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Obviously Pat Condell has never read Galatians, Romans or Hebrews, about the Jerusalem council in Acts, or Jesus own teaching (for example, about the Sabbath or food laws, or his interactions with the Pharisees), which together go into detail how Christians view the old testament civil and ceremonial law. Suggesting that the reason Christians don’t follow Old Testament civil or ceremonial law because they’re ignoring the Bible is obviously wrong.
I’m not really sure taking moral advice from someone who is misrepresenting others is a great idea. Presumably this is the morality Pat Condell gets from himself.
You’ve missed the point of the video. Completely.
Ok, please inform me, what are the reasons that Christians do not follow everything out of the New and Old Testament? And please, do not tell me that the moral rules that they do not like, such as stoning gays and adulterers, were actually cultural rules and not the Christian God’s rules for all eternity.
They were actually the Hebrew God’s rules for all eternity. That’s what the whole OT thing is all about. Christians merely appropriated it for lack of imagination.
I agree. I can’t send this to my dad to explain to him how neither my moral compass nor his is really guided by the Bible because Leviticus’ laws were made null by the new testament. Oh, well.
“because Leviticus’ laws were made null by the new testament”
Yup, that’s the common argument I hear too. Funny how that doesn’t apply to the Leviticus versus about gays though.
That is because the NT continues the tradition of condemning homosexuality in Romans, Corinthians, and Timothy. However, most Christians don’t appear to be aware of those and simply parrot Leviticus. Regardless of whether they observe the Laws of Moses or not, their hatred of homosexuals is justified by their bible.
I usually ask them to re-read their bibles and ask them to tally how many times adultery is condemned vs how many times homosexuality is condemned. I did.
I found 5 condemnations of homosexuality in total; OT & NT. I stopped counting after 90 for adultery. Clearly, ‘God’, disliked adultery more yet Christians focus on homosexuality and wonder why they are labeled bigots.
Strange how the NT makes the OT completely irrelevant, at leat when you highlight all the bad stuff. But the Ten Commandments are still as important as ever.
Ask him how he feels about slavery. And why.
Hint: the bible doesn’t condemn slavery at all.
Just wait another 50 years. Christians will say that the whole “homosexuality is a sin” thing was just a cultural guideline of men and not really a statement from God.
Our friends in Japan are on the whole a moral bunch, they have acheieved much in the way of civilization without the dodgy offerings of the bible. See, like Pat says, we are born with a moral compass built in, like a cat knows to use the litter, it’s not rocket science, it’s a fact.
Nah, cats have to be trained, too. Some have even been trained to use the human toilet. I don’t know about flushing, though…
Okay… Nothing to do with this post but have to tell you something that just happened that I found very amusing. I just tried to “google” friendly atheist to find this site and accidentally typed in “friendly theist”. Result? “no results found” How ironic!!!!!
Surely as a ex-theologian,he should know the answer to his own question just as most of us who have Christian friends who has tried to convert us. There re only 2 commandments…which obviously everyone is going to fall short.
I see that moral is subjective. Our moral values actually comes from the laws of the land set out to discipline us which we eventually absorb as moral values. In many societies these laws are derived from religious principles and so laws and consequently morality differs in each society. Before modernization got to them, there were societies such as the head hunters which I very much doubt felt immoral about their activities. If every man are allowed to set their own moral standard, chaos would soon arise.
But since every man is allowed to set their own moral standard (at least here in the states and most places), I’m afraid you need to try again.
Why is there a need for laws then?Might as well do away with the laws and the courts.
I’m surprised anybody still gives any attention to this old racist. I used to follow his “Godless Comedy” but when it devolved into “Xenophobic Rants” that could peel the paint off a ship hull I deleted the bookmark.
I deleted his bookmark too about a year or so ago, but I still check his channel every couple months just to see what he’s up to. Edward Tarte tipped me off to this one with his “like” on YT that showed up in my feed.
Because every once in awhile, amongst all that other stuff, he has a really good point to make. As he does in this video. Which is why I also don’t have him bookmarked on YouTube, but still I appreciate when Hemant finds a good video and posts it.
You speak my mind John. I too used to listen to and enjoy Pat Condell’s comments on YouTube. But then he went off the deep end when it came to Muslims & the Arab people and his videos just became vile racist rants. Sad but true. But it’s nice to know that he can still put out good videos like this one.
I hate to say it, but I did the same thing. I still appreciate the points he makes, but not the racist venom. It’s not that I disagree on his assessment of Islam and some muslims, but at some point he started to go about it in a way that simply did not sit well with me.
He does make a good link for whenever christians complain that atheists are too afraid to criticize islam. “Here, get a load of this one”.
How, exactly, is Pat Condell a racist?
I don’t agree with his stance on UKIP and other things of that nature, but that hardly makes him a racist.
If you have something which he has said which is racist, please quote it for me because, as far as I’ve ever seen, he has never, ever, called people inferior for being born to a certain color or race. Or is Islam suddenly a race?
This is something I would have been happy to post to my FB feed until he said “the criminals who run religion…” I wish he would have just said “religious leaders.” As soon as he paints all religious leaders as “criminals,” he loses any religious person who might have otherwise considered the valid point he was making. (The pastor of the community church where I grew up was a great guy. I’m not religious, and wasn’t even religious at the time, but I always liked him, and remember him fondly. Deluded perhaps, but criminal, no.)
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