Ken Ham: Look at How I’ve Brainwashed the Children!

The Creation Museum’s Ken Ham is so jealous that Bill Nye‘s anti-Creationism video has racked up millions of YouTube hits (compared to his group’s fraction of that) that he has doubled-down on his efforts to indoctrinate children:

Yesterday, in Lawrenceville, Georgia, we were thrilled to see several hundredkids pouring into North Metro Baptist church for our school assemblies. I just love teaching the children the truth about dinosaurs — that they were made on the sixth day of creation alongside Adam and Eve. I love to teach them how to think correctly about origins based on Job 38:4. I.e., when someone says “millions of years,” these children will now know to ask politely, “Were you there?” Oh, the secularists hate me teaching children the correct way of thinking. They go ballistic, knowing kids are being taught think in the right way concerning the truth about origins.

I made sure all these young people understand that God created the universe in six literal days about six thousand years ago and that most of the fossils came from the Flood about 4,300 years ago. Yes, thousands upon thousands of children are learning the truth, and we are making sure that we can reach as many children and young people as we can, including at our Creation Museum. Bill Nye, who is really the “Humanist guy,” is out to get kids and brainwash them into secularism and atheism. We need to do all we can to capture these kids for the Lord Jesus Christ.

This plan will, of course, backfire on him.

At some point in the future, a pastor is going to teach these children that Christ rose from the dead.

I can’t wait for a little kid in the congregation to yell out, “Were you there?”

About Hemant Mehta

Hemant Mehta is the editor of Friendly Atheist, appears on the Atheist Voice channel on YouTube, and co-hosts the uniquely-named Friendly Atheist Podcast. You can read much more about him here.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/godvlogger?feature=results_main GodVlogger

    The final line of the article was boat-loads of awesomeness!

    I would *love* to hear the little christian kids respond to the resurrection story with his own “Were you there?” retort.

    • ortcutt

      They will come back with “You need faith in our Lord”.  Their goal isn’t to put religion on a solid epistemic basis.  The goal is to try to drag science down to the level of religion and thereby deprive it of the advantage that it has over religion.  Why do you think that religious people say “Science requires faith” so much?

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Adam-Patrick/100000027906887 Adam Patrick

        I’ve actually read Ham’s response to someone doing this(pity me). He basically said that even if he wasn’t there, God was, and God wrote it down in the Bible. 

        • pagansister

           So God wrote it down in the Bible?  Wonder if HE  used Crayola crayons?   Ham is a piece of work!  How can he possibly believe the garbage he is spewing?????

          • Robster

            Sad, people do but only when they want to believe.

          • Psyzmixx

            True that. If God wrote the bible, then why did he send Jesus as his only begotten son to die for humanity. If God can write on the material realm, why didn’t he show us his love through himself dying on the material realm as well!

            I mean if you send us your son because materialistically God himself couldn’t be of that realm, how you gonna write within it. If you know you are going to rise again after death, it then cannot be called death because that isn’t dying.. but more like reincarnating into a new existence of being.

            If you want people to know you so bad why not cut the bullshit and give us a choice of truth.. being phrased in a intentional method any seeker of the sort would seek to use in making this determination, YES OR NO?

            If Jesus didn’t write the bible why not? If you worship him then I would understand how using the bible as truth could work if the text is from him. But the text is 3rd person in New testament, and from people who made relative visions within their own minds, a accepted reality to those who lacked the ability to sell himself as a beacon of hope.

            Lastly, If God wants you to know him and the way of doing this is through faith, why is he separating himself to the extent we simply cannot completely in this materialistic world know? 

            If God wants all to serve Him, and for us to know him more… I think looking at yourself would be the best resource you could get… for does not man also want the same thing? Egocentric love that punishes or makes a judgement is not love the bible says, and then it tells you get ready Gods about to judge you and cast you into hell if you didn’t make the right decision… what decision is it talking about? The one he gave you? No the decision man produced through his own interpretation to use in order to get what all men want to get, money, power, control, greed, and a statue to go with it so their purpose in life is remembered.

            oh but wait, that is what God wants to isn’t it, your loyalty without question to what you were ordered to do which would create your desired result being the fiery hell where God will lock you inside so you are tortured yet cannot die. In other words, God loves you so much he has given you a choice to serve him or suffer.. where Satan rules. 

            What we know about Satan is told to us through the bible, yet with rational thinking did Satan seek to execute God or question why they couldn’t be equal to one another. He QUESTIONED God and God tortures him by separating himself from Satan, yet if God was to make himself separate.. they must have been a whole at one point.

            So why would God seek the path of what is an actual hate and evil, instead of that a righteous man would do… like i don’t know.. awnser Satans question in the loving understanding a true love would make through desire to teach Satan through teaching him the awnser through his question in a method less hateful.

            Look for understanding in ways you have not been told to do so by the common interests that seek greed and power.. because theres one thing for sure, you are told what the teller wants you to hear and no more, it best suits his earthy interests in means of keeping you proficient enough to execute what he tells you, but not to threaten his controlling position above you which is something he knows you don’t.

            Truth comes from your own knowledge of unbiased research in desire to grow within, which is a sin in the bible. Which uses fear to control, and controls to be the Number 1 our egos so desire for us to be. It is ego which is evil, not a question from lack of understanding. As it is evil to judge or imprison another for your own benefit of the tool which is formed from the torture of another… that being a tool of fear (fear is not of God is it? The all-knowing need not fear I would think, oh unless you doubt your own ability of knowing all which means by the actions God took in the fear creating concept of imprisoning all those who seeked knowledge in filling the void to know why must we serve and not all love and be equal to another. Now unintentionally I realized I’m telling a concept that sound just like the authorities who tell you how to think so you don’t think. Oh WAIT IT IS THE SAME THING!!! Ok you guys keep connecting dots,dots that are there for you to realize and discover, with experience leading the way and what you are told only a consideration to contemplate amongst what you have built within your own thinking skills. Is that not the only way to grow? Please don’t awnser to that with growing in God where we can not express the desire to understand, as a response.. you are limited therefore until you realize if questioning leads to power, yet questioning lead to hell, you are in servitude by servitude what doesn’t want you to understand because what POWER and GREED can we get from that?

            If Satan is evil then the judgement which manipulated the evil to not think for himself is worse. Satan i’m sure would tell you he doesn’t understand how one could use others by blocking understanding from them for controling them.

            I don’t know about u guys but I think the bible got it wrong, I don’t love Satan nor do I hate him.. why? I havent gotten his side of the story yet and judging without understanding is a sin. Yet sadly the bible will contradict the point it makes so you keep seeking within the prison created for you, and as long as this predesigned thinking you were told to think doesn’t seek for the freedom to live as if your life depended on it, you may never have the courage to break the gates of fear which have been used by the all loving punisher who loves you so much he demands you to follow or get tortured. BREAK THE BUBBLE PEEPS LOOK WITHIN AND AROUND BUT KNOW WITHIN AND USE THE WITHOUT AS A TOOL TO ADJUST OUR UNDERSTANDING AS WE GROW

        • rhodent

          The obvious follow-up to that is “God wrote the Bible?  How do you know?  Were you there?”

    • Agnostic

      The ‘were you there’ question cut both ways. Since you were not there you could not have known what actually happened either. Since you are not the scientist doing the experiments and gathering the data or fossils, you would not know if the science establishment were telling the truth as well. So, it is a matter of what and who you choose to believe. That is called faith.

      Even as a non-Christian, I read the accounts of creation and Adam and Eve as allegorical. I doubt many Christians take such stories literally as Ken Ham. Many people of high intellect do believe that there are evidences for resurrection. I have not gone through all the history books they have nor read as many languages as they do so how can I be certain they are wrong. I’d rather keep an open mind.

      • ortcutt

        You’re giving all too much credence to the most outlandish conspiracy theory of all time.  That conspiracy theory claims that science is a truly enormous international conspiracy of people (who don’t always get along very well) to falsify data for no recognizable motive.  Not only do they falsify the data, but they have managed to cover up that devious activity with almost perfect success.  Beyond that, despite that total falsification, the many technological devices whose functioning depends on the truth of those scientific theories somehow work despite those theories being fabricated.  My wife is a scientist.  Let me assure you that the people in her field don’t have the competence to pull off a conspiracy that elaborate and sophisticated.

        • Coyotenose

           I’ve made several creationists get all mysteriously quiet after rebutting their conspiracy theories with variations of, “So many millions of people are in on this international conspiracy at every level of every government and industry in order to make money for scientists, even though any one of them would become a millionaire overnight, a lauded, adored celebrity, and a household name for the rest of Western civilization if he/she were to demonstrate the conspiracy or actually disprove Evolution?”

          • The Other Weirdo

             That’s the sort of logic you can use to poke holes in pretty much any conspiracy theory. Unfortunately, when they go all quiet like, it doesn’t mean they’re thinking about it. It just means they’re rationalizing your points away.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Adam-Patrick/100000027906887 Adam Patrick

            A similar approach gets 9/11 truthers to get quiet too. Of course, they just make bad attempts to explain anything you say away without even thinking about it.

      • OregoniAn

        So. . . Since no single individual has lived throughout the entire history of our planet, never been everywhere all at once, witnessing every situation and circumstance that ever happened, since no single individual has read every book, found every fossil, inspected every creature, plant and spec of matter we share our world with – that we can’t know anything to be true? That we need to rely on faith?

        Don’t you dare try to sink science down to the level of religion! I’ve never set foot on the moon, but I sure as heck know why the tides roll in and out!

        As for “many people of high intellect do believe that there are evidences for the resurrection” – the moment you can find one, singular piece of EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE – please come back and share with us.

        • John

           TIde goes in, tide goes out.  You can’t explain that!

          • The Other Weirdo

             Yes, I can! Goddoesit!

            • OregoniAn

              God couldn’t even keep my cereal from getting soggy this morning.. I even said that special “cereal prayer..” from the third testament. (Kelloggious C4, V10.) D0n’t get me started!

  • primenumbers

    When someone says “the Bible is a true historical record,” these children will now know to ask politely, “Were you there?” Oh, the Christians hate me teaching children the correct way of thinking.They go ballistic, knowing kids are being taught think in the right way concerning the truth about origins.

    • J. K. King

       Creationist has existed since the dawn of history. Unfortunately, Creationism is now dominated by Fundamentalism (a literal belief in Genesis and a God-authored book).  

      I defend a third position: non-Bible Creationism. I incorporate arguments from science and logic.

      And in fairness, nobody was there when the supposed big bang or evolution occurred, yet I don’t see anybody who is in a hurry to dismiss the bang or evolution

      J. K.  King  author of the website http://www.shockedbytruth.com

      • primenumbers

        ” I incorporate arguments from science and logic.” – so do the fundamentalists, using very similar arguments to what I’ve quickly read on your site, and similarly flawed. It matters not what you defend creationism from a religious pov or via your ” I incorporate arguments from science and logic.” it’s still not the case that creationism is true.

        • J. K. King

          First, Deven Kale:

          Deven, I agree that philosophy can be bullshit. Yet ironically, your comments smack of philosophy (that of logical positivism). Roughly, logical positivism is a philosophy that combines empiricism (the idea that observational evidence is indispensable for knowledge) and mathematical precision.  Yet if humanity never ventured out of the cocoon of logical positivism, I doubt it would have progressed. And again, there is no observational evidence for the supposed transitional forms required for Evolution.

          Arrogance? Perhaps. But to be willfully ignorant of Creationist arguments is foolishness. I’m not sure if you’re saying this or not.  ???

          primenumbers:

          I don’t mind being compared to fundamentalists. I’m fundamental in certain respects, such as believing in the sanctity of marriage.  However, most fundys seem to be pro-war which opposes Christ’s message. I’m a conscientious objector.

          I believe the earth is a globe. Adolf Hitler believed it was a globe. Will somebody then say Aha! Watch out for J.K. King and then declare the earth flat? I hope not!  Please be aware of the fallacy of using similarities to prove a point. Here also, I’m not sure if you do that or not.
          ???

          • primenumbers

            I’m not saying that because your arguments are similar to fundies arguments you are wrong. I’m saying that your arguments are similar to arguments I’ve read from fundies and they’re wrong. I’m attacking your arguments, not their similarity to other arguments.

            • J. K. King

               First, Deven.

              No Deven, I didn’t prove your point. Again, your point seems to be logical positivism.

              Logical positivism eliminates everything that isn’t  automatically true (such as my parents are older than me) or directly verifiable.

              For example, to verify the proposition that all ravens are black, you would have to examine every raven in existence.  Logical positivism could be applied to electrons since they’re unobservable entities that cannot be counted. Black holes would surely go out the window. The Big Bang and Evolution would go without saying. (Yes, Creationism would too, but I reject LP so I’m good to go). And I could cast doubt or aspersion on every event of your life that you claim to have experienced if it’s not on videotape.

              primenumbers:  
                                                                                                         Thanks for your clarification. You say “Your arguments are similar to fundy arguments, and they’re wrong.”

              Could you tell me specifically one or two arguments? Otherwise that’s not helpful.

              • Deven Kale

                 Nope. My point was that you’re unable to make a point without making shit up, and that you’re in over your head. And you’ve just proven it again.

          • Deven Kale

            Thank you for proving my point.

      • Deven Kale

         I highly doubt that you incorporate logic into your arguments, since any argument which includes within itself a precept that has not yet been proven (such as the existence of the supernatural in any form) is fallacious and therefore illogical. What you really mean is that you incorporate arguments from science (most likely pseudo-science) and philosophy (which doesn’t use logic, and can be completely made-up bullshit). I can tell, simply based on that one single fact that you don’t even know the tools you use to come to your conclusions, that you really don’t know what you’re talking about.

        In fact, I would say that trying to prove anything is over your head. Yes, I’m saying that you’re talking out your ass, and that I’m so sure of that that I won’t even bother reading anything from your website because I know it will only be more aggravating than the snippet you’ve posted here. Is that a little arrogant of me? I suppose it is, but if you’re gonna play with the big kids, you better be sure you bring the right tools.

        • J. K. King

           What specifically is the “shit” that I’m supposedly making up? I need an answer so I can clarify myself.

          Some of the most intelligent people on earth believe in God. Those who believed in God created modern society. Without them we’d be living in a mud pit.

          Come on Deven

          • Deven Kale

             The “shit” that you have to make up is the philosophy which you pile onto your pseudo-science. And to be clear, if something can be proven in some way, that places it in the realm of science. One of the very defining factors of philosophy is that there is no way to prove it; it’s all just intellectual masturbation. The best philosophy can hope for is consistency and elegance, but that has no bearing on it’s truthfulness at all.

            It doesn’t matter what “some of the most intelligent people on earth” believe. That’s both an appeal to popularity and an appeal to authority. Belief makes no difference when you’re talking about what’s true, and it makes even less difference who believes it. What really matters is evidence, and you don’t have any. This is why you have to take your arguments into the realm of make-believe philosophy in order to reach your conclusions.

            Those who believed in God created modern society. Without them we’d be living in a mud pit.

            That’s a pretty big claim. Do you have all the evidence you need to back it up?

            • J. K. King

              Deven,

              Again you are dismissing everything that doesn’t have your standard of proof and by your authority you are declaring it garbage. That is your PHILOSOPHY.

              I say you’re trying to dispose of philosophy by your philosophic arguments, which would be ludicrous. Prove that I’m wrong.

              And whyhasn’t anyone here labeled the Big Bang and Evolution pseudo-science? Because it’s atheist philosophy? Hmmm.

              I didn’t want to appeal to popularity or authority. But your keyboard blurting “I’m in way over my head” caused me to wonder if you think you’re intellectually above Einstein, Newton, and such people.

              Yes, there’s plenty of evidence to show that those who believed in God facilitated modern society, not atheists. Their biographies are of public record. Not this proves anything, outside of proving that the atheist claim of intellectual superiority if foolishness indeed.

              • Deven Kale

                I say you’re trying to dispose of philosophy by your philosophic arguments, which would be ludicrous. Prove that I’m wrong.

                If you really believe that, then you have a very loose definition of philosophy. There’s a difference between a personal philosophy (what a person actually believes) and academic/professional philosophy. That you don’t recognize that just goes to show that you are in over your head.

                Yes, I choose to ignore professional philosophy because it is nothing more than intellectual masturbation and is unprovable, that’s my personal philosophy. If it was provable, that would take it out of the realm of philosophy and into that of science, and then I could actually see whether it’s worth believing.

                But your keyboard blurting “I’m in way over my head” caused me to wonder
                if you think you’re intellectually above Einstein, Newton, and such
                people.

                I don’t think I’m intellectually above any of them. What I think is that they (excepting Einstein, who if anything was a pantheist and even then only loosely) were better than I at compartmentalization, or not applying their intellectual mind to every belief, especially religion. This is also supported by the evidence that every single religion is illogical on it’s face. They were far more intelligent than me, but with the evidence we now have, it simply turns out they were wrong.

                And why hasn’t anyone here labeled the Big Bang and Evolution pseudo-science? Because it’s atheist philosophy? Hmmm.

                Actually, it’s because there’s evidence for them, which makes them non-philosophical and firmly in the realm of science. They have been tested and are proven to be correct based on the evidence we have. If you know how to falsify one, be my guest. You’ll probably win a Nobel prize for actually disproving either one of them.

                • J. K. King

                   Deven,

                  It’s not ignorance of the difference between your delineations between personal and professional philosophy. It’s because  that is irrelevant. Philosophy cannot be neatly compartmentalized. And tossing out comments that your opponent is in over their head is keyboard farting.

                  Your postulation that the intellectual giants compartmentalized their spiritual beliefs from their rational mind is pure speculation. And they didn’t believe in gods, they believed in one God.

                  Although there’s evidence for the Big Bang and Evolution, there is much more evidence AGAINST them.

                  You also insinuated that if I was so correct I would have won the Nobel Prize. Here’s reality: people are popular because they please others, not because they tell the truth. It’s like a loose girl who is popular because she puts out. She gets the Booby Prize. I however, do not put out.

                  And even though I disagree with Ken Ham on many points, what’s this about him brainwashing children? If he’s not murdering, raping, or selling dope to any of them, then what do any of you care? Bizarre indeed.

                  And 99% of religion is garbage. Don’t throw me on the garbage pile, as I don’t lump you in with Hitler because you both believe in a round earth. I believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ alone.

                • Deven Kale

                  And tossing out comments that your opponent is in over their head is keyboard farting.

                  Then I gladly have gas.

                  Your postulation that the intellectual giants compartmentalized their
                  spiritual beliefs from their rational mind is pure speculation. And they
                  didn’t believe in gods, they believed in one God.

                  True, it’s possible that they never even knew there was an option not to believe, and therefore never even considered the possibility at all. Considering your assertion that they all believed in the same god though, that’s just ridiculous. You don’t believe in the same god as your brother, father, uncle, neighbor, or anyone at all actually. Every person alive has a different god because they each have qualitative differences which make it impossible for each one to be the same.

                  You also insinuated that if I was so correct I would have won the Nobel Prize.

                  No, I never insinuated that you would win it, I said you would probably win it. That you would somehow miss that qualifier is just more evidence that you’re in over your head (excuse me).

                  And even though I disagree with Ken Ham on many points, what’s this about him brainwashing children?

                  Changing the subject again. The tactic of someone losing the argument, or someone who is (oh my goodness, excuse me again!) in over their head.

                  And 99% of religion is garbage.

                  Let me fix that for you: “And 100% of religion is garbage.” You’re welcome.

                  I don’t lump you in with Hitler because you both believe in a round earth.

                  Did he really believe in a round earth? I guess that proves he was a Christian then. It’s actually an oblate spheroid, but hey, why do Christian’s need proof when they’ve got their Bible?

                  This was fun. Please reply back, I’d love to have another laugh like that. :D

                • J. K. King

                   Deven,

                  Interesting comments,  

                   but this thread apparently has a computer glitch or is becoming broken.

                  I can’t type all the way across the page.
                  The words are becoming like a tube or toothpick in the middle.

                  I noticed another broken thread that was only one letter thick.

                  Maybe you can contact the administrator to fix the computer problem?

                  See you on another thread.

      • The_L

        You’re right! Clearly science is flawed and we should teach our children the true account of how the earth was created from the body of Ymir the frost giant by the All-Father.

        Thanks for your support from a fellow child of the Aesir!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=813165390 Annika Raaen

    Is it just me, or did anyone else read that quote in the voice of Waylon Jennings, only creepier?

    Okay…maybe it was just me…

  • decathelite

    It’s really quite ironic, isn’t it? Not even the writers of the gospels were there either. I loved Pharyngula’s take on it:

    http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/06/23/dear-emma-b/

    • Jenprohaska

      I read that last year when he posted it, and I think it is such a great open letter.  I wish that some creationists would read it and start asking that great scientific question, “How do you know that?”

  • Tainda

    I don’t like looking at him.  Make it go away :(

    • http://twitter.com/anatman jerry anning

       don’t you recognize that picture? ham was obviously the model for the internet troll stick figure.

      • kdp

         See there, you made me scroll back up and look at the picture again…..and you’re right!

  • JasmynMoon

    How does he know what happened the first five days? No one was there according to their own absurd story. Shouldn’t the day man entered the scene be the first day recorded to them since no one was there to attest to the previous events? How can he not see the inherent flaws in his foolish logic?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Adam-Patrick/100000027906887 Adam Patrick

      Creationists aren’t known for their grasp of logic or reason.

    • Maria

      The bible was divinely inspired, duh! God just zapped some divination into a dude and he wrote shit down….that’s gonna be the explanation you’ll hear for that. Former baptist here.

  • http://gloomcookie613.tumblr.com GloomCookie613

    So, you say that god created dinosaurs on the 6th day, Mr. Ham?

    Were you there?

  • Helanna

    Ugh. Ham is so smug. The real reason it’s going to backfire is because some kid, in middle or high school, is going to be presented to an atheist talking about evolution. And he/she will smugly say “Oh yeah? Were you there?”

    And then they will discover that that’s the stupidest, most inane reasoning ever. As has been pointed out, there’s *also* nobody who ‘was there’ to prove Creationism, not to mention they’ve probably only ever been told about some strawman argument for evolution that’s easily disproven. 

    When they hear the *facts* about evolution and the creation of the Earth, and are largely just ridiculed or ignored for their terrible, terrible arguments, THAT’S when they might start listening and thinking. 

  • Chris Kuiper

    Reading that ridiculous bit by Ham, I couldn’t help but think it was satire.  I took a peek at his blog. It’s real. The amount of misinformation and cognitive dissonance is mindbogglingly amazing. 

    • BeasKnees

      I also thought that this must be a joke.  It makes my brain hurt to know that he’s being serious.  Ugh.

  • Caroline

     I guess in the creationist mind the scientist gets all flustered and everyone applauds because this person just definitively disproved a couple of hundred years of scientific research. Then the creationist puts on his sunglasses and the theme song from CSI Miami starts playing.

    Because no one could possibly ask the same thing about the bible.

    • Coyotenose

      Oh yeah! There’s even an anti-evolution Chick Tract that is exactly as you describe, except for the CSI part. They really, truly think that happens.

      • The Other Weirdo

         I’ve seen it, I think. Doesn’t the teacher become a rabid believe at the end?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Adam-Patrick/100000027906887 Adam Patrick

    They just blow it off and say we should trust the lord. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Adam-Patrick/100000027906887 Adam Patrick

    Using Ham’s logic, I can’t know anything that happened before September 24, 1990(my date of birth). 

    • http://boldquestions.wordpress.com/ Ubi Dubium

      Oh my FSM, that makes me feel really old!

    • The Other Weirdo

       Dear Middle-of-the-Road Deity, I feel positively ancient now. That wasn’t nice, Adam. :)

    • OregoniAn

       Dang. . .I’ve got two kids within a year of your age either side. You’re making me feel absolutely crusty! On the other hand, our third child is only seven – compared to her you are already an old fart. Belated happy birthday to you Adam !

    • Drew M.

      Get off my lawn!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=705066677 Desiree Bell-Fowlks

      LOL.  No worries Adam.  I was born in 1985. 

  • Sue Blue

    ….And I come right back at those kids with “Were you there when God grabbed some dirt and poofed Adam into existence?  Were you there when Noah banged the Ark together and did his Pied Piper act with all the animals?  Were you even there when Jesus was parading around Palestine claiming to be divine?” Even a half-bright ten-year-old could see through that argument – yet Ken Ham thinks he’s “teaching kids how to think”.
    When Ken Ham speaks, brain cells die.

  • Barbara

    “We need to do all we can to capture these kids for the Lord Jesus Christ.”

    What a creepy thing to say. Not that I’d expect anything else from a psychotic person. 

    • RobertoTheChi

      That’s what I thought too. It’s a very creepy thing to say but is just par for the course with Ham.

    • The_L

      That’s not how any sane religious person words it. But then, you can’t really accuse the AiG staff of sanity.

  • RobertoTheChi

    Every time this idiot opens his mouth I want to gauge out my eyes and ears to just block out the stupidity. It sickens me that he’s so smug about lying and brainwashing children. Shameful.

  • Sven

    “Were you there?”

    No, nobody was.  That’s why we use scientific evidence to learn more about the universe we live in.  You can learn all sorts of things about places we can’t go to (like the distant past) with science.  Pretty cool, eh?

    • ESC_key

      Exactly! I really don’t see why “were you there?” Is supposed to be some huge scare tactic against people who teach science. I volunteer part-time at an observatory and science museum, and if some kid (or adult) asked me that kind of question, it feels like it would the perfect opportunity to explain how science gives us the tools to ‘go back in time’ and understand things about the distant past that we ordinarily wouldn’t even dream of conceiving. Yeah, almost like we were “really there!”

  • DougI

    Ken Ham might get more views if he didn’t scare children by being part wolfman.

    • Glasofruix

      I always thought that when you look like a neanderthal you really shouldn’t try to deny the existence of evolution.

  • Darwin’s Dagger

    Yeah, the “Were you there” line is so primed to backfire. Jesus dies for your sins. Were you there? God flooded the Earth and killed millions of living creatures to eradicate the sinfulness of one species (and then failed miserably at that). Were you there?

  • Onamission5

    Wait.. school assemblies? What?

    • Anna

      Christian schools, I imagine. If these were public school students being ferried to a Baptist church for lessons in creationism, I think someone would have complained, or at least noticed. Then again, it is Georgia…

  • http://profiles.google.com/conticreative Marco Conti

    I am in a bad mood today. Things are not going well, my clients are being impossible to deal with, the work I am doing is proving, as usual, more challenging than I thought. 

    So I decide to come here and read some news and I have to read the rantings of this lunatic. This giant heap of hypocrisy. This universe of ignorance.

    I think of all those kids being taught those lies and I feel a tightening of my solar plexus. I see future bigots and haters. No doubt some of them will learn to think for themselves and many one of them will be the next Christopher Hitchens, taking these lunatics to task. But many of them are condemned to a life of ignorance and untruth. And this guy is happy about it.

    • Helanna

      I always try to take the view that with increasing numbers and openness of atheists/nonreligious people, kids are going to be exposed to rationality and logic more and more frequently. Especially when they’re being taught such laughable logic as “were you there?”, I think science has a good chance of winning them over. 

    • OregoniAn

       Bear in mind Marco, that “Kreepy Kenny” Ham gets far more attention here than in any conventional media outlet. Look at his YouTube hit count versus Bill Nye’s. His influence is shrinking faster than I can type!

  • Mjy1945

    You wrote: I can’t wait for a little kid in the congregation to yell out, “Were you there?”

    It will never happen. There’s not a Christian in the world who would ever do that.  Billions of Christians and not one will ever ask “Were you there?”

    • http://twitter.com/AchronTimeless Achron Timeless

      Eh, I got kicked out of Sunday School for pretty much doing just that all the time, but then again I never really believed even as a child.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Adam-Patrick/100000027906887 Adam Patrick

      Now I want to go to one of Ham’s speeches and do just that. 

    • Jenprohaska

      Johnny Cash did.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ninyTdjNjJc

      • http://www.facebook.com/ojspires Oliver Spires

         Thanks – I have tears on my face now from laughter! …but then I made the mistake of reading the comments

  • Greg1466

    Ironic that he keeps saying how he loves teaching kinds HOW to think when he is quite obviously teaching them WHAT to think.

  • Martin

    No, I wasn’t there, but the elements with their radioactive decay that we use to measure the timescale was there, unlike anything that was written in a collection of mythology.

  • Sdfc

    The way these people talk is super creepy.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Adam-Patrick/100000027906887 Adam Patrick

    Here’s Ham’s response(in all it’s facepalming fun) to someone doing what your last line suggests:

    http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2011/07/15/feedback-were-you-there

  • ZenDruid

    Ken Ham, you’re stupid and your mother dresses you funny.

  • Keulan

     These creationists never understand that we don’t need to have been there to know that the universe is billions of years old. We have evidence of it. I know that the Earth, for example, is much older than 6000 years because I have two small fossils sitting on my desk right now. One is a dinosaur tooth that’s at least 65 million years old, and the other is a trilobite which is over 400 million years old. That plus all the other evidence that actual scientists have is more than enough to convince me that creationism is utter bullshit.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1351473675 Matthew Baker

    I hold to the proposition that this Dr. Zaius looking mountebank is knowingly lying to children and doesn’t buy the swill he pedals as apologetics for one second. To me he has always lacked the ferventness of a true believer. 

  • lulu_footloose

    Creationist: “We weren’t there, but we believe that the Earth is 6,000 years old because God was there when he created the Earth and God wrote the Bible”.

    Bloody hell, God couldn’t even remember if he created plants before man (Gen 1: 11-12; 1:26-27) or man before plants (Gen 2:5-9) when he wrote the Bible…so why should I trust someone* who couldn’t even remember what he did?

    *of course, there is no evidence that this someone (God) exists

  • wister

    There are two accounts of creation in Genesis with different orders of creation. In the first, A and E are created at the same time from dust. In the second, A names the animals, grows lonely, God puts him to sleep, removes a rib, and creates E. Which is it, Mr. Ham?

  • ZnSD

    Truly, a nutbag. Can we just put him and Linda Harvey in a locked room somewhere?

  • Hard2findu

    Awesome, a new applicant scrubbing tool, I will ask everyone I interview, have you ever been to the creation museum, any yes answer will have their application trashed.

  • The_L

    Were you there when they crucified my Lord?

    Sometimes, laughter at bad science causes me to tremble, tremble, tremble…

  • foundtherealdeal

    A spiritual hymn was written many years ago…

    Were you there when they crucified my Lord?
    Were you there when they crucified my Lord?
    Oh, sometimes it causes me to tremble, tremble, tremble
    Were you there when they crucified my Lord?

    Were you there when the sun refused to shine?
    Were you there when the sun refused to shine?
    Oh, sometimes it causes me to tremble, tremble, tremble
    Were you there when the sun refused to shine?

    Were you there when he rose out from the grave?
    Were you there when he rose out from the grave?
    Oh, sometimes it causes me to tremble, tremble, tremble
    Were you there when he rose out from the grave?

    People were there to witness these events and records were kept.  Christ was clearly dead (his blood had separated) on the cross.  But, he also rose from the grave.  The grave clothes were left behind as if the body had gone through them.  A new body with different characteristics. One that could even go through a wall.   The stone could never have been rolled away on human effort by a dead man laid to rest inside. Many different people at different times saw Christ following his resurrection.  There is evidence.  As an encouragement, why don’t you try, why don’t you seek, how do you really know what you know?  I sought the truth and God revealed it in crazy ways–I found REAL life.  He really is real.  And, no, I don’t have mental illness, I really did find out and was surprised.  I started reading my Bible and going to church–really seeking Him and do you know what…He started to reveal Himself to me.  I would be reading a Bible verse and heard the exact same verse or hear a story and heard the exact same story at church–this happened over and over and over—I kept record of dates in my Bible.  I needed this kind of scientific confirmation–what was the probability that this could have happened out of all the verses in the Bible that I could have read (you teach math, and I am sure you would find that the probability was essentially zero).  I have studied biochemistry and molecular biology and after many years of seeking God I have realized the utter improbability of life coming about by chance (how is it possible that I can even type–have the coordination of brain, muscles, tendons, bones and more–there is order and information in our DNA–where does this info come from?)  And our earth is at  just the right distance from the Sun to allow life.  There is tons of evidence for God.  Google “Intelligent Design”.  We just need to be willing to open our eyes and seek honestly.  Perhaps other things are getting in the way of us seeking honestly, maybe we are afraid of a change in our lifestyle, or a change in our priorities, or having to make amends, but I can say without a doubt that dieing to oneself to live for Christ is the only way that is really, real and brings true joy.  I’m still learning this, I don’t have it all together.  I know you are curious, why don’t you pick up a Bible and read it, really read it, and ask God to reveal Himself.  Those who earnestly seek God will find Him.And, you won’t need to check your brain at the door either :)

  • foundtherealdeal

    A spiritual hymn was written many years ago…

    Were you there when they crucified my Lord?
    Were you there when they crucified my Lord?
    Oh, sometimes it causes me to tremble, tremble, tremble
    Were you there when they crucified my Lord?

    Were you there when the sun refused to shine?
    Were you there when the sun refused to shine?
    Oh, sometimes it causes me to tremble, tremble, tremble
    Were you there when the sun refused to shine?

    Were you there when he rose out from the grave?
    Were you there when he rose out from the grave?
    Oh, sometimes it causes me to tremble, tremble, tremble
    Were you there when he rose out from the grave?

    People were there to witness these events and records were kept.  Christ was clearly dead (his blood had separated) on the cross.  But, he also rose from the grave.  The grave clothes were left behind as if the body had gone through them.  A new body with different characteristics. One that could even go through a wall.   The stone could never have been rolled away on human effort by a dead man laid to rest inside. Many different people at different times saw Christ following his resurrection.  There is evidence.  As an encouragement, why don’t you try, why don’t you seek, how do you really know what you know?  I sought the truth and God revealed it in crazy ways–I found REAL life.  He really is real.  And, no, I don’t have mental illness, I really did find out and was surprised.  I started reading my Bible and going to church–really seeking Him and do you know what…He started to reveal Himself to me.  I would be reading a Bible verse and heard the exact same verse or hear a story and heard the exact same story at church–this happened over and over and over—I kept record of dates in my Bible.  I needed this kind of scientific confirmation–what was the probability that this could have happened out of all the verses in the Bible that I could have read (you teach math, and I am sure you would find that the probability was essentially zero).  I have studied biochemistry and molecular biology and after many years of seeking God I have realized the utter improbability of life coming about by chance (how is it possible that I can even type–have the coordination of brain, muscles, tendons, bones and more–there is order and information in our DNA–where does this info come from?)  And our earth is at  just the right distance from the Sun to allow life.  There is tons of evidence for God.  Google “Intelligent Design”.  We just need to be willing to open our eyes and seek honestly.  Perhaps other things are getting in the way of us seeking honestly, maybe we are afraid of a change in our lifestyle, or a change in our priorities, or having to make amends, but I can say without a doubt that dieing to oneself to live for Christ is the only way that is really, real and brings true joy.  I’m still learning this, I don’t have it all together.  I know you are curious, why don’t you pick up a Bible and read it, really read it, and ask God to reveal Himself.  Those who earnestly seek God will find Him.And, you won’t need to check your brain at the door either :)

    • Duke OfOmnium

      If you don’t NEED to check your brain, then what’s your excuse?  I’ve seen a lot of stuff reducing christianity to self-reinforcing emotive nonsense, but yours might be the most nonsensical.

      How dare you try to dictate the quality of my joy? At best, you’re guilty of insulting impertinence;  at worse you’re outright lying.  At least *I* don’t need to invent imaginary friends like god to bring me happiness.  As to the “many different people” who “saw christ,” were you there?  If “were you there” is a legitimate question, then your only honest recourse is to toss your bible into the nearest recycle bin (we must be green when embracing honesty); after all, you weren’t around to see it being written, much less to see the putative events putatively occur.

  • Cameron

    I find it interesting that in the paragraphs written above, never once do you deal with a single argument that he is raised concerning not only the lack of of sufficient evidence for the THEORY of evolution, but also the overwhelming amount of evidence he posits in support of creationism.
    Now Bill Nye spent a good time shooting his mouth off at how stupid he believes creationists are. But, just like you, he never once presented a solid refutation of any of the arguments the creationists put forth. And the fact is that, whether you believe in creation or evolution, you have to acknowledge that scientists, biologists, astronomers, etc. all over the world are running into huge issues with evolution. For instance, for an organism to increase in complexity, it has to have an increase in the genetic information in the gene pool. Mutation, which is the mechanism for the theory of evolution, has only been shown to result in a loss of genetic information.

  • http://www.facebook.com/CreationLetter Tony Breeden
  • Miranda Flemming

    what a moron. And an embarrassment that he comes from Australia & his mate Ray Cumfart is from NZ.


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