An Atheist vs. Christian Debate Takes Place in Malaysia

On August 25th, there was a debate on the existence of God in Malaysia. According to Kok Sen Wai of the Malaysian Atheists, it was the “first time such a dialogue occurred” in the country as well as the largest ever gathering of atheists there (both claims I can’t verify).

Anyway, you can see the full debate with commentary and analysis here, and the opening statement from Willie Poh on the atheist side is below:

(via Kok Sen Wai)

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  • M. Elaine

    1. Opening statements from Sam and then Willie. Here they lay out their arguments.
    2. Rebuttals from Sam, followed by Willie’s. Here they poop on each other’s arguments.


  • The Disco Spider

    You are a fucking taint.

  • Adam Hayter

    Ha Ha! He pulled a Godwins Law!
    “This is what I consider the absolute highlight of the night and thought it deserved its own bullet point. Samuel brought up Adolf Motherfucking Hitler and that automatically aroused laughter from the unbelievers in the audience before he even elaborated on his point. Several atheists (including me), immediately brought their palms to their faces. We do that because we have heard this a million times and we know exactly what’s coming. While Samuel did not want to characterise Hitler as an atheist, he also said, “I don’t believe he’s a believer.”

    I do not want to comment on what Hitler really believed or not believed in, but this is what he said in Mein Kampf: “Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of theAlmighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.”He also said in a 1922 speech, “My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter.” “

  • Agnostic

    Since the debate was in Malaysia, the atheist should be debating the Muslims instead. The points on both sides of the issue must have been covered 100 times over as there had been so many debates. Nobody would change their minds because of such debates. Other than perhaps used to generate income for the organizers, I wonder what else is achieved. Many atheists would like to consider Hitler Christian and conveniently forget the fact that Hitler also hated Christians. Atheists do not like being associated with the modern day dictators, but many are atheists. It is like the pot calling the kettle black.

  • s3nw4i k0k

    It is easy for you to say but it is against the law to proselytise to the Muslims here in Malaysia and exposing them to alternate worldviews in frequently seen as proselytisation. The Islamic authorities had performed raids on churches in the past to catch Muslim apostates attending service and other Christian events. In fact, the Young Apologist (the Christian organisers) had been turned down by a lot of other churches due to the fear of repercussions before finding our eventual location. I was responsible for the selection of audience members from the freethinking community and I was told specifically to deny attendance to Muslim apostates (which are unable to denounce their Muslim faith) for fear of culpability.

    Imagine if our guy argued against Islam in a debate. He would be hauled away and locked up, if a Muslim mob didn’t stomp him into pulp first.

    I am aware of the fact that Hitler’s belief system is far from clear, but what is certain is that he is not an atheist. He was baptised a Catholic and his public face is that of a Christian man. However, there are disputable evidence saying that he is in fact quite scornful of the Church – testimonies from his close associates. However, he was most certainly a believer of some kind.

    In my commentary, I very carefully said “I do not want to comment of what Hitler believed or did not believe in.” Whatever he believed in is not representative of the faith he subscribe to, just like how Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao’s atheism should not be blamed for their actions. I brought up the public proclamation of Christianity as a reflection of the faith that oils the Nazi machinery, the German army, and the German people.

  • Matt Kovach

    wow they didn’t jail the atheist

  • Ted Wilcock

    What is purpose of Atheist and Christian debate.   Why does it matter to you ?
    There is no end product,   Does it bring you contentment ?    There is no answer.
    In relation to what there is to know, our brains are immature.       Ted Wilcock