University of Georgia Atheists Will Lead Protest Against Pastor Mark Driscoll

On October 8th, Pastor Mark Driscoll (founder of Mars Hill Church in Seattle, Washington) will be speaking at the LoveLife Conference in Athens, Georgia. This is the same Driscoll whose ignorance about feminism and homosexuality is evident with just about everything he says…

If you’re not familiar with him, here are just a few choice quotations (courtesy of Stephen Joiner of the UGAtheists):

“I like Catholics and Orthodox people. I believe that they are part of a Christian denomination or tradition. I’m not putting them in the group of cults, like the Jehovah’s Witnesses, or the Mormons.” — From Driscoll’s book Vintage Jesus

“I get these invitations to these pastors’ prayer meetings. [Laughter]. Man, I’m telling you, ‘Oh, it’ll be very nice. There’ll be a Buddhist, and there’ll be a Hindu, and there’ll be a Muslim, there’ll be a Baha’i, there’ll be an Atheist, there’ll be a Jewish guy, and then you can be the Christian guy. And we could all pray to God together.’ No, we can’t. I pray to Jesus, they pray to Satan.” — From Anger and Action sermon – Sep. 16, 2007.

“So the feminists say, ‘You know what, men are horrible to women.’ I say, I fully agree. But then what do we do? What do we do? Do we train the women to be like men? Do we train the men to be like women? Do we encourage the women to be lesbians and not have anything to do with men? Do we encourage the men to be effeminate and to be not manly and masculine? Is that what we do? That is what we have encouraged.” — Under Authority Like Christ – July 23, 2006

“What’s so wrong with being a woman? It’s curious to me, that feminists will say things like, ‘I don’t wanna be a woman, so I’ll go butch and dyke and then I will be a lesbian.’ Really? So the, the highest thing you can be is a man? What are you a sexist? Do you hate women? I mean, think about it.” — Under Authority Like Christ – July 23, 2006

“I’ll start by saying this. Guys, I am heterosexual, flamboyantly heterosexual. If you think I’m pro-gay, I’m not. My dad is a union drywaller. My brother is a sheet metal worker. I drive a 1978 Chevy pickup with a bacon air freshener, okay. I am flamboyantly heterosexual. I don’t even drink light beer. I am not pro-gay. Don’t think that I am. I read the Bible, and I take the parts literally, all of it, including the be kind and this is a sin. I take it all literally. So don’t hear me saying that I’m pro-gay. I’m not. I’m not.” — 2 Timothy 2:22-26 – May 16, 2004

If Christians want to support that kind of rhetoric, they have every right to. But the UGAtheists are taking a stand against Driscoll. They want to raise awareness about the kinds of vile things spewing out of Driscoll’s mouth, especially if his hype brings in strangers who don’t know any better.

Driscoll has some very pungent things to say about gender, sex, feminism, homosexuality, and religion. Our organization takes issue with his message and will be staging a protest at the site of the conference on October 8th.

If you’re in the area, please consider joining them. The larger the crowd, the more your message will drown out his.

On a side note, Aaron Gardner pointed out something about one of Driscoll’s books that I’d never noticed.

Check out this excerpt from Vintage Jesus: Timeless Answers to Timely Questions in which Driscoll lashes out against the movie Monty Python’s Life of Brian:

Umm… the character on the cross was Brian, not Jesus. Jesus makes a brief appearance early in the film in which he’s delivering the Sermon on the Mount. (When the camera pans back to the crowd, someone yells, “Speak up!”)

You would think the guy who rips on pop culture would at least watch or read the things he’s railing against. Leave it to a Christian to not read a book he spends so much time talking about…

This is the same pastor, by the way, who called Avatar “demonic” and “Satanic” and who bashed Twilight because it’s part of a genre of books that involves “consulting with dead people.” (Um… dude… do you even realize that… you know… Jesus… Oh, never mind.)

About Hemant Mehta

Hemant Mehta is the editor of Friendly Atheist, appears on the Atheist Voice channel on YouTube, and co-hosts the uniquely-named Friendly Atheist Podcast. You can read much more about him here.

  • SpaceViking

    To be fair, EVERYONE who criticizes Life of Brian hasn’t seen it. Though I still have problems with the idea that there are people who still don’t realize that Brian isn’t Jesus.

    • John Small Berries

      Well, it’s an easy mistake to make. I mean, it’s not like the other characters call him by the name “Brian” frequently throughout the entire movie, or his name is in the movie’s title and throughout the theme song, or anything like that.

      • http://twitter.com/TortugaSkeptic A secret red slider

        I just thought he was some naughty boy.

        • Mike

          Best scene in the movie!

      • Demonhype

        It’s also not like Jesus isn’t blatantly given his own presence in a couple of scenes with Brian in them, not only in the Sermon on the Mount but the stable scene as well, when the Wise Men accidentally go to the wrong stable and give their gifts to the wrong “messiah”.

    • Cap’n

      Well, there’s one.  But otherwise we’re solid!

  • Anonymous

    While he’s despicable and all, this does leave me wondering where I can get a bacon air freshener. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=773692362 Jansen Waddell

      agreed!

    • Anonymous

      Pretty sure at thinkgeek

    • Tim Rizzo

      i know archie mcphee has many, many bacon related products. that’s where i got my bacon flavored toothpicks(not that accurate in taste, actually).

  • http://twitter.com/Aspentroll Gerry Twazziland

    Pastor Driscoll is having the same problems members of the clergy are having all over the world. They inadvertently chose the the wrong vocation and have wasted their time and money on a lost cause.
    As time passes people will see the problem religion has, no credibility and being absolutely unnecessary.
    Every day that passes some members of the clergy have become involved in sexual abuse, child rape and bigotry.  Rational thinking people are beginning to notice this and are steering clear of this needless group of people and the abhorrent ways.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1535286477 Roxane Farrell Murray

    For the first time in my life, I’m proud of the school where I got my MA.  There were no atheist groups at UGA in the 1970′s.  Progress is being made.

    • Zombieroach73

      If you are interested, feel free to join our Facebook group, UGAtheists, if you would like to know what we are up to.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1535286477 Roxane Farrell Murray

    And even though I’m an atheist, I still don’t think “Life of Brian” was as good as “Monty Python and the Holy Grail.”  And the reason is that I think that even the guys in MP sort of pulled their punches in the former film.  I re-watched it lately, and it’s a lot tamer than any atheist parody flick would be today–so I guess progress is being made.

    • Demonhype

      I didn’t even think it was funny when I first saw it as a teenager.  Then I got older, became an atheist, read up on the history of the time and area, and laughed myself silly.

      • ACN

        This. 

        This was my experience also :)

  • Karen L

    All his protestations about how VERY heterosexual he is have me thinking he’s probably gay…

    • YouthPastorJAC

      With a wife and 4 kids?! … yeah, makes perfect sense.  Did you bother to look up that message and read that quote in context?  No?  Just prefer to do ad hominem and get some laughs and ignore the issue?  Oh ok.

      • Sarah T.

        We have a strange tendency to confuse lifestyles with orientations. I don’t speculate on the sexual orientation of other people, but engaging in heterosexual relationships does not preclude a homosexual orientation, and vice versa.

        Also, he could be bisexual.

      • Summer

        gay guys come out to there wife and kids all the time…look at the politician from New Jersey

      • Anonymous

        Does the name Ted Haggard ring a bell?

      • Cap’n

        Did you bother to check on just how many people were divorced from their wives and lost custody of their children when they finally realized they were just living a lie to hide their homosexuality?  Being a good looking guy in a pin-stripe suit with a perfect Stepford blonde wife and 4 kids, 2 dogs and an SUV is actually the perfect cover for a closeted homosexual.  You should check the craigslist casual encounters section m4m, you’ll see a lot of married “straight” men looking for very discreet encounters.  Yeah, wife and 4 kids can only mean straight.  The Shakespearean phrase “methinks thou doth protest too much” comes to mind. Sheesh!

      • http://www.miketheinfidel.com/ MikeTheInfidel

        “With a wife and 4 kids?! … yeah, makes perfect sense.”

        Yes, because no gay man has EVER disguised himself in a heteronormative marriage… ever.

      • anonymous

        Actually, he has 5 children.

        • http://annainca.blogspot.com/ Anna

          So does Ted Haggard.

      • T-Rex

        I’d guess most Christians are gay. Ever listen to Christian “rock”? They just suppress those feelings and that’s where all the hate comes from.

      • http://www.facebook.com/mickelodian.ranks Mickelodian Ranks

        “With a wife and 4 kids?! … yeah, makes perfect sense”

        I point you in the general direction of one Pastor 
        Ted Haggard … also married with kids…and had just finish railing against Homosexuals before being outed himself. Then he lied about it… then finally admitted it… 
        In that one act from his on perspective (not mine) he was working his way through his beloved ten commandments looking for loopholes in some of them and blatantly ignoring the rest.Well you know what?… who cares?… you go on trying to apply your view of the world, and let it keep failing over and over again… Its really not like we care any more. The day for caring what the idiotic minority thought died the day we got mass personal media.. your using it right now. You probably find it rather strange seeing you are now in the minority.But what this atheist group will not stand for is hatred, nonsense, bigotry and deliberate attempts to cause mischief  being given a free pass because the bigot concerned thinks he can wave his ‘get off scot free card’ in the shape of the bible at the world… No more free passes got it! From here on in its ‘demonstrate your point’ or take a hike!The rest of us will examine that evidence ‘your point’ and come to a conclusion based on it. If you supply none…then don’t be too surprised if you hear crickets chirping in the background with the odd person here and there considering calling the white coats.

    • stea

      thats just …dumb

  • Curt Cameron

    The guy singing on the cross wasn’t Brian – it was the guy on the cross next to Brian. It never occurred to me that it was supposed to have been Jesus, and looking back in my mind’s eye, I don’t think that was the intent.

    Chalk up one more in the list of stupid things that Driscoll has said.

    • Wotan Anubis

      Since the singing guy on the cross is Eric Idle and the person playing Jesus during the Sermon on the Mount scene isn’t Eric Idle, I think I can say with some confidence that the singing guy on the cross is not Jesus.

      • Danish Atheist

        Nope, I am pretty sure it is one of the robbers hanging next to Brian. Same guy that jokes around when they are waiting in line for a cross, or whatever … when the roman solder asks “Crucifiction?” he says something like “No, I’ll take freedom – just kidding!”

        One of the best movies ever – no wonder a dumb fundie won’t like it.

        • Nordog

          “Life of Brian” is brilliant comedy.  I think one of the best scenes is when the wise men take back the gifts from Brian’s mother and rush outside to a scene with a glowing manger at the end of the street.

        • Cap’n

          The most telling point to “Brian” comes from all the behind the scenes commentary.  They sat down and decided to write a script making fun of Jesus, they thoroughly researched the New Testament and came to the conclusion that you just couldn’t make fun of him personally.  So they decided, what if we took some random guy the Jews mistake for the messiah (which happened quite a lot). 
          So technically, they committed a sin simply by sitting down and planning their blasphemy, but the movie itself is actually clean of said sin.  It’s filled with a lot of other so-called sin, but blasphemy is not one of them… unless you count depicting Jesus’ image which is a commandment breaker if the Trinity has any merit, but that would condemn upwards of Trillions of people throughout history, so Christians can safely ignore that one.

      • Curt Cameron

        Off the top of my head from the Sermon on the Mount scene…

        “He said ‘Blessed are the cheesemakers.’ I’m sure he means that in a figurative sense; it would apply equally to manufacturers of any dairy products.”

        • Anonymous

          And that’s what I consider the best scene in the movie (though the naughty boy scene was good, too).

          • Cap’n

            You mean you were RAPED?
            Well, at first…
            Who was it?!
            Naughtius Maxiumus his name was, promised me the whole world, as much gold as I could eat.

  • Dan W

    If you’re gonna criticize Twilight, at least come up with criticisms that make sense. Like how Edward is a creepy stalker. Or how vampires should not sparkle in sunlight. 

  • http://annainca.blogspot.com/ Anna

    Good idea, but I hope it won’t just be atheists who are protesting. It will make more of a statement if they can convince moderate and liberal Christians to join them.

    • Nordog

      If I were in the area I would problably go, and I’m not normally a public protest kinda guy.

    • Cnslor

      liberal christian is an oxymoron.

      • http://annainca.blogspot.com/ Anna

        That’s your opinion. Just because you believe something doesn’t mean everyone else has to agree with you.

        • Cap’n

          True
          “Just because a million people think you are wrong, doesn’t mean you are.”  FZ was so right on with that one!

      • Xenoknight696

        And “conservative Christian” is just a moron

  • Anonymous

                 I checked out Christianity for a few years at Mark Driscoll’s Mars Hill Church. It was completely different than the Catholic church I attended as a youth. There is electric rock/jazz/blues/country music, Starbuck’s coffee, lots of attractive twenty something women.  Pastor Mark was very knowledgable about the Bible, quite charismatic and funny. He preached on entire books of the Bible, for instance the Book of Genesis would take a year of Sundays to go through. I learned quite a bit about the Bible this way.
               I started to question Mark’s teachings and check his “facts” after I got home. It wasn’t long before I was immersed in atheist blog sites. Some of his “facts” were; The entomology of the word “dating” was prostitution.The Bible is inerrant. All of the apostles were martyred. If a man stays at home and takes care of the kids while the wife works, he is a p***y! His nine year old “sees” demons so they must be real!
              Thank you Mark Driscoll, I’m an Atheist.          

    • Anonymous

      According to etymology online the etymology of “date” stems from appointment.  It gained a romantic sense by the 1890s and was first used as “person one has a date with” in 1925.  I don’t see where a connection to prostitution comes into it unless one really twists the meaning of appointment (whose etymology comes from appoint meaning to agree or settle).  This would make any assent an act of prostitution which is kind of silly.

      Prostitution incidentally stems from statuere meaning to stand, establish.  The meaning isn’t inherently related to the selling of sexual favours but from being exposed to lust or indiscriminate sex being offered.  I’m sure we’ve all felt like that before.

      According to Catholic doctrine the Apostle John died of old age and Judas killed himself (or just exploded).

      If anyone thinks that the bible is inerrant then they should try reading it.  Inerrant means that there are no errors.  None.  There are so many to choose from to put this bit of bollocks down.

      If a man takes care of his children then he’s a parent.  Only a complete douche would be so dismissing of parents and so unsupportive of those who choose to or need to work for a living. How does he make a living anyway?  Oh yeah, conning people out of money with lies about gods and evading taxes.

      Clearly Driscoll is a blithering idiot who isn’t aware of the ability to check facts anywhere.  

      • Danish Atheist

        Oh Froggie … my knees go weak …  that was very well put! :D

    • http://www.shadesthatmatter.blogspot.com asmallcontempt

      Yeah, Mars Hill is a big institutionalized cluster-fuck of crazy. Mark Driscolls says that he has “visions” and can call people out on their “sins” (seriously? this guy claims to see things and leads a church with thousands of followers??).

      This is a church, like you’ve pointed out, is really geared toward young families that want to be “hip” and “relevant” (some of my favorite Christianisms!), so come on down on Sunday morning! Drop off your kiddos in the child-care facility that used to be a Lane Bryant! Grab a cup of coffee or espresso from the built-in coffee shop! Take a sermon outline that fits perfectly in your Mars Hill-brand binder! Get enraptured with the swelling worship music and the smartly-dressed worship team members!

      I just can’t decide between Mars Hill/Driscoll and Elevation/Furtick…who represents the greater evil? They both do an excellent job of marketing the faith and selling it to the masses. Ugh.

    • Lauramc1662

      So all it takes is one persons view to turn you into an Atheist?  Unbelievable!!!!  I have listened to Mark Driscall and really enjoy his BIBLE BASED teachings.  You really need to wake up people…read the bible on your own all that Mark teaches is there in black and white and red in most versions and you really need to pay close attention to the red parts.

      • Aaron Scoggin

        Really? Christians go to church and listen to their pastors all the time. This is how they become Christians. And you really think that it should take a lot more than your own curiousity to revert to an atheist? Most atheists have read the bible. That’s why they remain atheists, because it’s full of crap.

      • Cap’n

        While I agree that one misguided pastor spouting bible-like rhetoric should not be a valid basis for rejecting an entire religion or rejecting all religion for that matter.  But please keep in mind, Dogma was BIBLE BASED and was probably one of the most blasphemous movies to come out (including some of the porn out there). 
        So here’s my bible lesson for you today, absolutely everything is from the Red:
        I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until EVERYTHING is accomplished.
        I can guarantee this truth: Until the earth and the heavens disappear, NEITHER a period NOR a comma will disappear from Moses’ Teachings before EVERYTHING has come true.
        And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.

      • http://www.facebook.com/lrherbert Leslie Ruth Herbert

        Atheists and agnostics are more knowledgable than theists: http://pewforum.org/other-beliefs-and-practices/u-s-religious-knowledge-survey.aspx

      • T-Rex

        I was raised a Christian and all I did was listen to cherry picked verses read by men of the cloth. I remained an ignorant Christian until I read the Bible. Then I became an atheist. I was 11 at the time. Amazing how ministers and priests refuse to or just can’t answer even the simplest questions. I guess it’s just easier to say “the Lord woks in mysterious ways”.  Learnin’ facts n stuff is hard.

    • Summer

      So lets be honest here Mark Driscoll didn’t make you an Atheist, you are just an Atheist. Christians are people too and like anyone they sin and they say stupid stuff just like everyone else. I’m not Driscoll fan and I don’t support what he says above but you have to realize those are his opinions; they aren’t based in Biblical fact though he may try to make it seem that way sometimes. Is it messed up that he is preaching this to hundreds of people? yes. Should he be keeping most of that to himself or at least behind closed doors? yes. Look Atheist are some of the smartest people in this world because they question and think for themselves. So why is it that you are viewing the Christian religion though another mans eyes? You should be using you obvious intelligence to find out what you DO believe, not simply refusing to believe anything because of one bigot.

      • Aaron Scoggin

        I actually like this comment. Use your own intelligence to find your own way, atheist or no. Well put.

      • Cap’n

        Very nicely put, bravo!

      • Anonymous

        I’m simply saying that Driscoll’s hardline rhetoric along with his fundamentalist stances caused me to think about what I believe and started my search for the truth. I stated that I learned a lot about the Bible while at Mars Hill. Of course Driscoll didn’t make me an Atheist, He taught me what a fundamentalist evangelic moderate charismatic Christian was(his words). I’m aware that his off the cuff comments are  his opinions and don’t represent every Christian. I’m not just an Atheist, I became an Atheist after searching.
        I was being flippant in my comment thanking Mark. I should thank John Loftus, Dan Barker, Bart Ehrman whose Books were influential and the many Atheist blogs.  

    • Jwxcvet

      Sounds to like your heart was just looking for an excuse to cop out of your responsibility as a Christian. Mind you…… and I quote ” Found myself immersed in ATHEIST blogs.” When you should have been researching other Christian perspectives. Way to “pass the buck” and hand over your power to be self accountable.

      • Aaron Scoggin

        Being a Christian is more like relieving yourself of responsibility. You wrong someone? Oh, well that’s alright, God will forgive you. It’s complete irresponsibility. 

      • Cap’n

        Then honestly what are you doing over here Trolling the Atheist world yourself?  I think someone should hold you accountable for this.  For me, I don’t actually have a choice thanks to Mark 3:29.  When I was 17 I blasphemed against the holy spirit, just for a second mind you, but it still happened.  That is an absolutely unpardonable sin which Mark makes very clear will never ever be forgiven.  So what’s the point really?

  • Anonymous

    Bella becomes a kind of reverse Arwen in the fourth Twilight novel.

  • http://friendlyatheist.com Richard Wade

    If you’re in the area, please consider joining them. The larger the crowd, the more your message will drown out his.

    It would be better for our message to discredit his message, rather than drown it out. I think Hemant, in your passion for social justice and your very understandable anger at Driscoll, which I share, you probably meant something more about clearly showing the ugliness of  his ignorance and hate mongering. Using his own words against him  sentence-by-sentence is the way to get young people to repudiate him without inadvertently making him a martyr of mob censorship.

  • Anonymous

    You know, I would have never thought Driscoll was a closet-case until I saw he calls himself “Flamboyantly heterosexual”. Of course not every homophobe that loudly proclaims their heterosexuality is a closet-case, but it sure raises a red flag.

    Mike likes to pretend he’s the “cool pastor”, but under the thin layer of t-shirts and torn jeans he’s just another fire-and-brimstone fundamentalist.

    Yes, God is totally awesome dude and he totally loves you*

    *Non-applicable to Gays, Lesbians, Transgendered, “masculine” women, “feminine” men, atheists, Mormons, Buddhists, Muslims, liberals…well anyone who isn’t almost exactly like me, essentially.

    • Brad A Hansen

      He’s been quoted saying that he is “putting the fun back in fundamentalism”. So, really it is no secret that his teaching fits that definition. There is no pretense in dressing how you please, if he doesn’t fit your vision of what he should dress like then this is quickly becoming an argument about fashion and not beliefs. And on your third point, loving someone and agreeing with their actions are two entirely separate things.

      • Anonymous

        He has taken the style of modernity so he can superficially appeal to younger folks (who are leaving in droves in part because of the nature of the beliefs) but underneath his message is just as hateful and exclusionary as any traditional fundamentalist pastor.

        On my third point, you can see my response to Aimeeproulx below.

    • Aimeeproulx

      God loves all those people too- He loves everyone.  However, he does not like what they choose to do, nor does he like anyone else’s sin.  This doesn’t negate His love though…as it never does.  YOu don’t have to like what your friend does yet you don’t stop loving them…yet He is infinitely better and more loving.

      • Anonymous

        Your mistake is that you assume that homosexuality is something that people do and not something that people are. The problem is that you are flat out wrong about that. All major psychological and medical organizations recognize that homosexuality is in no way a choice and also don’t recognize it as an illness, which is to say there is no scientific backing for the religious notion that homosexuality is a chosen set of acts and also no backing to the notion that there’s something objectively wrong with it.

        So how does this sound: I love my black friend, I just don’t like that he is black.  Would you call me a racist for that?

        How about this: I love my Christian friend, I just don’t like that they choose to be Christian and I think the government should not recognize the Christian religion? Would you consider that persecution of Christians? Would you believe me if I said that despite wanting to restrict your civil rights I still “loved” you? Even when associations dedicated to the subversion of your rights advocated outlawing Christianity and routinely compared Christianity to alcoholism and pedophilia?

        Sorry but when you oppose the core of someone’s being and would like there to be laws ensuring they have fewer rights than you do, you have given up the right to be believed when you say you “love” them.

        • anonymous

          But with this insane argument, youre actually saying that Christians are born Christians and have no choice? If you really believe that gay people are born gay, then your point about Christians is invalid

          • Anonymous

            I was making two points. One is that being gay is not a choice but something you simply are (it’s not just my “belief” it’s what the science indicates). The other point is that people who actively oppose the civil rights of others relinquish the right to be believed when they say they “love” that person, particularly when what they disapprove of is an inborn trait. A Christian would never believe me if I said I loved Christians if I were trying to make being a Christian illegal and having all marriages amongst Christians declared invalid, yet they expect us to accept they can actively work to keep gays as second class citizens and be known as “loving” them.

            Actually though, your comment does allow for an auxiliary point. For me personally the matter of whether being gay is a choice or not is purely intellectual. It only makes their oppression somewhat more disgusting since they can’t change who they are and hence they can in no way avoid being treated as lesser human beings by so-called “loving” Christians. However even if Christians were right and all humans were potential bisexuals with the ability to turn on and off our attractions (which doesn’t sound too shabby, actually) that would be fine by me. Homosexuality does no harm and hence there’s no reason to discriminate against gays, regardless of the origin of their orientation. We accept that people can’t be discriminated against on the basis of their religion, which is most certainly a choice, so actually homophobes don’t have an argument even you accept their unsupported notion that you can “choose” to be gay.

            • anonymous

              You’re right. Anyone can CHOOSE to sin. So, that, my friend, IS an inborn trait. We are all born sinners and being homosexual is just as much of a sin as lying. And yes, you can love someone and not approve of what they’re doing!

              • Anonymous

                Sin is an imaginary concept made up by the religious. Science shows that homosexuality is not a choice and there is no evidence that it is inherently harmful.

                So you’ve made up a crime for a choice that doesn’t exist and has as a consequence a punishment for which there is no evidence. I’ll admit, that takes a lot of imagination.

                Just to finalize, I want you to take a moment and remember your current views on homosexuality. If you can, write them down. In 20 years, I want you to look at that piece of paper and ask yourself if you can show it with pride to a young person, perhaps a grandchild. In 20 years time, will your view be that of an upright moral person or a backward bigot. Will you feel the pride of the white person who can tell their grandchildren they were Freedom Riders or the shame of the white person who doesn’t dare tell their grandchildren they spat on and threw rocks at civil rights protestors? I think I know the answer, but we’ll both see, in 20 years. Cheers :-)

                • Kevin

                  You DON’T know the answer to your own question. I will NOT be ashamed to tell my grandchildren that there is a definate right and wrong in situations. I will NOT allow them to think it’s an inborn trait to be homosexual. And I definately won’t be doing ANYTHING wrong by helping them realize that there is a right and wrong and there are such things as sins. I fell sorry for your poor poor soul doomed to hell.

                • Phurt

                  Btw. I am anonymous

        • anonymous

          But with this insane argument, youre actually saying that Christians are born Christians and have no choice? If you really believe that gay people are born gay, then your point about Christians is invalid

      • http://www.miketheinfidel.com/ MikeTheInfidel

        “God loves all those people too- He loves everyone.  However, he does not like what they choose to do, nor does he like anyone else’s sin.”

        Who gave us our nature, again? You guys are so quick to point out that God doesn’t like what we do, and yet you believe human beings are the same now as we’ve always been. Adam and Eve would’ve been made with the same disobedient nature. Seems to me that your god can’t figure out what the hell he wants people to be like. Make us sick, demand that we be healthy. What a bozo.

      • T-Rex

        Which gawd was that again? There’s so many it’s hard to keep track of them all. Did you ever notice that your gawd hates the same people you do? Wonder why that is.

  • Anonymous

    What is the difference between a religion and a cult anyway?  Isn’t Christianity merely a Johnny-come-lately cult that broke away from Judaism?  An upstart religion that shattered and scattered into tens of thousands of little cults all hiding under an umbrella term.  Isn’t Judaism a cult of monotheism that stems from Amon-Ra monotheism in the Egyptian tradition (well, if you squint at it just right)?  At least with Mormonism, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Neo-Paganism, Cargo cults and Scientology we have records of how these cults and practices started whereas the older faiths (Hinduism, Christianity, Judaism and even Islam) have origins that have dwindled into history.

    Anyway, I’m glad to see the UGAtheists continuing a long tradition of heckling.  Every crowd should have a contingent of hecklers, especially those who are spouting garbage like Driscoll does.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=553145445 Gordon Duffy

      size, a big religion can call a smaller religion a cult. Otherwise there is no difference at all.

      my working definition -back when I was christian- was that if you do any recruiting then you are a cult. Yes, as a christian I though I was a member of a cult and the Jews were not.

      • Anonymous

         A religion is a cult with political power. Here in Arizona, small breakaway Mormon churches that still practice polygamy (often involving elderly men marrying dozens of young girls) regularly pop up in the news. Whenever it happens, mainstream religious leaders and politicians (same thing, here) work themselves up into a lather about how these small churches are “cults” and shouldn’t be respected, whereas True Mormons are part of a religion that must be respected.

    • Anonymous

      The word “cult” has a pejorative, very negative meaning these days. It usually refers to groups with a very authoritarian leader, severe seclusion and even isolation from the outside, use some mind control techniques, restrict information to insiders, etc.

      I’d agree with Mormons, JW and Scientology are definitely cults. They are very insular, shun apostates and people identify with the group to an extreme degree

      Originally though it just meant a group with abnormal practices. Today, we refer to that as a “sect”, which is a splinter group from some faith. Though some people think even that is negative.

      • http://annainca.blogspot.com/ Anna

        Using that definition, I think you’d have to add fundamentalist and conservative evangelicals (like Driscoll) to that list, too. They’re more popular than some of the other groups, but they’re just as insular and they use the same pressure-filled and fear-based tactics to get people to stay in the fold. 

        I think everyone agrees that Scientologists are scary, but it’s funny how JWs often get tagged as a cult, while the Amish are thought of as quaint and wholesome. But both groups encourage rigid gender roles and severe corporal punishment of children, discourage all forms of higher education, and practice official shunning of people who leave the church. Mormons, on the other hand, I don’t see as fundamentally different from, say, Baptists or any other evangelicals.

        • Cnslor

          If you think Mormons and Baptists are similar, them it is clear you know nothing of either one. Mormonism believes you become a god. Baptists worship the One true God.

          • http://annainca.blogspot.com/ Anna

            Actually, I know plenty about both. I was not comparing their theology. I was speaking of the way they function in society. By the way, atheists think that all gods are imaginary. You may believe you worship “the one true god,” but just because you believe something doesn’t make it true. 

            • guest stevo

              And likewise, just because you don’t  believe in a  God or think he’s imaginary - doesn’t mean he doesn’t exsist outside your own finite perception. Neither of us can prove God exsists or does not exsist, I guess we’ll both have to wait till after we die to see. I’m putting my bets on yes.. eternal life seems a percievable option.

              • Anonymous

                You can do whatever you want for yourself, but until you can actually prove that gods or the afterlife exist, you can’t demand that anyone else follows your rules or pass laws based on your beliefs. And even then, it would still be questionable. So keep your religion to yourself

              • Anonymous

                No, we won’t both see after we’re dead. ‘Cause we’ll be you know dead.

                As you would see now if you learned a little bit about neurobiology. Religion is just a self-administered placebo for ignorance.

              • http://annainca.blogspot.com/ Anna

                No one’s trying to stop you from believing whatever you like. I was just explaining that atheists do not think that gods are real. You can believe that your particular deity is real while all the others are imaginary, but that strikes me as culturally myopic. There does not appear to be a shred of evidence for gods, continued consciousness after death, or the supernatural in general. The burden of proof is on those who assert the existence of such extraordinary things.

              • http://www.miketheinfidel.com/ MikeTheInfidel

                I love that you reference the limits of human perception as a *reinforcement* of your beliefs. If we can’t tell either way, then you sure as hell don’t know anything about it either.

    • Tom

      One definition I’m rather inclined to agree with is that a religion is simply a cult that has grown so large and powerful that nobody dares to call it that any more.

      A slightly less cynical version might be that a cult becomes a religion when being a member is no longer generally regarded as unusual or a sign of social withdrawal.  It should be noted that if a cult simply grows to engulf an entire society, both of these stop by default. Some of the other ways cults are defined, such as being insular and secretive, generally cease to be necessary at the same time.

    • Cap’n

      That reminds me!  I picked up a fundie Baptist newsletter from the foyer of Barnes and Noble years ago for fun.  The front page was 10 ways to spot a cult.  As I read through the list, every last one of them could be attributed to at least one if not all Christian denominations.

  • http://www.shadesthatmatter.blogspot.com asmallcontempt

    This dude scares the crap out of me. I’m super glad that an atheist group is paying him some mind.

  • Stephen Joiner

    Thanks for the support, everyone! We will indeed be sporting posters containing excerpts from these quotes. We also have some liberal Christians who will be joining us. Stay tuned for pictures!

    • Jesusaves

      Liberal Christian is an oxy-moron.

      • Xenoknight696

        And “conservative Christian” is just a moron

    • Cnslor

      Liberal christian is an oxymoron.

  • http://www.facebook.com/AnonymousBoy Larry Meredith

    YEEAAAAHHHH, Chevy pickups and bacon air fresheners! OHHHH YEAAAHH.

    • Cap’n

      I’m so straight even my truck has balls and high cholesterol!  My wife put a pansy-ass pink cancer ribbon on the windshield, so I locked her in the closet for a weekend while I painted over the ribbon with camo.  Oh yeah, I’m so flamboyantly straight I had to build a closet full of power tools to hold my excess testosterone!  Smell that armpit… go on, smell it!  That’s sweat, manliness, and BACON!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=525535616 Bridget Marie Blodgett

    I drive a 1978 Chevy pickup with a bacon air freshener, okay… I read the Bible, and I take the parts literally, all of it, including the be kind and this is a sin. I take it all literally.

    Surprised that no one else saw this but the contridition in these two statements is hilarious. Apparently he takes all of the bible literally, you know, except for the parts that mention not eating bacon.

    • Anonymous

      Now why didn’t I think of that!

      On the other hand, he didn’t say anything about eating bacon, so he could do a Reverse Clinton and claim, “I never tried it once, but I DID inhale.”

      Apropos of the comments here from people who want a bacon-scented air freshener, I just want to go on record stating that I think bacon stinks, and the very smell of it makes me nauseous.

      • Cap’n

        Then can I have the bacon air-freshener god has promised you in the hereafter?  I needz it. :)

    • Des P Rit

      In the New Testament Jesus declared all food clean, you should read it before you try to reference it.

      • Drew M.

        Actually, that was Peter in Acts 10. Mark 7:18-19 doesn’t mean what you think it means.

        Perhaps you should take your own advice.

      • Rich Wilson

        I thought God gave us absolute morality.  Why did he tell us not to eat shrimp in the first place?  And what’s with Ex 21?  Are we still allowed to breed our slaves?  And if not, why not?

    • Summer

      I was just about to say that!!! Well done

    • Kelly Kiers

      Bible says you can read…read the new testament

    • anonymous

      Too bad your are doing exactly what ANYONE does to try to disprove something. You can easily take one statement that you know nothing about and take it out of context to prove your point. No where in the Bible does it say, “Thou shalt not eat bacon.” Really?! That’s absurd. What you’re refering to is the cultural aspect of not eating unclean meats. Which was just that, a part of their culture!

      • Anonymous

        And other parts that Christians still desperately cling to as unfailing, eternal dogma were just as much part of the culture then.

        You simply pick and choose which parts of the Bible to follow based on your own likes and prejudices. Then you try to rationalize the rest away

        • Phurt

          I dont pick and choose what parts of the Bible i want to follow. that’s what you and other humans do. I am, however, smart enough to READ my Bible and realize what parts were old testament laws for their culture.

      • Anonymous

        And other parts that Christians still desperately cling to as unfailing, eternal dogma were just as much part of the culture then.

        You simply pick and choose which parts of the Bible to follow based on your own likes and prejudices. Then you try to rationalize the rest away

  • http://theotherweirdo.wordpress.com The Other Weirdo

    “Consulting with dead people”? What’s wrong with that? I thought Christians routinely consulted with a super-zombie, and even worshiped it? Hell, they made an icon of him,  and that’s like the 2nd Commandment.

    • Cap’n

      Can we please leave Reagan out of this? ;)

  • Timothy

    To be fair, I protest the twlight novels as well, but for the reason of I think it’s really horribly written.

  • Liz

    The Monty Python thing is still doing the rounds? What year is that guy living in?
    TV debate from when the film came out-

    And a response-

  • Melle

    Mark Driscoll is a man of the living God, his message could never be drowned out by your protest. YOU ARE LOVED BY A LIVING GOD, AND YOU ARE NOT FORGOTTEN!

    • Summer

      wait what?! you are NOT forgiven? wow wow wow wow okay so NOT  what the Bible says. I really hope that was a typo.

      • Cnslor

        Summer, try reading it again. Not FORGOTTEN. God loves you and doesn’t want any to perish, but has made A way for you to come to Him forgiven and clean. That one way is Jesus Christ.

        • T-Rex

          Worship a deity’s zombie son and love him or burn in hell. Ya, that makes so much sense.

        • Rich Wilson

          The surest sign that respect is not earned is that it is demanded.

      • Melle

        I typed  “your are not FORGOTTEN”. You have misread…but don’t worry, I FORGIVE you.

        • Aaron Scoggin

          And we forgive you for being condescending. By my power, you are forgiven. You’re welcome.

        • Summer

          my mistake :) thank you for the forgivness and understanding

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=553145445 Gordon Duffy

      actually the message is “you are worthless in god’s eyes, but if you jump through this hoop he might let you into his club”

      sounds like a school bully, doesn’t he.

    • http://disienai.tumblr.com/ Semipermeable

      JESUS LOVES YOU IN CAPS LOCK! 

      • http://twitter.com/arensb arensb

        Jesus love you long time!

        • Anonymous

          /wiping off monitor/

          Good one… :-)

    • Cap’n

      I’ve known of a few men called by millions to be a man of the living God.  That was before they were caught on craigslist looking for sex with underage boys.  Well, mostly before, there were some that were still considered to be Godly after.

  • Allyjude

    Bacon isn’t forbidden in Christianity – All foods are acceptable according to Paul in the New Testament – get YOUR facts straight too….  Driscoll isn’t talking about the character ‘Brian’ on the cross but its obvious (by using your mind to make the figurative to literal  leap)  that Brian the mistaken comedic Saviour in the movie is a  representation of the crucifixion scene which is about Christ and indirectly blasphemous in this sense so has every right to be offended  -

    And true, it’s ridiculous to think Buhddists, muslins etc call all pray to Jesus – they don’t believe that Jesus is God so who the heck are you direcing your prayers at? Jesus said “I am the way the truth the light and no one gets to the Father but by me”… so why would a real christian join in with those paths going a different direction.. ???thats like asking an athiest to go to an ashram and express his disblief there.

    You have such unrealistic expectations on those who believe heart and soul in the Bible, your nitpicking can immediately be turned in your own direction….
    I don’t know this guy driscoll hardly at all, but just from this article can see the reason;s yr slamming him are flimsy….

    when he’s talking about gays and homosexuals I think he is saying and I;think this too, why are lesbians so often taking on the image of manliness in the way they express loving women and why do gay men take on feminine traitswhen they both claim to love there own sex… thats a valid kind of cultural question… Lesbian women, loves women but looks like a man… and vice versa…. yet in this confusion… there is no solid framework of what sexuality should be, nobody it seems can answer it.  Eithr way God loves  gays, and lesbians and anyone no matter what sex, race or religion, he came to reconcile the world to him… Once a person meets Jesus, and gives his or her life – these issues can be sorted between a person and their God.

    So easy to throw stones at a Guy who preaches in torn jeans and is hip , what would you prefer – robes and high hats? what do wear to starbucks?  No matter what you all think all publicity for him will only draw others to listening to him, people are hungering for answers and he is preaching the worlds oldest message , millions and billions have that ear to hear it … you’ll never drown out the Gospel and one day “every knee will bow” the whole world will see him(Christ)  and fall flat to the ground and have to confess …Jesus is lord”… get in early do it now. Save yr lself an eternity of being seperarted from his glory. Hell isnt some fun place…. its dark without his light.
     Aleisha Jude

    • Summer

      So you make some really credible points  and I agree with the majority of your argument except for one fact Leviticus 11:26 states that pigs are unclean because they have cloven hooves but they don’t rumination. Most Christians ignore the majority of Leviticus and stick to following the Big Ten except when it comes to the issuse of homosexuality. Then everyone wants to state that since it’s in the bible you better follow it.

      • Chris

        Summer, it is not only the Old Testament (Leviticus) that talks about the sin of homosexuality.  It is also in the New Testament, 1 Corinthians, Romans, etc.  The problem is that there are a lot of Christians who seek to make this sin a “bigger” sin than gluttony, lying, and envy.  Sin is sin, no matter what name it comes under.  All sin, little white lies, stealing, or saying God’s name in vain, or homosexuality are under the same condemnation.

        • Cap’n

          Not exactly, some actually condemn a person to just be among the ‘least in heaven’.  They still get in, but they don’t have as much prestige, or influence, or whatever you’re supposed to have up there.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1149275904 Charlie R Frey

            So, does “least in heaven” mean they’ll be servants of those who have “most in heaven”?  Kind of like here on earth, right?  And when talking about eternity, what is the difference of worshipping and singing god’s praises all day, everyday, whether you have the least or the most ability to sing and praise?  Really?  Please.  Grow up, and live this life.  Don’t throw it away because some asshole who charged you $31-36 to listen to him told you’d get a reward.  This is YOUR life.  LIVE IT!

            • Cap’n

              I do hope you realize I’m merely correcting the Christian with their own book.  I am in no way implying this is my belief.  I am irrevocably pagan.

      • guest

        It’s not that most Christians ignore Leviticus, but rather that most people have a misunderstanding of the laws and how they work with grace.

        The laws in the Old Testament have different types: Ceremonial Law, Civil Law, and Moral Law.

        The commands to not eat “unclean animals” was a ceremonial law, which Christ’s sacrifice put an end to (Eph. 2:14-15). We can eat meat that was once considered “unclean” without fear of punishment. (1 Cor. 10:25-27, Rom. 14:14). Ceremonial law was for specific people, for a specific time, for a specific purpose.

        The Moral Laws, on the other hand, such as your example of homosexuality, are still to be observed by Christians. The moral laws, which include the “Big Ten”, are for all people, and for all time.

        The Civil Laws were also for the Hebrews, much like our civil laws in America pertain to us.

        I hope this helps.

        • Anonymous

          The part about homosexuality in Leviticus is the exact same part as the rest of the holiness code. It isn’t any different. Even the word “abomination” really means “ritual uncleanliness” in the original Hebrew, not what Christians think

          • guest

            So sexual immorality isn’t a moral issue?

            Even if the Leviticus account is about ritual uncleanliness, there are plenty of other commands about sexual purity that are obviously moral and not ceremonial.

            My point was to show the difference of ceremonial law and moral law and explain why some are still practiced and others are not.

            • Cap’n

              Okay, we can get really technical with this one… That Leviticus law does not actually apply to lesbians or effeminate heterosexuals, which  Driscoll seems to think are the same.  It only references that a man may not lay with another man as he lay with a woman.  That leaves lesbians fair game, women were never mentioned except in that knowing way a man may lay with them.

              • http://www.facebook.com/lrherbert Leslie Ruth Herbert

                Nope, the bible hates on the lesbians too :(     
                Rom. 1:26-28, “For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper.”

              • Elizabeth Maddison

                Sidebar- the bit about not lying with a man as with a woman uses a different verb from the preceding sections detailing the women one can’t sleep with. The ‘man as with woman’ verb is apparently used in other places to refer to some form or coercion or trickery. If that is the case, it would mean ‘You can’t force a man to have sex with you as you would a woman’.
                Niiiice…..

                • Anonymous

                  “You can rape women, but you can’t rape men”

                  That would make perfect sense given biblical “morals”

              • Elizabeth Maddison

                Sidebar- the bit about not lying with a man as with a woman uses a different verb from the preceding sections detailing the women one can’t sleep with. The ‘man as with woman’ verb is apparently used in other places to refer to some form or coercion or trickery. If that is the case, it would mean ‘You can’t force a man to have sex with you as you would a woman’.
                Niiiice…..

          • Ex Atheist

            So Ste84,  Bestiality , polygamy and sex with children would also be okay in your book? I mean, who are we to forced our morals on anyone, right?

            • Anonymous

              Ah yeah, the concept of informed consent has always been a problem for Christians

              And no there is nothing wrong with polyamory. It’s just polygamy as practiced by religious groups is very misogynistic

              • http://disienai.tumblr.com/ Semipermeable

                Agreed. I love how they place consenting sex between adults on the same level as child rape and animal abuse. 

                And they think we’re perverse. Hahaha.

                • Anonymous

                  It’s downright scary that so many people have deluded themselves into thinking that the only thing that’s keeping them from stealing, murdering and raping is an ancient book. Maybe it’s better that they believe…

            • Cap’n

              So’s incest according to the Good Book.  On one hand, yes it says incest is wrong in the same passages it says gay sex is wrong, but on the other hand when Abraham married his sister, God was so pleased he made not only Abraham a king among men, but his incestuous son and all the generations thereafter.

        • Anonymous

          Oh, I love this Moral, Ceremonial, Civil law shtick. I bet you’re a Ray Comfort fan, aren’t you? Where does the Bible say the Law is broken into those categories, guest? 

      • Cnslor

        Homosexuality is also forbidden in the New Testament as is murder, lying, adultery, etc. The “Big Ten” as you put it is not in Leviticus, it is given in Exodus. Homosexuality is not a “bigger” sin than lying, but it is still a sin and therefore separates one from God. If one repents and turns away from their sin – ANY sin – God is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 

      • YouthPastorJAC

        We (Christians) don’t ignore Leviticus, we just understand that there are some parts of the law that were social and meant to keep God’s people (the Jews) separate from the rest of the world.  The promise, however, was always that God would one day bless all peoples in the world, not just Jews, by bringing salvation through Christ to “all who believe” (John 3).  Those social aspects of the law were fulfilled by Jesus so that we would not have to obey them any longer and all people groups could now come to salvation.  Here’s how Mark puts it …

        “And he called the people to him again and said to them, “Hear me, all of you, and understand: There is nothing outside a person that by going into him can defile him, but the things that come out of a person are what defile him.” And when he had entered the house and left the people, his disciples asked him about the parable. And he said to them, “Then are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him, since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.) And he said, “What comes out of a person is what defiles him. For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.” (Mark 7:14-23)

        • http://twitter.com/SlobX SlobX

          I am amazed  that your brain can make sense of this rubbish.

        • Summer

          Okay so thank you all for explaining that to me. It really did help, I only have one concern and I hope one of you can explain it to me. If God is love (thats what it says in the bible right?) then how is he gonna send someone to hell for how they love? I mean I understand it’s a sin but why? Why is loving someone differently so wrong?

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1149275904 Charlie R Frey

          Phew!  Now I can go eat shrimp again. 

        • http://www.facebook.com/lrherbert Leslie Ruth Herbert

          Oh, that makes everything really clear. Where do I sign up?

        • Elizabeth Maddison

          So it’s alright to fellate someone, as long as you swallow?

          Facitiousness aside, the bit generally translated as ‘sexual imorality’ is actually ‘dallying with prostitutes’ in the original Greek. ‘Moicheiai porneiai’.

          Translating it as ‘sexual imorality’ and claiming it relates to homosexuality is begging the question in a big way.

          • Elizabeth Maddison

            Ak! Sorry. I think that  ‘mocheiai’ is the second person singular of the verb ‘moichao’, ‘to have dallience with’, but is also a noun for ‘adultery’.
            Still nothin’ to do with comitted same-sex relationships, though….

        • T-Rex

          Lost ya when you went for the Biblical quotes. Last vestige of a theist with no real answers. BTW, Zeus is not amused and will now release the Kracken. Thanks.

    • Jesusaves

      Amen. Well said!

    • Aaron Scoggin

      So I should believe in Jesus and gawd, because if not, I’ll burn forever? So it’s not about love. It’s about fear.

    • Cap’n

      First, how is the crucifixion scene in Brian anything to do with Christ? the entire movie pushed the intent to make fun of Jewish people who picked their messiahs – as Pilot puts it – by the sackful, and the numerous and innefective terrorist groups that faction into sub-groups so never really accomplish anything.  Do you realize how many thousands of ‘not-Christ’ individuals were cruxified?  Christ was subjected to this thing a lot of other people were subjected to.  So, Christ also ate fish, is someone who makes light of eating a fish dinner not being equally blasphemous?  The miracle wasn’t the cruxifiction, it was the resurrection which only one person achieved.  Unless you count 1 Kings 17:17-24, 2 Kings 4:32-37, and 2 Kings 13:21, or the many many Greeks and Pagans like Achilles, Alcmene, Castor, Heracles, Melicertes, Krishna, Bacchus, Osiris, etc.

      And true, your additiude seems to think you don’t want these Buhddists and pieces of fabric.. sorry Muslim.. people to convert, you really aren’t giving them any incentive but fear of something they don’t believe in without offering anything that will actually cause them to believe it.

      You have such unrealistic expectations on those who went to Seminary school and were taught which passages to emphasize and in what order (which is not chronological) and which passages to avoid entirely and which ones to cover far far away from others to avoid people doubting the Word thanks to the contradictions, and sometimes to avoid them doubting the political party the church in questions is supporting.  I sat through a prayer directed only at the believers of Katrina at one church, I walked out and never returned because a believer has many who will pray for him, but not a prayer can be spared that Christ may open the heart of a non-believer and take pity on him.  Another church had a closing prayer that invoked so many of Moses’ instructions that Christ corrected (sorry, fulfilled) that I’m surprised it didn’t end with in Moses name we pray… the prayer included a statement justifying our occupation of Iraq and had a special prayer for George W. Bush “our godly commander and chief” his words of someone who said the Bible probably isn’t even true.  Another church I never returned to.

      And what you’re talking about with gays and homosexuals (these are different?), is a misunderstanding of lesbian vs. feminist vs. trans-gendered, they are not interchangeable words.

      I don’t care what he wears for the most part, I know a pastor who will perform a marriage with him, bride and groom, and the audience entirely in the nude if that is their preference.  But if the event is the weekly honoring of God and his greatness and you are so big on not insulting him, don’t you think it’s a good idea to at least look decent and not like a slacker (unless you happen to not have anything else to wear, because I don’t believe someone should be turned away because they only have the clothes on their back).  To have a wardrobe of nice close and choose to dress in a manner that shows how little care and concern you have for the reverence of your position and the function you are performing is nothing if not an insult to God.  Reverence to god is not the same as ordering a Venti Peppermint Mocha.  I’ll take mine with a triple shot please.

    • noe

      “Jesus said “I am the way the truth the light and no one gets to the Father but by me”… so why would a real christian” follow the teachings of Paul?

      • Anonymous

        Maybe because Jesus (assuming he existed) didn’t write anything himself.  Maybe because Jesus (if he existed) seemed to be perfectly content to remain a Jew and said nothing about starting a new religion in his name.

  • April7

    Regardless of who preaches the Word, if you don’t believe in Jesus Christ you will live eternally in hell. Period.point.blank. enjoy your earthly life now while you can. Your forever is gonna suck….

    • Katie Jones

      I wish you could understand that this type of comment is completely destroying your purpose as a Christian and should cause you to question the foundation of your “loving” faith.

    • Aaron Scoggin

      Do you have any evidence to back up this claim? Whatsoever? I’d be glad to hear it.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=553145445 Gordon Duffy

      Sweet imaginary Jesus April!

    • Anonymous

      Nice getting to know you, too.  :-)

    • Anonymous

      Excellent point:  “Enjoy your earthly life now while you can”.

      It is, after all, the only one that we know that we will have.

    • Anonymous

      Yes, Jesus loves you so much that if you don’t believe he exists he will torture you for eternity!

      Me, I like definitions of love that don’t involve divinely created and maintained torture chambers. Guess that’s just my evil atheist morality eh?

      You keep talking though. The obvious glee at the idea of people crying and wailing in eternal pain and anguish does more to drive people away from Christianity than any amount of chattering we atheists can do. Cheers!

      • ThedaBara

        Ha! Ha! HA!!!! Jesus loves me soooooooooo much he’s going to torture me for eternity??? Can you not see how twisted that is? I’m not really into the BDSM lifestyle, maybe you are?

        • Anonymous

          Hi! My name is “Sarcasm”! Pleased to meet you! ;-)

          Also, I’d suggest reading the entire comment :-D

    • T-Rex

      Just sitting around waiting to become wormfood, eh? That’s awesome.

  • B Griffin

    I thought this blog was called the “Friendly Atheist.”

    • Aaron Scoggin

      It is.

    • http://friendlyatheist.com Richard Wade

      Hi B Griffin, please see my reply to Chris further down in the comments. 

  • Ditto

    lol Atheists. 

    • Spencer

      Funny, because I think saying ‘lol Christians’ is far more relevant to this discussion thread. You guys are insulting us for agreeing with a group of protestors by coming and trolling our site. It’s pretty ironic.

      • Drew M.

        I’d say that’s more hypocrisy than irony.

  • Ed Nite

    Jesus is alive!!!! Mark speaks truth and sometimes truth hurts!!! Keep it up Mark!!!!

    • Aaron Scoggin

      Lies are far worse. Spreading lies, even if they’re not your own, is just as bad as making them up in the first place.

    • http://twitter.com/mythreedollars Michael Denton

      Jesus’s status has nothing to do with Driscoll.  He’s speaking his understanding of the truth, but not The Truth.  There are a lot of Christians who disagree with his interpretation, understanding, and discourse.

  • Jjbeames

    I know that I am going to get blasted on this website but thats  okay. I kn0w Driscoll can say some things that are out there but he knows the Bible very well and to to say he doesnt is uneducated….Most of the arguments on here agianst him are weak….My one question is why cant he have a faith or an opinon without getting blasted…He would never show up to one of your meetings  or confrences. There might be some so called christian groups that would show up but it would not be driscoll. Driscoll is secure in his faith so he doesn’t need to protest yours…..Are most of you not secure in your own beliefs that you have to protest his…..If you dont beileve in God that is fine but why are you bothered by those that do.

    • Katie Jones

      I’m not going to blast you, but I do disagree in some respects. I agree that Mark Driscoll knows the Bible well. From my perspective, that doesn’t mean much, as the more I got to know the Bible (being raised Christian) the more conflicted its messages became in my mind. I believe a similar thing can happen to anyone who reads the Bible.

      He’s getting blasted by this particular group, because his words are a roadblock on their quest for peace and equality. This group is not hurting Driscoll’s cause, so you’re right, he doesn’t need to address anything they say or do. He believes there is some sort of eternal gift awaiting him after all is said and done here. The group he’s verbally attacking believes this life is the one that needs to be made the best it can be. You can’t deny that some of the things he has said are pretty bigoted, and I respect people who won’t just sit down and take that. I think before the Church starts getting super defensive, they should consider the opposing argument and what ways it could be right so that the Church can learn how to love them instead of feeling martyred for their faith.

    • Drew M.

      I’ll give you a sincere answer.

      I am perfectly fine with people believing in a higher power; most of my family and friends still do. Their belief gives them comfort and strength and I have no desire to try and take that away from them.

      Unfortunately, people like Driscoll are fostering hatred towards those different than yourselves. This then manifests itself as bigotry and, far too often, violence. In turn, this hurts many, many people whose only “crime” is that they were born differently than the heteronormative majority.

      This is wrong and unacceptable. That is why we speak out. If all Christians seriously believed in “live and let live,” we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

    • Anonymous

      If you can honestly look at those quotes in the post above and tell me he’s a good man who means good in the this world, then there is no point in arguing with you.  He is a misogynist.  He interprets the bible in ways that are hurtful to others, especially those who don’t agree with him.  I understand he’s of a denomination that adheres to these beliefs, but that is the underlying problem. 

      And I, personally, am bothered by those who believe in god because they are trying desperately to take over this country by using their beliefs and bible to influence law to govern all people in this country, regardless of belief or nonbelief.  It is incumbent upon me and others like me to speak out and let them know that their methods of enforcing their religious beliefs using the US law is wrong.  Period.

    • http://twitter.com/mythreedollars Michael Denton

      In addition to the other fine comments on why Driscoll is being blasted, I’ll add that, for one, is either intentionally or out of ignorance mischaracterizing and misrepresenting feminism and feminist thought to suit his own ideology.  He’s welcome to critique a line of thought if he knows what it actually says and if he’ll represent it with integrity.  His words quoted above suggest he is acted either without ethinics or without knowledge.

      Second, Driscoll conflates sexuality with gender.  He also seems to imbue gender expression with moral or spiritual worth.  I know a lot of gay-identified men who can “out man” Driscoll any day, who are more “flamboyantly” masculine than he is; so, again he’s mischaracterizing gay men out of either ignorance or willfullness.  Neither should be tolerated. 

      Also, I wonder if he’s considered how more effeminate (or less masculine) yet heterosexual men of his congregation feel? Why can’t a straight man enjoy light beer or drive whatever he wants or hold whatever profession he wants without having his masculinity impugned?  Would he consider them less-than? His words imply that he would. 

      Third, regardless of his theological stance, why must he use his beliefs to insult and hurt people he dislikes?  What is Christian about that? Nothing.  He mocks and insults and judges, none of which seem to stem from any version of Christianity as I understand it (as a recovering Southern Baptist near-minister).

  • Aimeeproulx

    Just want to point out the missed obvious here- these protests are not against Mark Driscoll, no matter how badly you’d like them to be.  They are against God’s Word and God himself.  Mark is a pastor and you take issue with what God put in the book Mark believes in and preaches.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=553145445 Gordon Duffy

      actually they are against Mark, which you could tell by using a skill we call reading

      • http://www.facebook.com/lrherbert Leslie Ruth Herbert

        hahahaha. That made my day :)

    • Aaron Scoggin

      If they were, then why aren’t atheists protesting all churches? The fact is, it IS against Mark Driscoll, no matter how badly you’d like them not to be. He is incredibly sexist, saying that lesbians are masculine and gay men are feminine. I doubt if he’s ever met a gay person in his life.

      • Anonymous

        It’s also somewhat nonsensical to say that atheists are protesting god, when we don’t even think that such a being exists. But then, many Christians think atheists are just angry at god and other such things

    • Cap’n

      I’m just curious which bible passage explains how driving a 70′s Chevy means your straight or that Jews pray to Satan?  It’s not taking issue with what he cites from the bible, it’s what he cites as biblical that’s anything but. 

    • Anonymous

      I don’t believe in God.  I don’t believe in any gods.  I’m not against gods or the words of gods.  I just don’t believe that they exist.  Driscoll exists though.

    • T-Rex

      Again with the blasphemy. Zeus is really getting pissed and his wrath will be  terrible. Thanks for dooming us all.

  • Victor

    As consistent atheists, the only reason you folks are making these statements are due to certain chemical reactions in your brains, not because of any truth values in your propositions.

    After reading this diatribe against Driscoll, I have been pondering holding protests against atheist conventions and gatherings.  Perhaps I can pull quotes from contemporary atheists and get the megaphone out, shouting things such as “Bibliophobe,” Christophobe”, “Theophobe,” “Decaloguephobe,” and the like…

    “Every way of a man is right in his own eyes, but the LORD weighs the heart.” (Proverbs 21:2)

    • Aaron Scoggin

      Is this serious? Just wondering.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=553145445 Gordon Duffy

      phobe implies irrationality. My fear of theocracy is rational. I don’t want to go back to the dark ages.

    • Anonymous

      You know, in a country that supports freedom of speech, you have every right protest at atheist conventions and gatherings.  I for one completely support your right to do so while thinking that you would be a bit of a dick if you actually did.

      As your comment about chemical reactions in the brain it should be pointed out that the process by which thoughts and memory are made in no way changes any truth propositions made.  You paint a false dichotomy.

    • Zombieroach73

      You are welcome to protest atheist gatherings.  I hope you know we did not use a megaphone during the protest and, in fact, did not yell anything other than “wooh!” when a passing car honked at our sign.  Please realize that yelling something through a megaphone does not make you more right and will not help you get any converts to your view.

  • Chris

    I’m simply confused about the title of your blog….”The Friendly Athiest.”  What exactly is friendly about this site????

    • Aaron Scoggin

      We won’t say you’re going to burn for eternity or that there’s something wrong with you for having a different belief.

      • anonymous

        Oh… you’re right! Let’s just accept any old way someone wants to live and accept it. If a 70 year old man is attracted to an 8 year old girl, thats ok! Come on, anything goes!
        How insanely absurd is that?! THERE HAS TO BE A STANDARD!!!!! You say that your group won’t say anything or think someones wrong for having a different belief! Then, if someone wants to be different and rape your daughter, that’s quite alright huh! That is the craziest thing I’ve ever heard. You have to have a set of standards!!!

        • Rich Wilson

          That which decreases suffering and increases well being.  Simple, no?

          For the longer explanation, try here: http://www.samharris.org/site/full_text/the-moral-landscape-q-a-with-sam-harris/

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=553145445 Gordon Duffy

          “We are all filthy, nasty sinners!” – is not a standard

          • Phurt

            What’s your standard then? I never said it was a standard. It’s just the truth :)

        • Elizabeth Maddison

          The standard is- Don’t harm people.
          Raping someone- harm.
          Consentual sex with someone capable of making an informed decision- no harm.
          Believing in God- no harm.
          Using that belief in God to contol other people- harm.

          Simple, ne?

          • Phurt

            But what is harming someone? What I think hurts someone may not be hurtful to someone else. Therefore, I don’t really think it’s harmful to muder someone who has hurt me. After all, thats what they deserve right? So, pretty much.. my definition of ‘harmful’ can be whatever I’d like it to be. Therefore, NO STANDARD.

            • Rich Wilson

              Thankfully we have LAWS to deal with idiots like you who can’t figure out if something is right or wrong unless they look it up in a book.

              BTW, what does the bible say about driving your chariot after imbibing a little too much wine?  Oh ya, IT DOESN’T.

              • anonymous

                BTW, the Bible talks about abiding by the laws of the land also :) That’s a law of the land. So, once again. Don’t speak without correct information :)

            • ACN

              Are you insane? Or being deliberately foolish?

              Ye olde golden rule is a pretty good first order approximation, and in particular, I’m partial to wording it in this way:”What you do not wish upon yourself, extend not to others.”

    • http://friendlyatheist.com Richard Wade

      Hi Chris. Thank you very much for asking.  Very often Christians visit this site only to tell us about what we think, feel and do, rather than to sincerely ask us.  You can see a few examples of that right here in these comments.  I’ve conversed with many hundreds of Christians, and it seems that the Christians who don’t actually know any atheists closely at all are the ones who are the most eager to tell atheists all about what atheists think, feel and do.

      So it’s refreshing to actually hear a sincere information-seeking question.

      This site is called Friendly Atheist because of the widespread and for the most part unfounded prejudice that atheists are nasty, mean, evil, angry, depraved, aggressive and dangerous.  To be sure, there are a few atheist websites that sometimes have an angry tone, but more often this perception is from the bias rather than actual observation. So to try to counteract that, and to have a website where atheists and believers can at least have a chance for respectful dialogues, Hemant Mehta founded this site.

      Bear in mind that “friendly” does not mean “make nice,” and it does not mean accepting abuse.  We disagree with much of what believers believe, and more often we object to objectionable things that believers do to other people.  While some atheists who comment here can get frustrated, we generally try to disagree and object in as respectful a manner as our human patience will allow.

      For a very long time, religion has been held in what is called a privileged position. It has enjoyed a “hands off” social policy insisting that religious ideas should never be questioned or challenged.  Many Christians have become very accustomed to this. So no matter how gently, politely, and respectfully an atheist forms a question or a challenge to a religious claim, Many Christians will automatically perceive that as “unfriendly” or “rude,” or “aggressive.”  The reality is that it is not rude to simply question or challenge any ideas.

      So Chris, please consider the possibility that your initial perception that we’re not being friendly is more about not being used having your ideas questioned or challenged by people who see things differently.  Also, please forgive the few of us who forget our manners once in a while and go beyond simply questioning or challenging your ideas.  There are well-behaved and poorly behaved individuals in any kind of group, and any individual can have well-behaved and poorly-behaved days.

      I hope that you will visit again and like several other Christians who often comment here, I hope you will dialogue with us in a good-natured way.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=553145445 Gordon Duffy

        As always, Richard, you take something I’ve tried to say and put so clearly I’m left kicking myself!

        • Rich Wilson

          We should put that permalink in the FAQ

  • Heidi

    What is everyone so worried about?  Over time, this mental weakness of Christian fundamentalism will be bred out of humanity.  The more evolved homosexuals will pass on their genitc code to future generations and……oh, wait…

    Great. Just great.

    What’s that conference about again?  Being nice to your spouse?  This might lead to Christians geting more “action” and making more…gasp…babies.  

    What in the world are you doing protesting?!?!?!?  Get busy with the procreation already!!!  Future generations of Hedonistic Nihilists are counting on you.

    Oh, by the way.  If you need help with your relationships with your mate and offspring later on, I know this guy. Driscoll or something….

    • MichaelB

      Hedonistic Nihilists? Really? How many atheists do you actually know? I’d wager the answer is “none.”  And, for what it’s worth, my relationship with my wife and kids has improved dramatically since we quit going to church a couple of years ago.  But I guess if stereotyping makes you feel better…

    • Cap’n

      No no, [I] am a Hedonist, these people are Atheists, the Nihilists don’t care enough about anything to bother responding to you.  Insults work best when you get the names right you communi-uh-sociali-uh-capitali-uh… somethingist!
      I choose to side with what Jesus said… and yes the words were in Red… when he criticized the Jews for not following the law by killing their children when they disobeyed.  So, if I really wanted to follow the word of Christ, and I was going to have children, AND my children ultimately at some point would disobey me because that’s just what children do, I would have to kill them (courtesy of Matthew 15:4-7), and I don’t want to have to kill my child like Jesus tells me I should so therefore I won’t have them and that’ll save me the trouble.
      And before you say it’s just a parable and he was chiding the Pharisees of being hypocrites, let’s also review Matthew 5:18 which tells us the old law still stands, every little comma, exclamation point, ellipse (the little literary whore) as well as the bastard Oxford fuckin’ comma,  and we have to keep obeying it, so Jesus couldn’t have been saying it out of pure sarcasm, it was already outlined that we still have to follow that law.
      And schmott guy, do you know what happens if the whole world turns gay?  A few will still artificially inseminate but for the most part human life will die out.  And given the sheer number of Trolls out there that are technically of the human race, I’m not sure our species extinction is such a bad thing.  I think the earth could finally heal the wounds we’ve inflicted by anally raping it for greed and profits and war… and since most of that was done at the behest of what you call a Christian Nation, must have been the will of God for the world to be so utterly damaged.

      • Heidi

        Oh, sorry I made you so mad.   Think of my post as an elbow in the ribs and a wink.  The truth is that every one of us sould die for the crap we constantly do.  Jesus is the ultimate conservationist.  He hauls people out of the pit they can’t quit digging for themselves and saves them.  He even saved me, a stinking good-girl know-it-all.  My type of person is one of the worst.  My self-righteousness was all I needed to aim me to hell.  This God I have come to know is better than I ever dreamed. I pray that He will grab you too.  The hound of Heaven is never put off the scent of a soul bound to be his.

        • Anonymous

          Wow… Heidi, whatever you’re on, it must be some good chit.  My head is spinning at the nonsense you’re written.  It’s amusing and all, honestly it is.  But wow.

          I’m sorry, truly sorry, that you and all of the other religious folk here need an ancient book of parables in order to be good, law-abiding, moral folk.  I don’t.  I don’t think I’m better than anyone, least of all your imaginary friend God, but I know that I shouldn’t hurt others or cheat on my spouse or any of those other things.  I also know that I can love my fellow man despite what he might do in the privacy of his own home with whatever gender person he prefers, whether I agree with it or not.

          I really does make me sad that the majority of this country thinks like this… sad, sad, sad.  I could say something about the hound of rational thought might be nipping at your heels as well, but that just sounds silly.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=553145445 Gordon Duffy

          “He even saved me” – remember you said that Heidi, next time someone uses the old line about how religion is ennobling and concerned with human dignity.

          Religion tells you that you are a wretch but that your abusive partner … I mean saviour will overlook yor many flaws (that they feel the need to constantly point out) because they love you.

          Your religion tells you that you are dirty so it can promise you soap.

          There is nothing of human dignity in that.

        • http://www.miketheinfidel.com/ MikeTheInfidel

          “The truth is that every one of us should die for the crap we constantly do.”

          You’re okay with this, and this is a message you think should be taught to children. You, ma’am, are a fucking monster.

          • http://www.facebook.com/lrherbert Leslie Ruth Herbert

            Whoa Mike, cool down a second. Heidi did not make this up. This is not her idea. She is a victim to the madness like every other true believer. Please. I know it is challenging, but that is the job, talking to theists calmly and modeling positive communication skills. 

            • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=553145445 Gordon Duffy

              I think it is fair to say “are you seriously endorsing this?” – we all know Heidi is not the inventor of christian doctrine.

              But when someone straight faced says “we all deserve to die” they at least deserve a Silverman Stare

          • anonymous

            You actually think something you do is GOOD enough?? It’s not good enough! We are all filthy, nasty sinners! Nothing you could EVER do would make you good enough for anyone!
            you like to think that we’re all just good, decent people because it makes you feel happy and ok with yourself and your sin. No one is a good, decent person.

            • http://annainca.blogspot.com/ Anna

              Who told you that? You weren’t born believing such horrible things about yourself. You were victimized by adults you should have been able to trust. You were taught that you are inherently filthy and nasty. That’s child abuse. I know you won’t believe me, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with you. It’s terrible that you were taught these things, but I hold out hope that it’s possible for people to break away from abusive teachings. If you want to, you can embrace a more positive view of life.

              • Phurt

                That’s where you’re wrong. I know my sinful nature is sick and disgusting in the eyes of God. But, through God’s grace, I am now wonderful and new. But, NOTHING IN ME has made me that way. Only the grace and love of Jesus Christ has brought me to where I am today.

                • Phurt

                  And, no. I was not a ‘victim of child abuse’! Thats absurd. I was taught the truth. All of you who believe that you can get yourself to Heaven or you’re just good enough to live here, are victims of self-abuse.

                • http://annainca.blogspot.com/ Anna

                  I know you sincerely believe that, but you’re defending your abuser. You’re not sick and disgusting. There’s nothing wrong with you. You were taught to feel guilt and shame about being human. You were taught that you deserved death, that you deserved to be tortured for eternity.

                  That’s what’s sick and disgusting. Your religion takes little children and makes them believe horrible things about themselves. Don’t you realize that it’s manipulation? They want you to feel guilty and ashamed. They want you to believe that you’re broken. They’re telling you that Jesus is the “cure” for an illness that you don’t have.

                • Rich Wilson

                  The really sad part about this is that this is EXACTLY how some victims of spousal abuse think.  And it become so ingrained in their life that they literally cannot see how illogical it is. They think it’s their fault that their partner hits them.  They think they deserve it, and they actually feel bad for their partner, because they made their partner hit them, and the hitting hurt the hitter more than the hittee.

                  (I don’t think all religious people have abuse-victim-relationships with their god, but this one clearly does)

                • Rich Wilson

                  The really sad part about this is that this is EXACTLY how some victims of spousal abuse think.  And it become so ingrained in their life that they literally cannot see how illogical it is. They think it’s their fault that their partner hits them.  They think they deserve it, and they actually feel bad for their partner, because they made their partner hit them, and the hitting hurt the hitter more than the hittee.

                  (I don’t think all religious people have abuse-victim-relationships with their god, but this one clearly does)

            • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=553145445 Gordon Duffy

              “We are all filthy, nasty sinners!” – look at the respect religion has for human dignity.

              • Phurt

                No one deserves respect. If everyone would stop and realize they’re not the awesome people they’d like to think they are.. they would realize the need for a Savior.

                • Rich Wilson

                  The surest sign that respect is not deserved is that it is demanded.

        • MichaelB

          I’m not sure why I’m trying to reason with you here, but whatever.

          Looks like your reply was to cap’n, but just so you know, I’m not mad.  Just wondering why you need the help of an ancient book or some pastor-type individual in order to figure out the best way to treat your spouse, mate or kids.  Even when I *was* a Christian I never understood that, actually.  But if thinking for yourself is too difficult, I guess…

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=553145445 Gordon Duffy

      Wait, Heidi, do you think christianity is a sexually transmitted disease?  Newsflash, christians can have non-christian children. I know my parents did.

      We don’t need to outbreed you. There’s no “godless” gene we need to get  out there.

      We just need the ideas weighed on their own merits and we win. Why do you think religion loves indoctrinating children so much? Because if you wait till they are adults before springing the magic story on them they’d laugh it off.

  • Hedgey

    I wonder as an atheist why you think that there is some duty for you to speak out against the “vile things” Driscoll spews out.  Assuming a naturalistic account of Driscoll and his thoughts they are really just a complex set of chemical and bilogical reactions over which he truly has no control.  Why blame that bag of matter for saying things that other bags of matter don’t like?  Why this puritanical moralism when it seems to me you have foundation to base it on?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=553145445 Gordon Duffy

      Interesting that you feel entitled to tell us what we believe under a naturalistic world view. It is just a shame you didn’t ask.

      Shall I assign views to you supernaturalists in return? It would be fairer. I used to be one of you.

      Not believing in a magical afterlife or vicarious redemption means the things people do matter *more*. This is the only world there is, what people do is important.

    • http://www.miketheinfidel.com/ MikeTheInfidel

      I wonder why as a Christian you think your beliefs change anything. If there is no God, then the world you’ve lived in your entire life is exactly what a godless world is like. You act like we’re the only ones that have to justify our actions, because we’re not the ones believing in magic. News flash: there’s no god, so if *we* have to justify our actions, *you* have an equal charge.

  • Anonymous

    Wow. Driscoll really mobilized his troll army

    • http://annainca.blogspot.com/ Anna

      The protest is taking place today. It looks like his followers aren’t happy!

    • Cap’n

      Oh my [INSERT DEITY HERE]!  Trolls eat babies!  Won’t someone think of the babies?!? ;)

    • T-Rex

      There are a lot bridges missing their tenders.

    • T-Rex

      There are a lot bridges missing their tenders.

  • Katie Jones

    I like your ambigram logo.

  • Kleptominotaur

    Strange enough, their is absolutely nothing controversial about the quotes selected. You may disagree with them, but they are not inflamatory. Maybe I could poke at the last one (I don’t know that hanging drywall is a heterosexual trait). But really. Barrier to peace and equality? You mean a society with no disagreements, everyone does as they wish? Discernment and truth are relics of the past? What happened to dialogue?

    • http://www.miketheinfidel.com/ MikeTheInfidel

      The guy says atheists pray to Satan and you don’t see anything wrong with it: Protip: we don’t pray period.

      Oh, and dialogue? People like Driscoll want nothing to do with it.

    • http://annainca.blogspot.com/ Anna

      I think someone would have to be pretty deep into fundamentalism to believe that there is “absolutely nothing controversial” about those quotes.

  • Melle

    It’s interesting that Atheists believe Jesus to be a fake, or “just a guy” or whatever, but the mere mention of this “man” who lived 2000 years ago still gets you all riled up. Gotta be something to that! (Ohhhh….and I KNOW that at least one of you will say it’s just because us coo coo crazy Christian people who tread on EVERYONE else  beliefs just won’t shut up about it blah blah blah…just remember, we’ve all been fed to the lions one time or another….

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=553145445 Gordon Duffy

      Does it hurt that once “christian martyr” meant something more than “whiny spoilt brat”?

    • Anonymous

      Let’s say the atheists were using some ancient book written about a golden frog to determine who to elect to office and those people use said book to pass laws outlawing many of the freedoms you enjoy, would you not speak out?  Would you not just ask that we go ahead and believe in our golden frog and our book but not use it to pass laws?

      I know it sounds silly and I could probably come up with something better, but it’s late and I’m tired.  I hope you get what I’m saying.  THEN you might understand.   

    • http://www.miketheinfidel.com/ MikeTheInfidel

      Believe whatever fruity crap you want. Have at it. But once you start using those fruity crap beliefs to make political decisions or take away people’s rights, you’re goddamn right I’m going to get riled up.

    • Elizabeth Maddison

      I’ve never seen an atheist get upset about Jesus being mentioned. Some really good stuff’s been attributed to that guy.
      What annoys a lot of people, incuding many Christians, is the tendency of extremists to twist the words around to support their world view, add a lot of mistranslations of what is, basically, Paul’s fanfic, and use it to bash people over the head.

  • Joshua Schack

    you people are idiots.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=553145445 Gordon Duffy

      you really need to make it clear whether by “you people” you are refering to Hemant and the regular commentors, or the christian trolls trying to defend a pastor’s bigotry.

  • ACN

    Troll army for Jesus much?

  • Brandon H.

    As a Christian and Seattle local, i’m appalled by just about everything that comes out of Mark Driscoll’s mouth.  I cry that he is acts as representation of my religion to other religious groups and communities.  I’m sorry to all of you for his behavior.


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