A Christian College’s Dating Rules

No one’s forcing me to attend The Crown College in Powell, Tennessee, but holy hell, I can’t believe anyone would even consider it after going through their handbook (PDF). It’s dated 2009-2010, but it’s still the version they’re linking to today.

Not only do they suck any type of freedom out of you, but I would be in serious trouble if I hugged a female friend, gave a woman a ride home even if she desperately needed one, or dated a white person without first getting my parents’ approval:

Apparently, if you don’t ban interracial dating like Bob Jones University used to do, then it’s ok… as long as you treat it like it’s worse than dating someone of the same race.

Also, it’s hard not to notice that they don’t forbid homosexuality in that list… LOOPHOLE!

(via Stuff Fundies Like)

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  • http://profiles.google.com/hooverjd John Hoover

    Is it just me, or does this list passively endorse threesomes? :-)

    • Drakk

      They would need to be entirely homosexual threesomes (or n-somes, let’s use the general case) though.

      • Anonymous

        I thought it wasn’t gay if it’s a threeway?

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1565330170 Katie Crombie Burgess

          Only with a honey in the middle is there some leeway.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1615185942 Ray Whiting

            leeway with a threeway?   hmm

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=627621188 Abhilash Dwarakanath

          All three could be men. The worst case of a devil’s threeway. Or not, if you ask the greeks. I dunno.

    • http://www.holytape.etsy.com Holytape

      As long as you get the administrative approval…. 

  • Yoav

    Holy crap Batman!
    Sitting at meals with a member of the opposite sex is dating, wow I was going on thousands of dates and I didn’t even know.

    • http://nathandst.blogspot.com NathanDST

      That means I’ve been on on group dates! OMG, I wonder if those led to orgies??

    • Charles Black

      Something tells me that they can’t possibly enforce ALL of those rules.
      If this is what a theocracy looks like I’m out.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Miles-McCullough/1026691196 Miles McCullough

        I think it is hard to underestimate the effectiveness of informers.

    • http://www.quietatheist.com/ Slugsie

      I was just thinking back to all the times I’ve worked a late shift with a female colleague. I never knew we were dating. To make it worse we would end the date by going home to our respective partners too. Oh the sin I have lived in.

  • http://www.facebook.com/AnonymousBoy Larry Meredith

    Men should treat their dates with respect and kindness at all times, observing all rules of courtesy.

    This jumps out at me as extremely odd. Why doesn’t it apply to women? Why are they given the freedom to be insensitive and disrespectful to their dates?

    • Anonymous

      Because they are supposed to shut up and eat their food

      • http://www.facebook.com/d3st88 Morva Ádám

        Eat their food? Make OUR food, HA!

    • Neatospiderplant

      I’m sure its because they think that goes without saying. Women are supposed to be respectful and kind all the time, date or no date!

  • http://www.facebook.com/jfinite Justin Bonaparte

    Went through their application process. On about the 8th page I was asked if I had accepted Jesus, and the next page asked about my parent’s Christian views. Sigh.

  • PJB863

    It looks to me like it’d be easy to be as gay as pink ink at this place as long as you say you accept jesus into your heart.  Or something.

    Is this nuthouse accredited?

  • MariaO

    I assume in the “clothing” rules women must cover their hair with hijabs and be sure to wear bulky clothes that cover the body shape?

    All fanatics are the same – regardless of religion!

    • http://www.facebook.com/AnonymousBoy Larry Meredith

      That’s in 1.6 Dress Code

      women’s clothing may be addressed and the dress code
      amended during the academic year as the need arises.

      Ladies’ Dress Code:

      • Church dress is considered a nice dress or
      coordinate top and skirt appropriate for
      church services (no denim), dress shoes,
      and hosiery. Backless shoes may not be
      worn to class or church services.

      Church dress is required for all church services and
      special meetings.

      • Class dress is considered an appropriate
      dress or coordinate top and skirt (no
      denim), shoes (no sneakers), and hosiery.

      Class dress is required for registration and on all class
      days through lunch.

      • Casual dress is considered an appropriate
      skirt and top, including denim skirts and
      dresses (not faded) and casual shoes (no
      flip-flops). Hosiery is not required.

      Casual dress may not be worn in the college buildings
      until after normal class hours on days when classes are
      in session.

      • Recreational dress includes approved fullfitting,
      knee-length culottes, appropriate
      sport shirts or t-shirts, and sneakers or
      sandals (no flip-flops).

      Recreational dress is not appropriate for the college
      campus. Students must wear class dress (during class
      hours) or casual dress (after class hours) when in the
      college buildings.

      Recreational dress is allowed for some college
      activities, and when students are playing ball at the
      ball fields, volleyball courts, or gymnasium.

      Ladies’ General Appearance

      All ladies’ apparel must be modest in appearance.

      Students are never to have a sloppy appearance, even
      in casual or recreational dress.

      Hairstyles should be neat, orderly, and feminine.
      Cutting-edge fads should be avoided along with cuts
      so short that they have a masculine look.

      Jewelry, make-up, nail polish, and hairstyles may not
      be excessive, gaudy, faddish, or unnatural in color or
      appearance.

      Cloth, shell, or choker necklaces are not to be worn.
      Ankle bracelets, toe rings, and thumb rings are not
      permitted.

      Earrings may be worn only in the lobe of the ear
      (maximum of two matched sets). All other body
      piercing is prohibited.

      Students are not allowed to get tattoos or body piercings.

      Dresses, Skirts, and Recreational Wear

      Hemlines and slits or other openings may never
      come higher than the bottom of the knee (when
      standing or sitting).

      Altered slits must be sewn, not pinned.

      Skirts and dresses must have a hem (no frayed hemlines).

      Denim skirts may be worn when casual dress is
      permitted (not to classes or church services). Faded
      denim is not allowed.

      Skirts and recreational wear may not be worn below
      the waistline. Hip-hugger skirts are not allowed.

      Full-fitting wear for recreational use will be approved
      by the Dean of Women on an individual basis.

      Formal dresses must be individually approved by the
      Administration. Spaghetti-strap dresses may not be worn.

      Dress clothing is to be worn for all church services
      and special meetings. A skirt or dress having a zipper
      in the front is considered too casual to be worn to a
      church service.

      Ladies should always wear conventional hosiery
      and a slip beneath their clothing, except when in
      recreational or casual dress.

      Tops

      Necklines should be no lower than three fingers width
      below the hollow of the neck.

      Sleeves are required (no capped sleeves). Sleeveless
      dresses and tops may be worn with a blouse, jacket, or
      sweater.

      Tops must be long enough that the midriff is never
      exposed.

      Ease of Fit

      Clothing must be loose-fitting, having a minimum of
      three inches of ease at the bust and hips.

      One way to measure the ease of fit is to stand up
      straight and pinch the loose fabric on both sides of the
      hips or at the bust line. Without strething the fabric,
      there should be at least ¾ inch of fold in the fabric on
      both sides.

      Miscellaneous

      Ladies are not permitted to have jeans, slacks,
      gauchos, sweat pants, spandex, or shorts. Students are
      not to have these items of clothing with them while at
      Crown College, nor wear them while traveling to and
      from the college.

      In the dormitories, ladies must be fully dressed or
      wearing a robe when outside their rooms.

      One-piece bathing suits are to be worn at any
      scheduled swimming occasion.

      Full-fitting culottes may be worn for recreational or
      work purposes but should not be worn off campus
      except when allowed for an approved college activity
      or when approved for work.

      Ladies should wear casual dress, not recreational
      dress, when attending ball games as a spectator.

      Garments having the appearance of lingerie may not
      be worn as outer wear.

      No clothing having the appearance of underwear may
      be visible.

      Sheer clothing is only permitted when the garment
      underneath conforms to the dress code.

      Hiking and combat boots or shoes that give this
      appearance are not permitted.

      Flip-flops may not be worn outside the dormitory.

      Sweatshirts may not be worn to classes or church
      services. Nice-looking sweatshirts are considered
      casual dress, and athletic sweatshirts are considered
      recreational dress.

      So yeah. Basically nothing that shows off the shape of the female body or looks masculine. They very strictly define the gender role every woman must fit into.

      • Liz Heywood

        Wow. But I guess if you’re a far-right Christian homeschooler, this place sounds wild.

        • Anonymous

          I was actually thinking some of the Christian homeschoolers I know would fit in just right there.

      • http://www.facebook.com/d3st88 Morva Ádám

        The FUCK?
        Just nuke this place from orbit.

        • Anonymous

          Unfortunately for this case, space-based nuclear weapons are illegal. The SALT treaty even bans fractional orbital bombardment systems

      • MariaO

        I know it! 

        Someone must have a really weird sense of priorities and sexuality to bother to create such detailed dress rules. Maybe some kbt for the leaders of this pplace so they don’t get a hard-one from those sexy bare elbows in church?

        • T-Rex

          or heels. No open back shoes lest you blow your wad looking at those caloused heels. Mmmmmmm, caloused heals.

          • Anonymous

            Well, foot fetish takes up a reasonable large percentage of porn

            • http://twitter.com/NFOlivia Miss Olivia

              Third most common fetish, after boobs and butt.

      • http://www.suburbansweetheart.com/ Suburban Sweetheart

        At least culottes are OK! If you can find any place to purchase culottes outside of 1992.

        • Anonymous

          From their mentality, that’s more than a century in the future

          • http://www.suburbansweetheart.com/ Suburban Sweetheart

            Ha. Ain’t that the truth.

        • Anonymous

          Luckily, this website from 1992 can help with those purchases
          http://www.christianculottes.com/

      • T-Rex

        Can you say CULT?

      • Anonymous

        I had to look up wth culottes were.  If anyone else didn’t know, the answer is hideous knee length skorts: 
        http://www.myculottes.com/culottes.html

        • sceptinurse

          You’re right those are hideous. When they were popular and not homemade they looked more like a skirt that happened to be split. Or sometimes like shorts from the back and a skirt from the front. I never found them very comfortable to wear either way.

      • Anon

        Fuck that shit. Girls can’t even OWN jeans. That’s my entire wardrobe out.

        Also I dread to think how many of their dress code rules I’m violating right now with my low cut strappy tank top, jeans and Doc Martens with purple ribbon laces.  Oh, and a thumb ring.

        • Manticore

          I wouldn’t even be allowed in the gates with my tattoos. lmao

        • Draba30

          seriously.I wear “combat like boots” to work everyday. Along with pants. The thing that gets me is that people pay good money to go to this school. (well, i guess their parents do).

      • Anonymous

        Wait… nowhere in all of that dress code do I see any requirement that women wear underwear.  With all that obsession with the details of women’s clothing, how did they miss that?

        • Anonymous

          You missed it:
          “Ladies should always wear conventional hosiery and a slip beneath their clothing, except when in recreational or casual dress.”

          So going commando is only ok in casual situations

          • Anonymous

            Conventional hosiery could be knee socks, or could be hose with a garter belt, either of which would leave the commando option open.  Yeesh, this is starting to sound pretty creepy, on top of being overwhelmingly authoritarian.  Blecchh.

          • http://www.facebook.com/keithacollyer Keith Collyer

            doesn’t say underpants or a bra, though

      • The Other Weirdo

        But if they mix different types of cloth, THEY’LL ALL BURN IN HHHEEELLL!!!

        Umm. Yeah, sorry about that. Had to get that out.

  • Gunstargreen

    Good to know the old south is still alive and well.

    Oh wait, not it is. This is a travesty of racial and gender bias.

  • Nazani14

    College students ARE  allowed to date juniors in high school?  Ewww….

    I suspect a degree from Crown isn’t worth much.  Still, if you were a gay kid eager to get out of the house, and your parents offered to pick up the tab for this joint, you might do OK. 

    • James Kane

      From a strictly legal standpoint the Age of Consent laws in TN state that the AOC is 18 but there is a “close in age exemption” of 4 years from the ages of 13-18. The average high school junior is 16-17 so unless you are a senior or post grad you are fine. I’m not commenting on any moral implications, just the legal ones.

    • mambocat

      Apparently you are allowed to date high school juniors and seniors IN SCHOOL.  No-homeschooled ones.   

  • patrick orlob

    On first read, I thought it said “no sexual contact…” and I was thinking, “well, what’s the big deal? That’s pretty much to be expected at a Christian college.”

    Then I reread it. Yeesh.

  • http://www.anocial.com Brian Ellis

    I used to wait tables a the Ruby Tuesdays in Powell. “Crownies” would come in Wednesday evenings after church and talk about what good Christians they are even stating, quite audibly, their superiority well past closing time. I would be vacuuming around them that they wouldn’t even notice that I was trying to clean up and go home. They would tell me, not ask, to refill their coke as I would pass them with the vacuum running. If I was lucky, I would avg about 9% off of them. They are very invasive, thinking nothing about asking people around them about their belief structure and arrogantly telling people how their views are wrong. 
    Knoxville is a fairly evangelical area and even here they are seen as religious freaks.

    • Mambocat

      Crikey.  Where’s the burkhas? 

      Decades ago, I bartended and waited tables in a city with several colleges, both the real, academic kind and the Bible kind, as well as many, many conventioneers and tourists.  I once worked VERY briefly at a place near the Bible college. 
      Bible students?  Worst. Tippers. Ever. Anywhere.  Second worst tippers: Parents of Bible students and conventioneers attending Bible school teaching seminars (grade school and high school Bible teachers) and people attending preacher’s conventions and, lastly, speakers at religious motivational seminars.  The thought of that last group gives me nightmares to this day.  Effin’ creepy dudes, those.I’m sure they would defend their stinginess with the Biblical admonition against giving alms in public.  

      Best tippers:  Gay tourists in New Orleans for Mardi Gras and Jazz Fest, scientists, people on sci-fi conventions, and people on non-profit organization conventions.

      • http://www.anocial.com Brian Ellis

        Best tippers…Harley conventions and hot rodders. An honorable mention goes to Jehovah’s Witnesses. At least in my area they are told to distinguish themselves from other Christian groups and actually tip in the 20% range. 

      • Guest

        I’m not sure about other bible college students… But the reason why I tip at such a low percent is because we believe in tithing at least 10% of our earnings… I’m not going to give a waiter or waitress more money than I give to God’s work.

        • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

          Never you mind that the wait-staff needs the money more than your god ever will, no, just keep being a douchebag for Jesus…

        • Hodgemark55

          GOD only ask’s for 10% of what he gave you. Now, what you feel is good in your heart is much different, If I get good service then I’ll tip 30%-75% because it feels good to share in such a manner. Be wise, those people handle your food and don’t easily forget.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=591058715 Thomas Farrell

    > I would be in serious trouble if I hugged a female friend,

    Or shook her hand…

    > gave a woman a ride home even if she desperately needed one

    No, it’s okay for you to do that. It says she’s not allowed to be in the car with you,  it doesn’t say you’re not allowed to be in the car with her. But that’s okay, you have to treat her with respect and kindness at all times, but she doesn’t have to return the courtesy.

    • http://www.facebook.com/d3st88 Morva Ádám

      You can give your dumb wimin as many rides home as you want. Just make sure you stuff them in the trunk.

    • http://tch3.com C High

      What about riding on the luggage rack? When I was a kid, my parents always told me that that was an acceptable place for me to ride if I wanted to misbehave. ;-)

  • http://religiouscomics.net/ Jeff P

    Some enterprising ordained person and a lawyer should team up to do on the spot weddings and wedding annulments/no-fault divorces. Then the students who want to be with or touch a member of the opposite sex could get married, spend a bit of time together, then get divorced all in an evening. ;)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tiffany-Jade-Brown/640358790 Tiffany Jade Brown

    Sheesh. And I thought the Christian university that I attend was bad. We have the no gay rule, of course. No sex outside of marriage. If a girl gets pregnant outside of marriage, she’s pretty much forced to drop out of school, though of course, the guy doesn’t get punished. Not to mention the fact that their internet blocks a lot of sites. Four semesters of chapel is required, etc. It’s much better now that I’m married and live off campus. Even though we were forced to live off campus because they offer no married housing. Anyway, I feel much better now. Still can’t wait to get the hell out of here.

  • http://www.facebook.com/AnonymousBoy Larry Meredith

    this whole handbook is creepy. They define the gender roles so deeply and strictly it might as well be a cult headquarters.

    • The Other Weirdo

      It’s essentially a church. So, by definition, a cult.

    • Ssandiegodave

      So called schools like this one concern me because of the social and psychological effect they have on their victims (students). Sadly, as long as enough people are willing to fund these cults, they will be doing business.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1565330170 Katie Crombie Burgess

    /agree

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=627621188 Abhilash Dwarakanath

    Hemant, thanks for the post. 

    It should be noted that this college is accredited. They’re essentially illegal. And therefore, their rules could be construed as a violation of basic rights.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_College_(Tennessee)#Accreditation

    • James Kane

      Unless I am reading it wrong it says the college is not accredited. They applied but had their application deferred.

    • Anonymous

      Actually, you don’t have to be accredited to be legal. It’s more that their academics are in question. Their standing is not good enough to spend the money.

  • http://cory.albrecht.name/ Cory Albrecht

    How do they reasonably expect to enforce any of this stuff, especially off campus? Even the Mennonite college I went to in the early 90s was not that strict. Dorm floors were segregated by sex, yes, but you could still go visit with you significant other in their/your dorm room, in private.

    • http://twitter.com/0xabad1dea Melissa E

      if they’re anything like Bob Jones, they enforce it via a culture of rewarding tattle tales

  • http://www.diannaeanderson.net/ Dianna

    Damn, I would have been kicked out of that college within a semester, and I was one of the “good girls” at my school. I think I’ve violated every single one of those rules – including interracial dating, if you define dating as they do. My closest friends in college were men, I was frequently off campus and alone with them (on walks and study times at 24 hour restaurants), my friend David’s dorm room was one of my favorite places to sit and read as it was quieter than my own (and we frequently sat there with the door shut! oh noes!), I traveled with these guy friends on camping trips and holidays, and I hugged them frequently. I would have been the local harlot, apparently, which is kind of ironic considering I only had one actual date in college and zero romantic relationships. Huh.

    • Sware

      Me too!  So when they catch people behaving against these rules (or as sane people would refer to as “normal college aged student behavior”) I have to wonder if there is some scarlet letter discipline doled out.

      • Zack Krowchuk

        In all likelihood.

  • http://twitter.com/sockrateaser Ewan Compton

    Re: homosexuality… I’m guessing they realize that no homosexual would attend this university, unless he or she were stuffed thoroughly in the closet.

    • Anonymous

      Or not yet out to even themselves. There are plenty of people who don’t figure out that they are gay until their early 20s

  • http://twitter.com/0xabad1dea Melissa E

    In other words, the ban on interracial dating is still in effect, because they presume getting the consent of all four parents either won’t happen or will be too humiliating for the two kids to attempt.

    Did I say “kids”? I meant young adults who don’t need parental consent to hold hands with another human being.

    Sick.

    • http://www.twitter.com/a_okafor007 Anthony C. Okafor

      I guess that’s why they put that condition in. I know if that was me, I am NOT begging my parents PERMISSION to date someone I love. NO WAY

    • http://www.facebook.com/AnonymousBoy Larry Meredith

      It’s especially creepy that the parental consent needs to be in writing.

    • Ssandiegodave

      This institution is just a freakish cult. Their position on interracial dating frankly leaves me speechless. Since when do legal adults need parental permission? And, demerits? I would encourage my child or friends to avoid this place. One can be an outstanding Christian without being brainwashed by this outfit of nut jobs.

  • Leia

    And I thought BYU was bad. My goodness.

  • Marie

    Great article and site. Thanks for the read! Just some friendly feedback here, the text on your banner for “friendly atheist” is barely legible. It looks like something you might get tattooed during a bender and come to regret the instant you’re sober.

    • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/ Hemant Mehta

      Ambigram. Check it out!

      • Drakk

        So it is. Mind = blown.

        Also neck = hurts, but how else would I have checked?

  • mcarp

    If you haven’t yet, please read, “An Unlikely Disciple: A Sinner’s Semester at America’s Holiest University”
    http://www.amazon.com/Unlikely-Disciple-Semester-University-ebook/dp/B001UMC9ZG/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1325608841&sr=1-1 

    Liberty University’s rules are almost this bad, but what Kevin Roose discovered is that there is a certain amount of dating, making out and sex happening on the sly. 

  • Jesse

    Accreditation
    The Crown College is not accredited by any accrediting agency. In 2011, it made application to the Transnational Association of Christian Colleges and Schools (TRACS). TRACS deferred its application for several reasons, including not having faculty with sufficient credentials. [7] The school is authorized for operation as a postsecondary educational institution by the Tennessee Higher Education Commission.[8]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_College_(Tennessee)

  • Silo Mowbray

    JMFC! We’re back in the 18th century American Colonies!

  • Caitlyn

    -Finally-, an excuse to wear my culottes.

  • http://www.holytape.etsy.com Holytape

    Dormitory ladies may not work at a mall or fast-food
    restaurant.

    Because a crappy minimum wage job at McDonald’s is nothing more than a den of vice.

  • http://nathandst.blogspot.com NathanDST

    By their definition of dating, you can’t even sit with someone of another race. I thought that sort of BS went out a few decades ago??

  • Seniorskeptik

    I find it a bit ironic that the college does not permit demim clothing on girls inasmuch as the college is now located in an old Levi Strauss building.-)

  • Roz

    How is this legal?

    • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ Anonymous

      Honestly, I’m not sure it is legal.

      Hey, we got any lawyers here?

      • Ssandiegodave

        I’m not a lawyer, but as mentioned the legal loophole here is “privately funded Christian school or college”. I went to a very similar school in Knoxville also, JBC, and they are free to do virtually anything they want, all in the name of Jesus, of course.

    • Anonymous

      Religion can get away with basically anything. Even atheists have largely bought into the “As long as something is privately funded, they can do anything they want” ideology. This is just one example of how incredibly dangerous this is. Clothing and dating guidelines are may one of the more harmless consequences. They probably aren’t bound by any rules about what they teach either.

  • The Vicar

    “No physical contact between members of the opposite sex”? Egad, they can’t even get their grammar to be unambiguously correct. As written, that means “no two people who are not of the gender of the writer can touch”. Presumably the author was male, so women aren’t allowed to touch each other here. The proper phrasing would be “no physical contact between members who are of different genders” (or “sexes” if you prefer).

    But seriously, if I drop a pencil and the woman in the chair next to me picks it up to hand it back to me, and brushes my hand by accident, does that mean we’re both to be expelled, or is this just yet another case of “we’ll forbid everything and then use the inevitable violations to kick out the people we don’t like”?

    • The Other Weirdo

      Don’t be so sure it was a man who wrote that. After all, some of the staunchest defenders of the burka are women themselves, for a variety of bizarre reasons.

  • http://www.facebook.com/furches Steve Furches

    Hah!  I live a mile away from this place!  Oh to be a liberal atheist in Tennessee!

    • http://friendlyatheist.com Richard Wade

      Oh you’re the one! I’d heard there was one.  ;)
      Nice to meet you. :)

    • Stephlmanson

      I live very close to it too, graduated from Powell High School in 1990. I’m a liberal agnostic, so I feel your pain, man! We started going to a Unitarian church after we had kids just so we can be around other atheist/agnostic & liberal people in this area & have our kids grow up in a liberal community that’s okay with nonreligious people.

  • Anonymous

    To be fair, they do make gender distinctions for everyone. For example, they say “Men should treat their dates with respect and kindness at all times, observing all rules of courtesy” but they make no requirement for women to do the same.

  • http://cafeofthecosmicdance.blogspot.com/ Paul Sunstone

    One of my friends grew up in a fundamentalist cult.  The cult had a community center and allowed dating only in the sense that a couple could meet in a well-lit room of the center and chat under the supervision of chaperones.  Nice. 

    • Anonymous

      They call that “courtship”. The expectation is too get engaged as quickly as possible

  • http://truth-tables.com James Hotelling

    Regarding the loophole, this is one of the strangest things straight people will never experience about same-sex relationships: the general assumption that such things never happen, and therefore do not need to have their own rules and regulations. In some ways, it makes it easier to sneak off together; nobody would think to stop two young men or two young women headed off into the woods together. Of course, it also reinforces the “less-than” mentality that many people have about non-heteros, and I shudder to think what might happen to any young same-sex couple that was discovered at this institution…

  • Jess

    Sadly, this does not shock me AT ALL. I’m a member of several survivalist/prepper forums and I’ve giggled through more than a few threads that discussed TEOTWAWKI and how there won’t be any electricity or gasoline and everyone will go back to Amish living. The women bemoan the lack of patterns for such cutting edge fashion as ankle length jumpers and turtleneck long sleeve tops to go with them. I suggested a sarong on one thread, as an easy no fuss clothing option and the way they went into orbit, you’d have thought I suggested they all just coat themselves in butter and run naked through the fields. Hilarious.

  • Dan W

    Well, after just reading a few pages of the handbook, I imagine I’d be kicked out of Crown College in days. Just the church attendance requirements alone would get me tons of demerits there. The men’s dress code would get me too, since I wear jeans a lot.

    Why does any college need this many ridiculous rules controlling so much of their students’ lives? It seems that every fundie college handbook I look at has tons of these sorts of rules. And of course, they encourage students to tattle on anyone who breaks the rules. It’s incredibly cult-like.

  • mambocat

    Am I the only one who noticed no rules for pajamas?  Robes are to be worn in the dorm hallways, but what about the PJs?  Is this a loophole for au naturel?

    I am imagining these students having each and every personal item inspected before moving into the dorm.  SCARY.  But why anyone would even want to attend such a school is light years beyond my comprehension.  

  • The Other Weirdo

    Page 30: Students may not go to movie theaters.

    Because, you know, introducing new ideas outside faculty control would be bad. And wrong. It would be badong.

  • Stephlmanson

    I knew a few girls who went to Crown Academy (their high school) when I was young. One lost her virginity in the school broom closet at age 15. Her parents were so positive she was the perfect little christian that they had no idea how wild she was. My dad met her for the first time & didn’t want me hanging around with her because he could tell she was “as wild as a buck.” She & a Seventh Day Adventist girl in my neighborhood were the biggest tramps I knew, but pretended to be the most godly.

  • http://www.freecollegedating.net/ College Dating

    For me, there’s nothing wrong about having dates during the college days. Maybe this depends on how a person sees it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/punkrockcowboy Benjamin Hemingway

    Moses married a black woman in the Bible… it doesn’t get clearer than that on interracial relationships.  Obviously these people don’t know the Bible.  Pathetic.

  • Preachercurtis

    Buddy..
    You are obviously not spiritually mature enough to attend this school. I am quite confident that you’ll quit or be booted out in your first year.

  • Guest

    So….how in the world do you people think that this is really that bad?? How many of you even wonder about how the smallest things determine how people see you in this life?? for example. By not wearing skin tight jeans and clothing, Christians have no problem worrying that people see their clothes as immodest. Also, last time i checked following in the footsteps of Christ and not touching a woman would prevent all teen pregnancy, except those who were married, and allow people to be truly like Christ. Yes these rules may appear to be “bad” to the world, but to those who care about living this life to edify Christ, not fit in with this world, the rules are very doable. Also, these rules are all based upon scripture, not just some random thought of controlling young adults. The most important thing is that this college is a ministry of Temple Baptist Church. Everything done in, through, or involving students, faculty, or financial advisers, is a direct reflection of Christ tot he world, as well as the church. With the convictions of the one and only King James Bible and of our Lord and Savior, these rules are easily applicable to any Christian. 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/AC5L7LW4UHWXGGRQIMNPHRHTPA John

      As sad as this is, this is how most people at Crown (and other IFB schools) think. They think that what makes them a good Christian has something to do with they way they dress. All these silly rules just to make sure some immorality doesn’t take place. And all it really does is encourage it.  

      Most of these cult followers find obscure passages in the bible and pretend that these passages fit their worldview. 

      The first step in leaving a cult is recognizing you are a part of it. If you don’t think you are in a cult, ask yourself this question: How will I be treated if I change my views or leave? If you are a female and start wearing jeans, will you be treated any differently? 

      We both know the answer to this. Which can only mean one thing. Crown=Cult.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/AC5L7LW4UHWXGGRQIMNPHRHTPA John

    I went Crown TN. I have no idea why, but it’s true. And yes, it is as bad as it sounds. They enforce the rules by giving students who tell on other students places of leadership and thus more freedom. So, basically, if you want to become a dorm supervisor, they need to trust you. And one of the ways in which you can earn their trust is by telling on other students. 

    Also, with regard to the demerits, you can work those off. I was getting close to being suspended, so I worked the demerits off by cleaning the cars of the faculty. It’s true. 

    I had my car searched while I was there b/c I told the guys in my dorm there was nothing wrong with “secular” music (which isn’t allowed there). They then searched my car to make sure there was no secular music in my car. I came home from work the next week, and the guys were having a prayer meeting. They were praying for me and my salvation.

    This place is a cult. No other way around it.  Clarence Sexton (president and founder) is a cult leader, even though his cronies are mostly responsible for the rule book and it’s enforcement.

  • Pat Gilliland

    Ok I am very late to the game on this one. I read all the comments and no-one seems to have twigged to:
    “Dating is defined as being with or talking to a member of the opposite sex other than a brief casual encounter.”

    I don’t know how it works down in the ‘States but up here a “brief casual encounter” is usually what you look for on Craig’s list – compensation optional. Play safe Crownies…….

  • FriendlyChristian

    I don’t attend Crown, but I do attend a college like it. I chose to attend because I agree with the rules. When you attend a college with those rules, you are agreeing to keep them and if people don’t care for the rules, they generally leave. The interracial rule is not racism, but the administration protecting students from getting into trouble with their parents. Sadly, interracial dating is still frowned upon by some, but the school understands that parents don’t stop caring about their children when they leave that house. Obviously, homosexuality is banned (that is in my college handbook) because of the stand they take on God’s Word. I am a Christian and I do not live in bondage. I grew up in the world and the first fourteen years of my life were miserable. But since I met Jesus, my whole life has changed and I can never thank Him enough for what He’s done for me! Mock me as much as you want, butI know what I left behind and have no desire to go back.


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