An Atheist vs. Christian Debate Takes Place in Malaysia

On August 25th, there was a debate on the existence of God in Malaysia. According to Kok Sen Wai of the Malaysian Atheists, it was the “first time such a dialogue occurred” in the country as well as the largest ever gathering of atheists there (both claims I can’t verify).

Anyway, you can see the full debate with commentary and analysis here, and the opening statement from Willie Poh on the atheist side is below:

(via Kok Sen Wai)

About Hemant Mehta

Hemant Mehta is the chair of Foundation Beyond Belief and a high school math teacher in the suburbs of Chicago. He began writing the Friendly Atheist blog in 2006. His latest book is called The Young Atheist's Survival Guide.

  • http://twitter.com/ylaenna M. Elaine

    1. Opening statements from Sam and then Willie. Here they lay out their arguments.
    2. Rebuttals from Sam, followed by Willie’s. Here they poop on each other’s arguments.

    Awesome.

  • The Disco Spider

    You are a fucking taint.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ajhayteruk Adam Hayter

    Ha Ha! He pulled a Godwins Law!
    “This is what I consider the absolute highlight of the night and thought it deserved its own bullet point. Samuel brought up Adolf Motherfucking Hitler and that automatically aroused laughter from the unbelievers in the audience before he even elaborated on his point. Several atheists (including me), immediately brought their palms to their faces. We do that because we have heard this a million times and we know exactly what’s coming. While Samuel did not want to characterise Hitler as an atheist, he also said, “I don’t believe he’s a believer.”

    I do not want to comment on what Hitler really believed or not believed in, but this is what he said in Mein Kampf: “Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of theAlmighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.”He also said in a 1922 speech, “My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter.” “

  • Agnostic

    Since the debate was in Malaysia, the atheist should be debating the Muslims instead. The points on both sides of the issue must have been covered 100 times over as there had been so many debates. Nobody would change their minds because of such debates. Other than perhaps used to generate income for the organizers, I wonder what else is achieved. Many atheists would like to consider Hitler Christian and conveniently forget the fact that Hitler also hated Christians. Atheists do not like being associated with the modern day dictators, but many are atheists. It is like the pot calling the kettle black.

    • http://profiles.google.com/k0ks3nw4i s3nw4i k0k

      It is easy for you to say but it is against the law to proselytise to the Muslims here in Malaysia and exposing them to alternate worldviews in frequently seen as proselytisation. The Islamic authorities had performed raids on churches in the past to catch Muslim apostates attending service and other Christian events. In fact, the Young Apologist (the Christian organisers) had been turned down by a lot of other churches due to the fear of repercussions before finding our eventual location. I was responsible for the selection of audience members from the freethinking community and I was told specifically to deny attendance to Muslim apostates (which are unable to denounce their Muslim faith) for fear of culpability.

      Imagine if our guy argued against Islam in a debate. He would be hauled away and locked up, if a Muslim mob didn’t stomp him into pulp first.

      I am aware of the fact that Hitler’s belief system is far from clear, but what is certain is that he is not an atheist. He was baptised a Catholic and his public face is that of a Christian man. However, there are disputable evidence saying that he is in fact quite scornful of the Church – testimonies from his close associates. However, he was most certainly a believer of some kind.

      In my commentary, I very carefully said “I do not want to comment of what Hitler believed or did not believe in.” Whatever he believed in is not representative of the faith he subscribe to, just like how Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao’s atheism should not be blamed for their actions. I brought up the public proclamation of Christianity as a reflection of the faith that oils the Nazi machinery, the German army, and the German people.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Matt-Kovach/1270634973 Matt Kovach

    wow they didn’t jail the atheist

  • Ted Wilcock

    What is purpose of Atheist and Christian debate.   Why does it matter to you ?
    There is no end product,   Does it bring you contentment ?    There is no answer.
    In relation to what there is to know, our brains are immature.       Ted Wilcock

  • a young christian

    christianity is much more reasonable than atheism for multiple reasons. one is how the universe was created. because of the law of conservation of mass no new mass can be created or destroyed in the phsical world. this destroys the big bang theory. atheist must belive that science has the answers since they belive in nothing supernatural. yet how i ask can they hold on to science if it has proven them wrong multiple times. another point is evolution. creation vs evolution an intresting topic. yet because the law of biogenesis states that animals can only reproduce after their own kind how could we have evolved from an amobea. another reason evolution is unreasonable is because if evolution existed there should be “missing links” all over the place. another point atheist bring up is if god is an all loving god then why do we see the deaths of innocent children all over the news. two reasons. one is that this world is ruled by natural laws. if you jump off a cliff you will fall to your death or get a serious ingury. the second point in this this is god has always respected our free will. if an innocent id is runned over by a drunk driver that was the drivers freewill. the driver chose to get in the car while he was drunk. he/she then chose to drive the car on the streets and as a result the kid was runned over. anther hot spot is dinosaurs and the age of the earth. many people say that the earth is old. why? cause it looks old. well how would a new earth look like. we have no other earth to compare this one with. dinosaurs also tie into this. if dinosaurs existed some million years ago then the earth is infact old. yet how do you date the layers of the crust. yess they are older as you go deeper but how do we know their age. is it by the fossils in them. if so then how do we date those fossils. by the layer that they are in. isnt that circular reasoning. yet trees have been found upside down and passing through many layers of crust. a reasonable event is noahs flood in the book Genesis. if there was a flood wouldnt many trees be uprooted and wouldnt many dinosaurs drown. while the rains would not many sediments be washed away. then as the waters recede the dinosaur remains would sink and so would the trees. then they would be covered by the sediments creating our fossils. another point i hear disscused is morals. well if we evolved how do we have our “moral code” as i call it. as you see in the animal kingdom animals eat eachother and others of their own kind even. if we did evolve from apes then wouldnt we not have a moral code. survival of the fittest remember. couldnt we say that murcer is allright. if we evolved from apes then we should feel no blow to our concience. these are the only points that i have heard so far but if all you atheist aut there think of anymore i will gladly prove why they cant be right.
    P.S. this is only a teen thats proving you wrong imagine a christian deeply rooted in knowledge.


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