do much, but I am assuming that having a restraining order slapped on you can not do wonders for your career as an assistant DA.

    Andrew Shirvell is unbalanced and a stalker. And in all honesty, I wouldn’t be if Chris comes home one night to find Shirvell standing in his kitchen over a rabbit boiling in a pot muttering that he will not be ignored.

  • Revyloution

    Wow, I normally would try to think of something clever or intelligent to add the the discussion.

    Unfortunately, all I can add is:

    What a douche nozzle.

  • http://www.banalleakage.com martymankins

    I watched this last night from a link that Roger Ebert posted on his Sun Times blog. Watching this freak showed that (as you said above) he’s repeating the ad nauseum bullshit that everyone else does. I’m beginning to think that Bill Maher is right when he calls this type of thinking and actions brain damage. Where you are so deep into your delusion that you don’t see the illogic of your actions.

    But yet he’s smart enough to know how to skirt around the 1st Amendment allowing him to spew his hated legally.

  • http://theehtheist.blogspot.com The “Eh” theist

    On a positive note, we know how much of a nutbar this guy is because of the awesome job AC did in the interview. Kept leading with enough line until Shirvell would state something and then AC would point out what the statement implied.

    He wouldn’t let Shirvell backtrack or muddy the water, clearly showed CNN viewers just which ideas and speech Shirvell wanted to “protect” while providing definitions of those positions for viewers.

    Cooper was clear, rational, articulate and didn’t allow himself to get tangled up in the free speech issue even once. He then went on last night to do the same thing to Shirvell’s boss, the AG of Michigan and exposed him for what he supported as well.

    Looking at the CNN chat, it appears a lot of people who have been indifferent to the issue of mistreatment/abuse directed at homosexuals saw it in a new light as the result of these two interviews and the interview AC did with Tyler Clementi’s parents.

  • JD

    I love Christians, really. I’m tired of the ones that push a radical Christian fascist agenda.

  • http://www.unmails.com Tyler

    I wrote to Mike Cox, the Attorney General. His email:

    miag@michigan.gov

  • Samiimas

    I don’t care if he’s gay; I only care that he advances a “radical homosexual agenda.”

    This is why I refuse to ever listen to anyone whining about ‘radical’ or ‘militant’ atheists. I’ve spent years seeing the accusations of ‘radical’ and ‘militant homosexual’ thrown around and it’s taught me that the one and only thing that makes someone ‘radical’ is that they’re not the least bit ashamed of who they are and they aren’t willing to calmly put up with the BS society throws at them.

    In both cases the only way a person could avoid being labeled ‘radical’ is if they shut up, pretended to be someone else and never challenged the status quo in any way. That’s the definition of a ‘polite’ homosexual/atheist.

  • Matteo Watkins

    I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, if these bloody people would just stop worrying their little brians about what everybody else is doing and focus on making sure they are outstanding citizens themselves, then we’d have a much better world. At the least, they should use their over developed senses of Christian self righteousness and aim them back at their own Christian communities, there is plenty of sin there to be had (and corrected)there, and it would be refreshing to see them clean their own house before worrying what others are up to… in a nutshell, that’s what pisses me off about religious folk in general… damn.

  • cat

    He doesn’t hate queer people, he just hates that he isn’t allowed to set us on fire (or drown the females, as per the proper medieval punishment) the moment we come out of the closet or ask for rights. He loves us the same way the Spanish Inquisition loved Jewish people.

    This guy hates queer people and women (because no one who thinks that queer people are evil because we destroy ‘traditional gender roles’ thinks highly of women either). He has also gone far across the line from free speech to illegal stalking and harassment.

  • Richard Wade

    I watched Shirvell’s interview and read much of his blog. In addition to the obvious paranoia and sheer absurdity of his statements, there is a mechanical, repetitive quality to his speech as well as his writing that makes my diagnosis alarms go off. This is the kind of person whom I would immediately send from my counseling office down the hall to the psychiatrist’s office. I think it’s quite possible there is something much more serious going on than the idea of his being secretly gay and externalizing his self hatred.

  • Samiimas

    Their bullsh*t about “hate the sin, love the sinner” is nothing but a lie to ease their guilt

    This is so bloody true. Try asking one of them if they’d think a group of atheists would be hateful if they opposed rights for Christians, their forced to lie and claim it wouldn’t be because admitting the obvious, that if Atheists spoke of Christians in the same way Christians talk about gays absolutely no one would be pretending they aren’t hate filled bigots, destroys their entire argument.

    One time I got really frustrated with someone who kept accusing Atheists of being militant and trying to take rights away. After a hundred posts were I had finally got him to admit the absolute worst example of Atheist tyranny he can find is Dawkins and friends being rude I decided to flip it around and force him to explain exactly how his church isn’t partially responsible for the epidemic of suicide and depression in gay kids. It’s inevitable that some of the children in the congregation will turn out gay and will have been dragged by their parents to years of sermons were they’re told, and he admitted this was his church’s views, that gay people are sinful, wrong and they should try to be straight.

    His argument for how these sermons don’t destroy the self-esteem of any homosexual in the audience was to blather about how words like ‘condemn’ and ‘sinful’ are totally different somehow when used in church and the dictionary definitions don’t apply. When I tried asking him if he honestly thought the 13 year olds being dragged to church by their parents know or even care about this supposed difference he blocked me. I guess I was too ‘radical’ and ‘militant’.

  • Stephen P

    @Richard: you would be particularly well qualified to share your concerns with the Attorney General of Michigan, if you can find time to do so.

  • SecularLez

    I’m waiting for this guy to be exposed as gay. We’ve seen the history of anti-gay folks such as this dude.
    Honestly, there are much better ways to spend your time.

  • Bob

    This is the email I just sent to Mike Cox, Michigan AG.

    Mr. Cox,

    As a responsible citizen I urge you and your office to immediately investigate your assistant Attorney General, Andrew Shirvell for Cyber Bullying. His actions on his website clearly meet and exceed the requirements laid out in Michigans own definition of Cyber bullying and it is setting a very very bad example that senior officials in your own office are breaking your own guidelines.

    I sincerely hope that we don’t have to read of harm coming to Chris Armstrong, or of his suicide, due to this relentless pressure put on this young college student by a grown adult, albeit a vindictive one.

    We have recent example of the tragedy of this in Tyler Clementi in NJ.
    Act now, don’t have blood on your hands due to your inactivity.

  • http://smartmenlovereason.blogspot.com/ Elric the Mad

    Okay, here is my 2 cents worth, and at that its likely over-priced. First of all, i have no information or even suspicion that the man in question is secretly gay. As a skeptic i feel it is inappropriate to speculate on Andrew Shirvell’s sexual orientation and i don’t think it would be relevant if i did have any information one way or another.

    Secondly, i am not a lawyer nor a legal scholar. I do not know the relevant laws or case history, but these attacks seem very much like libel to me. If he calls Mr. Armstrong a Nazi (a term heavy with emotional power) without any evidence of his ever participating in Nazi activities or belonging to any Nazi groups isn’t that libelous? The same goes for accusing Mr. Armstrong a racist.

    I am a strong supporter of the First Amendment and freedom of speech, and feel in grey areas we should err on the side of free expression. However i don’t think i should be allowed to, for hypothetical example only, call Mr. Shrivell a pedophile without any evidence of such actions. Just to be clear, i have no evidence that Mr. Shrivell is a a pedophile nor even the least suspicion that he might be one; yet i imagine some who read this have an emotional response just seeing that word associated however loosely with a person. Racist and Nazi are words with a similar negative power and Mr. Shrivell seems to have used these words cavalierly.

    Creepy or not, bigoted or not, i would like to assume an AAG for the state of Michigan would know the laws regarding libel and ore the laws regarding cyber-bullying. Perhaps his intense and extreme beliefs have over-ridden his ability to see what he has done or said, and over-ridden his formal training in the law also.

    If anyone has more experienced or informed opinions on libel laws and how they may or may not apply, i would love to see them here.

  • Randy

    Someone really needs to sit down and talk to this loons boss. He’s using his position for intimidation no matter what he says.

  • http://kpharri.wordpress.com/ Keith

    Shirvell is clearly psychologically ill – he needs counseling. And in the meantime, whoever is hosting his blog ought to make sure he is not infringing the conditions he agreed to when he started it.

  • http://atheistweb.org Chris

    An email doesn’t seem substantial enough for the seriousness of the complaint I want to send to Mike Cox, the Attorney General about his assistant. A proper letter seems most appropriate since it’s not so easily disgarded.

    As far as I can determine from the UK the correct address is below. If I’ve got it wrong please let me know.

    Michigan Department of Attorney General
    Lansing Office
    G. Mennen Williams Building, 7th Floor
    525 W. Ottawa St.
    P.O. Box 30212
    Lansing, MI 48909

  • Maria

    I’m a U of M grad. I first met Chris my junior year, and he’s been in my immediate friendship group ever since. You could never meet a nicer, more motivated, loving individual. He’s done absolutely nothing to warrant this guy’s behavior (obviously) and I think he’s taken the very mature choice not to give interviews or debate/confront this guy, because there’s no reason to dignify this whack-job, and like Richard Dawkins has said, “That’d look good on your CV, not so good on mine.”

    And it’s not just Chris that’s being harrassed. Several of our friends, people I know well, who are kind and smart, have been made to deal with Andrew too. He’ll wait outside Necto (a local club) on Friday nights and confront them. One friend called me to talk to her on the phone during her walk home at night because they’d run into this guy outside the club and she was scared he was going to follow her. Chris’ family has come under attack too.

    Quite honestly, everyone is in shock about this even after all these months. It’s one of those crazy things that never seems to happen to YOUR friends, to YOUR family.

    I believe in free speech. I believe that he SHOULD be able to say what he wants. But every time he opens his mouth, he just exposes himself even more for the basket case he is.

    If you want to complain, go to: https://secure1.state.mi.us/complaints/consumer.aspx and send letters to:
    525 WEST OTTAWA, LANSING, MI 48909.
    Make your secondary complaint about “Michael Cox”.

  • Hypatia’s Daughter

    Yes, Richard Wade, listening to him rang some alarm bells for me too. Something very off….
    Hitch’s point that as asst AG, he would be in the position to either interfere with a complaint to his office or “act on it” belies his claim that he has this right as “a private citizen”. There are some positions in society (such as doctors, lawyers and those who hold political appointments) that carry a higher responsibility than for an ordinary citizens, because they wield extraordinary power over others’ lives.
    But I must say, Shirvell’s insistence that this is just a how one runs a political campaign – over someone who is just the student assembly president at a state university – made me LOL. I hope Shirvell never runs for the senate or his opponent will probably end up wearing cement overshoes.

  • Jenda

    I find it amusing that Shirvell’s biggest issue with Armstrong’s “radical gay agenda” at the university is that Armstrong wants to introduce “gender neutral housing” at the university – allowing opposite sex students to live together instead of with same-sex only. Yes, the radical gay agenda wants men and women to live together. Frightening.

  • Jennifer

    If this is what christianity is about, it’s no wonder that Atheism is growing by leaps and bounds! How can anyone claim that this is god’s love in action?

  • Andrew

    What Chris should do is get a couple of large buddies (gay or straight, doesn’t matter) to come over to his house, then he should go outside (sans buddies, but they should be watching, just in case) and make passes at Shirvell:

    “Hey Mr. Shirvell, howya doin’ {licks lips}? I saw you out here, all sweaty – would you like to come inside for a glass of lemonade…?”

    Oh – alright, I know it is a stereotype, but if Shirvell wants a “gay agenda”, he should get it “full tilt”. For all anyone knows, Shirvell might try to secretly take Armstrong up on the offer (at which point, the buddies are witnesses).

    Worst-case scenario: Shirvell whigs-out, becomes violent, and buddies issue a beat-down…

  • http://miketheinfidel.blogspot.com/ MikeTheInfidel

    Shirvell has set his blog to ‘invite only.’ Guess it’s a good thing I mirrored it!

    http://freeplay.halfmoon.ws/chris-armstrong-watch/

    Enjoy. Ick.

  • Alonzo

    This guy is totally going to get caught in some glory hole somewhere!

  • Neon Genesis

    If they have to say they love gay people over and over again to convince people that they do, then chances are that they probably don’t love gay people.

  • Unholy Holly

    I bet something snapped in this guy’s head after being elected to his office. He repeatedly talks about his attacks being justifiable because they are in the realm of campaign rhetoric. He’s about as loony tunes as they come. His demeanor while talking is unnerving — there may really be something wrong with that guy. He needs to arrange a court-ordered psychological evaluation for himself.
    (Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy#Characteristics)

  • Reality Chic

    As a proud Michigan alumna, I am glad to see such a forward-thinking student leader as Chris Armstrong. Go Blue!

  • Verimius

    I think it’s axiomatic by now that gay haters are having trouble dealing with their own urges.

    Also, could someone explain to me the difference between a “radical homosexual agenda” and the regular homosexual agenda. Thanks.

  • Richard Wade

    I don’t understand Shirvell’s “This is a political campaign” statements. What campaign?
    Armstrong isn’t running for Assistant Attorney General, and Shirvell isn’t running for Student Body President. Nobody seems to be asking him what the heck he’s talking about.

    As of now, I doubt that Shirvell could win an election for Assistant State Sewer Cleaner. I heard that he helped AG Cox with his election. He’d be the kiss of death to be on a campaign committee now. Assuming he’s a lawyer, maybe he can go work for Fred Phelps. (ptui)

  • http://www.myspace.com/timtationsmusic Tim D.

    Wow, I normally would try to think of something clever or intelligent to add the the discussion.

    Unfortunately, all I can add is:

    What a douche nozzle.

    That’s actually almost exactly what I came here to say….seconded!

  • Bobby

    While I am against bullying, the link in the article about anti-bulling laws in Illinois was, I believe, a good piece. It certainly brought up some valid points. I am for everyone’s civil rights, not just homosexuals.

  • Iggy

    Guess someone will be looking for a job soon.

    But just like some -other- evangelicals, he will soon be outed for being what he hates the most.

  • jimspice

    Looks like Cox finally got some balls: http://bit.ly/9UCNtO

  • Samiimas

    the link in the article about anti-bulling laws in Illinois was, I believe, a good piece. It certainly brought up some valid points. I am for everyone’s civil rights, not just homosexuals.

    So do you seriously believe that both:

    A. Schools only bother stopping bullying when it’s for race, religion, gender, sexual orientation and other things listed on the policy. They just stand by and do nothing when people are made fun of for being stupid or ugly, and for that reason we need a policy vague enough to apply to any cause.

    B. Schools only list race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, etc. as some elaborate conspiracy and not just because those are the issues someone is likely to get the worst treatment for and which bigoted school officials are most likely to try to ignore by pointing out that theirs no official policy saying that calling someone a fag every single day is bullying.

    Because their whole argument rests on those premises.

  • John Hoffman

    The repressed gaiety here is sad. The “wide-stance” episode in the Ann Arbor airport is sure to follow!

  • J

    This AAG is a disgusting individual. Period. Michigan should fire him simply for the embarrassment he has caused in the public eye.

    But I can’t help but draw a parallel between this story and the Tyler Clementi one. Namely, that in THIS CASE the target of these vicious attacks has not committed suicide, but instead is the class president and is doing quite well for himself.

    I was heartbroken that Tyler C. felt his only recourse in the face bigotry and insensitive bullying was to take his own life. I cannot, and therefore will not, speculate as to what it was that drove him to the actions he took. However, I will say, without apology or reservation, that it was the wrong choice, and the responsibility for that choice rests squarely on his (Clementi’s) shoulders.

    There has always been bullying, and as much as we might like to, we cannot legislate against hurt feelings. Rather, we need to teach children who are increasingly narcissistic and thin-skinned, coping mechanisms to be able to deal with the fact that not everyone in this world is going to be nice to you. If this sounds calloused, then it is because I am calloused. I was bullied was I was young, and eventually learned that for it to stop I had to give as good as I got. Of course, there are other mechanisms to deflect bullying as well, but the main lessons to take away are these:

    1. Life isn’t fair. You’re no different than the countless others that have been subjected to bullying over the years.
    2. That doesn’t make it right, so stand up for yourself! Speak up, do what it takes, but don’t back down. Respect yourself.
    3. You have a roof over your head, food in your stomach, and you get to go to school. That makes you more fortunate than ~50% of the world at any given time.
    3. Quit feeling sorry for yourself, grow some character, and know that things will get better, if you want them to.

  • Rick

    I have to agree with Claudia, living in SF, my gaydar is finely tuned, and this guy put the meter at maximum. And, his behavior is typical of someone that can’t deal with his own sexuality.

  • http://www.bigmama247.com Alise

    Was very happy to see this today: http://www.towleroad.com/2010/10/andrew-shirvell-suspended-over-anti-gay-blog.html

    Thanks to all who made their voices heard. This garbage is NOT okay. It wasn’t okay before the interview either, but I’m glad that it got enough attention to see Shirvell suspended.

  • muggle

    I’ll third the douche nozzle. What an apt description!

    Claudia took the words right out of my mouth. Exactly what I was thinking.

    Anderson Cooper is great and a fantastic reporter and interviewer (all that and easy on the eyes and with an excellent voice-over type voice no less, man, he hit the genetic jackpot; muggle tells herself, down girl, focus) but I too was wondering why he didn’t ask what campaign?

    I’m sorry but his obsession is obvious and I hope Chris Armstrong is taking serious measures (not just a restrainging order) to protect himself because this guy is going to sooner or later go ballastic whether or not he loses his job as he should based on his illegal cyber-bullying and harrassment.

    It’ll just be immediate if he does. However, if his boss keeps looking the other way giving him reason to thik he can get away with ever rising obsessive and repressive behavior, it’s still going to happen; perhaps, when Mr. Armstrong’s guard is down and he is vulnerable. Better to fire him and take action now. Nip it in the damned bud as much as possible. This nutcase is a bomb waiting to explode. Defuse the asshole!

  • muggle

    Oh, and…

    (because no one who thinks that queer people are evil because we destroy ‘traditional gender roles’ thinks highly of women either).

    yep, absolutely. I couldn’t have said it better.

  • http://www.bigmama247.com Alise

    Not suspended, on leave. http://detnews.com/article/20101001/METRO/10010422/Assistant-AG-takes-leave-amid-gay-bashing-controversy

    Continue with the emails, letters & calls. Not okay.

  • Mike H

    How long do you think it will be before we catch Shirvell coming out of a gay bar late one night?

  • http://fransdejonge.com Frans

    Am I the only one who thought it was really creepy that the guy worked Anderson’s name into just about every other sentence?

  • plum grenville

    I was heartbroken that Tyler C. felt his only recourse in the face bigotry and insensitive bullying was to take his own life. I cannot, and therefore will not, speculate as to what it was that drove him to the actions he took. However, I will say, without apology or reservation, that it was the wrong choice, and the responsibility for that choice rests squarely on his (Clementi’s) shoulders.

    There has always been bullying, and as much as we might like to, we cannot legislate against hurt feelings. Rather, we need to teach children who are increasingly narcissistic and thin-skinned, coping mechanisms to be able to deal with the fact that not everyone in this world is going to be nice to you. If this sounds calloused, then it is because I am calloused. I was bullied was I was young, and eventually learned that for it to stop I had to give as good as I got. Of course, there are other mechanisms to deflect bullying as well, but the main lessons to take away are these:

    1. Life isn’t fair. You’re no different than the countless others that have been subjected to bullying over the years.
    2. That doesn’t make it right, so stand up for yourself! Speak up, do what it takes, but don’t back down. Respect yourself.
    3. You have a roof over your head, food in your stomach, and you get to go to school. That makes you more fortunate than ~50% of the world at any given time.
    3. Quit feeling sorry for yourself, grow some character, and know that things will get better, if you want them to.

    Way to blame the victim, J.

    I won’t belittle your experience, J., but I have a hard time believing it was on anything like the same level as Tyler Clementi’s.

    Childhood bullying goes well beyond “hurt feelings”. It often involves acts which would be illegal if performed by an adult.

    Violence, threats of violence, extortion, stealing are treated as the crimes they are when an adult is the victim.

    Lesser acts of bullying – “accidental” tripping or shoving, following, knocking over a bike rider, verbal abuse, spreading false rumours, harrassing phone calls, interference with someone’s possessions, attempts to publicly embarrass someone – which form a pattern of threatening behaviour would quickly add up to a charge of stalking or harrassment if engaged in by an adult.

    Why do we expect children to cope on their own with behaviour that would lead most adults to call the police? Why aren’t we serious about protecting the most vulnerable group in society from this kind of treatment?

    Of course bullying can’t be completely prevented. However, I believe it could be greatly reduced and the harm to the victim could be minimized if the will existed among adults.

    I don’t think harsh punishment or zero tolerance policies are necessary. Simply prompt and consistent punishment for any infraction after the bully has been warned to stay away from the victim. If necessary, the victim should be provided with an adult escort until the bullying stops.

    Clear determination to do whatever it takes to prevent further bullying would send a far stronger message of social support to the victim (and social condemnation to the bully) than exhortations to “grow a thicker skin” and “stand up for yourself”.

  • rickster

    i live in michigan. this is all part of a plan to get a test case before the courts to overturn the hate crime law. their buddies at the michigan family association need a plaintif. shirvell will be it. his boss, cox, didn’t even bother to read that blog when he defended it. shirvell is on PAID leave. he isn’t being punishd and cox never will punish him except fora slap on the wrist and a wink. both are gay bashers. this is hate speech pure and simple. this has gone so far that shirvell has staked out the kids house and video taped a party and the cops mysteriously showing up with him filming. makes one wonder who called the police.

  • http://godobscuresperception.blogspot.com God Obscures Perception

    Creepy. Weird. How can this guy be the ATTORNEY GENERAL? This is one of the most upsetting things I’ve seen in awhile.

    As others have said, it’s behavior like this that led to that poor Rutgers kid’s suicide. It’s bad enough to put up with shit like this in high school or college, but one could think “it gets better, once I go out into the real world…” but then there’s people like Shirvell, an ADULT who picks on a college kid. It definitely would make the world seem pretty bleak.

  • John Harvey

    Unless Assistant Attorney General is an elected office why was this man allowed to stay in office this long. I do not know of any state where Assistant Attorney General is an elected office.

    Attorney General is an elected office in many states and look what it got us here in Pennsylvania, an AG who is running for Governor while being paid by the tax payers to protect our rights. Meantime he filed suit to overturn Health Care Reform to gain points with the right wing of the Republican Party. We will have a chance to vote him out of office at the end of his 4-year term (whether he wins or not).

    Non-elected officials cannot be voted out. They have to be impeached and convicted to remove them.

  • Bobby

    3. Conditions that carry no moral implications (e.g. race, sex, and disability): the crafters of this bill excluded other morally neutral conditions for which far more students are bullied, like obesity, nearsightedness, farsightedness, acne, speech impediments, shyness, social awkwardness, or lack of athletic ability.

    Now, as someone who was bullied growing up, I can tell that it sucks. I was fat, shy, I wear glasses, and I wasn’t very good at sports. I can recall many situations where these factors were used as a basis for bullying me. I was hit some, had stuff stolen and hid, was insulted. Perhaps the worst thing ever done to me was when someone in my class who lived in my neighborhood stole my bike and, as he was riding away, he shouted, “You’re too fat to need this tubby.” I can tell you that it hurt to have someone steal something that was important to you, and insult you as they did it. However, the majority of the bullying happened at the school.
    I’m not saying that it was intentional that those conditions were left out, but they certainly should have been included in there. In my school, I knew a number of gay kids were actually treated a lot better than some of the other typical bullying victims. There was one time when a kid was bringing in a science project to show to a college recruiter who came specifically to the school to see him. It was something to do with chemicals. As he was taking it from the car, one of his usual tormentors was in the parking lot and decided to mess with him. He walked up to the kid and pushed him, making him fall and the project fell on top of him, breaking the bottles. In one of the bottles was a type of acid. It started eating through his clothes, and then his skin. Luckily one of his friends saw and was able to stop the acid before it ate through his chest.
    This is why I believe that it should include everyone, not just homosexuals and race and sex and religion and all the other stuff that is already against the law to discriminate against.

  • MadScutter

    Ok, I know this topic is a bit stale, but I just happened to come across an article from five years ago featuring Shirvell (I’ve gotta assume it is the same guy) pitching a fit about a pride sticker at a pizza place.

    http://www.michigandaily.com/content/gay-pride-sticker-sparks-controversy-pizzeria

    (FYI – I found the article because of a quote on FSTDT)

  • http://www.acrumbfalls.com C

    He’s finally been fired.

  • Guest

    He’s probably gay… The Shirvell gay.

  • http://www.facebook.com/elisaulr Elisaúl Rodríguez Cordero

    He’s probably gay. Shirvell.


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