Creationist Ken Ham: The AHA’s ‘Kids Without God’ Campaign is Hitler-esque and Intolerant

This is the Creation Museum’s Ken Ham legitimately brainwashing children with the notion that evolution is bunk and God created us just as we are thousands of years ago:

This is the American Humanist Association’s website aimed at teaching children Humanist values (with the guidance of their parents).

And this is Ken Ham, on Friday, explaining to his Facebook followers that the AHA’s campaign is Hitler-esque and intolerant:

They claim they are not proselytizing — but that is exactly what they are doing. They are aggressively preaching their anti-gospel message in the hopes to capturing the coming generations of kids.

As Adolf Hitler said: ““He alone, who owns the youth, gains the Future!”
(–Adolf Hitler, as quoted in Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression, vol. 1 (Washington, D.C.: United States Government Printing Office, 1946), p. 320)

Many Christians seem to be blind to the spiritual battle going on around us. The atheists are moving to aggressively do what they can to secularize the culture and try to get rid of Christianity. These people are some of the most intolerant around.

A few thoughts:

1) The AHA is not proselytizing. Proselytizing an anti-gospel message would involve saying, “Hey, kids! God doesn’t exist! Now let’s rip up some Bibles.” The AHA’s campaign doesn’t do anything like that. It’s all about positive values, not negative beliefs.

2) Whenever you begin a sentence with, “As Adolf Hitler said,” you’ve lost the argument.

3) I dare you to find anything “intolerant” on this website.

You have to love Ham’s obvious hypocrisy here. He thinks telling children that evolution is junk science and that dinosaurs existed with humans is perfectly fine… but teaching them to be kind, inquisitive, and honest is a form of intolerant proselytizing.

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  • Persephone

    If Ken Ham told me the sky was blue I’d have to look for myself.

  • CanadianNihilist

    I have to give Ham some credit though. He included the link to the actual site in question. That’s a dangerous move because anytime  you make a clam about something and point people in the right direction to look into themselves you run the risk of them using critical thinking.

    Most fundies don’t do that. they just tell you what they want you to believe and leave it at that. 

  • Persephone

     He’s figured out that his audience don’t bother checking the facts anyway. He says what he wants, confident that they will obediently believe it.

  • facebook-740856118

    That’s something Andrew Breitbart also figured out as well.

  • TheExpatriate700

    Of course the AHA is proselytizing,  and there’s nothing wrong with that. Proselytizing for tolerance is a positive good.

  • Sue Blue

    Ken Ham needs to be deported as an undesirable.  I don’t think Australia would take him back. Maybe the moon or an asteroid…just someplace where no one can be exposed to his brain-withering drivel.

  • Silo Mowbray

    Evil does exist. It manifests in people like Ken Ham who seek to control others and prey upon their weaknesses. In the end, the Ken Hams of the world enjoy a life of power and luxury at the cost of countless others who suffer.

  • david e

    “The AHA is not proselytizing.”

    Billboards.  Ads on Facebook, Reddit, etc.  That sounds like proselytizing to me.  And I’m all for it.  We just have negative associations with that word.

    Another, more positive, phrase for it is participating in the marketplace of ideas.  Exactly what we should be doing.

  • observer

    Some of them might, and may figure out what a bunch of BS Ken is full of. But then again, he maybe thinning out his herd of potential ” evil freethinkers”, and Ken may argue that those people have been “corrupted” by AHA.

  • observer

     Wow, is Ken Ham actually saying that teaching kids to share and love one another, something a certain legendary person preached as well, is “anti-gospel”? That’s very telling.

  • Silo Mowbray

    You’re right about the negative associations. Proselytizing to me is an active attempt to convert. I don’t see atheists doing that. I present information and an argument, and then leave the listener to decide. I don’t pursue them to secure a conversion. Christians like Ken Ham, on the other hand, keep plugging away to expand their congregation (which of course leads to stuffing their coffers).

    Atheist/Humanist groups communicate information. Theists apply marketing. The difference is in the outcome. Atheists communicate to the public to inform. Theists market to the public to arrive at a transaction.

  • Bleugh

    Remember that South Park episode where they found another planet and religious people went there for missions? I prefer if we keep missionaries as far away from space as posible thank-you-very-much

  • Stev84

    Also, some of the billboards aren’t targeted at believers. Some are aimed at atheists who don’t know that there are others like them nearby

  • A Reader

    I agree. They are proselytizing, but it’s for things like “being nice”, “taking care of myself”, “telling the truth”, etc. These are things I would think even someone like Ham would embrace.

  • Lana

    ugh, blah blah, humanists aren’t like Hitler. They do good for the sake of good. There are kind humanists, and there are mean ones. There are kind Christians, and there are mean ones. 

  • C Peterson

    There might be an element of proselytization, but I don’t think it’s very strong. Proselytization means you are trying to convert somebody in some way, which requires changing their minds. I think this is directed towards an audience that largely shares these views already, and the message is one of reinforcement and support.

    The AHA isn’t going to change many kids in religious households into atheists.

  • Kerri Russ

    I question the ethics of anyone who feels they need to have an ancient book to tell them how to behave.  While I attended church until age 16, you could argue that I learned my ethics and values from my attendance at church, Sunday school, and vacation bible school.  However, my son has been raised without any of that.  When someone at the store dropped their change purse and coins went everywhere, I immediately dropped to his knees and picked them up then handed them to the person and was embarrassed when they thanked him profusely.  He did not need church attendance to know to do the right thing.  He offers to help anyone who needs it, generously gives his money to his friends if they need it (paid for 2 of his friends to go into an amusement park to save the mom some money… I wasn’t even there and we’d given him $40 for the day, $20 of which he used to help pay for 2 of our friend’s 3 kids to get in).

    It’s a shame that the religious need to blackmail their kids into believing with threats and horrible visions of a burning afterlife to scare them into behaving and being a good person.

  • SeekerLancer

    Did Ken Ham just invoke Godwin’s Law on HIMSELF?

  • RobMcCune

    I don’t think he embraces the whole telling the truth thing.

  • Sue Blue

    I was thinking of an uninhabited, airless rock – possibly one that’s on a collision course with Neptune or headed for a black hole.

  • John A. Anderson

    Actually, the sky is green. As Adolf Hitler once noted…

  • Santiago

    Adolf the dog?

  • Crodley

    Watching that video, I was amazed at the part where the question was “What do you say when someone says the Earth is millions of years old?” and he says the kids should reply with “Were you there?”
    I mean, when they say God created everything in 7 days, can’t the same answer apply?

  • Judy

    isnt that just what Ham is doing?  That video is chilling. and you know what it reminds me of: Catechism classes which I faithfully (no pun intended) went to for all of my childhood.  
    Proselytizing is, after all, in the eye of the other guy. 

  • Aaron Scoggin

    So he tries to win an argument by comparing himself to Adolf Hitler?


  • chicago dyke

    i just had an argument with an agnostic friend about this. “all atheists are proselytizing!” he shouted at me. it’s so odd; normally he’s a very bright person and resists that sort of generalizing. but to his mind, anyone who claims the atheist mantle is automatically a “believer in just another religion.” 

    i don’t get that, i just don’t. i’m very, very clear about what my atheism means to me: i do not accept, endorse or believe in the supernatural and/or mythological, which i take all religious texts, organizations and practices that make claims about invisible but somehow active ‘powers’ that work in this world to be.

     if i can’t see, hear, touch or otherwise perceive it, it’s probably not real. so far, all mythological beings have failed that test. reason, logic and demonstrable fact are more useful in day to day life than “faith.” having studied a great deal of religious history, i’m pretty confident when i say most religious leadership are/have been mostly concerned with making money, controlling women, and/or oppressing some “other” with different skin tones, language, or ethnicity. 

    ironically, i’m starting to view other things in the same way as i view religions, and feel inclined to lump them together, in the realm of fantasy. the “science” of economics. political party affiliation. capitalism. fossil fuel based energy. those are arguments for other blogs/posts, but damn if i can’t see a whole mess of similarities. 

  • TheBlackCat

     If they checked facts they wouldn’t his audience anymore

  • Glasofruix

    Of course not, since the bible is the absolute truth, it even says so…

  • Baby_Raptor

    This makes about as much sense as the time Faux News called everyone who watches My Little Pony terrorists because it teaches being friends with people despite any differences you may have with them.

    These people are idiots. 

  • vexorian

    But in this case, the site is directed towards children of humanists. Not all children ever. If this was a billboard or if we had people handing links to the sites near schools, then it would be proselytizing, and the kind of thing that makes me proud.

  • judyt54

    im always amazed that anyone thinks atheists try to convert people.  In my experience most of us are pretty much live and let live.  I really dont care WHAT anyone believes, as long as they keep it on their side of the fence and keep the dog quiet at night.  
    and I surely don’t give a rip about biblical quotes or chariots in the sky.  Nor do I wish to be counseled about them.   

    And I really have trouble seeing atheism or any of its subtle shades as a religion, period.  Except to say that my belief system points inward,  and I am the major one I believe in. Life is nicer that way.

  • judyt54

    And how does Ham know?  He’s using a very old book that has  gone through the fire of many translations and pen blots. And yet it’s the word of god.  Which word. Which god.  and who wrote it down?     

  • Adam Patrick

    There’s a reply to that on the AIG website. Basically, it says,  “Though we weren’t there, we know someone who was. Someone who can’t lie and wrote down what happened in the Bible”

  • julie

    Is it just me, or do a lot of agnostics think this way? I mean, I have nothing wrong with someone not knowing what they believe and I would definitely have considered myself agnostic at one point. But it seems like they tend to assume that “atheist” = “100% sure that there is no god.” They usually don’t believe in one, but they don’t identify as atheist because of this misconception and they argue with us as if we are completely sure of this and determined not to believe in a god even if evidence was given.
    I heard some guy talking about a book he read where God dies and all the funny way different religions react. The atheists quickly try to destroy the evidence so that no one thinks God ever existed. I felt like banging my head against the desk. Not. How. Atheism. Works!!!

  • eddieVroom

    Well, if they do truly believe that they are up against the conspiracy, I have to wonder which among us, having infiltrated our opponent, promoted distributing our propoganda amongst themselves with the excuse that this is illustrative of what it looks like.

  • julie

    I feel like there should be more distinction between proselytizing, advertising, and informing.
    It feels good to take the high ground and say “We never do that!”
    I would consider “You KNOW it’s a myth. This season, celebrate reason” to be proselytizing just as much as I would consider “Jesus is the reason for the season” to be proselytizing. I’d say the distinction is that atheists are much less likely to engage in the more annoying forms of proselytizing, but it doesn’t mean we never try to convince the public.

  • eddieVroom

     Also, they arguably worship the Bible itself *as* “God”, as opposed to worshipping God per se. Of course, their “god in a binder” inevitably fails to meet their expectations, so they presume to act *as* God. In truth, they act as a blind and deluded god, for that is what they are.

  • John of Indiana

    “He alone, who owns the youth, gains the Future! ”
    That was Schicklgruber? I though that was Rousas John Rushdoony…

    Ken Ham, your projection is showing REAL bad. everything you accuse the AHA of, you Reconstructionists have been doing for years.

  • Sarah

    Or being nice.

  • DougI

    So Ham thinks all of Hitler’s ideology can be captured in one quote?  I suppose he thinks all childhood education is “Hitleresque”?  What a lunatic.  His crazy rants just scream of desperation.

    Doing a quick search I find:
    The Answers Book for Kids: Volume 1 BY Ken Ham

    I guess Ham has to admit that he’s a Nazi.

  • Christopher Buchholz

    It’s like the people complaining about “sit next to a stranger day” on oct 30. OMG, we can’t have kids being nice and friendly to the outcast kids! Those weirdos are supposed to be outcast! Didn’t Jesus say blessed are the popular?

  • Darrell Ross

    Proselytizing or not is besides the point. The message is what counts.

    The general AHA message is one of rational thought, asking questions, and providing honest answers. 

    Christians claiming atheists proselytize reminds me of white people complaining about reverse racism.

    While the definition of proselytize can include attempting to convert anyone to your own way of thinking, I think most people associate it with conversion to a religious viewpoint.

    I think it is disingenuous of Christians to claim atheists are proselytizing by putting up billboards. This comes from their need to label atheism as a religion. They just cannot come to grips with non-belief. If this were not the case, I would expect to see them complaining about proselytizing instead of advertising. If they don’t like a Macy’s ad or a JC Penny ad, why don’t they call that proselytizing? Oh, right, because they aren’t trying to brand those companies as religions so they can tear them down.

  • Kopps0

    Not to try and take away from the seriousness of the conversation, but on the first read, I saw “generously gives his monkey to his friends.” A better friend I have never known!

  • Kopps0

    I guess I’m lucky in that me and my parents give each other a lot of crap about our religion (or lack thereof in my case), but in a very good natured way.  Whenever I visit them on a weekend, they’ll wake me up to ask if I want to go to church with them, but I just tell them to text me if Jesus shows up. And then we laugh and laugh.

    Also, the physics nut in me is compelling me to let you know by the logic in your third paragraph, the Higgs Boson and Dark Matter are not real.

  • Bailey Bednar

    So Hambone goes on to say that an athiest group is the work of the devil… which we don’t believe in either.

  • Glasofruix

     Well, that excludes Jebus.

  • Brent

    I think it’s kind of like confirmation bias. They already agree with him, so they just assume that whatever he links to backs up his statements. I know I’m guilty of the same thing from time to time when I read an opinion piece that coincides with my own views.

  • Georgina

     Barney Rubble?

  • Georgina

    If the math works – that is proof enough for me.  After all, I believe in the square root of minus one!

  • judyt54

    you also have to remember that this guy is talking to kids.  He’s filling them up, teaching them automatic responses to questions so that they never ever have to think about the answers.  When they do get old enough to compare what they have learned with what science has discovered, their minds will automtically close down and not even see it.  This is the scary part.  In a way  they are learning to step over the drunk in the street without ever seeing that it’s really an old lady who fell down. 

  • Luther

     If they would only note that Hitler joined the army in WW I. Perhaps we would ban anyone from participating in military service.

  • judyt54

    lol.  it is a package deal, after all.  If  they’re trying to frighten us with the devil, they have to assume that devil/god/heaven/bible/ are all part of the same story that people tell each other at night to keep from getting scared.  And that we secretly buy into that because ‘how can you NOT believe?”  

     I really think that the Atheists have a much sturdier sense of self, of empowerment, of self-worth, than most Fundies and Christians, who for centuries have been praying to Daddy to save them from themselves.    I asked a cousin of mine once why she gave god all the credit for her success and the devil took all the blame for her mistakes.  She looked at me as if I were possessed, and I said, Julie, when to you get to take the reins?   “When I die” she said. 

  • MariaO

    In the mean time, Conservapedia has the following on th e front page today:
    “Atheist and evolutionist women are like drippy faucets! Long haired, creationist, wife sweethearts are fruitful and multiply. The righteous shall inherit the earth! ”

    and linking to an article containing this:

    “Is it clear to you now?   Creationist women are long haired, submissive sweethearts with loving husbands and well behaved children. No wonder why they have more children than short haired, butch, evolutionist, feminist women!”

    So, true christians will inherit the earth by having more children than atheists. But that  is evolution! So in order to extinguish the knowledge of evolution, you have to rely on evolution to work for you…

  • njew84

    I know you don’t have to be a Christian to be a good person. My mother is an atheist/agnostic and she is a very good person. Unfortunately I believe there is a God, not just slightly but very strongly, without a shadow of a doubt. My mother doesn’t try to force her world view on me and I don’t try to force it on her. Likewise, I’m not forcing my worldview on my children, rather I’m letting them grow up in the environment and leading by example. There is absolutely nothing I can do to make them believe in God. Nothing, except lead by example and pray they find him. When they get out in the real world and our public school starts teaching about the universe being billions of years old and dinosaurs never walked with humans and we are a product of billions of years of an evolutionary process of natural selection, what do you think they are going to think? Our only way to keep them from learning this, private school. I’m not saying take evolution out of school. I’m not, however I do think it should be worded very carefully. Facts are like math problems and history, constants, things that absolutely cannot be refuted no way shape or form. Science is ever changing, new evidence is founded almost every day, therefore it is not an absolute and it shouldn’t be taught as such. Again I’m not saying science is all lies, it may very well be true, just carefully worded. Maybe instead of saying the universe IS billions of years old like I see on many science shows and was taught in public school, maybe they can say “we think” or “we have a pretty good idea that…” There is a certain area that is simply untested or untestable that if it were possible to test could very well refute our entire understanding of the very foundation of science. It’s just simply not tested and therefore impossible to prove otherwise.

  • judyt54

    and the key to that is the word ‘submissive”.   Whether she wants to or not,  she gets pregnant, over and over.   And none of them say anything other than ‘it’s god’s will’.  

  • E.a. Higgins

    Ahh, always goes back to Hitler when talking about atheists, doesn’t it? But the religionists always seem to ignore Hitler’s chosen religion. 

  • Swedej

    Is Mister Ham really afraid of the competition?

  • Aubrey A

    I’m tired of the Christians proselytizing MY children.  There have been days when my daughter comes home talking about fun Christian celebrations and Heaven.  It’s like they are trying to romanatize their religion for kids, and when that doesn’t work, they bring in the threat of eternal damnation.  The Kids Without God website is a resource for parents to use, and I’m glad it’s there.

  • Hankinsjan

    Ken Hamm is a ham in the most Hitlerian sense.

  • Hankinsjan

    You mean Alphaman Omega?

  • John Dill

    I went to his Answers In Genesis camp and countless seminars when I was a kid. He’s still teaching them the same old canned dialog that he taught me. He literally makes you say these lines over and over until you can spout them at any question a non-young-earther asks. 

  • Gmkern1

    I like to say, “so it took your all powerful god six days to make just the earth? And he needed to rest?! Doesn’t sound all powerful to me!”. If I’m feeling extra confrontational, I’ll throw in something about creating the earth from nothing, but needing a clump of dirt to make Adam. A whole planet + sun, nothing. One little man, something.

  • Aarron Dixon

    Our scientific equipment, our machines and our math just act as an extension of our human perception.  His point was that we have hard evidence of its’ existence.  He didn’t mean that we need to be able to directly touch or see something with our own senses. 

    Supernatural claims are not only without evidence, but generally in opposition to all evidence. 

  • Ben Williamson

    I don’t think he had any fear of christians actually going to the site. The entire premise of the religion is self-imposed ignorance. The bible is available for all of them to read, but they refuse to read it cover to cover.  In fact, I’ve never met a christian who has. The only people I know who’ve read it completely are people like me, atheists who once thought of themselves as christians, who wanted to learn as much as they could about their god, only to be horrified by the petulant child the god of the bible actually is and the blatant lies told to them by preachers.

  • Ned Carter

    Oh no… the guy who cannot think critically is complaining about teaching children how to ward off charlatans and liars through the use of their brains. He should hop on one of his dinosaurs and ride it off into the sunset… or off a cliff… the faster to be with his jesus.

  • Ned Carter

     Advertising is not proselytizing.  And saying there is no god is not attacking religion. Claiming you have the only path to truth through your bronze aged book, handing out shame for being human, deriding children for not believing as you do, threatening eternal punishment for using you brain.. these things are. The difference between rational thinking and religion is that they are completely different and CANNOT BE COMPARED TO ONE ANOTHER. like apples being compared to the moon.

  • mechanoid

    The projection is staggering.

    ‘As Adolf Hitler said: ““He alone, who owns the youth, gains the Future!”

    (–Adolf Hitler, as quoted in Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression, vol. 1
    (Washington, D.C.: United States Government Printing Office, 1946), p.

    This, from Ken Ham? The man who crows about teaching children to ask “were you there”? Wow.

  • Josh Weide

    When it comes to guys named Ham or Meat Loaf, why would anyone take what they have to say seriously? We all saw what happened to Ham Rove.

  • John Davis

    THE FREETHINKER recently noted: ” The 2012 Texas Republican party platform
    has just published a report in which is says ‘knowledge-based
    education’ has no place in the state because it encourages critical
    thinking.”  –No joke!
    Here it is:

    Attacking critical thinking is one thing; …but lizards???

  • Miss_Beara

    If you don’t like something or someone, just compare them to Hitler or Nazis.

  • markvturner

    I agree, but I also think the whole tolerance doctrine needs to change to leave room for disagreeing with other people’s beliefs.

    I absolutely agree that we should be nice and friendly to believers, but that does not mean we should just accept their beliefs.  The children’s book on Kids without God website says “Darwin also knows that some people still believe in some of these stories, and that’s okay.”  That seems to be a trend in the atheist community nowadays, and it’s one I disagree with.  Is NOT okay to believe stories are true without any proof.

    Be tolerant of the believers, but be intolerant of their beliefs.

  • BeasKnees

    “Atheist/Humanist groups communicate information. Theists apply marketing. The difference is in the outcome.”  

    I see what you are saying, but I would argue that Atheist billboards, internet ads, etc. is also marketing.  Also, isn’t the desired outcome for communicating this information that those who are religious see the error in their thinking? Atheist/Humanist groups may not be trying to convert people to join a specific church or organization, but they are “proselytizing” for reason, which is something definitely worth fighting for in my opinion.  

  • judyt54

     If you deny someone their own belief in their own beliefs aren’t you actually denying them something that is part of their core?   I know *I* don’t think much of people who say, “hey I like YOU but I don’t like your religion because it’s bogus”. 

    Look at it this way:  a man says he loves X, he thinks she’s an amazing person.  You think he’s nuts and she’s a mess.  So you say, “You’re wrong,  you can’t love her, she’s not right for you, and you’ll have to show me how she’s so terrific.  Show me your feelings for her.”

    In other words, there are places you really can’t delve because what is proof to them is not proof to you,  and all the arguing in the world is not going to budge them, or you.

    We’re talking about intangibles, here,  feelings, beliefs, all of that.  And there is where proof  has to take a back seat.  Alternatively,  someone says to you, ‘prove to me there IS no God.  That those rocks are really as old as some stupid scientist says’.  =)  You’re still taking someone else’s word for something, in the case of the rocks,  and it happens to be something you *know* because someone told you.  

  • amycas

     No. Just no. Science is a method, and if you expected it to be a bunch of facts that are merely taught, then you were sorely mistaken. Here’s the thing though: the facts we know today, don’t typically change dramatically. Most of the new things we learn are built on top of the things we already knew. Paradigm shifts do happen in science, but it takes a lot of evidence and time to make that happen. By the way, the same holds true for history. We do know the universe is billions of years old, because if the dating techniques used are wrong, then we would have to rework basically everything we know about physics and radioactive decay. If our knowledge of the age of the universe changes, it would most likely just be refined, not changed to a completely new age orders of magnitude younger than what we know now.

  • matt

     That’s why science great.  If something is found to be inconsistent, it is thrown out and the quest for truth continues.  Religions leave no room for update or modification.  This is why so much bigotry is based in religion. 

  • Lucy Viegas

    As Hitler said, who paints a sky green and pastures blue ought to be sterilized. 

  • TheLastConservative

    This is a classic example of Reductio ad Hitlerum “an informal fallacy that consists of trying to refute an opponent’s view by comparing it to a view that would be held by Adolf Hitler or the Nazi Party. ” (wikipedia)
    For example: Ken Ham breathes air just like Hitler, thus he can’t be trusted.
    Another example: You know Hitler was a vegetarian right? Maybe you should eat meat.

  • Captnavenger

    We’re talking about a man who equates Atheism not with a simple non-belief in a god, but with service to “the evil one.” His paranoia there is two-fold. Firstly, he can’t just believe people disbelieve, he has to think their disbelief is a cover for their worship of The Devil.

    And secondly, “The Evil One” is a proper noun in this usage, but he obviously shares the same superstitions as some of my childhood Catholic friends, who also refused to use proper capitalization for The Devil because that might “give him power to enter the room” and thus “enter their lives.”

  • Robert Miller

    Actually the sky is many colors depending on where you live, the current composition of the atmosphere and the level and angle of light based on the rotation and tilt of the earth relative to its orbital position. LOL Sorry I had a geek moment.

  • Cyril Ramkin

    Didn’t a wise man once say “Give me the boy until he is seven years of age, and I’ll give you the man”?

    I forget who it was. Darwin? Dawkins? PZ?

  • Dubliner

     Crikey! Australia gave you Rupert Murdoch and Ken Ham?! They really don’t like Americans do they. And you haven’t even bombed them yet!

  • Deven Kale

     Love the sinner, hate the sin?

    I’m sure you understand my concern for this type of thinking when worded that way. We’ve all seen where that type of thinking takes people*.

    *Hint: homosexuality.

  • Deven Kale

     My response to that is, “How do you know he’s the one who wrote the Bible? Were you there?”

  • Deven Kale

     *”Her point,” and “She didn’t.”

    Otherwise, well said! +1

  • HughInAz

    As Hitler said, “I am now as before a Christian and will always remain so.”

  • Baby_Raptor

    Facts are facts whether you choose to believe them or not. You can sit there and clutch pearls over your children being exposed to things you don’t like, but that doesn’t make it untrue. Neither does all your word salad about what you “think.”

  • NickDB

    To the “Were you there?” I’d answer yes, then start off with Carl Sagan’s we’re made of starstuff. Explain to them the scientific theories behind the formation of planets etc. Tell them that they were there too.

    Kids love a good story, and the “Were you there?” If answered right gives us an opening to give them a brilliant story.

  • NickDB

     Yup, believe what you want, just don’t use those beliefs to make decisions that affect others.

  • Mareli

    Just because Hitler said something does not make it false.  He had a very good grasp of some aspects of human nature and used that knowledge to good effect for many years.  He would tell the truth or a lie with equal conviction.  If the truth served his purpose, he told it; if not, he lied.  His difficulty arose when he began believing his own lies.  Other people had believed them for years, unfortunately.

  • Mareli

    The Bible says something of this sort, that if one brings up a child to believe a certain way, in the child’s adult years he will not depart from it.  I have found this “ain’t necessarily so,” but it often is.