Illinois Family Institute Lashes Out Against Jessica Ahlquist for Speaking About Her Case in Local High Schools

Thing I knew: Jessica Ahlquist was coming down to the suburbs of Chicago this week to speak to some area high schools about the importance of the First Amendment and why she fought so hard for her case.

Jessica Ahlquist

Thing I did not know: She’s visiting a high school in my district (as well as a couple of other local ones).

Thing all of you could’ve predicted: Laurie Higgins of the Illinois Family Institute isn’t taking this news very well.

… Last year, [Ahlquist] successfully sued her Rhode Island high school to force it to remove a banner on which a prayer was printed. The prayer was written by a 7th grade student, placed on the banner, and presented as a gift to the school 49 years ago.

York and Waubonsie Valley high schools sent out permission slips to parents, permission slips that failed to include any information whatsoever about Jessica Ahlquist, the specifics of her lawsuit, or any details regarding the topics she would be addressing or the learning objectives her presentation is intended to fulfill.

This goes on for a while… Higgins doesn’t explain how the religious prayer banner in Jessica’s high school was unconstitutional, or the fact that many of the rape/death threats Jessica received from anonymous people and students at her school were from Christians, or how a local politician called her an “evil little thing” for standing up for her rights.

But Higgins did manage to use the 17-year-old’s Twitter history against her:

After the court decision, Ahlquist tweeted:

*[Jessica] Is dancing her brains out and annoying her family*

and

And the prayer falls ; ) *dance*

and to her Twitter pal, the ubiquitous “Friendly Atheist,”… math teacher Hemant Mehta, she tweeted:

we WON. As in lawsuity goodness!

Surely our educational establishments can find more substantive speakers to enlighten our students on constitutional issues.

Wow. Deriding a high school student for being excited after winning a year-long lawsuit everyone in her community wanted to see her lose. That’s pretty weak, even for a hate group.

Just to be clear, Jessica isn’t speaking about why everyone ought to become atheists. She’s talking “about advocating for an issue about which she cares deeply and about being bullied.”

And IFI doesn’t want her to do that. Maybe because the bullies are often kids from Christian families.

Read how Higgins addresses some of the hate directed at Jessica, because it actually starts out strong only to fail miserably by the end:

Although I don’t believe Jessica Ahlquist should be addressing bullying in a presentation that is being promoted as a presentation on constitutional issues, I do believe that the way she has been treated by some in her community is reprehensible. If we hope to have a civil society in which diverse people can exercise their First Amendment rights, we must stand firm against abusive words and actions, particularly when the victims are young people.

That said…

“That said”?!

Why not “Full stop”?

What could IFI possibly add to go against the whole “no bullying” idea?

That said, conservatives need to better understand how “progressives” (or more accurately, “transgressives”) cynically exploit the issue of bullying to promote their causes and ideologies. By demagogically exploiting real victims of bullying, transgressives manipulate non-rational, emotional psychological processes.

So, if Jessica Ahlquist were to tell students about being bullied, students would be less inclined to increase her suffering by expressing their disagreement with her atheism or her political cause. This ploy is most often used in public schools in the effort to silence expressions of disapproval of homosexuality.

In other words, Jessica speaking out about the bullying she experienced for fighting a First Amendment case is really part of her nefarious liberal plan to get everyone to loooooove atheists.

I think I can safely say that I know Jessica pretty well by now. So let me say this: The bullying she went through wasn’t a fun time in her life. As happy as she was to win her case, I know there’s a big part of her that just wants her normal life back, so she could enjoy senior year, going to class, going to prom, talking about college with her friends… but because of everything that happened, there’s no way she can do those things without drawing unwanted, unwelcome attention her way.

But that’s the price she paid for fighting an unpopular battle. IFI and other Christian groups wanted her to stay silent and let the prayer banner hang in her school’s auditorium forever because it was part of school “tradition” and it promoted their personal religious beliefs. Jessica showed us that “tradition” didn’t excuse the school district from following the law and the courts agreed with her.

You don’t have to be an atheist to appreciate what a courageous thing it was that she did. I have no doubt that the students who hear Jessica will benefit greatly from her talks.

But because she fought against the Christian majority in her community, IFI wants to trash her.

***Update***: Higgins wrote this in her post:

But when I contacted the Citizen Advocacy Center who invited Ahlquist, paid for her flights and hotel, and offered her to these three schools, I was told that since Ahlquist is only 17 years old, “she won’t be able to speak articulately on the First Amendment issues” but rather that she would be talking about advocating for an issue about which she cares deeply and about being bullied.

Maryam Judar is one of the organizers of this event from the Citizen Advocacy Center and she says Higgins misquoted her:

Hi. I am Maryam Judar, a community lawyer at Citizen Advocacy Center, who facilitated bringing Jessica Ahlquist to the Chicagoland area to highlight youth who help to keep government accountable and our First Amendment freedoms during Constitution Week.

For the record, I never said that Jessica Ahlquist was inarticulate when I spoke with Laurie Higgins at the Illinois Family Institute. I said that Jessica was a high school student and probably not able to discuss the complexities of First Amendment jurisprudence and that attorneys from the Center would be accompanying Jessica and also speaking to make sure that the law of the land was presented accurately.

So Higgins took Judar out of context to make Jessica seem unqualified to speak… when, in fact, she’s fully qualified to talk about the matter she was brought in to discuss, and the “experts” would be there to provide more nuance.

Where’s the apology from IFI?

Nowhere to be found.

About Hemant Mehta

Hemant Mehta is the editor of Friendly Atheist, appears on the Atheist Voice channel on YouTube, and co-hosts the uniquely-named Friendly Atheist Podcast. You can read much more about him here.

  • Keith Collyer

    I’ve never met Jessica and cannot claim to know her at all, but from the videos I have seen, she is one of the most impressive speakers I have seen, on this or any other “controversial” subject. She answers questions with honesty, humour, sensitivity and a maturity way beyond her years. And certainly far above the bullies she has encountered.

  • http://twitter.com/butterflyfish_ Heidi McClure

    Congratulations, Jessica! If Evil Laurie Higgins is mad at you, it means you’re doing something very right. I am proud of you. Again. Some more.

    Also, it sounds like you’re a Buffy fan, so double bonus.

    To ELH: Picking on kids, are we now? Seriously? You really have no shame, do you? Frankly, you should be damned grateful to this young lady. She fought for YOUR rights as well as everyone else’s. If that had been a banner praising Allah, you’d be right there with her, and we both know it.

    So every time you hear of an atheist challenging publicly funded or supported Christianity, you might want to consider that it could just as easily be YOUR child one day needing support against publicly funded Islam (or one of those other religions you think is wrong, bad, or icky).

  • http://timbrannan.blogspot.com/ Timothy Brannan

    I used the IFI’s “Take Action” form to let the teachers know I supported them and Jessica Ahlquist.

    • Lauren

      I did the same.  Other young people have a great role model in Jessica, and I am delighted that the Chicago area schools have invited her to speak.

    • http://winlb.wordpress.com/ ToonForever

       Me too -

  • https://agoldstardad.wordpress.com/ Fozzy

    Kind of reminds you of the middle east doesn’t it? 

    • A3Kr0n

       Not really.  For one thing there would be no 1st amendment to fight for, Jessica would have been thrown in jail.

      • https://agoldstardad.wordpress.com/ Fozzy

        Missing the point accidentally or on purpose? 

        • http://twitter.com/FelyxLeiter Felyx Leiter

          Please elaborate on your point Fozzy, because I don’t know what the hell you’re trying to say either.

        • Drew M.

          It’s kinda hard to catch a pitch that doesn’t clear the mound.

    • Philbert

      Why, did Higgins finish writing this screed and then burn down the German Embassy?

  • jose

    She says Alquist is not a substantive enough speaker, but to me it seems like a very appropiate choice for a talk in a high school, because her fight took place in one. I daresay the audience will be able to identify better and be more interested in her case than in what, say, a 50 years old doctor in constitutional law may have to offer.

    • Edmond

      She says Alquist is not a substantive enough speaker…. regarding her TWITTER POSTS.  Higgins apparently thinks that Alquist will be speaking only in 140-character sound bytes.

  • Neal Fournier

    “Jessica Ahlquist were to tell students about being bullied, students would be less inclined to increase her suffering by expressing their disagreement with her atheism or her political cause.”
    So let me get this straight.
    Higgins is implying that Jessica is only using her bullying story to prevent herself from being bullied on an issue that Higgins implies that she deserves to be bullied on.

    …does she seriously read anything she writes?!

    • jose

      Now let’s be charitable here. Her point is if you feel sorry for someone you’re less inclined to argue against him or her because of the empathy growing on you… and that liberals deliberatedly use that to repress criticism. She made up the second part, but the first part rings true.

      Criticizing and bullying are emphatically not the same thing…

      • JasmynMoon

        They’re not the same, sure. Jessica was being threatened with gang-rape and violence against her entire family. Using fear tactics as a way to coerce someone into doing something (in this case they wanted her to shut up and move) is the dictionary definition of terrorism. I’d say that’s well beyond criticism.
        Although it’s accurate that you’re not likely to argue when you’re empathizing with someone, this woman is so off base. She’s minimizing the harassment Jessica faced non-stop for a year. She’s also an adult picking on a child.

        • Grizzz

          Jasmyn, let’s be fair and clear here…using a statement like “She’s also an adult picking on a child” is a bit of a bullshit statement.

          Jessica has stepped up to the public stage and defended herself from tremendous hostility. This young woman has grown beyond most of her age and to call her a child is a discredit to her and her maturity. It is also a statement akin to “please, who will save the children!!!???!!!”

          It is an undefensible position based on false info.

          And GO JESSICA!!!

          • http://www.everydayintheparkwithgeorge.com/ Matt E

            I agree. In terms of true maturity, as opposed to a mere tally of years, Laurie Higgins is a child picking on an adult.

            • Drew M.

               More a paramecium than a child, really.

            • Yooperltd

              Picking her nose is more like it.

        • jose

           That’s completely fair, I agree.

        • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

          I’d say closer to the legal term ‘terroristic threat’, which is not the same as terrorism.  One of the problems with ‘terrorism’ is that it is poorly defined.

          Not that that changes your general point.  I’m just a semantic nit.

        • Findog53

          That’s bullshit!!  Yes Jessica faced some harrassment, the culprits were found prosecuted and that school returned to normal in a few days. The leftist media as always blows things way out of proportion and never shows the other side of the fence. The Idea that she faced a year of harrassment is 2 tons of bullshit! I have 2 neices who go to that school and they say otherwise and one of them doesn’t believe in a higher power. She too was approached by the same group who approached the fake Jessica. Unlike jessica, she said no and could care less about the banner.
            Please don’t insult peoples intelligence by saying she has courage. She sang in the school choir, she lives in a house that puts up Christmas decorations and she was also denied an education at a Catholic institution. So PLEASE don’t tell me she is couragious. She did this for financial gain and financial gain  only. She was taught how to be an activist. She by all means did this out of clear vindictiveness only, yet makes herself out to be an Al Sharpton type activist. She is a fake and always will be a fake and is getting a free education to boot.
            If the shool distric had the $’s, it would have been appealed and passed constitutional muster as a historical artifact and put in the library where it couldn’t be touched.

          • onamission5

            *citations needed

            • http://www.facebook.com/kevin.white.5492 Kevin White

               well said, Person seeking citations.

            • Findog53

              I’m done doing your(people on this site) homework. Do some of your own. It’s my opinion based on cases i’ve followed.

              • Grizzz

                Wow, you sound like a regular Barnaby Jones! I am impressed. What investigative methods do you use? Passive? POLITE methodology? Forensic discovery? PLease let me know, because you sound like someone I could learn a lot from!

                *sarcasm up the pooper*

                • Grizzz

                  *amendment* you do not sound like Barnaby Jones, you sound like 
                  Steven Finley. Do you agree Steven Finley? I would thiunk you would agree Steven Finley.

              • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

                Opinions are fine, but do realize you’re some anonymous guy who claims to live in RI and have two nieces that go to the school.  I have no reason to not believe you, but when it comes to what you claim to be fact vs. what someone else claims to be fact, I’m probably going to lean the way of the person with a verifiable identity.  I disagree on the the banner passing has ‘historical’, but that’s a difference of opinion.  When it comes to the extent of the bullying that Jessica faced, I’m a little more swayed by the politician who called her “an evil little thing” in the first place, and the florists who refused to deliver to her, and the police protection she required.  You can minimize it all you want, but faced with conflicting opinions, your opinion holds about as much sway with me as I’m sure mine does with you.

                • Findog53

                  The extent of her being bullied was no more than an obese kid being called a tub of  lard, both being the wrong thing to do. With the leftist media again blowing things way out of proportion and never seeing the other side of the fence.
                   Again rich thank you for the more relaxed responses.

                • TheBlackCat

                  In what possible uiniverse is threating someone with gang rape no worse than calling someone a “tub of lard”.  I would like to think that threats of physical violence are considered worse than name-calling.

                  And you said, any I quote, that the perpetrators were “prosecuted”.  Since when is calling someone a “tub of lard” grounds for prosecution?  Things must have been much worse than that to justify prosecution.

                • Findog53

                  Please, you are talking about a stupid young individual. Have you ever told someone out of anger you would do something to harm another individual? They took this seriously as they should have. Again it was disposed of in less than a week and the school returned to normal. that was back in February, yet this site decides to bring it back out(the letter) on April 11th. Why? To glorify it more. Just like the leftist media,blowing things out of proportion.

                • TheBlackCat

                   “Have you ever told someone out of anger you would do something to harm another individual?”

                  No, and even if  I did, it doesn’t change the fact that threatening bodily harm is worse than calling names by any reasonable standard.

                • Baby_Raptor

                  Don’t insult people and then expect to not be insulted yourself. It’s the height of hypocrisy, and it makes you look retarded.

                • Findog53

                  I could care less about being insulted. Just ask Grizz,I’m a happy go lucky guy.

              • TheBlackCat

                 Three words: burden of proof.  The burden is on the person making the claims to back them up, not on everyone else to disprove it.

                And, no, its not your “opinion”.  You have made specific factual claims.  Those claims are either right or wrong, they are not a matter of opinion.

              • Grizzz

                Hey 
                Steven Finley,

                Lighten up. I mean, we think you are adorably dumb….kinda like a really bigoted “Urkel” but now that we know who you are, it kinda takes the punch outta everything. But that big ass bald spot of yours is great! If we put two of those together we could make a butt! You know, then we could really be able to call you “butted”!!!

                Anyway, thanks for the shits and giggles today 
                Steven Finley. You are very fun Steven Finley. No better entertainment than you Steven Finley.

                Dumb ass…

              • phantomreader42

                 You’ve never done anyone’s homework, and you’d sooner jump into a running woodchipper than try.  All you do is babble moronic nonsense.

              • http://winlb.wordpress.com/ ToonForever

                 Translation:  I pulled all that out of my ass.

                • Findog53

                  Ooh a new heckler!!  Enlighten me with some of your wisdom please.

                • http://winlb.wordpress.com/ ToonForever

                  You’re doing fine on your own.  Funny, though, I thought you were “done.”

                  Well, I’m sure you have some teenage girls to threaten somwhere.  Off you go.

          • Drew M.

             Oh, there’s two tons of bullshit here, alright.

            • Findog53

              I’m a Rhode Islander. Everything I said here is true. She is a fake! and will always be a fake!! Provide me some evidence it’s not bullshit f….k face.

              • Grizzz

                Fake what? What is “fake” about her? Are you saying she is a “fake” human – meaning she is some sort of synthetic droid or cyborg? Are you saying she is a fake high school student? Fake girl? 

                And you posit her “fake” is a permanent condition? There is no treatment or Rx for this disease?

                Please shine the light of medical and forensic science on me and fill me with your wisdom.

              • d.

                 Has anyone ever had a sit-down with you to explain the notion of burden of proof?

              • Drew M.

                Actually, you made the claims, so you are the one who has to back them up. In short, skippy, you are the one who has to provide evidence that it’s not bullshit.

              • TheBlackCat

                 Again, burden of proof.  I think you are a talking koala.  Prove me wrong!

              • Grizzz

                Right 
                Steven Finley. Yes you are a Rhode Islander Steven Finley. Anyway Steven Finley. We know that you are not a fake. Thank you Steven Finley.

                • Grizzz

                  123 Burbank….Steven Findley….Rhode Island….We love you, you dumpy little bald dude….

                • Findog53

                  Wow I have some homework to do. If you know that address we probably have shared a beer. Very few people knew the #. So will you throw me a hint, maybe reveal yourself or hide. You have to know me pretty well to know that address.
                    You can show the whole address so I can receive some hate mail.
                   Make sure when I do get some of that hate mail spell it right findley.
                    Maybe we can do a beer and trade barbs(not fists) in person, that is if you want to reveal yourself.

                • Blaphemous_Kansan


                  If you know that address we probably have shared a beer. ”  Or they have access to youtube.  See my comments further down the thread in your response to Lester, Steve, for how you revealed yourself to everyone.

                  Take this as a learning experience.  Learn not to give out so much information about yourself and I’m sure you can still have a very successful life as an internet troll.  

                  Best of luck, buddy!

                • Findog53

                  Darn you all got me, not being modern technolgy literate I totally forgot about you tube. Now I must bury my sooorry ass in shame. Thank you for pointing that out to me. I wouldn’t have known otherwise lol. I want people to know who my smelly ass is. I spoke my peace while the Atheist activist hid in the corner of the auditorium up in back. some activist. don’t tell me she was concerned for her well being with the 20 or so police officers there.

                • Blaphemous_Kansan

                  You’re obviously very angry, and quite pathetic.  This is the part where you leave without embarrassing yourself further.  Best of luck, buddy!

                • d.

                   Since your last name is apparently the same as that of an alias used on _Burn Notice_, and you have not provided a picture, from this point on I will pretend you look like Bruce Campbell. If you like, you can pretend I look like a certain vampire hunter.

                • TheBlackCat

                  But do you dress badly?

            • Findog53

              Well? I’m waiting!

          • PietPuk

            Wow, we’ve got us a new troll!

            • Findog53

              I’ve been around shrek. I think you are a descendent of Glasofruix

              • PietPuk

                And he/she is even dumber than our usual ones!

                • Grizzz

                  I love him! Seriously! He is kinda like having a special needs kid at a party….You know you shouldn’t watch or laugh, but you can’t help but stay amused….I don’t like myself very much for it, but I am laughing my ass off over here.

                  I hope he stays around because he is fucking HILARIOUS!!!

                • Coyotenose

                   Nasty. Very nasty.

                • PietPuk

                   I know what you mean. It is extremely entertaining to see someone this stupid try to act smart.
                  I blame education.

              • Grizzz

                You little bald sassy son-of-a-bitch you 
                Steven Finley. You are silly Steven Finley.

                • Findog53

                  You are very funny grizz. I could care less what or how you think of me and if you truly know me you know this. I’m dying to find out who you are so we can debate over a frosted one.

              • Brandon

                grouchy over losing all your hair, are we?

          • Grizzz

            You talk out your bunghole like you know something, yet, I find all of your “facts” to be fraudulent. I did some fact checking and not one of your statements hold up under questioning. So, I ask you, would you like to try and defend your statements with some evidence, or should we just file you away under “ass-swipe” in our files?

            • Findog53

              Supply me with some of your fact checking Oh nihilistic one. If you are from R.I. you would know this as fact, otherwise you should be shutting that hole in your face. What is coming out of that hole in your face wreaks of that “ass” you should be wiping.

              • Grizzz

                My goodness, someone woke up with Cap’n Crabby this morning….

                (pssst….I wouldn’t brag about being a Rhode Islander…..just letting you know that it really isn’t something to put on a resume or CV. You do know what a CV is, right?)

                • Findog53

                  CV, isn’t that the thing that keeps the axles together on a vehicle?
                   I love living in the most corrupt state in the union. Is my grammar getting any better Grizzbomb?

            • Findog53

              You all talk about bungholes, pieholes and ass. I get it atheism is the worshipping of the chocolate starfish

          • http://gloomcookie613.tumblr.com GloomCookie613

            *citation needed
            *basic grammar and spelling comprehension ALSO needed

            • Findog53

              o eckcuse me i dudn’t no gramma is kneeded to no watt i tlk aboat. and do your own freekin homework! I’m done doing for you all.

              • Grizzz

                Well said 
                Steven Finley. You show that you are no Rhodes [Scolar] Steven Finley. You smarty pants you Steven Finley.

            • Findog53

              Does the grammar thing go for the Grizz too.

          • Baby_Raptor

            That’s some pretty heavy denial…Going so far as to completely lie and slander someone. Why does losing a bit of privilege offend you so horribly?  

            Jessica has more courage than you’ll ever manage. She doesn’t need to throw false attacks at people and deny others rights to feel secure. Sorry if that burns, but it’s the truth.

          • John W

             Tell us more about all the other conspiracys you believe

  • Neal Fournier

    “Jessica Ahlquist were to tell students about being bullied, students would be less inclined to increase her suffering by expressing their disagreement with her atheism or her political cause.”
    So let me get this straight.
    Higgins is implying that Jessica is only using her bullying story to prevent herself from being bullied on an issue that Higgins implies that she deserves to be bullied on.

    …does she seriously read anything she writes?!

  • DougI

    Illinois “Family” Institute is threatened by a high school student speaking in a high school?  Just imagine how weak and cowardly the IFI is if one teenager can send them in such a tizzy.

  • A3Kr0n

     Transgressives? Not very mature IMHO.

    • HughInAz

      If someone calls me a transgressive, I will wear it as a badge of honor!

      • Therubah

        If someone calls me transgressive I’ll politely point out that I’m cisgressive, but thank them for being inclusive (ugh do much -ive in that thought)

  • C Peterson

    So, schools need to send home permission slips before kids can attend lectures about controversial subjects like civics?

    • nakedanthropologist

      Thanks to hate groups that support Christain terrorism like the IFI, I suppose so.  Those basterds.

    • Alviesf

      “God” forbid they actually learn about their own country’s constitution. These people are too stupid to understand that she’s fighting for their rights as well. Then again, by pointing out the protections laid out in the Constitution, their argument that this is a nation founded upon “Christian values” begins to crumble.

      • Grizzz

        What is funny is that I have been saying that three of the most effective (modern/recent) people to have pushed for First Amendment rights are three people who are polarizing and one a self-professed “scumbag”.

        Larry Flynt
        Frank Zappa
        Lenny Bruce

        These three had it right.

        • C Peterson

          Let’s not forget George Carlin. He knew how to push people’s buttons.

          • Findog53

            God rest his soul, george was always right on the money.

            • Grizzz

              What soul 
              Steven Finley? George knew he did not have a soul, nor did George believe in “god” Steven Finley. So why are you saying god bless his soul Steven Finley?

              • phantomreader42

                 Because Steven Finley is dumber than dog shit and won’t listen to anything but the voices in his own hollow head.

            • Willy Occam

               Correction: Joe Pesci rest his soul.

          • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

            I really hate to put him in the same company, but Fred Phelps.

          • Grizzz

            I love George, even got to meet him, but I cannot put him in the same category as Lenny, Larry and Frank because the LL&F crew fought in the courts, often against popular sentiment and aggressive juries and judges. George was brilliant and wonderful but he ended as performer. LL&F were advocates and fighters.

    • Findog53

      Please u freeken moron, you are comparing apples and oranges!!

      • C Peterson

        ???

        I’m not making any comparisons at all. And I think it’s a bit ballsy for anybody who uses “u freeken” to be calling anybody else a moron!

        • Drew M.

           Never attribute to ballsiness that which can be explained by stupidity.

          • Findog53

            And what Rhodes Scolar school did you go to?

            • Grizzz

              That is “scholar” not “scolar” and Rhodes SCHOLARS go to one school only…Oxford.

              The scholarship was set up by Cecil John Rhodes, so that those with the ability (i.e. – NOT YOU) would be able to study at one of the world’s premier institutes for thought, intellect and scientific advance.

              But, thank you for trying to appear erudite, even though it was just an epic fail on so many levels.

              • Findog53

                Thanx for enlightening me Grizzbomb. Maybe I should have phrased it a different so even you could understand it. How’s my grammar Grizzy.

            • Drew M.

              Yep. Stupidity.

            • Coyotenose

               *facepalms* He has all of the dumb.

        • Findog53

          You are making a comparison! you are saying civics is in the same arena as the possibility of someone being offended by some of her comments.
           What word should I have used. I have been following your nihilistic ramblings for a bit. You are the epitome of  asphalt being a rectum problem.

          • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

            You are the epitome of  asphalt being a rectum problem.

            That was funny once.  It’s getting old.

            New material please?

          • Coyotenose

             Probably not “nihilistic”, since there’s not a hint of nihilism on this site except for morons like you who obsessively and ignorantly equate it to atheism, and who come here to type it, thinking it makes you sound smart.

            Almighty Jesus, why do you make your followers so dumb? Can’t they please brain a little, just to brighten our days? They keep making our case for us, and that leaves us with idle hands!

  • observer

    “And IFI doesn’t want her to do that. Maybe because the bullies are
    often kids from Christian families.”

    This. It’s a ridiculous trend I’ve noticed: fundamentalists, say or, to a lesser degree, do something malicious. But when you point out what they did/say, they get huffed up and accuse you of slandering, or whatever.

    It’s pretty much a matter of, “if you point out how evil we are, then people will think we’re evil, that’s evil of you!”

    • Grizzz

      It seems to be a trend in most anything these days. Mostly on the GOP/Religious apologist/Christian whackadoo side, but also (to a lesser extent) the liberal/progressive side.

      The new “truth” is to take fact and then say that it is the polar opposite. Left becomes right, right becomes left; up becomes down and black becomes white.

      This is just a glaring example of the lies. The bullying side is claiming the bullied is the bulier (is that a word?!)….it is so sad that the general public has accepted this as SOP. 

      A great example that is very current is the new report being released to the public regarding the Boy Scouts and how they actively shuffled pedophile scout masters to new troops and then actively helped destroy evidence and cover the tracks of the criminals. But, the Boy Scouts yell they are being persecuted!

      This bullshit has to stop.

      And GO JESSICA!!!

    • Grizzz

      It seems to be a trend in most anything these days. Mostly on the GOP/Religious apologist/Christian whackadoo side, but also (to a lesser extent) the liberal/progressive side.

      The new “truth” is to take fact and then say that it is the polar opposite. Left becomes right, right becomes left; up becomes down and black becomes white.

      This is just a glaring example of the lies. The bullying side is claiming the bullied is the bulier (is that a word?!)….it is so sad that the general public has accepted this as SOP. 

      A great example that is very current is the new report being released to the public regarding the Boy Scouts and how they actively shuffled pedophile scout masters to new troops and then actively helped destroy evidence and cover the tracks of the criminals. But, the Boy Scouts yell they are being persecuted!

      This bullshit has to stop.

      And GO JESSICA!!!

  • CoboWowbo

    Illinois Family Institute (Hate group)  … How is hatred a family value?

    • Grizzz

      How is homophobia, advocating bullying, pushing religion on those who do not wish it, discriminating against groups and trying to women to have children they do not want anything but a hate group?

  • nakedanthropologist

    Wow.  The more Laurie Higgins speaks, the more easily one can see what a spiteful and mean-spirited person she is.  She wants bullying to be okay – but only if its bullying of people she thinks are wrong (i.e. anyone who is not Christian or heterosexual).  One wonders if a Christian group at a high school was being constantly bullied and harrassed, complete with death/rape threats if she would react with a “that said” statement.  I’m thinking not.

  • Renshia

     Laurie Higgins you to, are a douche bag.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/FDGYHBEWVNGUG763L5X4TON3JQ Nazani14

    Idea for the next cool t-shirt:
    lawsuity goodness! 
    Followed by a short list of delish cases, such as Kitzmiller v. Dover, etc.

  • Michael

    If you bully someone, you can expect them to “cynically exploit” your bullying to stop you getting your way. That’s just how it works. Bullying is a tool to be used against the bullies.

  • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

    Looking forward to hearing her talk at Sacramento’s Freethought Day 
    http://freethoughtday.org/

  • LesterBallard

    Still a wonderful, evil little thing. 

    I enjoyed how her critics would say she was too young to do all this on her own. There’s a blog I sometimes visit, the guy is a Ray Comfort acolyte. Sometime after he and his fellow Christians criticized Jessica, he did a post about how, when his four year old daughter was at a hair stylist, I think, asked the woman about Jesus. Yes, that’s something a four year old would do all on their own. 

    • Findog53

      Maybe she wasn’t to young Lester. She definitely was recruited for the endeavor. She definitely did not do this on her own. Take it from a Rhode Islander.
       You will never see her speak in this state because we in R.I. know she is a fake. When the school committee meeting on feb 16th was held to decide whether to appeal or not, where was Jessica? all the way in the back of the auditorium in a corner instead of down by the podium in the heat of the battle. And don’t give me the crap she was afraid for her well being. There was more security at this event than at most U.S. consuluates. Some activist she is!
        I spoke in favor of appealing and out of 70 or so people who did, was the only one who was shown on the evening news(sorry they did show Jessica hiding in the corner in the back of the auditorium).
       I was shown because i quoted one of the top 3 presidents of all time. After every state of the union address he said ” If we ever forget we are one nation under God, then we are a nation gone under”.
       

      • Findog53

        Oops, that president was Ronald Regan!

        • Grizzz

          AHHHHHHHHHahhahahahahahahHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahahahahahahahahah!!!!

          Fact – “Saint” Reagan raised taxes 11 times during his presidency, the very presidency held up to be the “less government and taxes” regime.

          Fact – Reagan did not bring about the downfall of the Iron Curtain – cheap toilet paper and proper fitting “Nike” shoes did.

          Fact – Reagan raised the national debt to $3 trillion during his presidency.

          Fact - Unemployment jumped to 10.8 percent in 1981, during the Reagan presidency

          Fact – The Reagan “man of less government” added one of the biggest debtor departments in the US History, the ended up adding one of the largest — the Department of Veterans’ Affairs, which today has a budget of nearly $90 billion and close to 300,000 employees.

          Fact – Reagan Reagan signed a bill to liberalize California’s abortion laws that “resulted in more than a million abortions.”

          Fact - Reagan gave amnesty to 3 million undocumented immigrants.Reagan signed into law a bill that made any immigrant who had entered the country before 1982 eligible for amnesty.

          Fact - Reagan vetoed a comprehensive anti-Apartheid act.

          Fact - Reagan illegally funneled weapons to Iran.

          Fact - Reagan helped create the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden’s power grab.

          This is fun. Do you have any other “saints” you would like me to educate you on?

          I am happy to help out, because, well…I’m a giver….

          • Findog53

            They way you ‘ve been carrying on you sound more like a receiver.

            • Findog53

              Well?

      • LesterBallard

        Why the fuck would she hide? Because of the death and rape threats? Fuck you, and fuck Reagan.

        • Findog53

           F you and f  Ronnie, It’s nice to know when you’ve hit the right nerve.

          • LesterBallard

            Yeah, you hit my asshole nerve. You’re an asshole.

            • Findog53

              Another one into the chocolate starfish!

        • Findog53

          Idle threats like the ones I’ve received(to prove a point) from someone on this site.

      • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

        Say what you want, Reagan was a master at pandering to the Moral Majority to get votes.  Given his rather secular background vs. Carter’s very religious background, it was quite a coup.

        Still, just because a president said something doesn’t make it true.  I’m sure there are lots of things Barack Obama has said that you consider bullshit.

        • Findog53

          Don’t agree about the pandering, the president comment i do. Obummer though has more stories than Orson Welles

      • TheBlackCat

         

        When the school committee meeting on feb 16th was held to decide whether
        to appeal or not, where was Jessica? all the way in the back of the
        auditorium in a corner instead of down by the podium in the heat of the
        battle.

        Wait, what?  She was the subject of the lawsuit!  You expect her to try to take part in the decision about whether to continue a lawsuit she is involved in? 

        Of course if she did that you would criticize her for conflict of
        interest, of trying to sway a decision she has a major stake in. 

        What exactly is she supposed to say?  “I think you should not appeal the lawsuit I just won”?  Everybody knows her stance on the subject already, since she has a vested interest in one outcome.  What more could she add that everybody doesn’t already know?

        • Findog53

          Plenty of others spoke not to appeal. The true activist she claims to be hid, plain and simple as that. She should have said her peace why not to appeal.

          • TheBlackCat

             Plenty of others who weren’t directly involved in the lawsuit.  She already said her piece in the courtroom.

      • Blaphemous_Kansan

        Steven, you shouldn’t give so much information about yourself out online if you intend to use a pseudonym.  Googling ‘Cranston + (your reagan quote)’ goes right to  you.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VTFwNLzJIQ&feature=youtu.be 

        • Blaphemous_Kansan

          Wow, 243 views.  You’re right, you ARE very important.
          I bet we can kick up the view count today!

          • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

            What I find interesting is that someone who thinks that not being “Under God” will leave us a nation “Gone Under” would accept a prayer being relegated to the library as an historical artifact.  I wonder if he would have voiced that compromise at the meeting.  And how the crowd would have reacted.

            • Blaphemous_Kansan

              Indeed.  The farce is strong with them.

        • Glasofruix

          That’s Findpuppie? He sounds a lot more stupid in real life.

        • Drew M.

           Oh FFS. Now I feel a bit ill for asking if he “has a hard on” for Jessica.

          ::puke::

          • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

            To his credit, although he has minimized the abuse Jessica has faced, he hasn’t given any (other than call her a pawn or in it for the money)- at least not on this forum, and I would hope nowhere else.  Quite frankly I’m bothered by anyone going there (innuendo) at all, even if ‘in her defense’.

            • Drew M.

              In that case, I apologize to both you and Findog53.

      • Willy Occam

         “If we ever forget we are one nation under God, then we are a nation gone under.”

        This quote’s not even that clever… even for Ronald Reagan.

      • TheBlackCat

         So what about the U.S. before it was “one nation under God”.  You know, for the first 175 years of its history.  Actually, you probably don’t know.  You probably think the pledge of allegiance was written by the founding fathers (hint: it wasn’t), and that they put “under god” on it and our money (hint: they didn’t).  So was the U.S. “going under” for 3/4 of its history?

        • Findog53

          You are right I didn’t know any of this, thank you for enlightening(sorry for the $3.75 word) me.

          • TheBlackCat

             You didn’t actually answer the question, though.

  • PJB863

    Torquemada Higgins.

    • Drew M.

       Properly, it would be Laurie Higgins dé Torquemada.

  • Thegoodman

    “She can’t be a martyr! That’s our card!”

  • http://www.facebook.com/AnonymousBoy Larry Meredith

    she would be talking about advocating for an issue about which she cares deeply

    In public statements, Ahlquist has explained what issues she cares deeply about:

    I would definitely say that being an atheist is a big part of my identity, mostly because I’m an activist….I wouldn’t say that I go shoving atheism down anyone else’s throat. I just feel passionate about activism and specifically activism for atheism.

    Subtle.

    Laurie is desperately trying to make it sound like Jessica is being paraded from school to school specifically to degrade religious beliefs.

    She isn’t. Jessica’s activism for atheism is about promoting equality and the constitutional rights of atheists. Something which Laurie deeply cares about oppressing.

    • Findog53

      If she mentions Atheism once during her speaking engagements,the microphone shoul be turned off immediately. For first amendment purposes atheism is considered a religion, therefore her mentioning it would be a violation of what she holds so dear to the heart, the fake that she is.
         If she wants to talk 1st Amendment equality fine, if she mentions the A word once then shut her fake ass off!!
        Again in her defense, she is just a pawn for her parents, the aclu and the non-theist organization that recruited her. let them step up to the plate and take some of the heat off her.

      • Drew M.

        You have quite the hard on for her, don’t you?

        Don’t worry. She’s not stupid like many theists; she won’t make it about atheism.

      • Grizzz

        Do you know the family? Spend some time with them discussing the strategy and the chess set rules for this alleged pawn aka Jessica?

        Have you ever met them? Or are you like Carnac and able to see into people’s minds?

      • Grizzz

        Oh, and yes, she could say the word atheist in regards to this situation without pushing it. I know this type os subtlety is rarely seen in your circles, but I find it wildly amusing that this young woman has more intellect and rhetorical abilities than some old and angry little **** like you.

        Would I be safe in suggesting that the words “Bachelor’s Degree” have never crossed your lexicon?

        • Findog53

          No I’m married! lol

          • Grizzz

            *ahem* I musty clear my throat before I deliver the only logical and sensical retort to your well-thought out jocular maxim from above….

            *ahem*

            HUH?

            • TheBlackCat

               I think the term “Bachelor” confused him or her.

              • Grizzz

                I love this guy! Seriously! If he is trying to be funny, I find his inability to understand comedy ironically wonderful.

                If he truly does not know what “Bachelor’s Degree” means, then fuck-in-EH he is too much fun! This guy is better than 167 channels of satellite TV!!!

                • Coyotenose

                   It’s pretty common in their circles to be this bizarrely humor-blind. I’ve met more than one neocon theist who couldn’t grasp the phrase, “would you like more cheese with that whine?”

          • TheBlackCat

             You are joking, right?  Please tell me you are joking.

      • nakedanthropologist

        Somebody is jealous.  Listen twat, even if she mentions atheism its covered – because it is related to the bullying she experienced.  As in police documented death and rape threats.  I get it – we all do – you’re mad because she stood up to people like you, and tons of people (like us) supported and applauded her for defending our constitution.  Please get over yourself and stop trolling – for all our sakes.

        • TheBlackCat

           Please no gendered insults.  Thanks.

          • Drew M.

            Twat isn’t universally a gendered insult. You may want to avoid the UK.

            • SphericalBunny

              Actually, even here it’s still slang for vagina. I suspect you may have meant in the UK it’s not meant with specifically negative connotations to being female. I’ve heard enough counter examples to know that that would also be wrong. Regardless, this is an American site on the WWW, so the point is moot.

              • Drew M.

                 I stand corrected.

                • SphericalBunny

                  Meant with no disrespect, since I hope Naked didn’t mean it that way, but as the saying goes, intent ain’t magic :)

        • Findog53

          Yes she did stand up to us, in the back of the auditorium in the corner. Wow, talk about getting out of the kitchen when there is heat.

          • TheBlackCat

             That fire was put out in the courtroom. 

        • Findog53

          That sounds like a desease. “stay away from them they have twat”.

      • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

        By that argument one could not mention that it was Jehovah’s Witnesses  who made it legal to not pledge allegiance to the flag.  Or even quote the banner in talking about it.

        There’s a huge difference between talking about religion (or lack thereof) and advocating a religion (or lack thereof).  You’re so butthurt over Jessica that you’re ignoring pretty basic stuff like that.

        This stuff works GREAT! http://buttpaste.com/

        • Findog53

          Speaking of butt hurt Rich, why has everyone sidestepped the issue on the other thread about the Texas Attornet General. The fifth circuit shows us some love and you all make it about the 2nd amendment?

          • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

            It’s amusing that a state AG would cite something other than the final outcome of  a case.  It’s like cheering the fact that your team scored the first pint in a losing game.  Yay you.

      • http://www.facebook.com/AnonymousBoy Larry Meredith

        troll much?

      • Coyotenose

        You’re just a desperate little liar who has to pretend you’re psychic and know what people are “really” thinking – in your foul imagination – in order to have an argument. It must tear you up inside that this young lady has so much more character and intelligence than the gits like you who are losing their special elitist privileges thanks to her efforts.

      • Baby_Raptor

        Will you just shut up? Seriously. 

    • Findog

      If that phrase is not an oximoron, nothing is.

  • http://gloomcookie613.tumblr.com GloomCookie613

    Jessica would eat Higgins alive in a battle of wits. (And not just because Higgins would be fully unarmed :D)

    • Findog53

      Dudette, please stay under your bridge!

      • http://gloomcookie613.tumblr.com GloomCookie613

         Uhm, really?  You don’t get that I was *complimenting* Jessica?  Or is that what annoys you?  Because if it’s the latter, well, isn’t there some sort of hate group website like the IFI that you could be hanging out on instead? 

        Ms. Higgins has proven time and time again that she hasn’t the critical thinking skills required to find her way out of a paper bag, even if you left the end of it open for her with arrows and blinking lights.  I’m sorry if it gives you a raging case of the butthurts that I pointed it out, but they do make a cream for that.  Ask your local pharmacist.

        • Findog53

          They also make a cream for the orafice on the other side.

          • Grizzz

            Have you been huffing gas again? Please tell me the answer is yes, because if you aren’t and you are sober writing this stuff, then you become the poster child for what is wrong with the American Public School system….

          • TheBlackCat

             Several, I’m sure.  And your point is…Gloom has “mouthhurts” or something?

            • http://gloomcookie613.tumblr.com GloomCookie613

               I think he was implying that my vagina has issues.  Though I can happily report that my vagina is in good health and sand-free. (Planned Parenthood clinics are handy for making sure your vagina is sand-free and happy!)   Was awfully nice of him to be so concerned about my vaginal health.

              Vagina.

              (Don’t know why, something tells me that that word will annoy findog in all sorts of ways and I can’t be arsed to be the mature person today.)

              • Grizzz

                Vagina.

                Just trying to help. Everyone….dog pile on the vagina!!!

                • PietPuk

                   Vaaa-ghiiii-naaaaaaahh

        • TheBlackCat

           “Or is that what annoys you?”

          Yes.  Read the rest of the comments.

          • http://gloomcookie613.tumblr.com GloomCookie613

            Thanks for the clarification.  I didn’t really feel the need to scroll through all of these comments to track down the thoughts and feelings of some jackwagon that’s obviously not the sharpest knife in the drawer … so I didn’t.

            • TheBlackCat

               I don’t think you were, I was worried I came across that way but I couldn’t figure out another way to say it succinctly.

  • Maryam Judar

    Hi.  I am Maryam Judar, a community lawyer at Citizen Advocacy Center, who facilitated bringing Jessica Ahlquist to the Chicagoland area to highlight youth who help to keep government accountable and our First Amendment freedoms during Constitution Week.  For the record, I never said that Jessica Ahlquist was inarticulate when I spoke with Laurie Higgins at the Illinois Family Institute.  I said that Jessica was a high school student and probably not able to discuss the complexities of First Amendment jurisprudence and that attorneys from the Center would be accompanying Jessica and also speaking to make sure that the law of the land was presented accurately.  

    • Drew M.

       Thank you for clarifying things, Maryam.

    • nakedanthropologist

      Thank you for all your hardwork and effort – you’re accompanying a wonderful young woman and we appreciate that a great deal! :-)

    • Maryam Judar

       In fact, I find her to be quite articulate!  Thanks for your likes and comments.  It bothers me that my words were misrepresented, but I am not surprised. 

      • Ncramblit

        You spoke to me on Friday about this presentation and were surprised to hear that the 1st amendment has seen liberal and conservative interpretations. It’s amazing to me that you could be a lawyer in this country and be myopic on this fact. Remember, you asked me for examples? Perhaps a little less of this: 
        http://hinsdale.patch.com/articles/traffic-stops-lead-to-dui-charges and you could think clearer. Ms. Higgins piece is not about hate it is about the truth and seeks prudence on the part of school administrators and teachers to disclose the purpose of removing students from regular studies. Of course both sides of this issue should be addressed at this presentation will that occur? I am a parent with a student at one of these schools, my youth will not be attending. I did not ask that the event be cancelled nor did Ms. Higgins just that the truth be given to parents about its nature and let we the tax paying supporters of these school decide.

        • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

          People who drink alcohol shouldn’t through stones at people who smoke pot.

          Says the guy who does neither so can ride off on his high horse.

        • Coyotenose

           You seem to be unfamiliar with Higgins’ comments on Ahlquist, and in general. She’s well established as a bully and a liar, and this is only the latest in a series of personal attacks on Ahlquist.

          Context matters.

      • Alchemist Soapmaker

        Of course your words will be twisted and misquoted. You’re speaking thoughtfully and with dignity.
        Nothing annoys a god-bothering moron more than thoughtful, ration, well educated people telling the truth.
        Also, well done Jessica. Just when we think we couldn’t be more proud of your courage, you stand up and prove we can.

  • Atomicsteve

    Apparently this group is now getting people to call the schools to protest Jessica’s visits. Could the secular community start thinking about countering this action?

    • Atomicsteve

       You know, she doesn’t need more bullying. She needs more support. Let’s give it to her.

      • nakedanthropologist

        Agreed.  Perhaps we should contact the school to show our support, get in touch with local groups who support the US Constitution and the separation of church and state for a supporttest (I know its a stupid word, but counter-protest didn’t seem to fit the message I’m trying to convey), and perhaps contact Maryam Judar.  What do you think?

  • http://yetanotheratheist.com/ TerranRich

    This ploy is most often used in public schools in the effort to silence expressions of disapproval of homosexuality.

    Replace “homosexuality” with something like “black people”. Do these people really not see how bigoted they are?

    • http://twitter.com/TychaBrahe TychaBrahe

      No, because being gay is a choice and also condemned by the Bible, whereas being Black is the way God made you and the Bible doesn’t say anything specifically negative about Black people.  

      And no amount of scientific studies will change their opinion that being gay is a choice, unfortunately.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Adam-Patrick/100000027906887 Adam Patrick

        Even if God himself came down(assuming he exists) and told them it wasn’t a choice and he had no problem with it, most of them still say it’s a choice and an abomination to God.

    • nakedanthropologist

      Bigots never see themselves as bigots.  Example: Findog53 (see above) is constantly demeaning Ms. Ahlquist and others while simultaneously reassuring her/his-self of their own superiority.  Bigots have to do this – its part of how that state of mind opperates.  For them, they’re right and everyone else is wrong.  There’s no leeway for a middle ground, and no room for the humility of learning.  It’s sad, really.

  • http://friendlyatheist.com Richard Wade

    You can boil Higgins’ agenda and motives down to a single phrase, “preserving Christian privilege.” This fits everything she does:

    She wants to impose her version of Christian belief about sexuality and marriage onto everyone with binding law, and she wants to forbid any beliefs about sexuality and marriage that differ.

    She wants her version of Christian beliefs and opinions taught in public schools, and she wants to forbid teaching any beliefs and opinions that differ.

    She wants to be able to get a public high school math teacher fired just because he’s an atheist who never discusses his atheism in class, and she wants public school teachers who are Christian to be able to proselytize in class as much as they want.

    She wants Christian kids to be able to bully non-Christian kids, or gay kids, or just any kids they want to bully, and she wants nobody to be able to bully Christian kids.  

    She wants all taxpayers, Christian or not, to be forced to pay to have the government promote and endorse only her version of Christianity, and she wants her version of Christianity to be tax-exempt.

    In short, she wants to be protected by the First Amendment but not be bound by it, and she wants everyone else to be bound by it but not protected by it.

    • Drew M.

       “In short, she wants to be protected by the First Amendment but not be
      bound by it, and she wants everyone else to be bound by it but not
      protected by it.”

      This is perfect, Richard!

    • nakedanthropologist

      Eloquent as always, Richard.  Thank you and well done.

  • Gringa

    Did you pick up on this part at the end of what Higgins says?  “This ploy is most often used in public schools in the effort to silence expressions of disapproval of homosexuality.”

    So Jessica is doing this so that people accept her atheist worldview and somehow the conversation will move from the constitution to homosexuality, which kids will no longer disapprove of because they will now think that questioning people is bullying?  I can’t even make the connections seem rational.  Mental gymnastics. 

  • Magnum

    Maybe CAC and Jessica can use this opportunity to have a debate with IFI in front of the school. I’m guessing IFI will turn it down as they’d have to respond to the other side and don’t want to look like fools in front of everyone.

  • Bball246165

    Jessica Alquist is truly amazing. The fight back against christian dominance is inspiring a new generation of freethinkers to stand up.

  • Blaphemous_Kansan

    New troll Findog bragged earlier in the thread about speaking at the Cranston appeal hearing and dropping a Reagan quote.  

    Not sure if he realizes what this whole ‘internet’ thing is, but somebody like that sticks out, even in the Google jungle.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VTFwNLzJIQ&feature=youtu.be 

    • http://www.facebook.com/angelicanightingale Angelica Nightingale

       thank you for the link, Blasphemous. I wonder if Finley will receive death threats and gang rape threats from non-theists now that we know his home address? MOST LIKELY NOT. Threats usually come from the religious kind . . . :(

      • Findog53

        Well we’ll find out soon enough with my address out there.

      • Findog53

        Well what do you know Florence Nightingale, i’ve received 2 pieces of mail with some idle threats. That didn’t take to long. Now should I take them to the proper faction and get escorts for 3 days like she did(3 days only) while I go for my daily constitutional. No wait, i’ll take it to the media, have the date noted and bring it back out 4 months later to glorify it and maybe enough media attention to be able to make some money for furthering my youngests education.  
          Then i’ll get on tv and say ” I wouldn’t say I shove Christianity down anyones throat. I’m an activist especially an activist for Christianity” lol.

        • Findog53

          Didn’t think I would get any hits on the above post.

          • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

            What do you want?  Some assholes are sending you letters?  So they’re assholes.  If they’re making actual threats then send them to the police.  If you want to share, go for it.  If not, then… um, sorry, I’m being overcome… with… boredom…

            • fin312

              Thank you Rich, you’ve made my point. Same kind of threats as she idle!

    • Findog53

      What a Handsome s.o.b.

      • Blaphemous_Kansan

        I agree completely with your comment.  Minus the ‘handsome’, of course.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sandy-Kokch/100000074576649 Sandy Kokch

     Findog53 – you, like many of your countrymen, labour under the delusion that your opinion carries equal weight to facts and evidence. Bad news sparky…. that aint so. Your opinions and unproven and unqualified accusations are just mustard burps in a busy bar room accompanied by a cough or two loaded with disgorged pretzel crumbs.

    What matters my little delusional friend is THE LAW. And unfortunately for you the judge decided, based on a long string of precedent cases, that the law was on Ms Ahlquhist’s side. She won, and you and your ilk chowed down on the bitter grape diet.

    And so, like a long line of shabby two bit shyster lawyers in courts all across the US, when you cant challenge the facts you lob mud at the lass instead. There’s even an example of such by another of your ilk down here in the comments – step into the spotlight there Ncramblit you pathetic shameless little mudslinging self righteous twerp.

    Utterly pathetic.

    Carry on yapping for attention little doggy. Yap yap yap all you like. We rationalists and the US courts will happily keep whacking you in the snout with the rolled up newspaper.

    Jessica Ahlquhist has more class in her finger nail clippings than Findog53, Ncramblit, Higgins and her little fundy hate group combined.

    • Glasofruix

      Careful, Steven Finley (aka Findog) might just opinionate you to death and call his imaginary bud on you to throw you in hell.

    • Findog53

      Why do you people pick on small cash strapped cities and towns? Take the good fight to Washington. Try and take that offensive little saying off  our currency(which will never ever happen), and “under God” taken out of the pledge(never ever going to happen) or the mentioning of a creator 4 times in the Decleration Of Independence(never going to happen). You know the old saying, “pick on somebody your own size”. Go all the way, you all nibble like a squirrel.

      • TheBlackCat

        Actually, people are fighting for removing the cold-war era god-bothering on our money and pledge. 

        The thing about the declaration of independence is:

        1. It has no legal standing in the U.S.
        2. The guy who wrote it was probably the biggest opponent of Christianity amongst the founding fathers.  He thought Jesus was a secular moral teacher and that all the stuff about virgin births and miracles was made up so priests could increase their power.  He was closets to a deist, as were many of the founders, and the talk of the “creator” was typical deist language, not Christian.

        • Findog

          Ok, now it’s your turn citation please!

        • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

          @b27c7fe58b619c359b5c3bd88dc082ad:disqus I’m in a hurry, but I’ll be back later if @e451fec41747a331360506e29bf0e321:disqus  doesn’t beat me to it.  In the interest of brevity is there anything in particular there that you doubt?

          Attempts to remove God from pledge and motto?
          Lack of legislative value of the Declaration of Independence?
          Jefferson’s Deism?

    • Findog53

      Very angry response, you must have had your vagina gasket on.

    • fin312

      Yep and we got whacked in the snout with the texas cheerleader case too. The 5th circut shows us some love and you all side step the issue and make it a second amendment thing. Pretty rational there!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-De-Fleuriot/611844223 Mike De Fleuriot

    Eye for an eye, I think it say in the bible somewhere. Maybe the atheist kids should start actively bullying christian kids. Hell, that just sounds so wrong. With regards to the Christian, being the better person is a very low bar to jump it seems. Just do not do the things that the Christian kids do and you will be on the way to being a decent person.
     

  • rock61

    The framers of the American
    Constitution, recognizing free exercise of religion as an unalienable right,
    secured its protection in the First Amendment to the Constitution. I am thankful
    and give all the Glory to God we have the funds to have our son in a private Christian
    school where he can pray, worship and connect with other like-minded students.
    Where he can embrace the true meaning of our Constitution, Declaration of Independence,
    the Flag and all the others documents that make this Nation exceptional. What
    most don’t know is the “New England Primer”, introduced in Boston in 1690 by
    Benjamian Harris was the first textbook printed in America. For a century after
    its introduction, it was the beginning textbook for students well into the twentieth
    century. The Founders, as well as millions of other Americans, learned to read
    from the Primer and the Bible.

    • NewDawn2006

      Point?

    • Findog

      Very well put Rock!!! lets see what the haters have to say.

    • Findog53

      Good job rock61, didn’t think I would hear anything.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paul-Murray/100000756111552 Paul Murray

    “That said”?!
    Why not “Full stop”?

    Or in it’s more formal form: “Having said that, … “. Straight away you know you are speaking english, because only the english could have invented a grammatical construct whose precise purpose is to bracket hypocrisy, to say “I only said the preceding because I know I am supposed to, I didn’t really mean it.”
     

  • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

    @49434621067f8c787d93da7acfe47199:disqus Disqus is having trouble so I’ll have to stick this up here.  People like to talk about the 
    New England Primer because of its theology.

    Many of its selections were drawn from the King James Bible and others were original. It embodied the dominant Puritan attitude and worldview of the day. Among the topics discussed are respect to parental figures, sin, and salvation. Some versions contained the Westminster Shorter Catechism; others contained John Cotton’s shorter catechism, known as Milk for Babes; and some contained both.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_England_Primer 

    ok, so this country was started by Puritans.  We know that.

    For a century after
    its introduction, it was the beginning textbook for students well into the twentieth
    century. 

    That doesn’t even make sense.  It was certainly not used well into the twentieth century.

    Just because kids in the 18th century in the USA were taught that

    In Adam’s fall
    We sinned all

    has no bearing on what makes good school curriculum today.  You know, they also thought disease was due to the devil or witchcraft.

  • http://astonysh-einenglaenderinfrankfurt.blogspot.de/ Tony S

    I am an old man now, and I left teaching in 1980. I recall though as a young teacher in England in 1974 renouncing participation in religious services (which were compulsory in schools in the UK – no separation of church and state) as I was an atheist, and the reaction that I got then. So I admire what Jessica Ahlqvist has gone through. And bullying is an important topic for her to address, though I hope that before long she can return to a “normal life”. Good luck, and let us all stay both reasoned and reasonable.

  • pittbullking87

    Well, if these religious types want prayer banners in public schools, let’s put up one that says something like, “In accordance with the teachings of the great prophet Mohammad, (peace and blessings be upon him,) let us endevor to be the best people we can be and excel in all we do. We do this in the name of the One true God, Allah, the beneficient and the merciful.” I wonder how that would grab them?


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