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I am age 78, once a Catholic priest for five years (in the 1960's), then a math teacher for 44 years up to the present day. I became an atheist a few years ago. My hobbies are music and chess.
Thank you Mr Tarte, I always enjoy your videos. You mention one of the obvious reasons that I am agnostic, even if I felt in my heart that there is a god, how am I supposed to know which out of the thousands (if any of them) of religions is the path to Him/Her? If I choose to follow one religions all the others are happy to damn me to hell.
Or maybe the gods simply call their own, and everybody’s happy with the arrangement. You know, like Krishna isn’t out trying to take Ra’s worshipers, or anything like that. Krishna’s got his humans, Ra’s got his own group of humans, as does Yahweh and Allah and so on and so forth.
Do you mean we are the poker chips in the game of the gods?
That’s just sick. LOL
Not… quite. But I suppose that’s also a workable analogy.
I think, if the ancient gods were real, that they wouldn’t be much concerned with the people outside of their respective territories. (Until those other people pose a threat, at least.)
So Loki and Seth are all getting pissed because yahweh and allah have become greedy little shits.
Maybe that’s how this all works. The more energy we waste on focusing on gods the stronger they get, that’s there trick. They trick us into giving them our energy and they just leave us empty sacks. They just suck out our awareness.
The top prize for this century goes to allah. He gets extra points for all the suicide bombers.
As I understand it, that is _actually_ how ancient paganism worked. The gods were not jealous of each other but you were expected to worship the appropriate god at the appropriate time and in the appropriate context. If you were in so-and-so’s city, or about to cross so-and-so’s river, you worshipped them, if you journeyed half a continent away, then probably not. The jealousy you see in the monotheistic gods simply didn’t exist.
It’s my personal speculation that the monotheistic gods weren’t conceived of as monotheistic originally (plenty of evidence for that), but then became pictured as jealous (if you worship me don’t you dare worship anyone else–again there is evidence in the Bible that Yahweh used to implicitly concede the _existence_ of the other gods) then moved on to being considered the ONLY gods.
It’s a little more complicated than that. For example, there was also a lot of syncretism, importing of gods across geographical/ethnic boundaries (e.g. Isis, Cybele), and identifying of local gods with gods of other peoples (e.g. Athena and Minerva).
The Abrahamic deity is a mixture of god concepts: the henotheistic turned monotheistic god of the Hebrews; the good god of the dualist Zoroastrian/Manichean strain; the Hellenistic philosophic perfect god.
I htink the question of how do the gods view the division is somewhat sideways. Religion is about the humans – so the writings and such are from the stand point of the worshipers and their human leaders (another tip off that it’s all made up imho).
As to mulitple gods (i’ve always noticed that the first commandment is perfectly happy to have more than 1 god – YHWH just has to be the first and only god you worship, it’s all about Him (unless it’s about jesus or something_hello, do you all even follow your commandments?)):
The Hindu’s are pan-theists. The Indian-Hindus in SE India that I know worship to 6 gods, 1 per day and then they take Sunday off (gods and worshipers both). They think of the division as a matter of interest – the goddess of wealth and prosperity (Lakshmi) isn’t going to care about the same stuff that Hanuman will. As such, you pray to the right god the right way at the right time and it all works out.
(this, of course, makes about as much sense as anything else religious)
I always thought we’d be the pawns on the board.
Yeah – I’ve never understood where my Nordic family gets off worshipping some middle-eastern desert god. What about Thor, Odin, Frey, and all the rest of the Aesir and Vanir? They’re so much more interesting – and Thor has Mjolnir, his mighty hammer; whereas that namby-pamby Jesus got himself nailed up. I mean, really – if I was going to worship any God or Gods, I’d much rather fill a horn with some mead and drink to Thor or honor Frey with some sex.
For those of you who haven’t seen it: http://www.myconfinedspace.com/2009/06/13/christianity-my-god-has-a-hammer-your-god-was-nailed-to-a-cross/
I found the following quote as part of a sig in the xkcd forums.
“If you take the Christian God literally, he doesn’t say he’s the only God. He just wants to make sure he gets top billing.”
Not Catholicism (Mr. Tarte’s former religion). We believe that sincere members in this life of other religions can go to heaven as well as Christians through the merits of Christ. For myself, the combination of the Church’s historical longevity (oldest monarchical dynasty ever by a long shot), the uniqueness of the historical Christ’s biblically accounted life combined with the consistency of Catholic teaching with biblical teaching, and the existence of many credible modern-day miracles and the selfless love of the lives of the saints convince me that of all religions, Catholicism is doctrinally true.
Predicting the future? That sounds like sorcery. According to the Bible sorcerers need to be executed as they are an abomination to god. Therefore we can’t trust anything this “preacher” says as he’s clearly an agent of the devil.
“Trust me … ”
We don’t trust you. Next ..?
And that Baptist preacher will one day know that god is Zeus! There have been so many gods created by humans that worshiping the right one is just a crapshoot.
Ed, you sound like a real threat to civilization itself. Just kidding….I’d be proud to shake your hand.
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