Arkansas Republican Candidate: I Support the Death Penalty… for Children

There’s a reason we follow the Constitution in this country instead of the Bible: the Constitution can be changed; the Bible can’t… which is a problem since it says a lot of awful things.

Charlie Fuqua, a Republican running for the Arkansas House of Representatives, thinks they’re great ideas, though. Including the slaughtering of children:

Someone tell the baby not to rebel! (via charliefuqua4staterep.com)

In fact, he wrote about how the death penalty ought to apply to rebellious kids in his book God’s Law:

The maintenance of civil order in society rests on the foundation of family discipline. Therefore, a child who disrespects his parents must be permanently removed from society in a way that gives an example to all other children of the importance of respect for parents. The death penalty for rebellious children is not something to be taken lightly. The guidelines for administering the death penalty to rebellious children are given in Deut 21:18-21:

This passage does not give parents blanket authority to kill their children. They must follow the proper procedure in order to have the death penalty executed against their children.

Well, I suppose we should be glad proper procedures would be followed…?

Fuqua is anti-abortion by the way.

It brings to mind the great George Carlin quotation about pro-lifers: “If you’re pre-born, you’re fine. If you’re pre-school, you’re fucked.”

Or, in this case, Fuqua-d.

(Thanks to Josh for the link!)

About Hemant Mehta

Hemant Mehta is the chair of Foundation Beyond Belief and a high school math teacher in the suburbs of Chicago. He began writing the Friendly Atheist blog in 2006. His latest book is called The Young Atheist's Survival Guide.

  • http://atheistlutheran.blogspot.com/ MargueriteF

    According to the reviews of his book, he thinks Muslims should all be expelled from America, too. I wonder if he thinks atheists should be expelled, or stoned to death? Either way, I have a sneaking suspicion we wouldn’t fit well into his vision of America, any more than Muslims and disobedient kids do.

    • Troels Jakobsen

      I’m pretty sure he’d regard atheism as disobedience.

      We’d probably get a double stoning.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GodVlogger?feature=mhee GodVlogger (on YouTube)

    The god of the Bible totally *loves* telling humans to kill their children: 

    Leviticus 20:9
    For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to DEATH: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. 

    Deuteronomy 21:18-21 
    If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall STONE him with stones, that he DIE.

    Mark 7:10
    For Moses said, Honor thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death 

    Matthew 15:4
    For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.

    • http://www.youtube.com/user/GodVlogger?feature=mhee GodVlogger (on YouTube)

      Here are some more “Biblical Family Values”:

      Luke 14:26 Jesus speaking, “If any man come to me, and hate NOT his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.” (You must hate your family to be Christ’s disciple).

      Exodus 32:29 “Moses said to the Levites, “Today you have consecrated yourselves as priests in the service of the Lord by killing your sons and brothers, so the Lord has given you his blessing.”"

    • Isilzha

       There was also the time god personally got involved and sent a bear to rip apart some kids making fun of a bald guy.

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/GodVlogger?feature=mhee GodVlogger (on YouTube)

        Yes,  The Lord sent bears to maul young children to death in the case when He sent two bears to rip apart 42 children just for making fun of a bald man. Glory!
         
        From The Holy Bible, 2 Kings 2:23-24: 
        “And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up
        by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and
        mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them”

        • Isilzha

          Between that and the verse advocating for dashing the heads of infants upon rocks, it’s obvious that god REALLY hates kids!

          • Coyotenose

             Well hell, who can blame him? The way they eat all the damn apples he put in front of them and use all the naughty parts he gave them to use, it’s a wonder he didn’t try to drown them all.

            • Starlite

              lol

    • http://atheistlutheran.blogspot.com/ MargueriteF

      Don’t forget the biggie– God killed off his own son, too. 

      • Stev84

         According to post-Bible church doctrine that was just temporary suicide

      • Isilzha

         Nah, that was just a means of travel.  There was no actual sacrifice.

    • Troels Jakobsen

      And let’s not forget Numbers 5 where God gives instructions for aborting a bastard.

  • Blacksheep

    If we are only animals, and natural selection rules the day, his insincts are in line with the way I’ve seen male lions behave, for example. But if he believes in Christ who said that “he who is without sin should cast the first stone” and to “love your enemy” and yet is still saying things like this, he’s a jackass.

    • Indorri

      I should note that gentle Jesus told his disciples to sell their cloaks to buy swords.

      Incidentally, humans are not lions.

    • Sindigo

      Well, we aren’t “only animals” are we? Natural selection also has something to say about empathy, altruism and looking after your young.

      • Blacksheep

        Except for that papa bear on TV last week that killed and ate his sons ! Lions do the same thing sometimes.

        • Coyotenose

          It looks an awful lot like you’ve been reduced to “I’m just sayin’…” trolling. Oh how the weak have fallen.

        • panamafloyd

          So you’re saying your information about how the natural world works comes from a television. Sure explains a lot.

        • Sindigo

          Maybe his porridge was too hot.

    • LesterBallard

      Oh, fuck you.

    • TiltedHorizon

      “If we are only animals…”

      We are. Specifically, in terms of biological classification, the alternative is that you must be a vegetable or mineral. We are not “animals” in the term you apply, as in, devoid of human attributes or civility. The fact that you keep using this word in it’s negative connotation when I doubt that I am the first to point this out to you suggests that you may be a vegetable.

      “…natural selection rules the day…”

      Natural selection is a description of one process covered by the theory of evolution. There is also mutation, migration, and genetic drift. Natural selection  implies variation, differential reproduction, and heredity; specifically how these  sub-mechanics contribute to the survivability of a species. Being that it is only one of several factors described by this theory, it is not a law, it cannot “rule”.  The basic concept should be simple enough for anyone to understand; unless one is a vegetable.

      “…if he believes in Christ…”

      This is what blind faith produces. When evidence is not a requirement and one is no longer free to question their beliefs, then any atrocity is forgivable as long as one’s god allows it. Take ownership of what your faith produces, he is not a “jackass”, he is a believer.

    • Octoberfurst

       You’ll notice Blacksheep that it is CHRISTIANS who say horrible offensive crap like that–not atheists.  They are the ones who say we should stone disobediant children, inprison gays, make women 2nd class citizens, etc.  So don’t try to pretend that Christians are so much better than atheists just because we don’t believe in a god.

      • Blacksheep

        I never mentioned atheists. I’m making an observation, that his attitude is similar to what I observe in the animal kingdom. Don’t be a self hating atheist!

        • Antinomian

          “Don’t be a self hating atheist!”
          Are we doing ‘don’t be’s BoPeep. How about you don’t be a dumbass.

          Eh.. I know you can’t help yourself..

          “Stupidity has its charms, ignorance, not so much..”
          (Mark Twain)

    • amycas

       Yes we are animals. What exactly does it mean to “act like an animal”? There is no overarching thing that animals do, other eating (or for some, absorbing nutrients). Humans already act like animals. We act like the animal Homo sapien.

      • Blacksheep

        You know what I mean Amy, i even cited an example. Nature is cruel, even in families.

    • Pascale Laviolette

      Evolution just explains why/how all the species got here. It isn’t a moral imperative, or a value system.  Idiot.

      • Earl G.

        She/He doesn’t even get how natural selection works regarding lion infanticide.  The male lions are not killing THEIR OWN kids.  

        • Blacksheep

          They most certainly are! (lions, too).

          • Deven Kale

             Unless you have some sort of proof that I’ve never seen, they don’t. Even if they do though, it’s going to be extremely rare. When a male Lion takes over another Lions pride, they kill off all of the original Lions cubs. This causes the females to go into heat and the new male then mates with them. Whether it’s deliberate or pure instinct, I don’t know. I don’t think anybody else does either.

            Here’s a pretty good source: http://www.cbs.umn.edu/lionresearch/about/socialbehavior.shtml

      • Blacksheep

        I agree that evolution does not offer a moral imperative. That’s kind of my point.

        • Coyotenose

           Your alleged point has been refuted multiple times in front of you just on this one site. It’s telling that you’re pretending to not see the response by TiltedHorizon that points out that your fallacious claims have been repeatedly refuted.

        • GribbletheMunchkin

          Thats kind of like saying Gravity doesn’t give us any moral imperatives and must therefore be wrong. Evolution is an explanation of what we observe. Its an explanation so thoroughly supported by evidence it is beyond reasonable question.

    • jose
    • RobMcCune

       Yeah but he’s not a lion, he’s a Christian, a Republican, and possibly human, the jury’s still out on that one.

    • matt

       Yeah he probably thinks those are true too.  The problem is that the passages about killing disobedient children he is referring to are ALSO in the bible.  Hmm, it kinda makes you think that maybe this book isn’t so divine…

    • http://www.holytape.etsy.com Holytape

      Now great crowds accompanied him, and he turned and said to them, “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.

    • http://www.holytape.etsy.com Holytape

      That is right, being an animal automatically justifies any evil behavior.  Just look at the sponges.  They’re animals, and I dare you to find a more deprived, twisted sadistic creature.   Sponges are far more evil than tree slothes, and everyone knows that tree slothes are nothing more than very slow evil motherfuckers.

    • Deven Kale

       Well yes, we are animals, and only very distantly related to Lions. Why you think that we would act anything like a Lion confuses me, since they’re felines and we’re apes. That branch of the evolutionary tree goes wayyyyy back. If you want to make a valid comparison, at least stick to other apes. That would make a lot more sense.

  • Baby_Raptor

    I pointed this out to the resident TeaBagger, and he swore up and down that the bible didn’t really say that. When I gave him addresses, I was taking things out of context. When I just put the book in his face and told him to read it himself, he wanted to “pray about what it really meant.”

    There’s no winning with these people.

    • Miss_Beara

      Egads, reading that made my head hurt. I am so glad I don’t run into those type of people…

      yet.

    • GribbletheMunchkin

      You can’t reason  person out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into. Sadly.

  • Isilzha

    I think the proper procedure is to take the child to the city gates at dawn and let the entire town stone him to death.   So, good to know that he’d be sure that these “proper” procedure are followed.  After all, it would be a shame to violate god’s law and shoot the kid with a gun or something.

  • TiltedHorizon

    “The maintenance of civil order in society rests on the foundation of family discipline. Therefore, a
    child who disrespects his parents must be permanently removed from
    society in a way that gives an example to all other children of the
    importance of respect for parents. ”

    I’m a foster parent, this is exactly the kind of twisted, barbaric, inhuman, and abusive mentality that I protect *my* children from, my blood is now boiling…..    

    Fuqua = Fuckwad

  • http://www.facebook.com/abb3w Arthur Byrne

    This wasn’t unique to the Bible. Roman law, which is one of the major roots for European-descended legal systems (including the US) also gave the pater familias the power of life and death. However, this power had restrictions added circa the 1st century AD, and in the 4th was first banned (by the emperor Constantine) and then itself made a capital offense.

    This clown wants to turn the clock of civilization back more than one-and-a-half millennia.

  • jose

    Republicans are trying to demonstrate they hate everybody equally: “See? it’s not just bitches and negros.”

    • Ghostb

      The most common occurance of the term “bitches” in popular culture comes 100% from Democrats / Obama supporters, not from Republicans.

      • Antinomian

        Citations strongly suggested. 

        Of course the theocrats/republicans respectfully use “legitimate bitches”,
        Right?
         

      • Deven Kale

         Actually, I’d bet it’s a lot more likely that it came from some kids who wanted to insult some girl they thought was ugly and looked like one of the local dogs. Probably back in the ’30s or so, maybe as late as the ’50s. Just out of personal experience though (yeah I know, anecdote), the type of kids who do that tend to lean Republican once they turn political.

        • Sindigo

          It may be an anecdote but at least you cited your source unlike Detritus up there.

      • jose

         Actually you’re right. Slut is the preferred term for conservatives. I stand corrected :)

      • Sindigo

        It’s like you’re not even trying. Was it even worth crawling out from under the bridge this morning?

  • Fargofan1

    This guy advocates the death penalty for disobedient kids….but gay parents are the real threat to the family. Right.

  • Renshia

    And people think I am crude, for wanting to bring back Coliseums and lions as a test of faith before you can declare your religion. I don’t hold a candle to this guy.

  • Earl G.

    Sometimes I try to understand Republicans –try to conjure up warm feelings for them, try to understand where they’re coming from.  I might say to myself “Hey, at least we both oppose killing 10-year-olds!  We have that in common.  What else might we have in common?”  And now I don’t even have that.  Thanks a lot, Fuqua.

  • cnuulhu

    I was hoping, no, pleading that this article would be a Poe, that I’d click through on the links and arrive at the Onion. Alas, it was not to be. 

  • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

    George Carlin was a wise man.

  • Starlite

    Has DCF not knocked on this guys door yet? 

    Why not? 

    My sister in law got accused of letting her baby sit in a soiled diaper for an hour and she had some dirty bottles in the sink and they were wedged up her butt for 3 months until she finally proved she was a “normal” mother.

    Failing to see the justice here….. 

  • FractalHeretic

    A bronze-age book full of savage laws is not a threat to society. Belief in God is not a threat to society. However, belief that a bronze-age book full of savage laws was written by a perfect god is a recipe for disaster.

    This is why I’m a Bible-basher, why I make other people’s personal beliefs my business. If your beliefs cause you to harm others, that’s a problem. And if you want to make laws based on your beliefs, then you’d better be prepared to support those beliefs with evidence.

  • Anon

    Isn’t it funny how, when the bible says something like ‘stone your children’, it’s the product of Iron Age society but when it says ‘gay men shouldn’t have sex’ it’s god’s one true word and should be obeyed and homosexuals are EEEEVIL.

  • SluttyMary

    Republicunts only care about kids in the womb… once they are born, they don’t give a crap, until they are 18 and can be made into dead soldiers.

    That’s their pro-life stance.

  • Antinomian

    I support the death (of career) penalty for stupid politicians.