The Bus Monitor Got Bullied by Those Kids Because We Took Prayer Out of Public School

Have you seen that awful video of bus monitor Karen Klein being mercilessly mocked by a group of middle school thugs?

Karen Gushta of Truth in Action Ministries knows why that bullying occurred: Because those kids didn’t have enough Jesus in their lives:

Karen Gushta

[Gushta] believes this cultural demise began when prayer was taken out of public schools.

“Since that time, the character of our children has gone into a downward spiral,” she laments, “and that’s why I view this as just one of many, many examples that could be multiplied all across the country.”

And Gushta has little hope of that turning around without the return of moral training in classrooms.

“Unless we return to the moral standards of God’s Word, of his laws, of the Ten Commandments — unless we return those to our public schools, we’re just going to continue to see more and more of this kind of behavior,” she asserts. “And the prospect of that should truly frighten us all.”

Right. Because back when prayer was mandatory in public schools, nothing bad ever happened ever. And I’m sure the way their parents raised them had nothing to do with it at all.

Incidentally, OneNewsNow polled their readers on this very matter. Their reason for why the kids acted so horribly? “Deterioration of the traditional family.” (WHY DO GAYS AND LESBIANS HATE BUS MONITORS SO MUCH?!)

Putting Christianity back in public school would only give kids like this more justification to bully gay kids, non-Christians, etc. Whatever the cause for their behavior was, religion certainly isn’t the answer to it.

There’s some good news from all of this: The Internet World has pitched in over half a million dollars in an outpouring of support so that Klein can go on a “vacation.” That’s going to be one hell of a vacation for someone who’s worked a relatively low-paying job for a long time. The Internet can be pretty awesome sometimes :)

(via Joe. My. God.)

About Hemant Mehta

Hemant Mehta is the editor of Friendly Atheist, appears on the Atheist Voice channel on YouTube, and co-hosts the uniquely-named Friendly Atheist Podcast. You can read much more about him here.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jadelackey Jade Lackey

    We have become a place where we teach our kids everything is handed to them and the world owns them.  We don’t allow them to experience failure, or negative impacts.  In return most of the kids today are a bunch of  brats.  They feel they deserve respect without giving any.  

    • Kevin_Of_Bangor

      Do you have children? I will be shocked if the answer is yes.

      • http://www.facebook.com/jc.craig1 Jim Craig

        I have kids and tend to agree with Jade. My kids were made to behave. They were allowed to have opinions but also to respect the opinions of others. In crowds, they didn’t act up or jump around; they were taught self control. They had chores and got allowance because it was earned, not granted. They understood the value of work. We allowed them to make mistakes and didn’t make excuses when they failed. They learned from those, grew and moved on. 

        They were raised in a loving and caring environment but they knew that there were rules. More important, they knew there were consequences for breaking those rules.Today, my son stands up for people who are bullied and my daughter is as expressive and creative as any of her peers. They are now well adjusted adults.

        • Justin Miyundees

          This shitty attitude was learned at school.  This is what happens when 800 students are monitored by 40 adults who, let’s face it, don’t care much about how your kids act – they can’t – they’ve got a curriculum to cover as well as their asses.  
          I taught in the public schools for ten years.  My first year at one school one of the coaches had just survived being arrested and sued for breaking up a fight.  So, even if teachers would like to intervene, they best not because some ambulance chaser is ready to pounce.  It’s not the teachers fault, it’s not the parents fault, it’s everyone’s fault.  

          In modern America we cannot seem to do anything that requires a consensus.  Concerted efforts have been painted up as “communist” so we fail at everything.  

          My kids took on a civics project a few years back to get the entire neighborhood to use one trash service.  We had five services each running two trucks and it was dangerous, noisy, damaged the streets, and wasteful.  So, we solicited trash companies for a bid that included a group discount.  About five of the neighbors saw through that – Karl Marx was trying to move in.  So, they turned down the discount and insisted on choosing a trash company OTHER than the one that came in with the lowest bid and best service.  Why?  Because it wasn’t their idea – pride and prejudice.  

          So, how would we EVER teach our kids to be civil?  That would take EVERYONE agreeing on a tactic.  I don’t see it happening so we continue to home school.  [By the way, one of the biggest reasons is to keep our kids away from ridiculous religious notions including the forced prayer of the pledge, but that's another topic.]

          • Kevin_Of_Bangor

            You should come visit some schools in Maine because they are nothing like what you describe.

            • eonL5

              I can corroborate that.

        • Kevin_Of_Bangor

          That is nice and all but I’d love for the person asked the question to respond.

        • sunburned

          Your making the assumption that other parents are doing something wrong.

          My guess is that there are plenty of people in prison that were raised in the ideal home. You can lead a horse to water…..

  • Philbert

    It’s true, if you can’t teach kids they will be eaten by a bear for being jerks to older people, then there is no hope.

  • TheAnalogKid

    Aren’t those kids from “traditional” families?

    • http://twitter.com/silo_mowbray Silo Mowbray

      “Traditional” families from the “Real” America, no doubt.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jesus-Chrystler/1797838676 Jesus Chrystler

    Seems to me this all started in the 50s, when they added God to everything.  XD

    • LutherW

      That was also when the “Greatest” generation was also supposedly hard at work raising us baby boomers who have ever since been know, based on their “great” efforts, as “spoiled whiners”. But I guess it is now our turn to be charged with messing up a couple more generations. You never saw this kind of thing on YouTube in the 50′s.

    • LutherW

      That was also when the “Greatest” generation was also supposedly hard at work raising us baby boomers who have ever since been know, based on their “great” efforts, as “spoiled whiners”. But I guess it is now our turn to be charged with messing up a couple more generations. You never saw this kind of thing on YouTube in the 50′s.

      • Occam

         Man, YouTube SUCKED in the 1950s!   ;-)

        • Coyotenose

           Actually, there wasn’t a single sucky video on it back then. 100% awesome!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jesus-Chrystler/1797838676 Jesus Chrystler

    Seems to me this all started in the 50s, when they added God to everything.  XD

  • Kevin_Of_Bangor

    Hemant those kids were not thugs. They are nothing but wanna be’s trying to act tuff on camera. When you have to pick on an elderly women to get your jollies something is wrong with you in the head and religion wouldn’t fix it.

  • Kevin_Of_Bangor

    Hemant those kids were not thugs. They are nothing but wanna be’s trying to act tuff on camera. When you have to pick on an elderly women to get your jollies something is wrong with you in the head and religion wouldn’t fix it.

  • http://twitter.com/dougphilips Doug Philips

    I went to an all-boys Catholic high school. We prayed every day. We wrote JMJ (jesus, mary and joseph) on our test papers. And the kids in school were merciless to the bus driver that drove the sports teams basically calling him a sheep-fucker, day after day, year after year. We also had one kid basically assault another kid on a daily basis when they got off my bus to rousing screams from the kids still on the bus. Yes, prayer in school is the answer.

    • Kevin_Of_Bangor

      If someone ever called me a sheep fucker to my face I would burst out laughing.

      • Coyotenose

         I’d ask them why they get off on hiding outside my house and staring in my windows.

      • Drew M.

         “Sheep? That’s not a nice thing to call your mother.”

    • Kevin_Of_Bangor

      If someone ever called me a sheep fucker to my face I would burst out laughing.

  • http://twitter.com/dougphilips Doug Philips

    I went to an all-boys Catholic high school. We prayed every day. We wrote JMJ (jesus, mary and joseph) on our test papers. And the kids in school were merciless to the bus driver that drove the sports teams basically calling him a sheep-fucker, day after day, year after year. We also had one kid basically assault another kid on a daily basis when they got off my bus to rousing screams from the kids still on the bus. Yes, prayer in school is the answer.

  • Jim Valentine

    Everybody thinks they know the answer.  Kids are brats, especially at that age in any millenia.

    • http://www.facebook.com/adriana.heguy Adriana Heguy

      I agree with you, Jim, and I also think the lady was not doing her job by not putting a bunch of 7th graders in their place. She is an adult, and she is in charge of monitoring the bus! Many truly powerless people are bullied far worse, and don’t get half a million bucks in compensation. I know I’m going to get in trouble for saying this, but as the mother of two boys (now men), kids that age are all bark and no bite, it’s easy to put them in their place, with a few right words, and simply by being firm.

      • Kevin_Of_Bangor

        If a kid goes far enough to touch her how do you know said kid would not go far enough to physically harm her? The kids did tell her to ‘shut the fuck up” and I know I could use words to your face that would make you cry.

        She is showing a lot of fear and they are feeding off it but I cannot blame her one bit. She is trapped in a seat and outnumbered. Let me take two others and place you in the same situation and see how well you do.

        If you truly think you can out shout me, good luck with that. My voice could drown you out with ease.

        So until you are in her situation don’t act as if it is easy to get out of. 

        • Adriana Heguy

          You say: “I know I could use words to your face that would make you cry” These are a bully’s words, and they are typical of a bully’s “confidence”. I guess it takes one to know one.

          • Paul

            What a pathetically dishonest response. Kevin of Bangor merely argued that words could be found to hurt people, and you turned it into an insinuation that he is a bully. Your previous post was stupid and naive too, with its assumption that “the right words” would magically control any group of children.

    • http://www.facebook.com/adriana.heguy Adriana Heguy

      I agree with you, Jim, and I also think the lady was not doing her job by not putting a bunch of 7th graders in their place. She is an adult, and she is in charge of monitoring the bus! Many truly powerless people are bullied far worse, and don’t get half a million bucks in compensation. I know I’m going to get in trouble for saying this, but as the mother of two boys (now men), kids that age are all bark and no bite, it’s easy to put them in their place, with a few right words, and simply by being firm.

    • Kevin_Of_Bangor

      And how old are your kids?

  • Jim Valentine

    Everybody thinks they know the answer.  Kids are brats, especially at that age in any millenia.

  • Samantha Grover

    They needed a 4th option:  These children are little shits

    Did the driver speak up at all?  Those kids should know better.  I certainly hope their parents are shamed that they raised such malevolent pricks.

    But, stuff like that didn’t happen in a vacuum.  Someone, somewhere (though the other kids on the bus may want to speak up but don’t dare…maybe it’s a ‘better her than me” problem)  gave these wastes of carbon tacit approval of their behavior.

    I only sub, but I truly try to tell kids they’re wrong when they behave horribly.  I even use the word ‘wrong’.  Sometimes I’m pretty sure I won’t sub again when I tell someone something like that.  I usually go to lunch and rat myself out….so when a kid complains the principal/counselor will be able to say ‘yes, she told us’.

    Sam

  • Samantha Grover

    They needed a 4th option:  These children are little shits

    Did the driver speak up at all?  Those kids should know better.  I certainly hope their parents are shamed that they raised such malevolent pricks.

    But, stuff like that didn’t happen in a vacuum.  Someone, somewhere (though the other kids on the bus may want to speak up but don’t dare…maybe it’s a ‘better her than me” problem)  gave these wastes of carbon tacit approval of their behavior.

    I only sub, but I truly try to tell kids they’re wrong when they behave horribly.  I even use the word ‘wrong’.  Sometimes I’m pretty sure I won’t sub again when I tell someone something like that.  I usually go to lunch and rat myself out….so when a kid complains the principal/counselor will be able to say ‘yes, she told us’.

    Sam

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001627228091 Alexander Ryan

    Well, my stepmother goes to church every Sunday, but she’s still a bigoted twit that does idiotic things, especially on Facebook. Giving someone a set of guidelines doesn’t mean they’re going to follow them. Isn’t the old saying “rules are meant to be broken”? Even if those rules are set by an apparent supreme being.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001627228091 Alexander Ryan

    Well, my stepmother goes to church every Sunday, but she’s still a bigoted twit that does idiotic things, especially on Facebook. Giving someone a set of guidelines doesn’t mean they’re going to follow them. Isn’t the old saying “rules are meant to be broken”? Even if those rules are set by an apparent supreme being.

  • Onamission5

    Sorry, oh poll answering folks, but my atheist, raised by single mom eldest son was the target of bullies, not the perp. Guess that smashes your “needs prayer” and “breakdown of family” delusions to shit, eh?

    I’ll concede that there are often too many restrictions on discipline in school settings, but I am also willing to bet that if you asked the poll takers, their primary idea of discipline would be corporal punishment.

  • Onamission5

    Sorry, oh poll answering folks, but my atheist, raised by single mom eldest son was the target of bullies, not the perp. Guess that smashes your “needs prayer” and “breakdown of family” delusions to shit, eh?

    I’ll concede that there are often too many restrictions on discipline in school settings, but I am also willing to bet that if you asked the poll takers, their primary idea of discipline would be corporal punishment.

  • http://www.facebook.com/JesusBaconMoeHamHeadZombieChrist Jesus-Bacon Moehamhead-Zombiec

    No it’s happening because the bus driver didn’t stop the bus turn around and throw the kid’s off the bus by the neck of their shirts. Me personally I would have punched them in the face, but I’m old school.

  • http://www.facebook.com/JesusBaconMoeHamHeadZombieChrist Jesus-Bacon Moehamhead-Zombiec

    No it’s happening because the bus driver didn’t stop the bus turn around and throw the kid’s off the bus by the neck of their shirts. Me personally I would have punched them in the face, but I’m old school.

    • Coyotenose

       Yes, you’re very tough.

  • http://www.summerseale.com/ Summer Seale

    If daily prayer in school will make everything better…

    …then why is it that we have had tens of thousands of cases of rape and abuse in Catholic churches, schools, and orphanages? Not to mention churches of other denominations, as well as ultra-orthodox Jewish communities?

    Just askin’.

    • Corey

      oh….those arent “real” christians, same when any denomination does something wrong, like when Hitler did what he did, people often tell me he wasnt a “real” christian, even though he said about the Jews and other “undesirables” most of the things today conservative christians say about Muslims and Gays

  • Justin Miyundees

    Those Catholic pederasts and their victims were praying morning, noon and night.  

    What an insipid argument.  

    • Eric D Red

      “Those Catholic pederasts were preying morning, noon and night.”

      There, fixed it for you.

      • http://twitter.com/silo_mowbray Silo Mowbray

        I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE.

  • John

    What is missing in these little brats lives is a good ole fashion ass whooping! Not religion! I was hoping she would mace them.

  • Mommiest

    I want to know so many things: what have the parents taught their kids? What is the bus monitor permitted to do? And what idiot wrote that “poll?”

    When we’ve seen kids acting badly (in airports, on the news, whatever), my husband and I have taken advantage of the chance to say, “you will not EVER act that way toward anyone/in public/whatever.” It works for us, we’ve had  kids we could take anywhere for 17 years now. But you have to do that proactively. You can never assume that your kid, who has been an angel up to this point, doesn’t have the capacity to be cruel.

    • Samantha Grover

       I do a version of that with my kids.  I call it ‘if you EVER’.  Generally, I did it after a day of substitute teaching when I’d had an egregiously idiotic or poorly  behaved set of kids.

  • Baby_Raptor

    I was raised in a “traditional” family that forced God down my throat. They told me I was worthless, my only good was that I could reproduce, they didn’t bother getting me medical help when I needed it because I wasn’t a male and therefore was a waste, the list goes on. They finally formally disowned me when I came out of the closet and refused to marry the man they wanted to (literally) sell me to.

    I needed years of therapy after escaping. I’m still sensitive to triggers.

    Yup. Not having a “traditional” family is exactly these kids’ issues. 

    • Fargofan

      That’s awful. But good for you in coming this far (I’ve had years of therapy, too, although my situation was not as extreme).

    • http://gloomcookie613.tumblr.com GloomCookie613

      *Big Hugs*

      Thank you for sharing your story. I’m glad you got out and are doing better. :)

    • http://twitter.com/silo_mowbray Silo Mowbray

      I’m so sorry to read that. You have my admiration for having survived.

      Also, the whole idea of a baby raptor makes me go “Dawwwww!”

  • DG

    Actually it’s a fact that the level of violence and physical harm that occurred in schools as recently as the 1940s was much, much, much lower than that today.  As a former educator, that is not open to dispute.  Now, whether it was the result of removing prayer or not, or possibly the presence of ideals necessary to allow the removal of prayer, remains to be seen.  As for this instance, it’s impossible to know what role religion or lack thereof played in this – if it played anything at all.  But to suggest that somehow schools are no different now than they were then is to suggest that the world is really flat after all.

    • Baby_Raptor

      Wanting to respect other peoples’ rights to freedom of religion is what causes school violence? Really? 

      Please explain this. Because THAT is the “ideal” behind removing forced prayer from school. Nobody has totally removed prayer from schools…You can’t. Hell, there’s even a national holiday for kids to meet up outside their school at the flag pole and pray. This fact is pretty universally ignored, though, because apparently all that matters is forcing everyone to pray. 

      • DG

        See my response above.  The idea that somehow I should have my way, and what others want is irrelevant.  Of course that fell under the idea that just because a majority wants this or that, does not mean a minority should have no say.  That was fair enough.  And more or less, it was a consistent rule in the last 50 years, if not legally, at least in terms of public opinion.  Folks generally had been taught, rather successfully, that the size of a minority opinion shouldn’t matter, it’s the fundamental rights that matter.
        That was, of course, until this year.  Then, suddenly, everything changed.

        • Patterrssonn

          Thanks DG for that weird nonsensicle ramble.

    • CultOfReason

      Actually it’s a fact that the level of violence and physical harm that
      occurred in schools as recently as the 1940s was much, much, much lower
      than that today.

      Opinion noted.  Some citations to studies would be useful that contols for other variables such as corporal punishment, etc…

      Now, whether it was the result of removing prayer or not, or possibly
      the presence of ideals necessary to allow the removal of prayer, remains
      to be seen. 

      Would
      also be interested in knowing the presence of WHICH ideals were
      necessary to allow the removal of prayer, other than a desire to stay
      true to the US Constitution.

      • DG

        It’s easily found with a quick google.  It was a topic of conversation in the schools of education in the 1980s, and was easily seen throughout the 80s and 90s.   Again, the level of violence by students and children being worse than 50 years ago isn’t really debated.  That’s like saying find a citation proving that Washington was the first president.
        The ideal, of course, is that what others want is irrelevant.  There’s me, and then there’s the other 300 million Americans whose opinions or preferences don’t matter.  Works, as long as it’s me who is getting my way.  But when an entire society is weaned to feel that the individual is all that matters, everyone else is a distant second, it can’t help but have a major impact on generation after generation of children.  Especially if those same children don’t feel they’re getting everything they want, and it must be someone else’s fault.

        • http://www.facebook.com/eric.rife.7 Eric Rife

          Did a quick Google search as you suggested and this is what I turned up:
          http://youthviolence.edschool.virginia.edu/violence-in-schools/survey-hoax.html 

          But hey, maybe this is just a bias source . . .

          • http://twitter.com/silo_mowbray Silo Mowbray

             Evidently when DG wrote “isn’t really debated” he meant “isn’t really debated amongst those of us who don’t want to debate it because we need BS like this to support our position. Therefore Jesus in the Real America.”

        • CultOfReason

          1. Googling the topic of school violence does not clear up the issue. There is conflicting information, and an lively, active debate about the topic, contrary to your assertion to the contrary.

          2. Even granting you the point of increasing violence, you are simply drawing a correlation, but fail to show any definitive causation which is what we would really be interested in knowing. You can’t fully solve a problem without knowing the causation.

          3. Your understanding of the Constitution is intriguing. Are you asserting that the founders did not intend to create a secular government?

          4. Who is preventing individuals from praying or worshipping their deity. The restriction is on government, not on it’s citizenry.

    • Coyotenose

       Whereas the level of violence and physical and emotional harm caused BY schools was much, much, much higher than that today.

      The only ideal necessary to allow the removal of prayer in schools is the ideal of the American Constitution. Why do Christians hate the Constitution?

      • DG

        Actually, as a general rule, they don’t hate the Constitution, they hate the rewriting and redefining of the Constitution to something akin to ‘Congress shall establish a secular state advancing the values of liberalism by eliminating the free exercise of religious practices that don’t conform to the aforementioned thereof.’  Or similar rewritings. 

        • http://twitter.com/silo_mowbray Silo Mowbray

          Bullshit. What you and they hate is a Constitution that doesn’t explicitly pander to Christian authority or grant Christians complete, uncontested control of social policies. You’ve felt entitled for so long that now when people are working to level the scales back to “equitable” you re-write it as “persecution of Christians.”

          Which pretty much makes you Religious Social Conservatives whiny privileged assholes.

        • Jim [the other Jim]

           “…eliminating the free exercise of religious practices that don’t conform to the aforementioned thereof…”
          Are you serious or just stupid? Are you not free to go to church/mosque/synagogue? Are you not free to pray at home/in your car/on a bus?

    • Au_catboy

       No, DG, this is not a fact, it is a lie, just like EVERYTHING you post.  Isn’t that imaginary god of yours supposed to have some sort of problem with bearing false witness? 

      • DG

        Bwa hahahahaha!  I love your responses.  Most people don’t disagree with the rise in violence in our schools by children.    But catboy to the rescue!  Thanks for that.  I needed a good laugh.

        • Au_catboy

           Well, DG, since every statement I’ve ever seen you make has been either hopelessly unsupported or a blatant falsehood, only an idiot would believe a single word out of your lying mouth.

          • DG

            Actually catboy, you’ve revealed why it is I have such a hard time on this blog.  I don’t get along well with fundamentalists – of any stripe.  One of the classic traits of fundamentalist mentalities is, of course, a willingness to deny what’s accepted as fact by most.  Try explaining to a 6 day creationist that the universe likely wasn’t created in 6 days.  Just try it some time.  You *think* you have evidence on your side.  But you’ll see that you don’t.  The 6 day creationist will argue, argue, accuse you of lying, twisting facts, dismiss the evidence you give.  They will demand you account for things that at other times they will even admit!

            So we have here, people suggesting I made up this whole violence among kids today in schools is worse than ever.  Now, this very blog has had posts about bullying, how it’s worse than ever, and many have agreed.  That is, of course, part of the trend.  Not that violence never happened before.  Increasing violence began as early as the 40s, during the war.  But it has gotten worse by every account.  It was discussed and studied in the 70s, in the 80s, in the 90s.  Today.  Nobody denies it. Until now. 

            Because I’ve come to see that this is really a fundamentalist blog, atheist style.  It should have been obvious, but compared to some atheist blogs, this seemed the height of open tolerance and respect.  Some atheist blogs are so crass and horrible, they make Fred Phelps seem sane and kind by comparison.  So this blog stood out like a shining star.  At first.

            But as so many would approach me as you have, which is not uncommon behavior, things began to reveal themselves.  As I noticed the subject of so many posts having that whiff of ‘woe is us, poor us, we’re always beautiful, they’re always the bad guys’ (classic fundamentalist perspectives); as some posts seemed to be completely outside of an ability to see the obvious (proud that Jesse Ventura is an atheist?  Thinking P.Z. Myers is brilliant when there are atheists who cringe at what he says?), then you can see that I probably won’t make any headway here.  Just as I never have with fundamentalists of any stripe, since one thing nobody has ever accused me of being is a fundamentalist.  And at my age, I have not the time nor patience to deal with folks who must deny reality and live in a semi-fantasy world of self-imposed limits on what is and isn’t true.

            I think I’ll go to some of the other atheist blogs I’ve been pointed to.  Not all the commenters here are of that sort, of course.  But enough are.  Enough to spin the conversation toward uselss bickering, rather than accepting the obvious truth that religion isn’t the cause of evil, people are.  And the reasons are complex and varied, and then looking for cause and solution accordingly.  Actually engaging, rather than the usual fundamentalist retorts (with extra F-bombs and strange fantasies about people’s sex lives thrown in in this case).   Maybe Leah Librisco’s blog – but she’s actually converting at this point.   Still, she admits that things are actually complex, and is willing to see the world, not the fantasy.  And that makes for a pretty good discussion right there.  So ciao everyone.  I wish all the best, and may your destinies find you at their appointed ends happy, and with a meaningful life to look back upon.  TTFG.  Friendly Atheist is now off the Favorites.

    • Patterrssonn

      The victims of the church run residential school system would probably disagree with you on that one.

      • DG

        Violence by children. 

        • Au_catboy

           So, DG, what you’re saying is that the statistics on violence can only be twisted to support your ideology if you selectively ignore any violence that you find inconvenient for your goal of hijacking public schools to indoctrinate children into your sick death cult. 

        • Patterrssonn

          Whatever, your contentions still bullshit.

    • TiltedHorizon

       “Actually it’s a fact that the level of violence and physical harm that
      occurred in schools as recently as the 1940s was much, much, much lower
      than that today. ”

      As a former Christian I can honestly say faith is meaningless and god is a lie, this is a fact not open to dispute. 

      Eh? What? You think I’m wrong? But I said “As a former….” to qualify my credentials and establish my authority on the subject . How can I be wrong?

      For the record, the National School Safety Center, and several other sources, shows school violence has declined since the 90s. Granted the 90s are not the 40s but I cannot find any official records going back that far. Without an official unbiased source, I have to account for the possibility that you have romanticized the past somewhat.      

  • http://www.laughinginpurgatory.com/ Andrew Hall

    Why do kids grow up to be brats? Because parents tolerate it. Because parents give kids low expectations. Because the dirty little secret about parents is that a lot of them suck at being parents. That’s why.

  • http://twitter.com/silo_mowbray Silo Mowbray

    The reason why those kids behaved like scumbag thugs is because for whatever reason they weren’t taught how to empathize with or respect others.

    Theists generally use “prayer”, “God”, or “church” as a proxy for the above. Non-theists just call it what it is.

  • Shanine

    Not all kids are like that! I know plenty of kids that wouldn’t dream of doing that because it’s wrong, not because they wouldn’t dare or because their to scared to. 
    If this is what they do to her, imagine what they must do to the other kids in their class that don’t behave like they do.
    As for needing more prayer, we need some eye rolling smilies in here lol. Who they hell wrote that poll? How pathetic, questions such as did they learn this behaviour at home or are they allowed to watch things that are to old for them should have been asked. 
    I agree schools need to be able to discipline children more, but I’m not for corporal punishment.
    Teach children how to behave by example and that it’s the right thing to do. teach them how their actions affect other people and that negative words can really hurt a person. Talk about feelings, if they feel sad because they are being picked on at school discuss it. Don’t  tell them to get over it because then they grow up thinking it’s harmless fun. Acknowledge their emotions, don’t ignore them, spend time with them, be there for them.  Invite their friends over to see who they hang out with at school, encorage other friendships if they are kids that think it’s ok to try and stare you out at 5 because you won’t go and get them a pizza from a different shop (they didn’t come again lol). Hope that the good kids aren’t just really clever.
    In the 50s rich kids spoke to poorer adults like that alot, why? because their parents and friends did.

  • http://aboutkitty.blogspot.com/ Cat’s Staff

    The movie Blackboard Jungle came out in 1955 – http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0047885/  Prayer wasn’t taken out of schools until the 1960′s… on the other hand, what happened in the 1950′s…”Under God” put in the pledge and “In God We Trust” was put on the money…just saying.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-Leithiser/593361421 Chris Leithiser

      Officially-sanctioned prayer was ruled unconstitutional fifty years ago this Monday, in fact.

      And as others have noticed, we didn’t have this kind of problem back before they added “under God” to the Pledge of Allegiance, “In God We Trust” to the money, and cut the top tax rates below 90 percent. 

      We’d best get started fixing those three things pronto.

  • http://twitter.com/Buffy2q Buffy

    My wife and I were discussing that story yesterday.  I told her idiots where going to pull the “that’s what happens when we take God out of schools” card.  Of course if it had been a bunch of obviously Christian children bullying a gay person by telling him/her they were hellbound, depraved, sinful scum,  the peanut gallery would be playing a different card–the “religious freedom” card. 

  • Seladora

    I seem to be recalling from “Little House on the Prairie” when schoolboys killed a teacher and the only way the new teacher could stop them was to bring a whip. Prayer was in schools then…

  • AHicks74

    It is not the responsibilty of a public school to teach anything that is religious.  Leave that job to the parents.  I don’t want prayer in my children’s schools.

  • Au_catboy

    So OneNewsNow openly admits that christian faith is too pitifully weak to survive without constant reinforcement at government expense, and christians are too stupid to figure out how to pray without being ordered to by a government official.  

    • http://twitter.com/Buffy2q Buffy

       Indeed.  The Great and Powerful Oz is only Great and Powerful if you invoke his name, and force everyone else to do so, at every opportunity.

  • Kristin

    I HATE when people argue that this stuff didn’t happen “back in the day”. My mother, who went to school during the “Under God” heyday, was mercilessly bullied. One time, she was chosen for a solo during a school performance, and the jealous girls who weren’t chosen stuck straight pins in her costume so that they stuck her when she put her costume on. My GRANDFATHER had his lunch money stolen every day for four years. There have always been, and will continue to be, bullies. Prayer in school has nothing to do with it.

  • Artor

    I went to a Catholic school in my youth. We all got a shit-ton of Jeebus every single day, and honestly, the kids there were monsters. I myself was bullied mercilessly, guns & knives were found in lockers, and I remember hearing one kid on the bus bragging about getting blown by his babysitter. This was an elementary school, BTW. At least the gym teacher got fired after molesting some of the girls.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ekatherineallen Katie Allen

    Unless we return to the moral standards of God’s Word, of his laws, of the Ten Commandments — unless we return those to our public schools, we’re just going to continue to see more and more of this kind of behavior,”

    Well, that’s complete bullshit.  I went to a christian elementary school, and I was bullied daily, told to kill myself, and severely abused by both faculty and students.  We had forced prayer daily, and had to go to church every Friday morning.  Transferring to public school was an immense relief (I was able to get out of Christian school for middle/high school) – but even there the christians carried an elitist mentality with them that made them crueler than most.  I suspect it has to do with that whole “I have a personal relationship with Jesus…but you don’t, so therefore I don’t have to treat you with an ounce of equality or kindness” attitude so prevalent in American’s christain youth.  It took years of therapy to help me get over that, but it still left scars.  Everyday I’m grateful that I was able to escape from that situation.  And my children will NEVER be sent to a christian school – there’s no way I’m going to set them up for the kind of mental and emotional agony that I endured.

    A bientot,
              Katie A.

  • Alex

    To be fair, “traditional family values” are not about gays and sex. When I was growing up as a kid, I was taught to value honesty, respect, and kindness. Then again, I grew up in a godless heathen family that became half-Mormon after the divorce, so what do I know…

  • Waltz707

    Um, Question:

    Isn’t the Bus Monitor’s job to keep children from behaving like this? It seems that she isn’t doing her job……

  • DS

    Christians are the biggest bullies on the planet and have been for a couple thousand years now. I’m willing to bet that these bullies are the product of Christian homes with conservative “family values”.

    Nope, prayer in schools has nothing to do with it. Japan, Sweden, The Netherlands and a slew of other secular nations have no prayer in schools and their children are the brightest and most well behaved on the planet. Besides, if we were to require prayer in schools, why must it default to Christian prayers? Perhaps prayers to Vishnu, Buddha or Gaia will make it all better.

  • DS

    (Seems my first comment didn’t show up or disappeared for some odd reason. Anyway here’s a better one):

    Christians are probably the biggest bullies on the planet and have been for a couple thousand years now. I’m willing to bet that the kids who bullied Karen Klein are the products of Christian homes with traditional conservative “family values”. 

    Funny that Japan, Sweden, The Netherlands and a slew of other secular nations have no prayer in schools and their children are the brightest and most well behaved on the planet. 

    Besides, if we WERE to require prayer in schools (and throw out the 1st amendment and that wall of separation), why must it default to Christian prayers? Perhaps prayers to Vishnu, Buddha or Gaia will make it all better? 

    Despite what some revisionists believe, this country was never founded on “Christian principles” or even Biblical ones. It was founded by people who FLED IN TERROR FROM such countries. There is nothing in Christianity or The Bible which is in any way conducive to freedom of speech, freedom of religion or any of the other freedoms we enjoy in this country and the modern Western World. The fact is, pretty much ALL our victories in freedom, equality and civil rights have been won IN CONFLICT with Christian values and principles (e.g. ending slavery/emancipation, women’s suffrage, desegregation and the LGBT/same sex marriage civil rights fights up to today).


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