The Cool Hip Graphic Novel-y Truth for Youth Bible

TheAmazingAtheist has a blistering review of the Truth For Youth graphic novel Bible. I’m very tempted to order a copy now… (*So* not joking about that. You all know what to get me for Christmas now.)

Before you watch the video, here’s a preview of the book:

Amazing, right?!

TJ’s review includes NSFW language. Enjoy!



About Hemant Mehta

Hemant Mehta is the chair of Foundation Beyond Belief and a high school math teacher in the suburbs of Chicago. He began writing the Friendly Atheist blog in 2006. His latest book is called The Young Atheist's Survival Guide.

  • http://twitter.com/JJtheTVnewsguy James Jackson

    We should be distributing copies of these. “Truth for Youth” looks like it would do more to convince a young person to leave the church than every Dawkins book ever written.

    • http://twitter.com/fakemarcadler Marc Adler

      Religion is slowly dying out because of science, not because of self-righteous condescension from atheists, who do more harm than good.

      • Lewis Scaife

        so, marc, what’s your opinion on scientology?

        • http://twitter.com/fakemarcadler Marc Adler

          I like to joke that at least they don’t believe in supernatural beings (since it’s all aliens, which could possibly exist), but I really don’t know enough about it to comment. 

          I don’t think that believing aliens populated volcanoes (or whatever) is any crazier than the story in the gospels.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1078695333 David Kopp

            They believe in the supernatural. It’s the souls of those dead aliens that cause all sickness and mental unrest in the world.

            • http://twitter.com/fakemarcadler Marc Adler

              Ah, well there you go. 

      • Coyotenose

         Citation needed as to why your One True Method is the only thing that works.

        • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

          You won’t get it out of a Tone Troll.

  • http://twitter.com/fakemarcadler Marc Adler

    Why bother with this kind of thing? It’s such an utter waste of time. So these Christians believe crazy shit and deny science in certain areas. Guess what – atheists do, too! It’s a human trait to believe crazy shit and deny aspects of science we disagree with. 

    • PietPuk

      Examples please.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_722JM2BE6YISLQ3KWROXGHBBXQ Joe Mama

        Visit reddit.com/r/libertarian and you’ll see no shortage of magical thinking in the economic/moral arena from mostly secular folk.

        • The Other Weirdo

           You posted an example of what libertarians believe, assuming reddit is remotely accurate. The request was for the crazy shit atheists believe.

        • http://twitter.com/fakemarcadler Marc Adler

          No, socialism is a religion, because it denies economic reality in favor of magical made-up dreams and utopias. Socialists hate the free market for the same reason fundamentalists want to make sodomy illegal, for example. Both groups believe the world ought not to be the way it is, and think that they can pass laws to make it the way they want it. Both groups are wrong. There is reality. That’s all there is. Pretending otherwise leads to horror shows like the 20th century. 

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Evans/100000619020207 David Evans

            “the free market”
            You mean the Invisible Hand, that guarantees that if we all seek our individual interests we will all prosper? Didn’t do so well in 2008, did it?

            • The Other Weirdo

               In 2008? No, it didn’t. And not in quite a few other years. But overall, it has managed to provide a far better standard of living for more and more people than Socialism ever has. Hell, even the Soviet Union allowed capitalism in those areas where it mattered most, where it was far superior to Socialism: food production. China, too, has allowed capitalism in a limited, government-controlled form.

              • http://twitter.com/fakemarcadler Marc Adler

                “Capitalism pays for socialism.”

                • Grizzz

                  The two are not mutually exclusive. 

                  Canada has better financial mobility than the USA and Canada is a socialist country. The Scandinavian Nations have better quality of life, longevity, and financial mobility than the USA and they too are socialist nations.

                  AND, the USA is a socialist nation. Farm subsidies, professional sport’s teams subsidies, bee-keeper subsidies, etc….

                • Patterrssonn

                  I’ve said this before but I think that Ayn Rand is the perfect metaphor for how the libertarian state would end up, broke, friendless and dependent on socialism to bail it out.

              • Coyotenose

                 In other words, those countries shifted from Communism* to Socialism and did much better.

                *which is as equally fantastical and myth-supported as Capitalism. The ONLY difference in how crazy they are is that Capitalism can survive a little longer without government intervention. Or rather it could. Things move so fast now that the difference in survivability is trivial.

                • http://twitter.com/fakemarcadler Marc Adler

                  The greater the economic freedom, the better off everyone is. That’s true by any economic measure, in every country. 

                  What is it about economic freedom that so terrifies lefties anyway? You’re just letting people do what they want.

              • Patterrssonn

                That’s why socialist Canada is in so much worse economic shape than the US. If only our banks were deregulated like the american ones were…sorry I went all libertarian there, lost touch with reality a bit.

                • http://twitter.com/fakemarcadler Marc Adler

                  Canada is socialist? http://www.vancouversun.com/business/productiveconversations/Canada+rises+five+world+economic+freedom+ranking+plummets+18th/7261109/story.html

                • Patterrssonn

                  Sorry Sparky, you’ll have to do a lot better than a tabloid op ed if you want to argue that Canada isn’t socialist.

            • http://twitter.com/fakemarcadler Marc Adler

              David, let me give you an example. I’m a freelance translator. There is no governing body that sets translation rates, and yet for each language pair within each field, there is something like a consensus rate. It varies a bit, but it’s very stable. 

              Who sets those rates?

              2008 wasn’t about the free market. In a free market most of those banks would’ve collapsed years ago before they got so big. What we have now (esp. now after the bailouts) is a form of regulatory capture. The banks get regulated with the guarantee that they will be bailed out if something goes wrong. Since innovation in finance is a good thing, innovation occurs, making the regulations obsolete (before the ink dries). And yet the bailout guarantee remains. 

              That’s lunacy. Let the banks do what they want and suffer the consequences if they do something stupid. They will not grow massive and any failures will not have catastrophic consequences for the economy as a whole.

              • Raising_Rlyeh

                Oh please. That is a bullshit idea that a totally laissez faire economic system would prevent businesses from becoming too large. Walmart is one example of a company that defies that logic. Monopolies exist under totally free capitalism. If given a chance walmart would drive ever single competitor out of business and then, because they are worth a couple billion, would charge people whatever they want.  

                Socialists hate the free market for the same reason fundamentalists want to make sodomy illegal, for example.

                You have no grasp on the idea of what socialism is do you? 

                • http://twitter.com/fakemarcadler Marc Adler

                  Ignorance of economics is the left’s answer to the right’s ignorance of evolution. I get that heavy feeling in my stomach when I get into these discussions with socialists or creationists because I know that no amount of evidence will convince them that their utopian visions aren’t real. 

                • http://www.flickr.com/photos/chidy/ chicago dyke, Back in the Lair

                  sorry, marc but it is you who is displaying the ignorance here. you obviously have no understanding of just how “socialist” our government really is… when it comes to corporations who not only pay no taxes, but are given taxpayer-provided bonus money under messed up corporate tax laws. or of how the rich get essentially the same treatment while the working poor pay a ~60% taxation rate for every real dollar they earn. or of the subsidies to Big Agra corporations at the expense of the family farmer… i can go on and on. we don’t live in a capitalist system and haven’t for a longtime. do some research and understand how heavily “socialist” our country is wrt selected, conservative i might add, industries. and turn off your TV. you’ve obviously bought into a lot of propaganda that subsidized and “socialistic” media corporations are feeding you.

                • http://twitter.com/fakemarcadler Marc Adler

                  *eyeroll*

          • Patterrssonn

            You’re right, the only real utopian dream is libertarian. Only by the purity of the free market unfouled by satanic government interference can we be saved.

            • Grizzz

              You know, you do your country a disservice. Just by being such a tool you give Canada a back eye.

              I grew up 11 miles from the border. I grew up with learning French Canadian and English and I am a Yank. I went to graduate school in Canada. I lived in Montreal for a couple of years as well. 

              I took film classes in Vancouver and was fortunate enough to live in that fantastic city as well. 

              To this day, the Southern Yukon is one of my favo(u)rite places on the planet; and I am fortunate in that I can say I have summited Mt. Logan, a very VERY difficult peak to bag.

              I have been to just about every nook and cranny of your wonderful and fantastic country. I bleed Maple Syrup and Love Love Love Canada, and most Canadians – but you….you are just an ass. You give that fantastic and wonderful country a big ol’ black eye just by being alive.

              Sad, because Canada is freaking fantastic.

              • Patterrssonn

                I’m British too, have you ever been to Britain

                • Grizzz

                  Many times. I was over there about seven months ago. Spent three weeks there this time, and I manage to get over the Britain about once every two years. SOmetimes it is for work, other times for pleasure – sometimes I am just passing through on my way to other destinations. It is OK, but it is too crowded and stuffy.

                  I do like Scotland tremendously – not Britain I know, but Scotland reminds me of the area I grew up in. And I love the Scots – could be because I am half Scot in heritage – ancestors from the Glasgow area (and I am about 1/3 Norwegian as well with the remaining part French Huguenot).

                  Britain is OK but not the greatest place I’ve been. But, it has its charms.

      • http://twitter.com/fakemarcadler Marc Adler

        Do you believe black people have lower IQs than white people? If you don’t, you’re a science denier, since the science is pretty much settled. 

        I have no problem “denying science,” because science is a method, not an answer. 

        • PietPuk

          Citations please.

          • http://twitter.com/fakemarcadler Marc Adler

            “IQ tests performed in the United States have consistently demonstrated a significant degree of variation between different racial groups, with the average score of those with African ancestry lower than that of European ancestry and the average score of those with East Asian ancestry being higher than that of European ancestry. While the existence of racial IQ gaps is well-documented and not subject to much dispute, there is no consensus among researchers as to their cause.”
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence

            Anything else you want me to google for you?

            • PietPuk

              “The concept of intelligence and the degree to which it is measurable is and has been a matter of discussion. Psychology, a psychology textbook by Schacter et al., argue that while there is a general consensus within western science about how to define intelligence, the concept of intelligence as something that can be unequivocally measured by a single figure is not universally accepted.[37] A recurring criticism is that different societies value and promote different kinds of skills and that the concept of intelligence is therefore culturally variable and cannot be measured the same in different societies.[37] Consequently, some critics argue that proposed relationships to other variables are necessarily tentative.[38]“

              • http://twitter.com/fakemarcadler Marc Adler

                And?

                Sounds to me like you’re denying science, Piet.

                • PietPuk

                  And.. this means there is no consensus on how intelligence is measured. 
                  Do you, or do you not understand that?

                • http://twitter.com/fakemarcadler Marc Adler

                  These discussions always turn into a reading comprehension lesson. 

                  “there is a general consensus within western science about how to define intelligence”
                  “While the existence of racial IQ gaps is well-documented and not subject to much dispute, there is no consensus among researchers as to their cause.”Remember, I take the perfectly reasonable stance that questioning the entire basis for a field of science is fine. To someone like you, someone who applies that attitude to evolution (which, remember, is not obvious) is a knuckle-dragging science-denier. When you demonstrate skepticism towards a field of science whose results you don’t like, you’re enlightened, though. I recommend you follow up with your research about the cultural relativity of intelligence. You’ll find that in basically every life outcome (marriage, divorce, income, self-scored happiness, longevity, etc., etc., etc.) intelligence correlates. That’s how they define intelligence, basically, in the field. It’s all statistics. These aren’t fringe racists. These are cognitive scientists working at all the prestigious universities. 

                • PietPuk

                  In western society maybe. 
                  Others have pointed out the difference between social science other types of science.

                • http://www.flickr.com/photos/chidy/ chicago dyke, Back in the Lair

                  marc obviously doesn’t know that the average IQ in several asian countries is significantly higher than in the white population of the US. iirc Japan’s average is 10 points higher than white folks here. 

                • Grizzz

                  AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH OH MY GAWD YOU RACIST…..HOWDAREYOU TELL ME SOME RACEIS BETTER THAN ANOTHER…..

                  *sarcasm*

        • Dan

          Marc, You think that is settled science? Well I guess you proved your point about people believing stupid stuff.

          Also you said you have no problem denying science since it is a method. Are you seriously denying the scientific method? If not you need to work on your writing clarity, as well as your critical thinking skills.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6OE7LEYELE4MZTVXGZUSVTBFUI julie

          Social science is not nearly as reliable as other types of science. Debating the results or questioning them to dig deeper into the reasons is not at all the same as denying science.
          Also, those results don’t necessarily mean that they have a lower IQ. All that they indicate is that they performed worse on IQ tests. And yes, that could be a significant difference.

          • Brian Pansky

             and so many other things.  If  some meaningful definition of intelligence is used and somehow we find biological factors that partition black people as having less of it, I’d still want to check how legit the study was.

        • Coyotenose

           As many, MANY researchers have pointed out – and in fact I just saw this a little while ago while rereading Jerry Coyne – the only way to “settle” such a question would be randomized long-term testing on people, starting with newborns and essentially treating them like chimps. No, it isn’t settled. The only thing that is actually settled is that the tests are ridiculously biased and education in the U.S. is extremely racially lopsided. Try again.

        • Grizzz

          But we have to be intellectual honest when the results give us something we may not like, such as this case. We want to believe we all have equal abilities, but we do not. Facts are, some races have different abilities that are greater than others. This is not a judgement, but because it makes us feel all icky, we feel this facts need to be hidden or distilled.

          If we are to be truly intellectually honest, we must accept these things. This is not to say we must accept that these differences should be used to oppress; we just need to be aware of fact and try to figure out how to proceed with them.

    • Coyotenose

       People don’t believe stupid things because they’re atheists. Try again.

  • Artor

    This looks pretty funny, and normally, I’d love to hear a blistering take-down of Xtian schlock like this. Unfortunately, The Amazing Atheist was responsible for a particularly egregious bit of misogynistic rape-wishing, and I can’t, in good conscience, give him the benefit of my page-views. If you look up his rant, I think you’ll agree with me. He was pretty far over the line, and shouldn’t be encouraged.

    • http://www.quietatheist.com/ Slugsie

      Agreed. I used to be a big fan of TJ, then he went off on that misogynistic rant and lost me completely. I’ve not looked back so I have no idea if he has ever recanted or retracted, or even apologised.

    • Sarah

      Wow, I thought he seemed a bit excessively vitriolic in *this* video. Reading some of the other things he’s written he sounds like a complete tool. 

    • Grizzz

      Hey Artor, could you give a link for the AA entry that was that bad?

      Thanks

      • Grizzz

        Cancel that request Artor, I found it.

        • Artor

          Oh good. I thought I was going to have to wade through his MRA bullshit to find the link for you. Thanks for saving me the trouble and the grinding teeth.

    • A–

      What a crock of shit.  He said something you didn’t like about a completely unrelated topic, therefore he can’t be listened to about anything.

      • Grizzz

        I dunno, on this one – and after reading the transcript of AA’s rant – I have to kinda agree here. AA’s rant was very over the top and lacking in any irony or subtle comedic effect.

        Based on his rant, I would say I probably would not read more of his stuff.

        However, I would also be willing to concede that he was provoked a bit and he lost his temper. We have all lost our temper and said things we regret at certain times, so if that is the case I would say I understand. Again though, based on his truly vile rant, I would stay away from him.

        There is a difference between being a snarky, pissy dill weed (like me) and being just full of hate and threats. His calling for the rape of the poster is over the top. 

        • A–

          Don’t get me wrong, the dude’s definitely an asshole.  My point is just that assholes, like broken clocks, are still occasionally right.

          • Artor

            There are plenty of people making excellent, thoughtful & insightful points without diverging into noxious, misogynistic  rape fantasies. I don’t owe jack shit to TJ, and I feel in no way obligated to dignify his “good” points by glossing over the towering pile of shit he buries them under.

      • Artor

        The topic may be unrelated, but his rant reveals alot about his thought processes and his general integrity as a human being. Namely, that he’s a piece of shit that I don’t want to listen to, even if he does rip on other pieces of shit.

    • Greg

      fuck you you pathetic bitch. This is a shit book lying to children and TJ is known for vulgar ranting and this is why people like him if you don’t then don’t watch the videos or even comment because nobody sentimental value gives a fuck.

      • Deven Kale

        Ah yes, lovely word salad, with a sprinkling of misogyny to keep it nice and spicy. You’re a great word chef, I haven’t had a salad such as yours in quite some time. Thank you!

  • Adi Rule

    Hobbes!! :)

    Also, Hobbes sometimes wears jams. That makes him even cooler.

  • Brian Pansky

    Um…TJ?  I’d like to see him getting ridicule on this blog like republicans get.  Not support like Edward Tarte gets.

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/TheAmazingAtheist

    • A–

      You think he’s an asshole for some things he’s said about unrelated topics, and he definitely is.  That doesn’t mean you have to bring it up literally anytime he’s mentioned; that would just be annoying borderline stupid.

      • Grizzz

        Sorta kinda here A—. I have to say that after reading AAs stuff, he seems to be a very dangerous and TOO angry dude. You simply don’t call for the rape of someone the way he did. There was no “context” to his statements. They were pure anger and aggression.

        And I am one of those “loathsome” “MRA” advocates. Yes, horrors, I feel men have rights too…..

        • A–

          I didn’t say anything about men’s rights (btw, I’m a man, baby!), so I’m not sure where that came from. 

          Anyways, the dude can definitely be a huge asshole but that doesn’t make him wrong about everything.  I think by this point people who would see one of his videos pretty much know that he’s aggressive-bordering-on-assholish, so there’s not a lot to be gained by complaining about him every time he’s mentioned.

          • Grizzz

            I was just adding that I was an advocate for men’s rights as illustration over how over the top AAs rant was.

            As for anyone who wants to chide or deride ANYONE for having MRA views, well, they can go **** themselves. To think that we don’t have rights, or have the right to advocate for ourselves is asinine and dangerous.

        • http://www.facebook.com/NateHevens Nathan Hevenstone

           Just need to say this, then I’ll leave it alone:

          I, as a man, believe that men have rights, too. I think the way men can be treated in this society (men can’t be raped/sexually harassed [especially not by a woman], men almost always pay child support, women are favored in divorce court and child custody battles, husbands are portrayed in commercials as doofuses and idiots when in the home, male virgins are broken and need to be fixed, etc) is absolutely horrible and sad. And yes, misandry is a real thing.

          And so I am a Feminist Ally.

      • Brian Pansky

        I currently don’t bring it up anytime he’s mentioned (especially not literally).  I bring it up whenever there is an audience of people who may not know that information about him.  If people are discovering his videos for the first time, they may have use for that information.

        It also would not “just” be annoying borderline stupid.  That is only your personal view, it does not reflect all views or limit the effect such action would have.

  • Bryan Gillis

    For anyone wondering about the citation in the comic, 2 Timothy 2:22 says: “Flee the evil desires of youth and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, along with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart.” It’s basically a catch-all prohibition against anything you might actually enjoy.

    • Kaydenpat

      Ha!  You’re very funny, but I wouldn’t interpret that text as a prohibition on everything enjoyable. 

  • jdm8

    2 Timothy 2:22  New International Version (NIV)22 Flee the evil desires of youth and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, along with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
     
    Huh. Doesn’t fit, I’m pretty sure a lot of old people like porn too.

  • http://www.daylightatheism.org/ Adam Lee

    This “Amazing Atheist” person is the same guy who deliberately tried to trigger a rape victim, right? Yep, I think that’s him:

    http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/02/08/the-not-so-amazing-atheist-self-immolates/

    I’m sure this Bible is silly and absurd, but he has no moral credibility to be criticizing it.

    • Grizzz

      Adam, you don’t have any moral credibility either. I could cite examples, but as much as I agree about AA – you sir, are no moral barometer either. In fact Adam, you are a loathsome and very Orwellian jackass.

      • nfq

         ”I could cite examples, but” … but, what? You’d rather make baseless accusations without the burden of having to make any kind of sense?

        • Patterrssonn

          Making sense isn’t Griz’s strong point. He’s more of an impotent bombast kind of guy.

    • Grizzz

      And I look forward to seeing you at St. Louis.

  • Rikard Molander

    Huh. 2 Timothy 2:22 seems to me more like a text warning you not to pick fights with people. The line about “youthful passions” is really taken out of context here. 

    • koseighty

      What?!?  A Christian group taking scripture out of context?  Not possible.

  • Tiffany Brown

    Holy eff, I had this bible when I was a teenager. I completely forgot about it. 

  • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

    What?  Nothing about the complete technological fail of “doesn’t your dad’s webserver“?

    • Coyotenose

       Hey, you’re right. WTF? Why are these people always so clueless about everything everywhere?

    • Cincinatheist

      This is exactly what I thought. Especially as a software engineer. I was all like “wait, his dad runs a webserver full of porn? Sweet! Of course he doesn’t ‘lock anyone out’ otherwise he won’t make any money!”

  • Thinktink

    This guy would be irritating no matter what he was saying. he’s a tool even with the volume off.

  • Raising_Rlyeh

    Umm, I have to ask this: who watches porn in front of their friend? 

    • Concerned Citizen

      It would have to be a very good friend.

      • Deven Kale

         I did back when I was a teenager. After all, watching porn doesn’t mandate masturbation. That’s something that I think a lot of people get wrong. A person can watch something pornographic purely for entertainment value without making it a sexual event for themselves rather easily.

    • Coyotenose

       I have a friend who will nonchalantly watch porn in front of people. But he can watch the same thing for arousal, laughs, formal critique, or just for background noise. I have no clue.

    • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

      I can’t be the only one here who has sat and snarked at porn.

      • Snarky McSnarkison

        Yes, but for you I would imagine it would be very easy to masturbate, what with the built in vibrations and all.

    • http://www.facebook.com/AnonymousBoy Larry Meredith

      Guys do?
      I did with my friend when I was young. When your going through puberty and get super horny with very little opportunity to see anything sexually stimulating, you will take the opportunity to look at porn with a friend if needed. Also, as someone said earlier, watching porn doesn’t mandate masturbation.

      • OregoniAn

         Guys totally do . . at least the guys I grew up with pre-internetz. I fondly remember in my early teens running across a large cache of Playboys back at the turn of the eighties.. My best friend and I took it upon ourselves to cut out all of the “features” and sell them to our fellow students. We made a ridiculous amount of money through this venture.

        Our clientele consisted of everyone from conservative Christians, two Mormons, to a whole lot of “who knows who cares” kids.. (like me at the time..)  It was a lot of innocent fun. I don’t recall seeing any of us growing up perverted in any way because of this. Porn is porn, but we also had comic books, football and Mork & Mindy to occupy our time..

        . . . wonder what that Mindy’s up to these days?

    • Raising_Rlyeh

      I guess you are right. I’ve watched porn before with friends, but it was the kind that was so god-awful it’s funny. Stonewall and riot is one that my friends and I enjoy laughing our asses off at. Along with that I am a huge fan of brad jones and all the shitty porn he watches. 

  • koseighty

    Dude calls his dad “Pops.”  lol

    • http://www.facebook.com/AnonymousBoy Larry Meredith

       Oh geeze thank FSM… I thought that was a sound effect for him popping a load.

  • Steven Olsen

    Plugging the Amazing Atheist? Come on, I know you have better standards than that.

    • Brian Pansky

       agreed.  good critical discussion, or awesome satire, or cursing rants, can be done by lots of people.  It can be done without advertising this guy.

  • http://friendlyatheist.com Richard Wade

    The kid who wants to look at the porn bears an uncanny resemblance to this guy:
    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2007/10/30/what-does-a-non-christian-look-like/

  • m6wg4bxw

    Per Wikipedia, “An ad hominem […] is an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or unrelated belief of the person supporting it.”

    • Deven Kale

      It’s hard to tell since you didn’t post this as a response to whatever your referencing, but I assume you’re talking about people saying the amazing atheist isn’t a good example to use. Unfortunately, they’re not guilty of using an Ad Hominem fallacy because they’re not saying that this book is okay because the Amazing Atheist is against it. They’re simply asking why he was used at all when there are quite obviously many other sources to get the same type of review from.

      The Amazing Atheist is (in my opinion as well) a terrible person, and linking to one of his videos just encourages him through those views. The main reason we’re making this complaint is to hopefully convince Hemant to avoid linking to him in the future. Nobody is using this argument against the Amazing Atheist in favor of the “Truth for Youth Bible,” which is what would make it the fallacy you imply.

      • m6wg4bxw

        I avoided any direct accusation because the line on this isn’t always clear, and  it tends to ruffle feathers, moreso than I care to deal with.

        In my opinion, some of the comments about TheAmazingAtheist’s previous actions, and his diminished credibility because of them, were looking like the fallacy had been comitted, or nearly so.

        My understanding of the fallacy is that of diminishing or disregarding one’s argument because of a character flaw of the arguer. If I properly understand, you claim that affirmation of the opposite of the argument is required to commit the fallacy. I currently disagree with you, but acknowledge possible error on my part.

  • http://www.facebook.com/AnonymousBoy Larry Meredith

    Just to negate all the nay-sayers, I’m going to praise Hemant for showing this. Too many people here just want to blast Hemant for daring to give mention of TJ. I’m not a fan, he’s obviously performed dirtbag behaviour in the past that he never even apologized for (as someone with OCD I take personal offence to someone who would deliberately cause triggering), but sometimes he’s very right and can make his point in an entertaining way. Even Richard Dawkins made a misogynistic comment before that got the atheist blogosphere all riled up (and he didn’t apologize either). I thank Hemant for not holding a grudge about it.

    • Kaydenpat

      What was Dawkins’ misogynistic comment?  When he wrote the letter from the point of view of a Muslim woman during elevatorgate? 

      • http://www.facebook.com/AnonymousBoy Larry Meredith

        Yes.

  • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

    Hemant (or other person in charge), can we please ban the morphing troll? This continued bullying behavior is really not cool, and needs to stop. Now.

    • Deven Kale

      I know you’re talking about me, and I’m surprised you’d call me a “morphing troll.” I’m simply tired of this Foster character and wish he would leave, or at the very least stop posting. But, if you’d like, I’ll simply ignore him from now on and hope he leaves on his own because I do have a lot of respect for you and what you have to say.

      • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

        I think you have the wrong thread.

        • Deven Kale

           Good point, it’s not the thread I thought it was. Still though, even if she’s not talking about me, I’m tired of acting (and feeling) like a jerk. It’s not really my thing, and it doesn’t seem like it was all that effective anyway.

          I apologize to everybody that was bothered by that. It won’t happen again.

          • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

            Again, it wasn’t directed at you. It was directed at Grizzz, a.k.a. Snarky McSnarkerson (and probably has a few other sockpuppets as well.) This guy is consistently misogynist and ableist, and I’m fucking tired of being his personal target for verbal abuse.

            • Deven Kale

              Okay, now I know what you’re talking about. This Grizzz guy’s been getting on my nerves as well, and I hadn’t noticed that behavior from him. It’s a bit hypocritical of me to say this now, but I would agree that something needs to be done about him.

              • Grizzz

                Rigggghhhttt…Don’t like something? SOmething make you uncomfortable? Instead of pressing the little “-” sign in the corner to make the problem magically disappear, no, too easy, try getting SOMEONE else to do your dirty work and try and ban/censor. Nice. That makes you cowards, pussies, cliquish, childish and wimps.

                Grow the fuck up and deal with your problems on your own. Wtahc this…..go to the right hand corner of the text box on my posts…..you still with me? Okay, good…..now, find that little “-” sign…..still with me? GOOOOOOOD I knew you could do it, now, do it with me, you ready? Go ahead and clic……….

                (see now I magically disappear from your screen.) Magic. And a solution for you and the delicate flowers…..

                • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

                  No. I am requesting your bannination because YOU ARE A BULLY.

                • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson
                • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

                  Victim-blaming.

                • Grizzz

                  That is your stock and trade pumpkin.

                  And I notice you will not respond to simply asking to debate without vitriol, either on your side or mine. Why is that? 

                • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

                  Somepeople embrace it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyMWxX0YIpk

                • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

                  Yep, that applies to Grizzz/Fsq/Snarky McSnarkerson or whatever his sockpuppet is today.

                  I have done nothing more than call out his misogyny and his bullying, and he has responded by targeting me, specifically, for abuse based on my gender and my disability. Behavior that is both immoral AND ILLEGAL.

                  I’m disgusted that you, of all people, are stooping to his level and joining in on the bullying and victim blaming.

                • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

                  oh quit whining http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2PKdDOjooA#t=2m5s

                • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

                   I’m not the one bullying people, here. And you should be ashamed of yourself for supporting an abuser.

                • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

                  Liar.

            • Grizzz

              You are one of the most abusive and foul-mouthed posters on this blog kitten, and you have the shakey stones to try and call someone ELSE out for the same behavior? Chick, double standards and hypocrisy is YOU.

              • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

                I’m not the one bullying people.

                • Grizzz

                  Oh kitten, would you like me to go into the wayback machine and play C’pn cut and paste with your Top 40 hits of bullying, name calling and vitriol? Because you are one of the worst offenders here. And you are a fucking WIMP. 

                  You, little girl, routinely attack, call names and bully anyone you feel does not represent your views 100-percent and then you have the ovaries to try and claim the victim card?

                  You are a sick little twisted coward.

          • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

            For what it’s worth, and I haven’t followed all of it closely, but you haven’t come off as a jerk to me.

      • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

        I wasn’t talking about you.

        I was referring to the morphing asshole that keeps using my disability status to mock me, specifically by referring to me as “shakes” and making crude comments like “Yes, but for you I would imagine it would be very easy to masturbate, what with the built in vibrations and all.”

        • Patterrssonn

          Thanks Kitty, I suspected that Grizz was a more pathetic version of Fsq.

    • Grizzz

      You PUSSY! You are the worst! You constantly derail people, spit vile and insults/profanity and when it gets directed at you you whine and bitch? You are a coward, pussy and horrible person for such double standard BS. 

      You are a foul little thing. And if you do not like what someone writes, guess what? You have the power to press the little “-” sign in the corner and make the comment boxes disappear! Magic! But NoooOOoooOoooo that is not good enough for little cowards like yourself. You want someone else to clean up YOUR mess! You constantly spit vile, names, profanity, insults and worse at anyone you feel is against you, yet when it happens to you your lower lip quivers, and your crawl onto Hemant’s lap curling your widdle hair going “Daddy, da big bad men are insulting me…..make it stop….” all while shedding tears of insincerity and manipulation.

      Shame on you you foul little thing. Grow up and take the heat if you are going to throw fire balls yourself.

    • Grizzz

      It should also be noted that patterssonn follows me around this blog and bullies me to no end; in fact, he crawls so far up my ass routinely I am thinking of asking him to check me for polyps to save me a little money. However, I am not calling for his removal or head on a platter because I simply IGNORE HIM. Amazing how that works isn’t it? And yes, he does seem to follow me around and stalk me here, but whatever….

      AND, it bears noting – and this is important here – have you ever ONCE asked me to ool it with regards to you? Have you ever said, “you know, we go at it a lot and I have called you names, and you called me names. How about we just call it quits on the names and such and just debate or argue without the vitriol?”

      No. No you haven’t. And here is the thing kitten, if you were to do that, you know what my response would be? Okay. I will do that.

      But you continue to be a fire ball blasting harpy. So, if you continue that behavior I will defend and fight back. But, if you truly want to have a little peace, the ball is in your court. Ask nicely and I will, of course, agree to tone it down were you are concerned, provided of course that you do the same.

      What’s it going to be kitten? 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6OE7LEYELE4MZTVXGZUSVTBFUI julie

      Agreed.
      Grizzz: “but I understand, it is so hard being a woman today, so hard in fact that reason and logic get suspended in a flood of estrogen.”
      This guy is pathetic.

      • Grizzz

        Get your feelings hurt? Deal with it. You do not have the right to not be offended. There is a post here right now that is dealing with issues of NOT censoring, yet here you are, calling for someone you do not like to be censored.

        You idiots are sick puppies. 

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6OE7LEYELE4MZTVXGZUSVTBFUI julie

          It’s not just that I don’t like you, it’s that you are going out of your way to insult and get an emotional reaction out of people. You spew misogynist insults and then get offended when we get offended? How about avoid the insults in the first place? Think them all you want, but if you say them, we will be very offended. How about just argue with someone like everyone else manages just fine here?

          • Grizzz

            julie,

            fair enough and point taken. I will try and debate/argue without the tone you do not like. Seriously. That is all it takes. I will respect you request.

            • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

              I told you waaay back when you were posting as Fsq to STOP CALLING ME SHAKES, and you continue to do it.

              Now, RESPECT MY REQUEST, or go fuck yourself with a cactus.

              • NoConsistency

                So the other guy gets censored, yet you allow this ball of venom to stay? Hemant, you are disgusting!

                • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6OE7LEYELE4MZTVXGZUSVTBFUI julie

                  So someone consistently goes around making misogynist comments to women whenever they get in an argument with him and targets someone for jokes about a disability, and then when a woman gets offended and eventually insults back, she’s supposed to be banned to?
                  Should people also be charged with assault for self-defense?

                • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

                  Plus, I never claimed to be a freakin’ SAINT — I’m flawed, and I admit it.

                  Thing is, there’s only so much button-pushing I can take, and I’m tired of being abused for nothing more than having the ovaries to speak my mind.

                • GuestyPoo

                  You have been one of the most abusive pieces of excrement on this site and the others you follow/post at. Yes Shawna, I have seen your work elsewhere and you are a nasty little piece of bitter shit.

                  And for you to cry victim is akin to the rapist claiming he/she is the victim and not the raped.

                  You are a horrible piece of work Shawna. A horrible piece of work.

                • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

                  You. Are. A. Liar.

                  You DELIBERATELY TRIGGER PEOPLE, and then whine and moan when someone you targeted finally stands up for themselves. YOU are the abuser, YOU are the bully, and YOU NEED TO STOP. So stop trying to push this all on me like you’re a fucking victim, because you are NOT a victim. You are an ABUSER.

                • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

                  You DELIBERATELY TRIGGER PEOPLE

                • GuestyPoo

                  julie, this goes back much further than this thread. Little Shawna here has been one of the nastiest and meanest pieces of work around here, and to suggest she is the victim is ludicrous. Go and read some of her great moments where she goes into vile and spittle mode without being insulted or pushed. No, sorry, where Shawna is concerned, she is an insincere little bully who is trying to lay a victim card well too late. She opened this door by being a vile and nasty piece of work, so your argunent falls apart due to the historic evidence.

                • Deven Kale

                   Grizzz, you’ve got it completely backwards. The vast majority of the posts that I’ve seen from wmdkitty have been attacking the idea that a person is talking about, and far less often the person. You, on the other hand, have a history of attacking the person behind the idea, and not the idea. This is the reason why she called to have you banned.

                  It’s also the reason why I seconded that motion by saying I thought something had to be done as well. I didn’t care if it was just a warning or worse, but this is Hemants blog and he made the decision to ban you. Now if you would please stop with the bullying, recognize that you’re no longer welcome here, and let us get back to actually discussing real issues that would be great.

                • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

                  Thank you.

                • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

                  Liar.

                  And also, you’ve been banned. Please to be returning to your little bridge now, Trolly-poo.

        • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

          Keep talking, you’re only proving that you’re a bully.

        • http://www.facebook.com/NateHevens Nathan Hevenstone

           Your right to free speech a) only applies in the United States of America (and any other country that has such a freedom), and NOT online on an INTERNATIONAL forum, and b) does NOT protect you from the CONSEQUENCES of your speech.

    • Baby_Raptor

      Seconding this.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/FDGYHBEWVNGUG763L5X4TON3JQ Nazani14

    I liked the comic cell that said “It’s God’s fault for making women so fun to look at!”   


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