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I want to be able to visit this imaginary America that has “taken god out”. It sounds lovely.
Visit? I want to live there! 😉
It’s called “Scandinavia”, isn’t it?
Can’t be – the Scandinavian countries have national health plans.
ahahahaha me too! The pig looks like Brian.
I saw on CNN yesterday an interview with one of the guys who got shot but survived, he was saying he knew there must be a higher power because he didn’t die. While I hate to attack a person who has just been through something so horrific, it just seems to diminish the lives the people who did die by saying something like that. “God” decided this guy was worthy enough to live, but the 6 year old girl wasn’t? Why can’t he give credit to the quick response of the police and ambulance personnel that got him to the hospital quickly? Or the doctors who worked hard to save his life? Why is it always “god” who spares people? Sorry, it just drives me nuts.
It’s why I always have to laugh when Christians accuse atheist to be selfish. Christians believe that the creator of the universe cares about you, listens to you and sometimes even has a special plan just for you. You can’t really get any more selfish
It often has the opposite effect, which is to put very high value on individual human lives since God views each individual as special. The results are sometimes profoundly un-selfish, for example the Christian family that I knew that converted their whole home into a home for unwed mothers. Instead of a living room with comfy sofas and a TV they had a room with 6 cribs and 6 rocking chairs. That’s a tiny example, there are much bigger ones too – for example Reverend Joseph Clark who seemed to be the only sane voice in calling attention to the atrocities of king Leopold in the belgian Congo, thoight by some to be the worst human rights disaster in history.
Another example is India. I have spent a bit of time there and this is what I saw: Indian people walking past starving and mutilated children who relied on Christian missions for food, compassion, and shelter in a Hindu country.
Viewing each person as being worthy of God’s individual attention can be a good thing.
In America, Americans walk past starving people who rely on community soup kitchens to feed them in a mostly Christian country. What’s your point? There are terrible people and good people in every religion and nation, the good people will use their religion to justify their good actions, and the bad people will use their religion to justify their bad actions. This is why I don’t like the “religions are evil/good” arguments; yes there are some actions that would stem and/or be commanded by some religious belief, but beliefs don’t happen in a vacuum. If somebody believes something bad, then they are probably jsut propping up that belief with religion to try to justify it. The same goes for those people who believe in good things (such as “social justice” Christians).
Yeah, I heard a similar comment about a young woman or teen who called her mom and said, “God loves me!” because she’d survived.
Am I missing something, but are these voluble Christians actually saying that, because America has turned away from God, God wanted these 12 people, including a 6 year-old girl, dead, as a warning? Is this survivor saying that 12 people had to die so that he could live? Whilst full of sympathy and compassion for all of the survivors and the families of those who died, this is holy arrogance of the highest order.
It’s not really a large leap when you consider that they already believe that a guy was tortured and executed for them. What’s a couple more human sacrifices?
Remember, these people worship a God whom they believe killed all the firstborn in Egypt in order to send a message. In comparison, we got off easy with this one.
Oh I thought the cause was too high taxes. Or was it climate scientists?
It’s all fake cause the liberals want to take our guns so the government can rule with an iron fist. Obviously.
They just conveniently ignore all of the horrific violence that has been committed in the name of religion over the course of human history.
But but all the “good” deeds made in the name of religion outweight that, right? It’s not like Stalin was religious, that makes atheists bad, right?
The premise of their argument is that a lack of God has lead to violence. That would imply that religious people are not violent, which we know is false. Religion has been used to justify violence for centuries.
What’s happening with people and sarcasm around here these days?
I’ve never seen any of these murders which hasn’t been followed by blog atheists taking it as an opportunity to bash religion. Including the murder of Dr. George Tiller who was, as you know, murdered while he was ushering at his Reformed Lutheran church. I had to point out that according to the atheists on several blogs, he was responsible for his own murder. I’ll wait for the facts before trying to figure out possible motives, if that’s possible. Opportunism being grasped from mass murder isn’t just a fundamentalist pass time.
I don’t see atheists “bashing” religion every time there is a tragedy like this shooting in Colorado. What we do bash is Christians–or anyone else–making stupid comments like, “This happened because we took God out of schools” or “God protected those who survived” or “This was part of God’s will.” There is a big difference between bashing religion and bashing people saying idiotic things in the name of religion.
Octoberfurst, give me a break. What do you think this is on “The Friendly Atheist”? Blog atheists never pass up an opportunity to bash religious people, they’ll invent one if it doesn’t present itself as on the night that Dr. Tiller was murdered. Atheists don’t have much of a leg to stand on in complaining about their mirror image doing that kind of thing, these days.
Wow I can feel the persecution complex coming through the computer screen! Perhaps you didn’t read my post. I said we bash religious people when they say really stupid things. To say that we’ll “invent” a reason if one doesn’t present itself is just absurd. And Dr Tiller was murdered by a religious fanatic so I am not sure what you’re complaining about. How did atheists “invent” a reason to attack the faith of Tiller’s murderer?
There is more than enough religious fuckwittery to go around without inventing anything
I’ve never seen any of these murders which hasn’t been followed by blog atheists taking it as an opportunity to bash religion.
That’s not true at all! We don’t need a tragedy to bash religion. I do it every day.
A lot of misrepresentation here.
Christians believe atheists are taking God out of society by taking religion out of the public sphere, which, in their eyes, is why belief in God and acceptance of organized religion is declining, which atheists not only not deny, but take pride in themselves for. As America has become secularized, its brilliance has become a relic.
President Obama often uses religion for political reasons like a lot of politicians. He tries to blend in. Christians don’t think his faith is sincere since he brings it up so lethargicly. None of the conservatives I know believe he’s a Muslim and I cannot name one conservative in the media that believes that. There’s someone from WorldNetDaily that I think has tried to make that point but I fail to recall his name because he’s not that important.
” Christians believe atheists are taking God out of society by taking religion out of the public sphere, which, in their eyes, is why belief in God and acceptance of organized religion is declining, which atheists not only not deny, but take pride in themselves for.”
So you’re upset about losing a fair fight in battle of ideas in a speech and religion protected society? Maybe you need better ideas. Really, that one guy that said “hold an aspirin between your knees” was not some hayseed yahoo, he is one of the most powerful and respected men in the country. That didn’t win you any converts.
“None of the conservatives I know believe he’s a Muslim and I cannot name one conservative in the media that believes that.”
Anecdotes are not data. It’s still one in six, which is not a majority by any means but is still significant.
And if you can’t find conservative media figures who still stand by this, you’re not looking hard enough.
“As America has become secularized, its brilliance has become a relic.”
It’s amazing how the human brain can single out a single ’cause’ to attribute to some effect. To paraphrase Michael Shermer, we are cherry picking machines.
President Obama often uses religion for political reasons like a lot of politicians. He tries to blend in. Christians don’t think his faith is sincere since he brings it up so lethargicly.
That’s kind of an interesting double standard. He’s using it for political reasons because he doesn’t make a big enough deal of it. I rather suspect that if he a) said God wanted him to run again b) asked the country to pray for no more mass shootings and c) said his position was one of “logic, common sense, and divine revelation” it would just convince conservatives that Obama is only using religion for political reasons.
I *thought* one of the news reports on this event mentioned that the shooter was a Christian of some sort & a regular church goer. Can anyone point to something that confirms or refutes that?
Yeah I don’t know why some people say–after a tragedy–that “This happened because we took God out of our society!” Really? God seems quite prevalent in our society. Churches flourish. Politicians talk about how much God means to them. People always talk about praying to God for something or another. So what they really mean is that they can’t use public institutions to cram their religion down our throats. No forced prayer in school or sporting events. No “In GodWe Trust” signs inside the courthouse. No manger scene at city hall. THAT is what they are talking about. Oh and I too think that Atheist Pig would sound like Brian from Family Guy.
Typically if find the Atheist Pig cartoons less than funny, but I really liked this one.
Poor Josh; he’s such a slow learner.