Religious Groups Still Plan to Fight ObamaCare

The Supreme Court’s decision this morning declaring the Affordable Care Act constitutional, was the right one.

One of the bright spots of the decision is that women will now be able to have access to birth control without needing a co-pay.

It’s bad for Christian groups who want to take away that access from women, like Liberty Counsel, a group that doesn’t understand that the ACA doesn’t fund abortions…:

ObamaCare is the largest funding of abortion in history. It will bankrupt America. It will destroy our healthcare system. The law must now be repealed. Elections have consequences. ObamaCare is the result of squandered votes cast in 2008. This November, we need to elect principled people who will repeal ObamaCare.

But religious groups aren’t done fighting against your rights to health care just yet.

“The Becket Fund’s religious liberty lawsuits against the unconstitutional HHS mandate will continue,” Hannah Smith, senior counsel at the Becket Fund, said in a statement after the ruling this morning. “Never in history has there been a mandate forcing individuals to violate their deeply held religious beliefs or pay a severe fine, a fine which could force many homeless shelters, charities, and religious institutions to shut their doors.”

No churches or church groups will be forced to do anything they don’t want to do. This is a complete lack of understanding of what’s going on.

The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops is one of the groups that wants to make sure their religious beliefs trump others’ personal freedoms:

Second, the Act fails to include necessary language to provide essential conscience protection, both within and beyond the abortion context. We have provided extensive analyses of ACA’s defects with respect to both abortion and conscience. The lack of statutory conscience protections applicable to ACA’s new mandates has been illustrated in dramatic fashion by HHS’s “preventive services” mandate, which forces religious and other employers to cover sterilization and contraception, including abortifacient drugs.

Of course, the ACA isn’t going to force churches or explicitly religious groups to comply with this law. They’re exempt, as they have always been. But if you’re a Catholic employer running a public company (say, a university or a hospital), you can’t force your religious beliefs on your employees. You have to provide them with health coverage that includes contraception. If you don’t like it, don’t use it yourself. But you have no right to deny everyone else that same choice.

We already know most Catholics sitting in the pews don’t take the Church leaders seriously when it comes to issues of sex. Neither should the rest of us. Catholic leaders pretend to care about “religious freedom,” but they’ve always had the freedom to do whatever they wanted with their own bodies. What they’re really afraid of is losing power to dictate what we should do with ours.

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6OE7LEYELE4MZTVXGZUSVTBFUI julie

    It always amazes me that no matter how many times you tell these people that it doesn’t fund abortions, they still make that claim. It doesn’t matter whether or not it’s true. It just *feels* true, so they say it.
    I also love how it violates a Catholic’s religious beliefs if someone else doesn’t want kids.

    • Baby_Raptor

      It needs to be said, otherwise how else will they keep the sheep they have following them duped? If you tell them the truth, they might realize that the law isn’t actually bad. Can’t have that happening!

    • http://chaoskeptic.blogspot.com Rev. Ouabache

      The thing is that they believe any form of chemical birth control is an abortion. They don’t even try to understand the biology behind it. (They are Creationists so you shouldn’t really expect them to understand it.)

      • Stev84

        Catholics don’t believe in Creationism, since they don’t take the Bible literally. The church officially supports some kind of guided evolution

        • http://chaoskeptic.blogspot.com Rev. Ouabache

           I was referring to Liberty Counsel, not the Conference of Catholic Bishops. Sorry if I didn’t make that clear.

    • Stev84

      Lying is a pathology for them. It’s why they have their job in the first place. Few others reward that kind of behavior.

    • Jeff Xenobuilder

       Just like no matter how man times their baseless anti-evolution claims are shown to be wrong, and fully explained, they just keep repeating them over and over. But I have a solution I think…  lets add a clause to the ACA that allows medical doctors to ask if patients believe in evolution or creationism.  For those that believe creationism, the cure for every illness is either blood lettings or leaches, and maybe a little herbal tea.  In a few years, certainly no more than one generation, creationism problem will be solved.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6OE7LEYELE4MZTVXGZUSVTBFUI julie

        I think this is even stupider. Science is a bit more complex. You could explain something to a person and have to repeat yourself a few times before they understand. It also requires that they understand basic scientific concepts, which not all of them do, so you might have to backtrack.
        This is ridiculous. They say it funds abortions. It doesn’t, plain and simple. They keep saying it funds abortions. Repeat.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jesus-Chrystler/1797838676 Jesus Chrystler

    So pretty much they are going to take this to the… Wait, hmmm,  The Supreme Court, oh wait they already ruled it was constitutional…..  

    Maybe God or Jesus can come down and testify.

  • http://www.facebook.com/keithacollyer Keith Collyer

    “No churches or church groups will be forced to do anything they don’t
    want to do. This is a complete lack of understanding of what’s going
    on.” Really? You honestly think they don’t understand? Looks more like old-fashioned scare tactics to me

  • Baby_Raptor

    Necessary language, my ass. Nobody should be allowed to deprive someone else of care they need because of a personal belief. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/keithacollyer Keith Collyer

    Isn’t there also something deeply ironic in a group with “Liberty” in the name being so keen on restricting it?

  • CelticWhisper

    Oh, but of course birth control is still too much for them to handle.  I mean, if people are able to determine for themselves how many (if any) kids they have, how will the church be able to leverage their economic hardship in order to coerce them into strings-attached charity efforts?

  • http://www.facebook.com/keithacollyer Keith Collyer

    to the catholic (hint, that name means “universal”) bishops and others,
    it isn’t violating your religious freedom, it is removing your ability
    to violate the religious freedom of others
     

    • jOHN rYDER

      negative ghost rider, its infringing on THEIR religous freedom dont like being a Catholic then choose another religion no one is stopping you we still have some freedoms left and guess what that is one of them

  • antdrew

    Very Nice post!

  • mikespeir

    We don’t need no steenkin’ Obamacare.  What we need is Jeezus, the Great Physician!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XKEAP7EXF6VEPBK23OYML742TM Bob Dennis

    The ACA just states that you should have health insurance.  That crap about ‘essential conscience protection’ has already been covered. If you oblect to free stuff, refuse it. I wish all pharmacists would ask: “Are you catholic?” And then if yes refuse to dispense birth control or sell condoms.

    • Alex

       To be fair, I think Catholics should have the same access to birth control as the rest of us. Just because their shitty clergy tells them they can’t have it, doesn’t make it right.

  • ortcutt

    Just to be clear to people wondering whether these challenges imperil the statute.  There are two things, the ACA, the statute that Congress passed, and the HHS regulations, implemented under the authorization of the ACA. 

    These groups might successfully challenge the HHS regulations implementing the preventative care requirements as violative of Federal RFRA, but the Court would need to step outside of all bounds of prior practice in order to declare the statute itself unconstitutional. 

  • Miko

    You may have posted the wrong link about why the Supreme Court decision was the “right one.”  The cited page gives one person’s opinions of why they like certain features of the bill, but doesn’t discuss really discuss questions of constitutional law (except for one brief bit, which is worse than nothing since it’s factually wrong according to the Supreme Court decision).

    • http://twitter.com/KevinSagui Kevin Sagui

      Basically, I think it boils down to the fact that the federal government has already established the right to tax behavior or non-behavior that’s deemed socially undesirable.  Not married?  Pay higher taxes.  Don’t have kids?  Pay higher taxes.  Don’t have health insurance?  Pay higher taxes.   I’m actually stunned that Kennedy didn’t basically take the same tact there that Roberts did.

  • Adam Cox80

    The Supreme Courts ruling did not help healthcare in this country, it only put a very bad band aid on it. If healthcare is to be fixed insurance companies and drug companies need to be kept in check. They both have been screwing over America for some time.

  • Spherical Basterd

    “Second, the Act fails to include necessary language to provide essential conscience protection, both within and beyond the abortion context.”

    As if this accretion of fart-knockers and ass-finsters ever had a conscience.

    • http://twitter.com/Buffy2q Buffy

       They wouldn’t know what a conscience was if it slapped them upside the head. 

  • SJH

    I must be missing something because this issue as as obvious as they get. If I think something is wrong, I do not want to pay for someone else to have access to it. By doing so it would violate my moral beliefs and forcing me to do it violates my first amendment rights. If I owned a company and did not want to provide insurance that pays for birth control, I should not have to. If I were an insurance provider and did not want to cover insurance then I should not have to.

    Also, constitutionality aside, why do we have a right to artificial birth control? Isn’t it a luxury? It is not a necessity. If you can’t afford it then don’t have sex. Regardless of my religious beliefs, I do not want to pay for anyone’s birth control just so that they can have sex. Further,  I do not want my insurance premiums to go up because someone wants birth control at no cost to them.

    • Alex

       Rush Limbaugh, is that you?

    • http://twitter.com/Buffy2q Buffy

      “If I think something is wrong, I do not want to pay for someone else to have access to it. ”

      So  churches are going to start paying their taxes then?  After all, I’m pretty tired of subsidizing them with my tax money when I think they’re wrong.  Or if I’m an employer can I just say “I think the world is overpopulated so I’m not going to cover any pregnancy or childbirth related costs on the healthcare plan.  And don’t even expect me to cover your boner pills.  If you can’t get it up consider it your god’s way of saying your sex life is over.”

      “Also, constitutionality aside, why do we have a right to artificial
      birth control? Isn’t it a luxury? It is not a necessity. If you can’t
      afford it then don’t have sex. ”

      You’re suggesting that family planning is a luxury?  You’re suggesting that couples only have sex when they want to have a child?   Even married couples would then have sex perhaps two or  three times during the duration of their marriage.  How long would those marriages last?

      You’re also ignoring all of the women (more than 50%) of them who use hormonal contraceptives for reasons other than birth control.   You and the other religious zealots would gladly deny them their medication.

      Nobody should have the right to arbitrarily deny health care to others.   If you don’t approve of something, then don’t use it.  You don’t have the right to use your power as an employer or anything else to put barriers in place to keep others from having access to it.   

      • SJH

         Regarding tax exempt churches:
        You don’t subsidize anything. That money does not belong to you or the government. It belongs to them. Just because the government does not collect it does not mean you are subsidizing them.

        Regarding overpopulation:
        Having an opinion about the population of the earth does not constitute a moral belief. If you were a pantheist and believed hat our overpopulation hurts your god (earth) then you should have the right to exempt yourself from covering pregnancy and childbirth. Further, if the government was requiring that insurance cover childbirth then I would disagree with that as well. The government should not be able to coerce us into buying what it wants us to buy.

        Regarding the pill as a luxury:
        Yes, artificial family planning is a luxury. You can either abstain or use Natural Family Planning which is a far more effective form of family planning.

        Regarding women who use the pill for non-birth control purposes, this is a different case. Few people are against this. Some who are against it may be because of the harm caused to your body when using birth control. Also, I do not believe your statistic of >50%. I will need evidence for that.

        Regarding birth control as health care:
        It is not health care. Health care implies treatment of an illness. Birth control does not treat an illness it prevents normal bodily functions and even causes illness (it is a carcinogen).

        And yes, ED pills should not be included as health care and I do not want to pay for those either.

        • http://twitter.com/Buffy2q Buffy

          “You don’t subsidize anything. That money does not belong to you or the
          government. It belongs to them. Just because the government does not
          collect it does not mean you are subsidizing them.”

          Bull.  Churches cost us 71 billion a year in uncollected taxes.  They make use of police, firefighters and other public services.  Those things aren’t free, which means the rest of us foot the bill. 

          “Having an opinion about the population of the earth does not constitute a
          moral belief. If you were a pantheist and believed hat our
          overpopulation hurts your god (earth) then you should have the right to
          exempt yourself from covering pregnancy and childbirth.”

          So a person has to believe in a god and use “religion” to have a moral belief?  What bull. 

          “You can either abstain or use Natural Family Planning which is a far more effective form of family planning.”

          You know what they call people who use “Natural Family Planning”?  Parents.

          “Regarding women who use the pill for non-birth control purposes, this is
          a different case. Few people are against this. Some who are against it
          may be because of the harm caused to your body when using birth control”

          Funny how we never see people on their soapbox about the millions of detrimental, even deadly side effects posed by other medications out there.  It’s only when it comes to birth control that religious zealots start pretending they’re doing it because they care about women.  Sorry, we’re not fooled. 

          Gutmacher Institute:  Only 48% of women use hormonal contraceptives strictly for birth control.  http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/Beyond-Birth-Control.pdf

           
          “Regarding birth control as health care:
          It is not health care. ”

          Birth control prevents the medical condition known as pregnancy.  Pregnancy can have myriad deleterious health effects on a woman up to and including death.  Furthermore some women have pre-existing health conditions that make any pregnancy extremely risky, if not life-threatening.  You have no right to use your religious beliefs to deny them medications that would protect their lives. 

        • Deven Kale

           Regarding tax exempt churches:
          We do subsidize them. By not taxing the income of the churches, the government has to make up for that loss in revenue ($71,000,000,000 if I remember correctly) by increasing taxes on all other groups. Governments take more of everyone elses money because churches pay nothing.

          Regarding overpopulation:
          If you were a pantheist and believed overpopulation hurts our earth, that still doesn’t mean you can attempt to coerce your employees into not reproducing by only offering insurance coverage which doesn’t cover pregnancy and childbirth. It’s your belief, not theirs. As an employer, you must allow them to make their own life choices. The same is true for birth control.

          Regarding contraception:
          “[NFP] is a far more effective form of family planning.” You’re going to have a very tough time proving that the “rhythm method” is more effective than an IUD. I myself can state anecdotally that pregnancy can occur with a single accident the day after menstruation, a full 1-2 weeks before ovulation.

          Many women use hormonal contraception to lessen acne, reduce menstrual cramps, and other minor issues as well as contraception. This is where the >50% figure comes from. Contraception is still their primary purpose, but there are non-contraceptive benefits as well.

          Birth control is preventative health care. It prevents a condition called pregnancy, which can be extremely dangerous, even deadly. If you really want to know what pregnancy can do to a womans body, you need only look it up. There are far too many negative effects to list here, far far more than those of even hormonal contraception. This is why we have the option of taking birth control, to allow women to control the risk of getting pregnant beyond your ridiculous NFP system. (before you state that everybody can control their sexuality because even you somehow managed it, I’d like to point out that you can only speak for yourself on this. Not everybody has the exact same hormone levels as you do, and therefore your own experience does not extend to everyone else.)

          And finally, your personal beliefs work for you. That’s a good thing. Ideally, they also work for your family, which is good because it helps family unity. But your beliefs are your beliefs, and in no way should you be attempting to force anybody else to follow them. If you want to live in a country where everybody is forced to follow somebody elses beliefs, then I recommend you move to a Communist or Theocratic country China and Saudi Arabia.

          • jOHN rYDER

            then they can just stop giving to charities since its being forced, hey i would rather give to whom i think actually needs it then give it to the government because medicaid and medicare and SS have done so well and havent cost us that much RIGHT

            • Deven Kale

               A better example of an internet troll, I’ve rarely seen.

        • Patterrssonn

          NFP far more effective-hilarious.

          Health care does implies a lot more than just the treatment of an illness, it also means the maintenance of health, not that an unwanted pregnancy can’t be defined as an illness from the perspective of the person who is pregnant.

          As far as churches not being subsidized. Are they non-state entities? Do they derive no benefits from the state? No police protection? No sewage or water services? Their members dont use roads to drive to church? Their garbage doesn’t go to the local dump? And if they do use these services who pays for it?

        • http://twitter.com/FelyxLeiter Felyx Leiter

          When the institutions these Catholic organizations are running significantly depend on our tax dollars, they sure as hell don’t have the right to discriminate against their employees on the basis of their unprovable  beliefs.

          And pregnancy can cause a whole host of disorders, permanent changes to bodily function, and occasionally death.  A woman’s health and body change drastically during pregnancy.  Of COURSE birth control is health care.  Women used to literally birth themselves to death.  Maybe when the average life expectancy was 30 it didn’t seem so drastic, but being constantly pregnant isn’t healthy.  That’s like saying overeating can’t ever be a problem because eating is a basic natural function.

        • J_Enigma32

          “Having an opinion about the population of the earth does not constitute a
          moral belief. If you were a pantheist and believed hat our
          overpopulation hurts your god (earth) then you should have the right to
          exempt yourself from covering pregnancy and childbirth. Further, if the
          government was requiring that insurance cover childbirth then I would
          disagree with that as well. The government should not be able to coerce
          us into buying what it wants us to buy.”

          So, as a new ager who believes that drinking bleach and blood letting is preferable to modern medicine, and who believes the bunk “evidence” that vaccinations lead to autism, I can deny you and your children, and other people’s children, vaccinations. Gotcha.

          The government isn’t coercing anyone into buying anything. If you don’t want it, you don’t have to buy it. You just pay a higher amount on your income tax return at the end of the year. Which is fine for you, because you didn’t want that government handout anyway, did you?

          And if you’re complaining about that, I’m tired of the government forcing me to get married. Married people shouldn’t get tax breaks. And neither should people with children. Or people with other dependents – they’re forcing me to have children and get dependents to take advantage of these tax breaks, and damn it, I’m sick of it!

        • http://twitter.com/enuma enuma

           NFP is more effective?  That sounds like a testable claim.  So let’s look at the failure rates for various birth control methods.  Given the nature of the discussion, I’m only going to look at female-specific birth control, not barrier methods.

          Implanon
          Perfect Use: 0.05%
          Typical Use: 0.05%

          Mirena IUD
          Perfect Use: 0.2%
          Typical Use: 0.2%

          Depo-Provera
          Perfect Use: 0.3%
          Typical Use: 3%

          Mixed-Hormone Pill
          Perfect Use: 0.3%
          Typical Use: 8%

          Nuvaring
          Perfect Use: 0.3%
          Typical Use: 8%

          NFP (LAM*)
          Perfect Use: 0.5%
          Typical Use: 2%

          NFP (Symptom-based)
          Perfect Use: 3%
          Typical Use: 25%

          NFP (Calendar-based)
          Perfect Use: 9%
          Typical Use: 25%

          *LAM can only be used by women who have given birth in the past six months, are breastfeeding every 4-6 hours (pumping and supplementing with formula both reduce LAM’s effectiveness), and have not yet resumed menstruation

          So the numbers are in, and your claim is for all intents and purposes false.  I’ll grant that there is one form of NFP that could potentially be more be more effective than several common forms of “artificial” birth control.  It also happens to be the least accessible method, useful for only a short window of time and only for a small portion of the population, and requires that women have a baby in order to avoid getting pregnant.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6OE7LEYELE4MZTVXGZUSVTBFUI julie

            My mom used the LAM method. I am number six out of ten children. So yeah…
            It worked to keep the children spaced out. We’re all born about two years apart. But unless the woman is one of those parents that breast feeds a ten-year-old child, it’s a very temporary form of birth control.

            • http://twitter.com/enuma enuma

              Seriously suggesting LAM for birth control is just a few degrees off from telling women that the best way to avoid becoming pregnant is to already be pregnant.

          • SJH

             Thanks for the information, this is interesting. Where did you get this information? I would like to compare that to other sources.

            • http://twitter.com/enuma enuma

               WebMD, Contraceptive Technology: Nineteenth Revised Edition and Planned Parenthood all had the same numbers.  This is pretty standard information.

              • SJH

                 Thanks, I will look into it more closely. I have to say though, I don’t know if I can trust at least two of your sources. The third may be questionable also but I will try and keep an open mind.

              • SJH

                 I looked at a couple of websites;

                http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/02/070221065200.htm

                http://archive.irh.org/nfp.htm

                Both have useful information worth reviewing.

                The second seems to be somewhat consistent with the numbers you stated however the other seems to point to a study which seems to argue the effectiveness of NFP.

                All this is interesting however it doesn’t really answer the question of whether or not I should have to pay for someone’s birth control. I don’t even think I should have to pay for someone’s choice to use NFP for that matter. The fact is, I am having to pay so that someone can have sex more freely.

        • phantomreader42

           Your idiocy has already been thoroughly torn to bloody shreds.  But no one’s mentioned the fact that, according to your moronic logic, vaccines aren’t healthcare, because they don’t treat an illness, they PREVENT illnesses.  Your definition of healthcare also excludes mammograms and other cancer screenings, which don’t treat illnesses either, only identify them, hopefully early enough to be useful.  Which is easier and cheaper for all concerned.  Much like birth control.  But of course, you’d rather billions be thrown in a hole and set on fire while children die in agony of easily-preventable diseases, and their parents rot alive without even knowing they’re dying until it’s too late, all because the voices in your head tell you so.  What s vile piece of shit you are!

      • jOHN rYDER

        they give more in charity then you and your ever will

        • Thorny264

          and they take far more than they ever give also most forms of their “charity” come with a fresh bible to stuff down people’s throat.

    • http://www.facebook.com/keithacollyer Keith Collyer

       Do you drive on roads? Do you have children who get educated? Would you call on the police or fire service in an emergency? If you don’t do any of these things, then your isolationist stance makes sense. If you do, then it does not. You could argue that having any of these things is wrong, therefore you should not pay for them.
      Oh, and birth control measures are not just aimed at birth control

    • Baby_Raptor

      It’s called being an adult. You don’t always get your way. You have every right to not believe in something, but you have no right to force others to live by your belief. 

      And, no. Birth control is NOT a luxury. Nor should anyone have to do without simply because a bunch of sexually repressed assholes like you think that we should. 

      Also, are you out there protesting Viagra being covered? And the fact that Medicare covers penile implants? Or is it only wrong now because it’s women who want to have equal coverage?

    • jOHN rYDER

      nice one brother, now some one be forced to by my soda and my shoes and my coffee and my internet and my cable service lets force all the ones that have lets just take it from who cares if they have worked hard i should have it just because i was born give me give me give me, well guess what come and try to take, i get paid in cash so screw all you freeloader burden filled bottom feedrs get a damn job and quit buying shite you cant afford in the first place and buy your own damn shite

  • Raising_Rlyeh

    “ObamaCare is the result of squandered votes cast in 2008.”

    Yeah, I don’t think the majority of people who voted for Obama consider it a squandered vote.

    • jOHN rYDER

      ask the middle class that in five years and them get back to me

  • Tinker

    I keep hearing about how we are now going to have FREE universal health care. Our definition of free has really been corrupted. All I can say is be careful what you wish for.

  • Sindigo

    As a Briton, I am somewhat removed from this debate. We have been enjoying free, universal healthcare (including free contraception for all who want it) for some time. Congrats to you all in the US on making an important step in the right direction. 

    This part stuck out to me though: “Never in history has there been a mandate forcing individuals to violate their deeply held religious beliefs or pay a severe fine”

    What a lack of perspective. Plenty of places have universal healthcare, paid for by taxes. No one cares about the government providing contraception here.

    • jOHN rYDER

      i would want to be stuck in brtian and have to have a major operation, thats right brits that can afford it come here for that because we are not half @$$ed and socialized

      • Thorny264

        What a coherent and logical argument you got their john, clearly you have beat us all.

      • Sindigo

        I have never, ever heard of anyone going to the US for medical treatment. Why would we? We not only an excellent, free-for-all medical system but there is private health care for those that want it.  In fact my wife flew home from the States with a broken ankle rather than having it treated in the the US. Not because of the cost, which was significant but because of the wait in hospital to have it seen to properly.*

        The only reason I could think of having any sort of medical procedure done in the US is if you, for some reason wanted the plastic surgeon as Kim Kardashion.

        I mean, why would we go to a country for medical treatment that currently languishes in 38th place for life expectency and is the only modern, western nation that doesn’t provide universal healthcare?

        *Side note. never fly with a broken ankle. That thing will swell like a balloon. Luckily BA provides free anaesthetic in little plastic cups. ;)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RPPWVLMFKJ7QCHLEVQAR5GSL5M momma J

    Question for you smart people ( I confess my ignorance on this topic). The question is about unintended consequences and the health care reform bill. 

    In the past ER’s have had a policy of not turning away anybody. But, let’s think for a second about illegal immigrants. There has been a certain segment of the population that is in the US illegally. For their “health care” they would wait and hope they got better. If not, they would go to the ER and get medical care there. 

    I’m guessing that illegal immigrants still will not have health insurance. They can’t be punished because many do not file tax claims. So will they be denied at the ER now since they do not have health insurance or will they still be provided for? Will they be provided for and then turned in to immigration? I don’t know how this is going to work out, but it’s something to think about. If they are going to be hosed now, from a humanitarian standpoint, how is this a good thing? 

    • phantomreader42

       You don’t get to feign concern for illegal immigrants when it’s politically convenient for you to use them as a weapon, not after all the years your cult has spent demonizing them for profit. 

      You obviously don’t really give a flying fuck, you’re just desperately hunting for any excuse you can manufacture to say “GOTCHA!” even if doing so only makes you look like more of a moron.  But exactly what, aside from the testimony of the voices in your head, makes you think that hospitals would be allowed to turn away sick people because of this?  I think you’re just making it up, lying through your teeth like all religious assholes must.  Isn’t that imaginary god of yours supposed to have some sort of problem with bearing false witness?

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/FDGYHBEWVNGUG763L5X4TON3JQ Nazani14

    What i want to know is – where were all these “oh noes, the Government is forcing me to do something” types when kids just out of high school were forced to risk their lives in Viet Nam?

  • Kaydenpat

    As I am reading this post, it strikes me that all of the religious objections are based on outright lies and are not based on what is actually in the Affordable Care Act.  Seems like Rightwing religious groups are disseminating lies to cause widespread fear among their adherents.  To what end?  Now that the Supreme Court has ruled, the ACA is the law of the land.  There’s no further appeal. 

    The President and Democrats have to get out there and let people know the benefits they’ll get from the ACA and also push back against all these lies.

    • Deven Kale

       As far as I’ve been able to tell, this is the modus operandi of the majority of the Republican party since before Obama even became president. It’s a trend that I’ve seen for at least ten years now, but for some reason it’s just exploded during the Obama administration.

      In all fairness, I will admit the Democrats do the same thing though. I don’t see them doing it to anything near the same degree as the Republicans, but I will admit to a possible confirmation bias going on there.

  • David

    Catholics will simply stop employing non catholics which will then give them the exemption. They can discriminate employment based on religion. I think they will get around it anyway so it’s not worth discussing either way

  • Lucy

     How is it fair to tax people for not having healthcare if their reason for not having healthcare is that they can’t afford it?

    • Deven Kale

       Here ya go. Watch this here video, and it will give you a better idea of how it will really work, without all the fear-mongering. He talks about some other things than just Obamacare, so start at 2:00 if the link doesn’t automatically put ya there, and then listen until around 6:40. Bit of swearing, but still a good explanation overall.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=RW5dvk_jE9w#t=121s

  • jOHN rYDER

    not once not even once did i hear a college girl or young lady go that damn birth control its breaking my bank, its so damn cheap for birth control you people are idiots, now wheres my free stuff like hats and shoes and tv’s and cars and housing and all the crap i dont need but say i cant live without, freeloaders get a life get a job and quit being a burden on the real people that keep this country afloat being paid in cash kicks ass, i give it to who really needs it the people that are hurting and here it comes DUE TO NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN, like those apples !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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