The Pathetic ‘Care’ Provided By Christian Pregnancy Clinics

Cienna Madrid has an eye-opening writeup of how Christian-run pregnancy clinics operate. It turns out they’re not just unhelpful but also incredibly harmful for women:

Only half of the six pregnancy centers Megan and I visit during our weeklong pregnancy test spree disclose over the phone that they don’t perform or refer for abortions. None mention that they’re Christian-run clinics. “We do not discriminate, judge, or lecture,” says a woman with Whatcom County Pregnancy Clinic, a crisis pregnancy center in Bellingham, when I pointedly ask if the organization is Christian and if they refer for abortions. She dodges the referral question, saying only, “Come in and take a free test. It’ll only take a minute and then we can discuss your options.”

At every center, Megan and I are faithfully given false information about abortions that is presented as fact. Their statistics come from debunked medical studies, the conservative Medical Institute, and Focus on the Family.

The centers often won’t give women their results in writing, which they need to qualify for medical coupons or Women, Infants, and Children programs in Washington. They refuse to issue referrals for services they can’t provide and morally object to. And when women visit these centers, they have no guarantee that their medical information will be kept private — again, the centers aren’t obliged to follow standard HIPAA privacy regulations because they’re not medically licensed businesses.

Isn’t it amazing how Christians believe their faith is synonymous with kindness and “Truth” when, in practice, there are all too many examples of how Jesus’ followers constantly practice selfishness and deception?

Madrid summarizes the experience in this passage:

For that woman at the Christian adoption center, it was more important to deny medical access that might conflict with her religious views than to help a scared teenager with no support system find the services she needed. That was the Christian thing to do.

It’s sickening that any woman in need would be treated like this. Churches often collect money and supplies from their congregation to keep clinics like this running — they’re proud of this sorry excuse for health care.

(I’m guessing the church ladies go somewhere else, though, when they need to get abortions for themselves…)

(Thanks to JulietEcho for the link)

  • Sarah TX.

    For women seeking an abortion, time is of the essence – especially women who are on federal or private insurance that does not pay for abortion. Every week that passes increases the cost and increases the amount of money that needs to be raised by poorer patients. There are reports that many “Crisis Pregnancy Centers” will intentionally delay the date of an appointment so as to limit the options of their “patients”. Furthermore, they will lie about the gestational age of the baby or the availability of abortion options past a certain gestational age.

    CPC Watch is a great resource for more information.

  • inmyhead

    When I was in high school the older girls kind of made it their mission to educate the younger girls about the christian clinics because if you need want an abortion they would wait for a very long to time give the test results. They would lose information and then not call if you were pregnant until it was too late to get an abortion. I never had to go through any of this firs hand, but obviously some of the girls did and I am thankful that they were there for the girls who were in trouble. It outraged me then and it does still now.

  • http://atheist-nurse.blogspot.com Roki B

    This is why I’m applying to volunteer for Planned Parenthood. I could apply for a job but one of the ways I’m helping to pay forward my parents paying my nursing school education is to donate my time and expertise to an underserved and at risk population. Planned Parenthood is awesome and their services stopped many babies from being made when I was relieving stress with girlfriends, i practically owe them

  • The Other Tom

    The centers often won’t give women their results in writing,

    It’s medical information, which means it’s covered by HIPAA, which means (I’m pretty certain) they are legally obligated to give it to you. Report them to the feds.

  • Chris

    The Other Tom- read the whole article- they are private facilities not covered by HIPAA

  • Dr. Cuddles

    I’m with you that they should be using better statistics, but the rest of your argument seems a little weak. Its not their fault they aren’t required to follow privacy regulations, and I don’t think its fair to blame them for not recommending something they consider tantamount to murder. The worst accusation you could make is that some of these clinics are poorly run.

  • http://atheist-nurse.blogspot.com Roki B

    The worst accusation you could make is that some of these clinics are maliciously misleading and providing incomplete and inaccurate information in order to coerce clients to make decsisions that are in line with their views rather than decisions that are fully informed and in line with the desires of the client

    “poorly run” is a terrible, terrible understatement.

  • Steve

    @Dr. Cuddles
    Saying that they don’t merely refer people to clinics that provide abortions is grossly understating what actually happens.

    Read some of this stuff (it’s scary):
    http://cpcwatch.org/Women%27s-Stories.php

    They completely misinform their clients and outright lie to them. They lie about the complications that can arise from abortions. They even lie about the use of contraception – trying to sell abstinence instead. They delay appointments and tests so that their pregnancies are further along when they seek real help. They use emotional manipulation and blackmail to get what they want. They preach and proselytize. They withhold services like the morning after pill by lying that there is a 48 hour waiting period – after which they say that it’s too late. They offer ultrasounds not for any medical reason, but simply so that the women can see something (and of course have more guilt).

    They are even against single mothers raising children and rather attempt to force them to give up their children for abortion.

  • Wen

    @Dr. Cuddles- the worst accusation is that the “poorly run” part is on purpose.

  • PerpetualDissent

    It’s not their fault they aren’t required to follow privacy regulations

    Just because the law doesn’t require something doesn’t mean you don’t have a moral obligation.

  • Joe

    I found the exact same situation when my then 19-year old girlfriend got pregnant (she was on the pill… didn’t work). We went to a “Crisis Pregnancy Center” in her small college town in North Carolina, and were surprised to discover it might as well have been called the “don’t get an abortion, they are dirty and dangerous, there are many other options Pregnancy Center.” My (Christian) g/f had already said she wanted an abortion, which i was good with, because it would have ruined both of our college careers, so we went in there thinking they could at least refer some places, since we didn’t know where to look.

    All they did was show us books with abortion tools used in the 60′s and dead fetuses, tell us likely bogus statistics about the number of women killed during botched abortions and the number of couples who break up immediately afterwards, and give us referrals to adoption agencies if we couldn’t keep the baby. Their whole spiel didn’t change my mind, but I was worried it might scared my g/f into keeping it. Fortunately, we left and the first thing she said was “those people are crazy, let’s go somewhere else,” so we went to my larger college city and just looked in the yellowpages under ‘a’, and found what we needed.

    I think it’d be “proper” to claim the whole situation was a very hard and trying time in our lives, and while it certainly wasn’t fun or easy, we both felt it was a pretty clear-cut decision, and neither of us (since then married for 5 years, then divorced recently) regret it or have any doubt whatsoever that we are better off without an 11 year old kid.

  • Robert W.

    A review of the Crisis Pregnancy Center Website clearly reveals they are a Christian based nonprofit organization that supports bringing the baby to term:

    From their website:

    The Crisis Pregnancy Center is a non-profit, volunteer, Christian agency which seeks to provide the assistance and support a woman in crisis pregnancy needs in order to bring her baby to term.

    If you are concerned about women being told their choices in a fair and balanced way then you should also avoid Planned Parenthood, who performed over 340,000 abortions last year and only made 2,400 referrals for adoption. Oh yea, they get paid to do the abortions, not the referrals to adoption agencies. I’m sure they don’t think of that when they are giving women advice on how to handle this difficult time in their lives.

  • Nik

    @Robert W.:

    As someone who has worked at different abortions clinics, I can tell you first hand that the VAST majority of women who come into the clinics (over 95%) are certain they want to have an abortion. It would be doing them a disservice to try to convince them to carry the pregnancy full-term, when they are clear on what their choice is.

    Those that do NOT choose to have an abortion, the majority do NOT choose adoption – they choose to keep the baby.

    Even those women who are uncertain and reschedule their appointment (either by their choice, or because their counselor recognizes that they are completely uncertain of what they want to do), if they return, 100% choose to have the abortion.

    Just because PP doesn’t make very many referrals for adoption, does NOT mean they do not believe in adoption as a viable choce for many women. A better question would be, how many people do they refer for prenatal care, since the MAJORITY of women who carry a pregnancy to term KEEP the baby.

  • Demonhype

    I HATE this “private business, can’t touch them” shit that gets peddled when some business is engaging in blatantly unethical (and in some cases, criminal) violations of other people’s rights. It’s an excuse more than anything, usually used by people who approve of the action but know that it’s socially unacceptable to do so openly. Or government agencies that approve of the action because they can’t engage in such practices (yet), so they subcontract the violations to the private sector.

    What I want to know is why they are allowed to represent themselves as a legitimate medical facility when they are not medically licensed. Aren’t there laws regarding that kind of fraud? People are coming into these places believing that they are entering a legitimate medical facility like Planned Parenthood, and they are being scammed by dishonest religious fanatics. I mean, they are a private non-licensed facility, so they don’t have to obey any of the regulations. But they are allowed to make false claims to being a legitimate licensed facility. How the hell does that work? What good are regulations on medical facilities to protect people if you allow non-medical facilities to misrepresent themselves as medical facilities while ignoring the regulations? I suspect I keep repeating myself, but my brain is about to explode from this. HOW CAN YOU JUSTIFY THIS?

    I can’t help but feel that the “Christian=can’t touch them” part of this is what shields them from repercussions, as it so often does when religious people engage in criminal practices. Many people are still so stuck on religion that they get squeamish about putting religious criminal’s feet to the fire and will try to make excuses for them instead–especially since such criminals will start spouting the religious guilt mumbo-jumbo, pretending to be martyrs, suffering for their Divine Right to impose their religious beliefs on everyone else, or some such rot.

    And don’t give me any of that “well, stupid bitches should have done their homework!” because, as has been mentioned above, time is of the essence to get an abortion. And these cons take pains to make themselves look legitimate, so you’d have to know what you’re looking for to see what they’re really about–these con artists aren’t going to make their real intentions particularly obvious. And not everyone who is looking for an abortion is going to be aware that they even should be looking for this kind of con in an abortion clinic.

  • Anna

    Women should have protections from this type of predatory practice when it comes to their healthcare. The only clinics that should be allowed legally are those that are medically certified, regulated and provide comprehensive accurate information. But our government has no intention of ensuring regulated safe healthcare facilities for women. Currently they are only trying to limit our rights and access : H.R. 3, H.R. 358, H.R. 217.

  • lynn

    CP’s are doing unneccassary sonograms- ie. medically unneccassary! Sonorgarmas are indicated in high risk pregnancies,not for curiosity.

  • Demonhype

    @Robert W:

    Steve said:
    They completely misinform their clients and outright lie to them. They lie about the complications that can arise from abortions. They even lie about the use of contraception – trying to sell abstinence instead. They delay appointments and tests so that their pregnancies are further along when they seek real help. They use emotional manipulation and blackmail to get what they want. They preach and proselytize. They withhold services like the morning after pill by lying that there is a 48 hour waiting period – after which they say that it’s too late. They offer ultrasounds not for any medical reason, but simply so that the women can see something (and of course have more guilt).

    This is not just about them encouraging abstinence. They are actually interested in forcing women to bring a child to term, by any means necessary, and are willing to lie and misrepresent anything and everything including themselves in order to do it.

    Planned Parenthood, contrary to misinformed anti-choice opinion, is not simply an abortion mill. Planned Parenthood provides numerous other services related to women’s health, most of them related to women being able to bring live, healthy babies into the world–if they want them, which is the crucial distinction. They do not pay their bills solely on their abortion bills, since abortion is only one of many services they offer.

    As for the number of adoption referrals vs. abortions–you sound like my one boss, who suggested that I was a lazy worker who never did any work around the office because I was averaging 18 items a day and the quota was 20 items. Apparently, there were only two options in her mind–if you make the quota, you are working hard, and if you do not make the quota you have done absolutely nothing whatsoever.

    Seriously, did it ever occur to you that the fact that they make adoption referrals at all means they show it as a viable option–as opposed to the Christian Fraud Centers, that offer only one option (ie: have the baby but you’d better not be a single mother so you’re going to give it up for adoption because God Says So)? And did it ever occur to you that Planned Parenthood only provides adoption referrals when the woman wants to give the child up for adoption, and perhaps when given a free and informed choice most women prefer to abort early-term? That maybe women do not need to be herded and controlled by anyone or have their options limited or kept out of their view, that maybe women are capable of making their own choices, that maybe when women are well-informed about their options they more commonly choose abortion to bringing an already-unwanted child into the world to be dumped on strangers?

    Well, technically maybe women do need to be herded and controlled when you’re more interested in coercing them to make the decision you have chosen for them than allowing them to make an intelligent and informed choice. But that would go for anyone.

    I find it amazing that anyone could compare a clear and obvious fraud like the Christian Pregnancy Centers, which lie and misrepresent to force their decision on other people, to a facility like Planned Parenthood, which provides many women’s health services (abortion among them) and allows women to make well-informed choices about their options and which are right for their individual circumstances?

  • Kayla

    By now, is anyone surprised that a Christian clinic wouldn’t give referrals to an abortion clinic?

  • treedweller

    Not to trivialize abortion, but I will compare this experience with buying a new car. For most of us, this is a rare event in our lives. We are apt to be very excited yet also quite nervous about the amount of money involved. We might do our homework and learn some car-salesman tricks to watch out for, but when we get to this big, flashy dealership with a pushy salesman and lots of “Wait here while I talk to my manager” type delays, and we tend to forget to ask the pertinent questions and stick up for ourselves when the salesman tells us to sign the seventh form, which says we agree to pay an extra grand for undercoating we do not need. Eventually, we are so far along that we may just go with the flow and get the deal done.

    Now, take away any of the fun aspects of this, throw in some very real personal concerns both physically and psychologically, make sure the outcome is of questionable benefit no matter which choice you make, and it becomes easy to see how these “clinics” can take advantage of people.

    It’s snake oil in both cases, but with a much greater potential to really mess up lives in the latter. Why aren’t these people getting the kind of publicity that came after the ACORN scam or the Planned Parenthood scam perpetrated by conservatives seeking missiles to use in their holy war? I guess someone needs to go in with hidden cameras and release the video to youtube.

  • Steve

    Only a very, very tiny percentage of PP clients go there for abortions. The majority of their work is general health care, contraception, STD prevention and treatment, sex education and cancer screenings

    So of course the Republicans just passed a bill in the House to defund them:
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/18/946760/-House-votes-to-defund-Planned-Parenthood,-Title-X

  • beckster

    @Demonhype

    when women are well-informed about their options they more commonly choose abortion to bringing an already-unwanted child into the world to be dumped on strangers

    I understand your points and agree with you, but please don’t use the word “dumped on” to describe adoption. It is quite offensive to birthmothers, adoptive parents like myself, and the children they both love. Adoption, like abortion, is a choice that is not made flippantly or carelessly.

  • Sarah TX.

    is anyone surprised that a Christian clinic wouldn’t give referrals to an abortion clinic?

    The problem is that they do not advertise themselves as a “Christian Clinic” unless forced to by state or local law. Have you seen those signs and billboards that say things like “Pregnant? You have options! Woman’s Wellness Clinic!” Those are, 99% of the time, Crisis/Christian Pregnancy Centers and NOT actual medical clinics.

    While the federal government is voting to remove federal funding for actual reproductive health clinics like Planned Parenthood, they are continuing to fund non-medical propoganda facilities which, at the most, provide free pregnancy tests and some supplies donated by their affiliate church. How is this OK?

  • ShellyD99

    Years ago, I volunteered at a Christian crisis pregnancy center. I supported them and their mission at the time, but even I was turned off by the dubious information in their videos and pamphlets. They also gave talks about abstinence at a local school (one of my jobs was reading student response questionnaires, to see if the “just say no to sex” message sank in). Their statistics on abortion were obvious bull, and they made sex sound scary and dangerous. I didn’t volunteer for long.

  • http://pinkydead.blogspot.com David McNerney

    “crisis pregnancy”

    It’s only a crisis if (a) you’ve been raped (b) your are a career woman and it just won’t work (c) there something wrong with the fetus and you just don’t think you’ll be able to deal with it or (d) a bloke in a dress tells you that you are a filthy whore and you should hide your shame.

  • The Pint

    Only a very, very tiny percentage of PP clients go there for abortions. The majority of their work is general health care, contraception, STD prevention and treatment, sex education and cancer screenings

    QFT. According to data obtained for a 2008 PP activities report, abortion services account for a mere 3% of all services rendered. The majority of PP services go toward providing contraception (35%) and STD testing (34%).

    So, if Planned Parenthood is so bent on preforming abortions to make a profit (as Robert W. seems to imply), they sure as hell look like they’re doing their best to undercut their own bottom line by having the majority of their business based on services meant to prevent unwanted pregnancies that could lead to all those abortions they so obviously take greedy pleasure in performing.

    The entire breakdown of the pie chart of PP service percentages can be found here:
    http://scienceblogs.com/mikethemadbiologist/2011/02/why_planned_parenthood_matters.php#more

  • TheRealistMom

    To those commenters who like to point out how many referrals PP makes for adoption vs abortion-

    Did you ALSO consider how many women they refer for prenatal care? Because that’s an option too.

    Did you ALSO know only 3% of the procedures PP is involved in are abortions? The other 97% of their business (as it is, considering it is a NON-PROFIT organization) are providing contraceptives, basic reproductive care for women, vasectomies, STD testing and treatment, breast cancer screenings, and varied other needed health care procedures?

    Women often already know what they desire to do- which is why they go to a PP clinic. If they know they desire to place an infant for adoption, they will probably go to an agency first. That, and adoption is going down a bit- because women are realizing they don’t HAVE to be broodmares for “more worthy” parents. (No offense to people who choose to give up a child, it is a gift, this is simply a reflection of the attitudes of some of the “pro-life” crowd- you made the fetus now you better damn well carry it for someone better.)

    These so-called Crisis Pregnancy Centers often prey especially on young, white women who may not be able to have a child right then because of future plans, and push them towards adoption to fuel a supply of healthy white infants. Minorities can screw right off, or get their little package of a few diapers and shown where the welfare office is.

    Planned Parenthood was there for me when I was 15 and stupidly got pregnant. The councilor- a trained councilor, not a church lady feeding me lies- sat with me and my then boyfriend and laid out all the options, including how we could get medical assistance and welfare should we decide to continue the pregnancy and keep the baby, the names of legitimate non-profit adoptions services, and then finally abortion providers as this clinic did not have any on staff. They would not even give us the names of the clinics until I understood what the procedure would entail and that I was making the decision of my own free will. She encouraged me to involve my parents who, thank dog, supported me even to driving me the 80 miles to the doctor’s office and being there for me. Sounds like “pushing abortion” to me. :eyeroll:

    Washington state may be the first state to require CPCs to say up front who they are, who they represent, and inform any potential client they are NOT a health care provider, right on the front door. I am so hoping this passes. If women choose to utilize a CPC they can, but they need to NOT be deceived.

  • Aj

    Robert W.

    Planned Parenthood, who performed over 340,000 abortions last year and only made 2,400 referrals for adoption.

    Logic fail. It doesn’t say anything about their practice. It could be that women choose to have abortions (*shocker*).

  • http://annainca.blogspot.com Anna

    The problem is that they do not advertise themselves as a “Christian Clinic” unless forced to by state or local law. Have you seen those signs and billboards that say things like “Pregnant? You have options! Woman’s Wellness Clinic!” Those are, 99% of the time, Crisis/Christian Pregnancy Centers and NOT actual medical clinics.

    We have one of these in my area. When I first saw their billboards, I spent at least half an hour online trying to determine if they were anti-choice. If they’re so proud of their stance, why all the deception? Why do they refuse to disclose their real mission anywhere on their website?

  • Kate Incognita

    In case someone reads this who needs the information: Planned Parenthood is a wonderful place to go for all your female medical needs. Abortions, yes, but also regular pap smears, check-ups, and questions. I have medical insurance, but I go to PP instead because the care is better. The doctors take their time to answer all your questions. Their advice is based on facts and evidence. They don’t judge, they just want to help.

    (I’m sure someone out there has had a bad experience. PP isn’t perfect. I just felt I needed to plug a great organization that is definitely not faith-based.)

  • Robert W.

    I don’t believe the 3% figure. I know that it comes from the Planned Parenthood annual report, but it doesn’t match with the other figures. At a time when abortions across the country are declining, the number performed by Planned Parenthood are increasing dramatically. I would venture to guess that it is actually a much larger percentage of its clinic income, particularly when you take out the $330 million that comes from the federal government that by law can’t be used for abortions.

    See the attached:

    http://www.lifenews.com/2009/04/08/nat-4978/

  • ACN

    So you don’t believe that 3% of their total services are abortions, or you don’t believe that 3% of their income from services come from abortions?

    The former is the claim of the annual report, the latter is not.

  • parv

    Kate, two instances (comments on the linked article) have covered “… bad experience. PP isn’t perfect” part.

    How does one identify a medical/pregnancy center/clinic bent on avoiding (referrals for) abortion?

  • Steve

    And as usual, Robert can score with completely unbiased, credible sources. Next is World Net Daily…

    @parv:
    http://cpcwatch.org/Warning-Signs.php

  • Richard P.

    Boy reading some of the things on the cpc site, it blows my mind. How can you be so twisted and evil to do shit like that to someone.

    I knew there was crazy shit there and will admit to a little bit of it here. But this, this has got to be close to the lowest level of human depravity you can get.

    How is it that women are not out there burning these places down? Or at the least picketing them, writing wanted posters like they do for the abortion doctors. This is sexism at it’s worst, isn’t it? They’re the ones promoting the perception women are nothing more than breeding machines. And women stand by and let this happen, how?

  • The Pint

    I don’t believe the 3% figure. I know that it comes from the Planned Parenthood annual report, but it doesn’t match with the other figures.

    That 3% figure refers to the percentage of total services provided by PP that are abortions. Whether or not you wish to believe that is irrelevant – the data clearly shows that the majority of services provided by PP are NOT ABORTIONS. Women (and men) go to PP largely in part because the clinic’s services are those that can help them avoid abortion in the first place by providing the means to prevent unwanted pregnancies.

    If you look at the PDF of the complete report (linked to in the Mike the Mad Biologist post), the report includes a breakdown of income sources for PP. Fully 1/3 of PP’s income comes from “health center income” which includes GYN-related visits, STD testing and other health-related services (including, yes, abortion). Another 1/3 comes from federal funding, and the other 1/3 from private donations.

    I would expect that more than 3% of PP’s health service-related income could be attributed to abortion services simply because it’s likely the most expensive service they offer (sterilization is the only other medical procedure that comes to mind that could cost as much). Abortion is an invasive medical procedure – ergo, it’s going to cost more than a pap smear. PP wouldn’t have to conduct many abortions for the proportion of money attributed to abortion procedures to outweigh the proportion of money attributed to other far less invasive and intensive procedures such as pap smears, GYN exams, etc.

  • parv

    Thank you Steve for CPC Watch URL.

  • Brian

    Fundies:love the fetus, indifferent to the child.

    Lack of abortion and contraceptive services equals more people. More people equal downward pressure on wages. Figure it out why Repugs in particular hate abortion.

  • http://ohmatron.wordpress.com Custador

    Said it before, I’ll say it again: As a nurse working in Britain’s NHS, I strongly believe that there are things which charities should not have the opportunity to provide – because they should already be well catered for by the government. Family planning in all its forms is high on the list.

  • http://thingsfindothinks.com AndrewFinden

    Because the federally funded, racist, under-age prostitute enabling Planned Parenthood are so much better!

  • JulietEcho

    Thanks for posting this, Hemant. I do hope the bill passes in Washington state, so that these organizations have to warn people up-front that they are anti-choice, religious, non-licensed, etc. instead of masquerading as something akin to Planned Parenthood.

    PP might not be perfect, but it’s lightyears better than these Christian Crisis centers. I encourage everybody to read the article linked in Hemant’s post – it’s not long, and you’ll get a good idea of some of the tricks and lies these centers use to manipulate vulnerable young women.

  • TheRealistMom

    Ahh Andrew Finden. Believing in Lila Rose are we?

  • Robert W.

    The 3% figure is misleading either way if it is being used to say that Planned Parenthood isn’t an abortion mill. It is the largest abortion provider in the nation. And more importantly, if you look at the percentages of pregnant women who go there that end up getting an abortion it is remarkably high. They only referred 2400 to adoption agencies and only provided prenatal care to 11000, yet they performed over 300,000 abortions. Its clear, that despite all of their statements to the contrary, when it comes to pregnant women, they are almost exclusively in the abortion business.

    To stay on topic, I am not supportive of the private clinics being deceptive, but I do support telling the ladies all about their pregnancy, including a sonogram so she can see the baby before she decides and for telling her the truthful risks of the abortion, both during and after. We do it with every other medical procedure before we have informed consent, it should be done here.

  • Robert W.

    Realist Mom,

    The racists views of the founder of Planned Parenthood are well known and were so long before Lila Rose came along. And her tapes speak for themselves. So you may not like what she discovered but it happened and more then once.

  • The Pint

    I’ve been lurking around here long enough to know that arguing this point with Robert W. is likely an exercise in futility, but what the hell. In for a penny…

    Of course the percentage of pregnant women who go to Planned Parenthood and get abortions is high – most pregnant women who go to Planned Parenthood are going specifically because a PP clinic is likely the only place these women know they can go to get a safe and affordable abortion. As you said, PP is the largest provider of abortion in the country, so where else are these women going to go for an abortion? In many cases, a PP clinic is the ONLY option a woman has for an abortion procedure, and she may have to travel many, many miles to find one. That’s a huge amount of time and money invested, so it stands to reason that those women have already made up their minds about wanting an abortion.

    Further, a woman who has an unplanned pregnancy but nevertheless decides to bring it to term has far more options available to her – she can go to PP for pre-natal care, or if she can afford to do so, find a primary OB-GYN physician through a private practice or hospital. So it stands to reason that there will be a smaller percentage of pregnant women who use PP for pre-natal care.

    As for adoption as an option, whether or not you like the numbers, the fact is that according to the stats you have quoted (and I’m dubious as to the reliability of those sources), women with unwanted pregnancies are choosing abortion over adoption for reasons as varied and personal as the women making them and no one has the right to judge those women for making the choice to abort, adopt or carry to term a pregnancy.

    The attitude that if only women “truly knew and understood what abortion ‘really is’” evinced by you and these so-called “crisis clinics” is beyond belittling and condescending toward women. It implies that we lack the capability to make up our own minds and that our judgment is suspect if we do not make the decisions that you and others like you deem “correct,” and must therefore be at the least “led” and at the worst coerced into making that “correct” decision. It’s infantilizing, paternalistic and frankly it’s behavior that should be beneath any decent human being.

    As for the whole Lila Rose debacle, hate to burst your bubble but what that joke of a “reporter” found were clinic workers who politely did their jobs during their “interviews” and went directly to their supervisors afterward to report the whole thing, who then called the FBI to report the possible existence of a sex-trafficking ring.

    Only a single PP employee acted in a way that broke the rules and even that employee informed her supervisor of the encounter, after which she was summarily fired.

    Try again.

  • Dan W

    If it hasn’t already been done, it’d be great if someone could find the names and locations of as many of these Christian Pregnance Clinics as possible, and post them on the Internet so women can know to avoid those ones. I wish I had the time to do this, but I don’t.

    Edit: It looks like there’s already a group doing that to some extent- http://cpcwatch.org/Known-CPCs.php

  • TheRealistMom

    The “tapes” of Lila’s are very much edited, as was found by legitimate audio technicians. Also, what the PP person actually informed them of was -gasp- bot wrong. Judicial bypass is a legal way for young women who may be in danger to get medical care. It is not “enabling underage prostitutes”, it is ensuring that young women get needed care to prevent STD’s and pregnancy… which is WAY more important than the fact that they happen to be prostitutes, likely forced into the work by a controlling pimp. (In this case, a pimp and prostitutes that didn’t even exist.) The clinic workers then did EXACTLY what should have been done- contact law enforcement agencies. The compassionate people in the world care more that women get health care than punishing them for being “evil sluts”. The Plint above links to the real story.

    As far as Sanger- she had a lot of very important things to say and was a huge influence on the promotion of family planning. Did she have some ugly eugenicist views? Yes. I have never seen anyone deny that. What was considered to be the best science and social engineering at that point and time was eugenics, espoused by all sorts of legitimate organizations and individuals. Looking at them in context makes one realize that was actually considered progressive for the time frame. It was later people came around to see what evils it wrought, the same way that lobotomy was seen as the savior of millions until the wreckage of so many minds bore testimony to how wrong it was. Today we can look at the statements of great progressive minds like Lincoln, and even Charles Darwin, and see how horribly racist and backwards they were comparatively speaking. That doesn’t mean we throw the baby out with the bathwater… we recognize those flaws and ensure we do not continue them.

    Tell me, do you boycott anything made by the Ford company? Ford was a horrible Nazi sympathizer who encouraged belief in The Protocols of the Elders of Zion in the United States. Been on any transatlantic flights, or been the beneficiary of any products brought in by plane? Charles Lindburgh was another Nazi sympathizer much admired by Hitler. Purchased anything by Volkswagen, Hugo Boss, Porsche, Siemens… the list goes on and on. Hate to Godwinize but there you go.

  • ACN

    The racists views of the founder of Planned Parenthood are well known and were so long before Lila Rose came along. And her tapes speak for themselves. So you may not like what she discovered but it happened and more then once.

    Hogwash. Malicious editing, as was the case in the Acorn nonsense, was at work here.

  • Robert W.

    Realist Mom,

    I never said I was against Planned Parenthood because of its founder’s racists views. I’m opposed to the abortions this organization performs and encourages.

    The Pint,

    The statistics of Planned Parenthood speak for themselves. They can be interpreted in a variety of ways. But the bottom line is that despite their protests to the contrary, it appears that all but about 14,000 of the hundreds of thousands of pregnant women who went there ended up getting an abortion as opposed to their other options.

  • Robert W.

    ACN,

    They have released the whole tape and it doesn’t get much better. At least to their credit Planned Parenthood fired her afterwards. But it does make you wonder how often these things happen, particularly trying to avoid the underage issues. The worker didn’t even appear shocked that a fourteen year old sex worker would come in. Very sad. And she even referred them to another place that would perform the abortion on a fourteen year old. Amazing.

  • ACN

    The statistics of Planned Parenthood speak for themselves. They can be interpreted in a variety of ways. But the bottom line is that despite their protests to the contrary, it appears that all but about 14,000 of the hundreds of thousands of pregnant women who went there ended up getting an abortion as opposed to their other options.

    The statistic says precisely what it says. It tells you NOTHING else, and to insinuate that it does ignores a whole host of possible confounding variables that other people have brought up. The simplest of course being self-selection. When in many places PP is the only affordable/publicly known abortion provider, we shouldn’t be surprised to find that most pregnancies that come there end in abortion.

  • http://apostateangelica.wordpress.com Apostate Angelica

    That is… disgusting, but sadly reminiscent of the kind of spectacular hypocrisy I became accustomed to during my time as a Christian in my teens.

  • M’thew

    Robert W:

    The statistics of Planned Parenthood speak for themselves. They can be interpreted in a variety of ways. But the bottom line is that despite their protests to the contrary, it appears that all but about 14,000 of the hundreds of thousands of pregnant women who went there ended up getting an abortion as opposed to their other options.

    So you are arguing that we should be suspicious of greengrocers, because the majority of customers end up buying vegetables there instead of meat or bread.

    Can’t you read?

  • guest

    I work at a pregnancy resource center. I tell anyone who calls who asks that we do not do abortions. You don’t need a referral to get an abortion so there is no need for a clinic to make a referral. I am a BSN trained RN and we have an OB medical director. We are a medical clinic. We do limited ultrasounds checking for viable pregnancies and give the women we see all the info from these ultrasounds. (Info on IUP, heartrate and estimated gestational age based on measurements as diagnosed by our MD). We give verifications of pregnancy tests to anyone (even if they want an abortion) and go through all options when a woman is faced with a pregnancy. We show no videos but give them straightforward matter of fact inforamation on what an abortion is an the effects and risks of abortion. We do offer spiritual support if they wish, but do not go into this unless the woman says it is ok– unless she says she wants this when we ask. We do follow HIPPA and keep information confidential. So please stop labeling ALL pregnancy centers as careless organizations.


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