David Barton Speaks with Bryan Fischer About His Debunked Book

David Barton appeared on Bryan Fischer‘s American Family Radio yesterday to talk about the “attacks” on his book The Jefferson Lies (and by “attacks,” I mean fact-checking):

They revel in the fact that Barton is the most “dangerous man in America” because he presents a threat to “the agenda of secular fundamentalists on the left.” Then Barton cries “woe is me” about how he had no input into publisher Thomas Nelson’s decision to pull Barton’s book from the shelves:

Barton:… [publisher] Thomas Nelson never asked us for any documentation to refute [Warren] Throckmorton, which really is easy… we’ve started releasing pieces now one at a time, just pointing out how errant he is, how historically errant… so Thomas Nelson capitulated.

They weren’t finished bashing Throckmorton, whose book debunking Barton eventually forced publisher Thomas Nelson to pull Barton’s book from the shelves:

Fischer: [Throckmorton] believed in reparative therapy, for instance, for homosexuals… and it seems like when he changed his mind about that, when he switched sides on the issue of homosexuality, then it was inevitable that in the course of time, he was going to be an enemy of the Truth, basically, in all of its forms.

So… when Throckmorton said gay people can’t just “turn straight” any more than straight people can “turn gay,” Barton and Fischer knew he was trouble. Considering even a lot of evangelical Christians now say you can’t change someone’s sexual orientation, that’s a bold claim.

I love how they’re digging themselves further and further into obsolescence. It won’t be long until there’s just a small handful of Christians who are so rabidly anti-gay that they’ll only have each other to talk to.

If you want to hear two ignorant people talk about how awesome they are to fight back against the secular liberal agenda (a.k.a. “Reality”), watch that video.

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  • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

    The real fun is yet to come.  He can’t hide from Chris Rodda forever.

  • shannonkish

    David Barton just sounds ignorant. 

  • LesterBallard


    It won’t be long until there’s just a small handful of Christians who are so rabidly anti-gay that they’ll only have each other to talk to.”

    Wishful thinking. I share it, but it is wishful thinking.

  • shannonkish

    Barton sure does like the victim mentality!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1351473675 Matthew Baker

    Two silver-haired peas in a pod. A revisionist, jingoistic, hate filled pod but a pod none the less.

  • Gus Snarp

    I think I’ll save the brain bleach and skip this one.

  • rlrose328

    I listened long enough to hear those 2 quotes and that was enough lies for one afternoon.  How can so much hatred and falsehood nonsense even exist in their heads much less come out of their mouths?  Ignorance is rampant in that video.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=608057740 Greg Scott

    This is like listening to someone with Down syndrome agree with someone with autism about unicorns.

  • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

    People with high functioning autism are more likely to be atheists.

    http://iaincarstairs.wordpress.com/2011/11/23/atheism-and-autism/ 

  • http://gloomcookie613.tumblr.com GloomCookie613

    That’s insulting to folks with Down’s, autism, AND unicorns.

  • ORAXX

    David Barton lacks the educational credentials to teach history at the grade school level and is no more a historian than he is an astronaut. He’s just one more religious con man getting rich at the expense of ignorant, gullable, people.

  • Drew41

    For anyone interested in what well-established Christian historians think about the American founding, see The Search for Christian America, written by Mark Noll, Nathan Hatch, and George Marsden. 

    Their central thesis is straightforward: “…a careful study of the facts of history shows that early American does not deserve to be considered uniquely, distinctively, or even predominately Christian, if we mean by the word Christian a state of society reflecting the ideals presented in Scripture.”

    Barton has little significance outside a pocket of aging, anti-intellectual Christian Right Republicans. His lunacy may provide you a smug sense of intellectual superiority, but should you actually want to engage historical study on this issue, I’d recommend the book above. 

  • SwedishSJ

    I would be delighted to know of Barton’s limited significance, were it not for the fact that this “pocket of aging, anti-intellectual Christian Right Republicans” has more of a platform than you seem to think they do.  Unfortunately, their lunacy cannot be merely laughed at and dismissed, because Barton’s allies in government and in right-wing circles (Glenn Beck being one of them) are not some powerless fringe group; their voice in the debate is loud and heard by many.

  • Spamamander

    Frankly I’m surprised that having Fischer and Barton in the same room didn’t cause the universe to collapse from the implosion of stupid.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000646074664 Michael Rollins

     Anytime I post on a Beck-Barton page or site and use the names Roger Williams and John Leland, my post are deleted and I am banned. They will leave ad hominem and criticism of their facts, but urgently remove post about early Baptist and their mission of faith known as Individual Liberty of Conscience. I believe they fear this type of discussion and it needs to be brought to them. The early secularist need to be heard.


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