Bill O’Reilly: ‘Christianity is Not a Religion; It’s a Philosophy’

Earlier tonight, our friend and American Atheists President Dave Silverman appeared on The O’Reilly Factor to discuss — what else? — the War on Christmas.

The most amazing part of the conversation may have been O’Reilly’s retort to Silverman saying the government shouldn’t be promoting religion: “Christianity is not a religion; it is a philosophy.”

You know what the appropriate reaction to that has to be:

Later, O’Reilly claimed that a Christmas tree was a secular symbol, not recognizing the hypocrisy in that statement. (Silverman pounced on it, though.)

Then, there was this classic exchange, after Silverman argued against the idea of Christmas as a federal holiday:

O’Reilly: You and your merry band of fascists —

Silverman: Fascists?! Fascists.

O’Reilly: You get [Christmas] revoked!

Silverman: You called me a fascist!?

O’Reilly: Absolutely!

Silverman: I am a patriot, sir!

O’Reilly: You are a fascist.

Silverman: I am a patriot who is taking the crazy notion that everybody in this country is equal and that the government has to treat everybody fairly. That’s fascism?!

Silverman after being called a fascist. Let the memes begin.

Silverman handled that brilliantly. O’Reilly had his arrogance thrown right back in his face by a supposed bogeyman who ended up looking like the only reasonable person in the conversation.

***Update***: American Atheists’ Teresa MacBain has something to say about whether or not Christianity is a religion:

I’m a former pastor, who served many churches for over 20 years. I would consider myself somewhat of an expert. Trust me; Christianity is a religion by any modern definition. According to my theology professors, Christianity has been and always will be a religion. Every priest, every pastor, every Sunday School teacher, choir member, deacon, usher, and pew sitter will tell you that Christianity is a religion. So where did Mr. O’Reilly come up with this idea? Oh! I know! The tides told him.


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  • ReadsInTrees

    Christianity is not a religion. Hm….that’s a new one.

  • http://twitter.com/LesterBallard66 Lester Ballard

    What I always hear is that Christianity isn’t a religion. Judaism and Islam and Hinduism and the others are religions. Christianity is a personal relationship with God. Of course, when it comes to First Amendment protection, then it’s a religion. I don’t know what O’ Reilly is getting at.

    • jdm8

      It annoys me that Christians make up their own meanings for words, saying Christianity isn’t a religion is a half-assed way to say their beliefs are better, truer or something that sets themselves apart. The most common is to say Christianity is a faith. They get a little annoyed when I show them the dictionary entry for religion. I’ve yet to need to point out the definition of faith.

      I think one can say there are philosophical aspects to religion, but it’s usually a side show, in part because the answers are generally pre-cooked and questioning is very often highly discouraged.

  • http://religiouscomics.net/ Jeff P

    O’Reilly is completely full of sh*t.

    He is acting like any metaphysical stance involving the supernatural would fall under Christianity and then the specific details or religions would be the various sub-sects of Christianity.    Well the last I checked, there are many many different notions other than Christianity of positing supernatural aspects to the world.  Christianity is definitely a religion.  It just has a poorly written users manual so the religion has splintered and fractionated multiple times over the interpretation of the doctrine and various scriptures.  But they all believe the same basic things - that people are born sinners and going to hell unless you do a little “dance” and get saved by zombie Jesus.

  • phantomreader42

    If christianity is not a religion, then every single christian church in the country owes two hundred thirty-six years of back taxesWith interest.  And all the pastors and priests and other various cult leaders should be arrested for tax evasion and fraud. 

    • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

       *applauds*

    • guest

      Religious organizations have only been exempt from tax since 1894.

      • http://twitter.com/realpigasus ༻Benedict Harris༺

        Yeah, come on phantomreader42, it’s only 118 years. 

      • Cam

        Actually, it was made a law in 1894 that churches are tax exempt.  Churches were not taxed long before 1894, but it was made official under the IRS in 1894.

        • guest

          So basically, religious organizations have only been exempt from tax since 1894? And your post’s only purpose was to show that you’re a pretentious snob?

          • Kanubi

            Guest, this is a forum for intelligent discourse, so youmight as well leave now.

            • bobthechef

              Funny, I was about to say the same to you. But I generally avoid such pointless entanglements.

    • nakedanthropologist

      Yes! Absolutely! C’mon Bill, put your church’s money where your mouth is, you blathering, idiotic fool.

    • http://sportsbooksforbabies.com/ Ken Ashe

      O’Reilly is a tool

      • http://twitter.com/tifosies tifosies

         That gives him waaaaaaay too much credit as it implies he’s useful…

    • Mobus Gochfulshigan Dorphin

      But an organization does not have to be religious to be exempt under 501(c)3, only non profit.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001736525906 Hamid Afra

    I am so happy that I live in Canada and not in the United States . America is 100 years behind in liberalism from US

    • FSM

       http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/foxcanada.asp

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001736525906 Hamid Afra

        I said basic cables. I have Fox News as part of my add-on channels , but Fox News cant get into basic services

        • Nynetguy

          You’re still wrong as Fox has been available on Canadian digital television since at least 2004.

          There simply is not ban against Fox in Canada so please try again.

          • http://www.facebook.com/botulox Andrés Rodríguez Ferreira

            You’re not reading are you?. He said in BASIC cable service. As in, the basic array of channels they provide you when you sign the contract.

            • http://twitter.com/trvrhnry Trevor Henry

              They aren’t banned, they simply aren’t included in any basic cable packages in Canada. There is an important difference in wording here.

              • Justcause3324i

                FoxNews isn’t a BASIC cable channel.  The is a local channel that has local news programming, but that is completely different from the FoxNews that O’reilly is on.  We have to have it as an “add on” as well.

                • Justcause3324i

                  Whoops.  There are local Fox channels that have morning and evening news broadcasts but those are not the same as FoxNews channel. 

                • Thackerie

                   Where I live (Washington D.C. surburbs) Fox “News” is included in the BASIC line up. I didn’t ask for it. I don’t want it. But there it is … to be ignored by sane people.

            • Blacksheep

              he said “banned”.

    • shane_c

       Its his opinion. You want him censored. Youre worse than he is.

      • Ethan O

        Yea, excuse everyone here for not wanting lies spread all over national television being labelled as facts. You’re a retard.

        • You’re a Retard

          It’s freedom of press. He wants your rights infringed upon, and you want his. From my viewpoint, you both are equal in that facet.

        • Servantranger

          Oh, you mean the liberal media

          • Guest19485

            That’s the beauty of the Fox model. They talk nonsense so logically people say they are lying. Then when people that like the Fox news’ fairytales fairy tales are confronted with facts they just say “Well if Fox news is lying, I’m sure all news is lying”. Which in fact is a logical fallacy.

            …Also, “fox news” is an oxymoron. If anything it should be a show on comedy central, not have it’s own channel

      • Ender

        If you call your network a news network yet all you do is produce slander, than you should be taken off the air. Fox News should be labeled to viewers in the same way the National Enquirer is labeled.

      • Michael B

        You need to understand the difference between fact and opinion. You’re completely off base here. 

        Few definitions for you:
        Religion – the service and worship of God or the supernaturalChristianity – the religion derived from Jesus Christ, based on the Bible as sacred scripture

      • Christine

        Not censored. He just should be advertised as entertainment television instead of news.

    • Blacksheep

      You guys ban free speech? After the weather report I just turn fox off.

      • Bruc3615

        but their weather report is most likely biased too. “today is going to rain all day with the likely assumption that GOD is helping the droute and anyone not republican is fascist.” LOLOL

        • http://twitter.com/tifosies tifosies

           hah!

      • John Cook

        Christians attempt to ban atheist advertising and TV!

    • G Cowell

       Interestingly 2 reporters of Foxnews were denied their claims for unfair dismissal, because Fox’s lawyers claimed their news programs are entertainment and do not have to be factual or truthful.  perhaps Fox will be sued at some stage for incorrectly labelling their news programs as news and not as entertainment.

      • Alicia

        Now with THAT I can agree.

    • Patty

      learn some damn english hamid

      • Kanubi

        Patty, Hamid lives in CANADA!  He doesn’t HAVE TO conform to the expectations of silly xenophobic douchebags like you!

    • kaydenpat

       Banned from basic cable, but available for those who have premium cable?  When I visit my family in Canada, they have Fox News, but unfortunately not MSNBC.

    • MeKo

       Last year, when our Ontario office sent out the Happy Holidays message, there were complaints that Canada was founded as a Christian country and they should say Merry Christmas. So the dumbening is spreading. (Also, it’s weird because Boxing Day is pretty Canadian and if I were Canadian, I’d be more distressed by the spreading of blather from the US.)

    • Guest

       I don’t think you have a fair conception of the US.  We don’t “deal” with Mr. O’Reilly on the daily basis, he has a TV show that some people watch.  Our country has 300 million people, and most of us don’t watch this show.

  • ortcutt

    If Chriatianity isn’t a religion, then I guess we don’t have to worry about Christians’ Free Exercise claims then.  Right?  I mean, you can’t have it both ways.  Christianity can’t be a “philosophy” for the purpose of Establishment Clause claims and a religion for the purpose of Free Exercise Clause claims.  

  • pRinzler

    Just when I think that Bill O’Reilly can’t be any more absurd, he satisfies my craving for hilarity.   Christianity is not a religion.  A Christmas tree is not a religious symbol.

    Dave Silverman doesn’t even have to practice his dumbfounded look, he gets all the practice he needs.  Thank no-God that Dave has that look, we need the visualization of incredulity to fully appreciate how far off the rails Bill-O and his ilk have traveled.

    • Ibis3

      A Christmas tree is not a religious symbol.

      Well, unless one is a practising Pagan, that’s probably true. Just like Wednesday isn’t a day religiously dedicated to Odin.

      • eonL5

        Agreed. It’s high time non Christians take back “Christmas” Trees. They aren’t religious to anybody but a practicing Pagan, as you say. They are actually a pretty secular symbol of winter celebrations. We just need to always call them anything BUT “Christmas” trees, over and over, never taking any guff from the fairy tale crowd.

        • monyNH

           I’ll second that, eonL5! For years, I tried referring to it as a “Yule tree” or “Solstice tree”…it started to just sound prickish and pretentious, so it was back to ‘ole “Christmas tree”. You’ve inspired me, though, to try again!

  • idea1013

    Religions are philosophies with tighter constraints.

    • Bill Haines

      No, they’re not.

      philosophy

      1. The study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, esp. when considered as an academic discipline.

      2. A set of views and theories of a particular philosopher concerning such study or an aspect of it.

      religion

      1. The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods.

      2. Details of belief as taught or discussed.

      Religion is community, morals, rituals based on polemics, myths, supernatural beliefs.  Philosophy is worldview, lifestance, ethics based on experience, logic, dialogue.

      Quite different.

    • RobMcCune

      Few (if any) religions start with premises and work their way toward conclusions. Religions begin with mythology, tradition and revealed knowledge, and those are almost always unquestionable.

      • idea1013

        I disagree. Religions were created based on premises- false ones to be sure, but they did start with  a question to be answered. Unfortunately, when the majority of religions practiced today were created, reason was not the rule of the day. They used the information they had, and came to conclusions based on that. As religions grow, rules of order are put into place- again based on faulty thinking- imposing tighter and tighter constraints on its followers, due to the conclusions the practitioners/creators of the belief system have reached. 

  • A3Kr0n

    David Silverman just gets better and better!

  • http://aboutkitty.blogspot.com/ Cat’s Staff

    Age old joke… Philosophy asks questions that may never be answered. Religion provides answers that may never be questioned.

    • Guest

      Way to keep it short and simple, it would’ve taken me a wall of text to express what you just summed up. I agree completely. They say there’s a bit of truth behind every joke, but in this case, it’s all truth.

    • muffler

       True and Philosophies don’t have places of worship and tax free status.  O’Reilly is a nut!

      • Servantranger

        O’Reilly is human. He is wrong now and then too.

        • muffler

          This isn’t a basic mistake. He took the position in order to gain a position of strength against an actual philosophy. The fact is the Christian religion started out as a religion and spent a great deal of time squashing philosophies – see Stoic and others – because philosophy requires that facts are the basis of decision. So philosophies are based the use of facts and nothing is more dangerous to a religion based on faith than facts. O’Reilly knew exactly what he was doing. Human he is, but old enough to know the difference.

        • Thackerie

           Absolutely! He was wrong THEN and he’s still wrong NOW.

        • Derrik Pates

          “Now and then”? Only if by that you mean he was wrong in the past, and he’s equally wrong now.

    • bananana slug

      I think there’s another about science finding answers that will always be questioned or something.

    • Servantranger

      You said it!

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GodVlogger?feature=mhee GodVlogger (on YouTube)

    I love David Silverman. He went into the slimy pit of Bill I’ll-interupt-you-before-you-can-answer-my-question O’Reilly. And David Silverman came out on top. 

    Christianity is not a religion. 
    We don’t know what causes the tides. 

    David Silverman takes these in stride far better than I ever could. 

    I tip my hat to David, and am proud to be a dues-paying member of American Atheists.

    • FSM

       Absolutely I would like to thank David Silverman as well. There is no amount of money in the world that would get me on O’really’s show.

      • Marco Conti

        Well, I am not sure about that. In fact, I’d be pretty cheap in that respect. 

      • Tommy

        Bottom line, Bill got people talking and got your attention. Amazing how many people here who don’t watch Fox have comments as if they witnessed it directly and heard everything he said. When in reality by their own admission “they don’t watch Fox”

    • Joeliz6

      As they say “Amen!”

    • IfIWereYou

       If I were on O’Reilly’s show, hearing all that., he’d be begging for a bitchslap.

  • Octoberfurst

     O’Reilly is such a moron! “Christianity isn’t a religion–it’s a philosophy.”  Since when?  I think that 99.99% of all Christians I know would say that Christianity IS a religion. It has a God, it has sacred texts, it has a set of beliefs, etc.  How is that NOT a religion?  And I loved how O’Reilly kept saying that atheists want to ban all Christmas trees even though Mr Silverman kept telling him that was not true.   I can’t believe that a dimwit like O’Reilly has one of the highest rated cable TV shows in America. That is a sad commentary on the American people.

    • Bad_homonym

      Wasn’t it not so long ago that Jerry Springer was also atop the TV ratings?

      • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

        At least Springer made sense and had a coherent message at the end of his show…

      • Octoberfurst

         Ahh yes, how could I forget about that train wreck.   :-(

    • guest

      I believe that what he is getting at, is that when Jesus came, He came to abolish the religious aspect of the religion. Being a christian means that one does not simply follow a set of rules. Technically “everything is permissible but not everything is beneficial” what we do is out of love for the one who outright forgave everything we have done, not because we earned it, but because we cared enough to ask. As a “christian” it is commonly said that we are not religious, we have a relationship with Christ.

      • C Peterson

        …when Jesus came, He came to abolish the religious aspect of the religion.

        Well, he did a piss-poor job, didn’t he?

        • Blacksheep

          No, he did a perfect job, but people haven’t followed along very well.

          • C Peterson

            A deity that can’t get its followers to follow is a piss-poor excuse for a deity.

          • Guest

            That would be the deffinition of doing it piss porly.

          • Joeliz6

            Jesus was the first hippie we have heard of. He preached peace and love. He even started the “look”. Don’t take abilities we all possess and make them into a religion.

      • Ethan O

        Don’t try to twist O’Reilly’s words around to make them right just because you’re one of the morons that actually watches and likes his show. You know what he meant when he said it’s not a religion. Any reasonable person knew what he meant. He meant it LITERALLY. You’re just as narrow-minded as he is.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000518265399 David J. Korczyk

           Ethan, shut the fuck up.  You’re wrong and a terrible troll.

          • Rickyeagan

            Lol, …..replies the Christian. Calm down.

            • kaydenpat

               A cussing Christian too. 

        • Pseudonym

          Sadly, the principle of charity, which is the foundational principle of critical thinking, is little-known around here.

      • Joeliz6

        I am a proud atheist. I had 12 yrs of Catholic education.By the time I was 14 yrs old I knew there was no god. There were questions with no answers. Just repitition of the same don’ts every year. I found I could be a good, moral person without having those 10 rules and a man written book  of stories to tell me how. The threat of hell to keep everyone in line! Life has enough hard times that it can be considered hell on occasion.Live life for this life. When you die you are dead!

        • Coachkendrick

          Out of curiosity, if a Christian is wrong in their beliefs, and you are right,then nothing really happens. However if the Christian is correct in their beliefs and your wrong, then you are pretty well screwed aren’t you???

          • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

            Pascal’s Wager doesn’t fly here, man. (Plus, it doesn’t take into account all the OTHER gods that have been worshiped throughout human history — what if the Egyptians were right? Will your heart weigh less than the Feather of Maat?)

          • Alex

            I’m not sure if you’re Christian or not, but if you are, then don’t use Pascal’s Wager. If fearing hellfire is your reasoning for believing in God and doing his will, then I think it’s safe to say you’re on your way to hell as well (provided one actually believes in God)

      • Alex

        Nice try. Christianity is a religion, whether you think so or not.  If you have a “relationship with Christ” (essentially God), then by definition you are religious, because you believe in a deity and follow his creed. If Jesus comes and says “I am the son of God and I instruct you with a divine moral code,” then he’s actually infusing his philosophy with religion. Christianity is a philosophy AND a religion, because religion is a form of philosophy.

      • Guest19485

        A philosophy is just a system of values by which one lives, so christianity is a philosophy, but it is a religion too.

        The problem here is that he said it ISN’T a religion therefore no seperation of church and state and people can be forced to learn it etc…

        No one really care that he said it was a philosophy as well, it was his denial of the religious aspect.

      • kaydenpat

         HUH?  Christianity is a religion, just like Judaism, Hinduism, etc.

      • Lucretiuscarus

        Guest, you said “Technically “everything is permissible but not everything is beneficial”.”  Are you confusing Christianity with Assassin’s Creed?

      • Thackerie

        Abolish the religious aspect of the religion? You mean like baptism rituals, the sinner’s prayer, communion/eucharist, weekly (or more frequent) worship services in churches, etc., etc., etc.?

        As much as you and some christians deny it (and I can understand why you are driven by embarrassment to do so), you DO have a religion. And you have a relationship with an image in your own mind based on the hear-say transmitted by your pastor, parents and/or other indoctrinators. That is all.

  • curtst

    As if we really needed another reason to know Bill is a complete moron?

  • pRinzler

    In absolutely no sense of thinking that Bill-O had a point, but merely as an explanation:

    Bill-O must have thought that “philosophy” includes the umbrella under which a group of sects are related, and the sects themselves are only properly called “religions.”  Of course, he pulled that from his or someone else’s sit-upon, but that must have been what he was thinking (if you use the term “thinking” loosely).

    • Sven2547

      In other words, Islam isn’t a religion either.  After all, it is composed of multiple sects.
      Conservative heads would explode.

      • Dan

        Exactly, and according to O’Reilly’s definition Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, and shamanism aren’t religions either, since they all have sects within them. Even Catholics, Baptists, Unitarians, and the Amish wouldn’t be belong to proper religions, since there are splinter sects within those groups too.

  • Aaron Scoggin

    Christianity is not a religion, eh? So how about all those Christian churches enjoying a RELIGIOUS EXEMPTION. So you’re saying that they should now pay taxes?

    No, of course not. Because that would be rational.

  • http://twitter.com/ErnestValdemar Ernest Valdemar

    1) I met Dave Silverman briefly a couple of years ago. I thanked him for going on O’Reilly and speaking directly to my mother and saying the things I felt I couldn’t say to her. He was a bit speechless. I flatter myself to think that he knows a little bit more now about his influence. Mom passed away earlier this year. Thank you, again, Dave Silverman.

    2) I grew up during the late 60s/early 70s. Believe it or not, it was easy then to adopt the  O’Reilly view of Christianity as a kind of deracinated, bland moral philosophy and secular deism. Not a big deal. At that time, an actual personal God who played a role in human affairs was a distinctly minority view. If you don’t believe me, read up on Conservative responses to the candidacy of Born-Again Christian Jimmy Carter in ’76. Those were the days when committed Republicans objected to the involvement of evangelical Christians in electoral politics. Reagan, of course, changed all that.

    3) None of which is helped by Dave Silverman’s predecessor, Madelyn Murray O’Hair, who was probably the worst representative that American Atheism has ever endured. Her sole qualification seems to me to have been that she was not a Communist. Retrospectively, I’d rather have had American Atheism represented by unrepentant socialists like A. Philip Randolph, but that’s probably too much to ask for racist, Cold War America.

    A question for FA readers under the age of 40: Do you have any grasp of how much fundamental, socially constructed reality has changed since you were born? I don’t want to be all “Get off my lawn,” but on the other hand, I’m tired of living in a pulp-fiction time-travel SF story.

    • http://twitter.com/ErnestValdemar Ernest Valdemar

       Adding, in my youth I flirted with the Jesus Freaks and the Jack Chick tract crowd. I’m not an innocent in this tale of time travel and alternate universes. I just wish it would go away.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sandy-Kokch/100000074576649 Sandy Kokch

         Ern

        Thanks for the reminder that things were not always as they are now mate. Good post

        Now for the bad news. I have trouble explaining to my 13 year old nephew that when I was at University the computer I used was literally the size of a whole room and worked on punchcards, (I then have to explain punchcards – I usually say its Braille for computers), there was no such thing as the internet, and no such thing as a mobile phone. When I explain to hm that the computer he uses to Skype me is more powerful than all the computers that sent men to the moon it just blows his mind. The good bit is it encourages him to think about what he has and uses, and read about what came before.

        Luckily I dont have to explain Atheism to him as being British and 13, like Ricky Gervaise before him, he has put all the Biblical and other religious fairy tales in the same box as Santa and the Boogeyman.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6OE7LEYELE4MZTVXGZUSVTBFUI julie

      I can definitely understand that things were different and that just because I was raised with the world this way doesn’t mean that’s the only way it ever was.
      I just don’t know the specifics of how things might have been different. I never knew that the whole “personal relationship with Jesus” thing was a new idea until a few years ago when someone mentioned it.
      It’s not that I can’t picture the world being different, I just sometimes need to hear from other people exactly how it was different before I can form a better understanding. 

  • Aspieguy

    I don’t listen to Bill O’Reilly. I dislike listening to ranting.
    Actually, many churches teach that Christianity is not religion, but a “relationship”. Religion is man trying to win the favor of a god. Christianity is god trying to reach man in order to have a relationship. I don’t believe that. Christianity is clearly a religion.
    Please correct me if I am wrong.  Religion is derived from the Latin word “religiare”, meaning “to bind together”. People are bound together in religions by common beliefs and dogmas.
    Try telling that to christians. They will argue and attempt to prove you wrong. Never in my experience have I had one who was open to my alternative explanation.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Dharmaworks David Benjamin Patton

    If Bill O’Reilly actually believed half the shit that vomits out of his mouth he’d be so stupid he would be unable to tie his own shoes let alone be on national television every night. He knows a good game when he sees it and he’s made millions off of milking the credulity of legions of the truly stupid. He’s an asshole but he’s no fool.

    • Urn

      There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that that man is a complete and utter fucking sociopath!

      • Pseudonym

        He’s a performer, just like Stephen Colbert. Everyone who has been on Bill O’Reilly’s show, everyone who knows him, says that Bill O’Reilly the character is almost nothing like Bill O’Reilly the man.

  • Dplaat

    As a member of The (NY) Capital Region Atheists/Agnostics, I’ve proposed doing as Bill’O suggests, I could even act alone as I live blocks from the Capital; I would like to make an event out of it though. Challenge Accepted!

  • Pepe

    Wow Bill’O is a real dick.

  • Onamission5

    Not a religion? Awesome. Now make churches pay all the back taxes they owe from the past 2.5 centuries.

    Oh lookie there, it’s a religion again, you say?

  • http://www.skeptimusprime.com/ Dylan Walker

    Does O’Reilly think before he speaks?

  • http://www.theaunicornist.com Mike D

    The difference between religions and philosophies? Philosophies don’t have dogmas.

  • http://www.last.fm/user/m6wg4bxw m6wg4bxw

    Bill O’Reilly isn’t wrong. Dictionary.com’s first entry for “philosophy” reads, “the rational investigation of the truths and principles of being, knowledge, or conduct.” This sounds exactly like Christianity to me, except for the rationality. But then, most people consider themselves to be rational about such things, whatever their religious (or philosophical) position.

    • http://www.facebook.com/ProgressiveJosh Josh Myers

      Wrong. There is no investigation in Christianity. The story is told to you with 0 evidence behind it. Philosophy is debated, Christianity is not. 

      • http://www.last.fm/user/m6wg4bxw m6wg4bxw

        As I said, most people consider themselves to be rational about their positions. Whatever your opinion of Christians, their beliefs, and their standard of evidence, many of them will tell you that they have investigated their religion and found evidence to support it.

        • Bill Haines

          But when asked to detail that investigation and evidence, Christians invariably reply with non sequiturs; Christianity is not philosophy.

          • http://www.last.fm/user/m6wg4bxw m6wg4bxw

            As I said, “Whatever your opinion of Christians, their beliefs, and their standard of evidence, many of them will tell you that they have investigated their religion and found evidence to support it.”

        • SeekerLancer

          Your religion can also be your philosophy but that doesn’t mean it isn’t still a religion.

          • http://www.last.fm/user/m6wg4bxw m6wg4bxw

            I agree, and haven’t said otherwise.

    • Dan

      O’Reilly is entirely wrong, because his statement rests on the patently absurd premise that Christianity isn’t a religion. Look up ‘religion’ on dictionary.com and you’ll see that his statement is entirely wrong.

      • http://www.last.fm/user/m6wg4bxw m6wg4bxw

        Yes, Bill is wrong that Christianity isn’t a religion, but not about it being a philosophy. If you want to argue that he is entirely wrong about everything, you should do so in response to someone else.

        • SeekerLancer

          It’s beside the point though. It doesn’t matter that it’s a philosophy other than for O’Reilly to pretend that Christianity could only be one and not the other. O’Reilly is being completely intellectually dishonest with himself.

          • http://www.last.fm/user/m6wg4bxw m6wg4bxw

            I agree that  O’Reilly’s philosophy-not-religion dodge is dishonest. I never said otherwise. I was speaking specifically about the usage of “philosophy” to describe Christianity.

    • Bill Haines

      You must not know much about Christianity, if you think it involves investigation, rational or otherwise.

      • http://www.last.fm/user/m6wg4bxw m6wg4bxw

        You must not know much about Christians if you think they think of themselves as wholly irrational and uninvestigative Christians.

  • Isilzha

    So, based on the god of the bible, the philosophy seems to be have temper tantrums about stuff and then go around killing things.

    • CultOfReason

      Well, Bill O. certainly has the temper tantrum part sewn up pretty good.  Let’s hope he avoids the killing part.

  • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/ Kevin_Of_Bangor

    If you need a laugh or want to shake your head…

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/bill-oreilly-and-atheist-leader-have-gonzo-confrontation-over-christmas-you-are-a-fascist/

    Ever since Obama got into the Oval Office, the atheists, fornicators, adulterers, homosexuals, abortionists and other assorted evil beings have come crawling out of the shadows, and onto our TV programs, movies, etc. They all know the man in the White House has their back, because it fits in with his agenda of destroying our moral fiber and thus, our nation,

  • Drakk

    Does this mean the United States is legally allowed to prohibit the free exercise of Christianity?

    • Baal

      On government lands, of course.  To do otherwise is to establish a State religion.  That’s the general argument.   I pretty much never see atheists saying the nativity and other xtian crap can’t be on private property or that christian churches must close down under the penalty of forceable eviction (like they do when you can’t pay your mortgage).

      Please note the christians have a personal pray is a-ok even in governmental buildings!  It’s when the prayer is a gov official or a private person is like using the gov property to force their prayer on everyone else that’s the problem.

      • Isilzha

        I think you missed Drakk’s point entirely.  If xianity isn’t a religion then the government could institute laws that regulate it.  

  • Jeffrey Shallit

    Well, if Christianity isn’t a religion, then it doesn’t get special protection under the 1st Amendment.  

  • Jason Horton

    The Yule Tree is pagan, stolen (along with a lot of other stuff) by Christians but today I’d happily argue that almost everything about Xmas is secular. Almost everyone I know celebrates it in an entirely secular way. There is an argument that religious people are trying to squeeze their faith into our secular solstice but I doubt if it would stand up to much scrutiny.

  • http://www.facebook.com/sue.kocher Sue Kocher

    Oh, this didn’t come from nowhere. Dave will be the first to tell you that O’Reilly is an intelligent man, even if he comes off as nuts. And you can be sure that O’Reilly had a method behind that madness. Here’s what I am betting: he’s been getting his story from Xtians who want to exploit the “viewpoint” loophole that opened up into a chasm when the Supreme Court ruled that Child Evangelism Fellowship has the right to use public schools for its bible classes. They argued that the Good News Clubs were just like other groups such as Boy Scouts, teaching moral values to children, just from a Christian viewpoint. This “viewpoint” argument appealed to Justice Scalia and his conservative cronies, so now we have fundies  threatening public schools with lawsuits if they dare to refuse the Good News Club use of their facilities–right after classes end. This is what Katherine Stewart’s book is all about and I suspect that O’Reilly has been doing his part to help spread this “viewpoint” argument–by calling it now a “philosophy.”

  • Muggin15

    What struck me was at the beginning of the interview he says something along the lines of “If you want to be atheist, I respect that” but then towards the end he says “because your view is insane” when talking about revoking Christmas as a federal holiday and then proceeds to call him a fascist. 

    But I did chuckle when Bill got so mad he started pointing his fingers and said “Jesus Christ”, which in the manner he said it would that not be talking the lord’s name in vain? Very naughty Bill, trying to defend your religious holiday by breaking one of the commandments. 

  • MrFinland

    I’m an atheist and I celebrate Christmas. It’s not a big deal, fellow atheists, get over it and have some eggnog!

    • Helanna

      Christmas isn’t the big deal. I’d wager that a lot of atheists and other non-Christians celebrate it, I certainly do. 

      It’s Christianity that’s the problem. Depictions of Santa Claus and elves and reindeer and snowmen, wreaths and lights and decorated trees, those are all fine. But nativity scenes and the like move from celebrating a fun winter holiday to celebrating the birth and divinity of Jesus, and that’s what most non-Christians object to. 

    • Isilzha

      Lots of atheists celebrate an end-of-the-year, winter solstice holiday that involves various customs like gift exchanges, a decorated tree, and a feast.  Most people, even atheists, call it “christmas” since there isn’t really another adequate word to label it.  However, most atheists don’t celebrate the holiday as the birth of a god king like xians do.  I do NOT display a nativity (not even the one my mother and I bought in the “holy land” 30 years ago).  I also don’t bake a “happy birthday jesus” cake like one religious nutter in my family does.  I may call it christmas, but I certainly don’t hold any christ’s mass for the occasion (and, strangely, neither do any of my devoutly Protestant relatives).

    • Edmond

      Many of us are perfectly “over it” and we DO celebrate Christmas.  But, we celebrate in our HOMES.  We decorate our office desks.  We go to the mall and enjoy the music and decorations.

      Christians have all those places to celebrate just as we do, and they have church, too.  But they don’t need to be slathering their religious announcements all over SECULAR GOVERNMENT property.  That is supposed to remain neutral ground for religious concerns.  These Christians (not ALL, but some) don’t seem to be content with decorating their own private spaces and worshipping freely as they see fit.  They want to deck the government halls, so that they can claim that this is a Christian Nation, supported by a Christian government, so that we ALL have Christianity rubbed in our faces as the dominant (and therefore “official”) religion.  We’re not about to “get over” THAT.

  • http://www.dissectingthoughts.com/ DisThoughts

    I don’t think the word ‘philosophy’ means what O’Reilly thinks it means.

  • SeekerLancer

    Too bad whenever  someone starts making a point on O’Reilly’s show that he disagrees with he just starts screaming and ranting so they never really get a chance to get the point across clearly.

    My favorite part was when he called O’Reilly on the “philosophy” bullshit, saying “alright, atheism is a philosophy, the government can support that.” He could have done the same thing with Islam or any religion to show how immensely stupid O’Reilly’s “point” was.

    • allein

      One of the things I like about Silverman is that he usually keeps talking anyway.

  • TiltedHorizon

    Wow. IMHO Dave dropped the ball here, every time Dave raised a valid point Bill would bait him, steering the conversation away from anything remotely sensical.

    I would have loved to have seen Dave take Bill to task on the “Christianity is a philosophy” comment. Make Bill define the word ‘Religion’ then explain how Christianity  does not apply, have him explain which subsets of Christianity is a ‘religion’ (like Methodism, Judaism, Roman Catholicism per Bill) and which are not; let Bill furnish and decorate the hole he builds for himself.

  • CultOfReason

    All religions are philosophies, as far as I’m concerned.  They just happen to be philosophies based on very bad logic and reasoning skills.

  • Alan W.

    Bill O’Reilly is America’s annoying, opinionated grandparent who turns every family gathering into a shouting match.

  • Nynetguy

    When he said christianity was not a religion I wanted to rip my arm off just so I had something to beat the computer with. What a pompous crapweasel!

  • SuperAsianSalsero

    I’m glad to see David stepping up his game. He’s less timid than when I first saw his first video. Great job David. On a second note, it really makes me wonder if Bill is believing all the things he says.

  • C Peterson

    Let’s be fair… he’s half right. Christianity is a philosophy. A philosophy whose tenets its followers believe were devised by a deity, and which are enforced by a deity. There’s a word for theistic philosophies like that: “religion”.

    • Coolhand

      Wrong…His statement was one not the other.  The statement therefore is incorrect.  NO HALF RIGHT ANSWERS HERE.   I revoke you interwebs privileges…or was your answer half right????

      • C Peterson

        Half of my answers are half right at least half of the time, which makes me half happy.

        • TheG

          That makes you right 1/8th of the time. Shouldn’t you be 12.5% happy?

      • Ccc

        Woosh

    • Edmond

      I think it could be said that Christianity (like any religion) CONTAINS philosophies, but that just isn’t enough to exempt it from being called a religion, because it contains so much MORE than just philosophy.  Many things contain philosophies yet still avoid the trappings of religion like prayer, belief in supernatural events and beings, or worship of said beings.  Heck, any business mission statement could be labeled a “philosophy”, but that doesn’t meant that JP Morgan Chase or Coca-Cola can start decorating government property with “tenets” of their business model.

    • Russian Alex

      Well, there are Christian atheists, so there is definitely a philosophy behind it. Some Christians are indeed following the philosophy, but they are rarely the problem: it’s usually the “The Bible says it, I believes it, that settles it!” type.

      • Aliengames7

        Christian atheist is a blatant oxymoron and everyone knows it.

      • Nick

        Wow, never heard of Christian atheists before, that wikipedia article on them was really interesting. If only the mainstream would adopt this view of Christianity.

  • Mark W

    I wish Ron had of actually let Bill have the “Christianity is a Philosophy” point, then ask him when all the churches in the USA would be paying their back taxes as the Government doesn’t give tax exemptions to philosophies.  Then he could congratulate Bill on solving the national debt crisis in one fell swoop.

  • CoboWowbo

    O’Reilly has Fascist Tourettes Syndrome. Everywhere he looks.. a fascist here, a fascist there, everywhere a fascist.

    • Mark W

       Eee-Eye, Eee-Eye Ohhh

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kaj-Lydestad/695243419 Kaj Lydestad

       It’s like Glenn Beck and Nazis.

    • Marco Conti

      The hilarious thing about both Beck and O’Reilly is that if I could ship them both to the Republic of Wiemar and Mussolini’s Italy they would fit right in and probably enthusiastically join up.

  • Pav

    Didn’t the supreme court rule that secular ideologies are religions and that’s why they can qualify for tax exempt status like churches? So how can secular ideologies be religious but not christianity?  The supreme court also ruled crosses are not religious symbols.  I would think that would offend christians.

    • avalpert

      No, the Supreme Court has made no such ruling.

  • ObviouslyFake

    Come on, guys. This isn’t really new or shocking.
    You all already knew that BillO’s contract with FOX requires him to avoid saying anything true.

  • JoBobDing

    Never really thought about it like that dude, it makes pretty good sense I think.

    http://www.tu-anon.tk

  • Sean

    I have to agree that a Christmas tree is a secular symbol – despite the name – since Christmas really has morphed into a religious/secular holiday.  I’m an atheist and my family is a collection of non-religious people and we still celebrate Christmas, just without all the midnight mass and other religious “trimmings”.

  • Gdev

    If he had said that about Islam he would be on their hit list now. That’s the diffference between Christianity and Islam. People can make these comments about Christianity and noone gets a rats A%$^&$

  • Someone Here

    His last name is Silverman, he’s a self-hating jew who wants to draw attention to himself. I don’t care for Bill O’Reilly, but fuck that jewish douche.

  • Tooooom

    FOX news = nice theater …..

  • http://www.facebook.com/londin.gibson Londin Gibson

    Philosophy is a murderer

  • Mike

    lol Bill never ceases to amaze me. What better place for him to practice his insanity than Faux News. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1219484992 Don Huffine

    Christianity a philosophy.  That’s STUPIDEST thing i’ve ever heard in my entire life.

  • guest

    Atheists….. Think your religion is a joke every day of the year…except the ones where they get a paid day of work

  • Octoberfurst

     I have heard the “Christianity is a relationship, not a religion” meme since I was a child but I disagree with it. It comes across as very arrogant. What they are saying, in a nutshell, is that Christians, and only Christians, have a personal relationship with their God. This would probably come as news to all the devout Muslims, Jews and Hindu’s out there. (And I think they would find it a bit insulting.)  Even so, Christianity is still a religion no matter what anyone says. It has rites, duties, etc, just like any other religion.

  • Guest

    Wow…you loons have turned Atheism into your own religion.

  • http://www.facebook.com/LordTreu Michael Treu

    phantom know what you are talking about lol

  • PopRockRoll

    Christmas can be celebrated as a federal holiday  and that’s it. I’ll be celebrating with my children on Christmas as a commercial holiday. No church, no hymns, no bullshit.

  • Barbarianskateboards

    what bill oreiley is getting at is that christianity is a philosophy but the many branches that it has of it are secular religions. Because not all christians celebrate the holidays making it not a christian holiday. the different branches of christianity are again considered religions, not christianity as a whole. the definition of philosophy is “The study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, esp. when considered as an academic discipline”  and the definition of religion is “Details of belief as taught or discussed.” so you can reason however you want

    • EDinWAState

      You really are brain dead. Christianity is a religion of the Book.
      The various expressions, that you call branches, are Denominations of Christianity.
      Keep claiming that Christianity is only a philosophy and Jesus will piss in your milk on Christmas Eve.

  • Raising_Rlyeh

    O’reilly has fascist’s tourette’s just like beck has nazi tourette’s 

    • EDinWAState

      Why insult Tourette’s sufferers like that?

      • Raising_Rlyeh

        It was a joke Lewis Black said about Beck. How everything Glenn Beck hears and sees is related to nazi germany in some way. 

        • EDinWAState

          Yah… I know… I was being facetious.

          • Raising_Rlyeh

            Sorry, I am bad at judging that online. It’s hard to tell when someone is serious and when they’re not through text.

  • Guest

    Bill O’Reilly is a pathetic Right Wing Extremist. If you go far enough to the right it becomes Fascism. Fox News is the most Biased news group I’ve ever watched. Let people speak their opinion.

  • Jennifer

    What truly scares the living daylight out of me is that so many people believe what  Bill O says. It becomes talking points, and then is taken as ‘facts’ by the mind numbed minions. They then take these ‘facts’ with them into the voting booths, and we end up with GWB or nearly with Romney/Ryan and the tea party. Now THAT is insane!

  • Snakerevolver

    Ha silly atheists!…

  • Dirtysantchez

    So this is American news coverage? Suddenly I love the BBC. 

  • Guest

    Silly creationists, Christmas is an adaptation of the Pagan holiday of the birth of Sol (the God of the sun). December 25th was marked by celebrations involving the carrying and hanging of candles, symbolizing the beginning of the fire that would become the sun, this is presumably where the concept of placing candles on trees came from. During the assimilation of Christianity into Roman culture many Pagan holidays and traditions were taken and adapted to Christian stories so as to make the transition easier for the general populace. 
    Your celebrating a Pagan holiday.

  • Ender

    Technically speaking the entire celebration of Christmas outside of the Jesus part is secular. The vast majority of the tradition including the date itself was pulled from various traditions around the world from old Pagan solstice rituals to old Germanic winter celebrations and on and on. If folks were to unanimously decide Christmas is no longer related to Christ in any way than I can respect someone calling it a secular event.

    That said, Christianity itself is not in and of itself a religion — But instead is an umbrella of religions. Christianity is the summation of what all of its corresponding sects believe in, that Jesus Christ is the son of God who died for the sins of man. There’s nothing about it that is secular however and O’Reilly walked himself into a position where he had to defend quite possibly the worst failing semantics argument I’ve seen him spew up in a number of years.

    Way to fail Bill!

  • http://twitter.com/Mauricev33 Maurice Vellas

    Fuck Bill O’Riley

  • Gezzer50

    Actually Christianity isn’t a religion it’s a faith. Just as Judaism or Islam are faiths. What religions are, are the individual sects such as Catholicism or Pentencostal, etc.
    I know that’s splitting hairs and is mostly semantics, but it’s still an important point.

    • pRinzler

      How many dictionaries do you think will agree with you, that Christianity isn’t a religion?  

      What do you think the definition of “religion” is?  

      Do you think the definition of “faith” in the dictionary has any relation to that of “religion?”Do you think it is advantageous to re-define words as one wishes?

      • Gezzer50

        http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion
        Okay this is religion
        http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/faith
        And this is faith.
        No, I in no way added my own definition to either of these words. While it’s true that faith and religion are often used in a interchangeable fashion there is a distinction between the two.
        The definition that is most at the heart of my statement is number 2:

        a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion
        b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2): complete trust

        With this in mind consider that all Christian religions no matter how different have the same beliefs at their base.
        That Jesus was the son of God.
        That he was crucified, died, and was reborn 3 days later.
        And finally that he made the promise contained in John 11:25
         “Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believes in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:”

        These things all Christians believe even though there is no worldly proof that any of it is true. We take it on faith. Because of that faith we become disciples of Christ and attempt to live our lives in the manner he portrayed.

        Now as to the definition of religion all most any of the entries in the link I posted are pertinent I think this one best illustrates my point:

        : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices

        While faith is universal, a religion can vary because it’s based on theology that resonates with the members of said religion. Some religions of the same faith will reject doctrines that another will hold sacred. That’s one of the reasons you can see such a wide range of religious opinion on any subject even though it’s all Christian religions. This is also the reason that so many acts by Christian religions can be so un-Christian in nature. Christ was not a man of intolerance or violence, so it’s really sad when so many are in his name. Please remember, not all Christians are anti gay or anti abortion, just some very vocal ones.

        This principal can be applied to any number of faiths. For example a Muslims faith is.
        That Muhammad was a prophet of God (Allah)
        That the Koran is the word of God unaltered
        That to be right with God they must follow the teachings of the Koran.

        But because all writings are open to interpretation you have again different Muslim religions such as Sunni and Shia. And due to this not all Muslims believe in things like a holy war. Quite a number of Muslims simply want to be left in peace to live and worship as they please.

        I think my final point is that a faith is a personal guiding belief that is at the core of the person’s spiritual life. By it’s nature it is of God and can not be evil.
        A religion is an institution where people of a faith join together to worship, share, and learn how to best be examples of their faith. By it’s nature it’s an institution of man, and due to man’s sin full nature can be prone to all the short comings of man.
        It’s a sad fact that some of the greatest good and greatest evil have both come from religion.
        Sorry about the length.

        • pRinzler

          I think I can cut to the chase: Did you read further down the link to the definition of “religion” that you posted?  It reads,

          “There are many religions, such as Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, and Judaism.”

          Need I say more?

  • http://www.facebook.com/adriano.feria Adriano Feria

    1. Can someone please hand Mr. O’Reilly a dictionary. 
    2. I wonder how conservatives reconcile the concept of “small government” with the free ride that religious institutions have enjoyed for so many years.

  • mr x

    What a complete and total fucking moron. It’s like we’re discussing if the sun revolves around the earth. Bill, you’re a complete failure. 

  • Ic

    Christianity is a mental illness, there should be a drug for it.

  • Alex

    Haha that Bill O’reilly cracks me up…

    But please do’nt attack christmas. It hurts your cause.

    I live in the Netherlands (where the majority of the people is not religious and where 100′s of churces get demolished because there are not enough people going anymore) 

    But Chistmas is still a national holiday… No one cares.

    If you go and be annoyed about it people get a negative image about  atheists.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000518265399 David J. Korczyk

    I can’t wait until someone actually kills Bill O’Reilly.  I would support that cause whole-heartedly.  Along with the other scum on Faux News.

  • BeasKnees

    Well there’s a temper tantrum if I’ve ever seen one.  Way to hold your ground David Silverman.  Notice how Bill O’Reilly just kept getting louder and louder, so Silverman had to do the same to get any argument in? Like elementary school. 

  • Daniel Lausevic

    Understandably heated debate. The only moment I felt o’reilly sounded somewhat reasonable was when he asked why people couldn’t stop messing with his tradition. But that was the beginning. My feeling went away a second later. What a douche. Lol philosophy.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RIUBPLT6KHKE2TN2V6ES5DJ3O4 Jared Mcjared

    More of this please! The more that these religious nutters make ridiculous statements like this, the sooner their credibility will crumble!

  • Paul

    on the count of three:
    1
    2
    3
    all together now, “billy is a pin head!”

  • Ap111

    Nit picking little things like this that only bring joy and merriment to people is not the way to further the Atheist cause.

    I thought Silverman came across as an angry grinch at best, you are letting O’Reilly win when you get in to a yelling match with him and don’t choose your words more carefully.

    • EDinWAState

      Did you watch the same video that the rest of us did???
      Silverman made Billy Boy look like the fool that he is.
      It wasn’t Mr Silverman who said that Christianity is a philosophy and Jesus was just a man… call that a nit pic?

  • Bob222

    “Holiday”…. “Holy-Day”
    Nope, I see no religious connection there….
    Idiot.

  • Msh72

    A religion is an institution, it has a hierarchy and people that have more power in their religion. Catholics have the Pope, Protestants have the ministers, Muslims have the imams, Jews have the rabbi etc. Yes, religion often contains philosophies, it tries to teach people lifestyles that they think is a correct way of living. I am often ashamed of calling myself a Christian after listening to people like O’Reilly, but I won’t let his stupidity change my way of thinking about my religion.

    • avalpert

      No, that is not the definition of religion at all. An institution can have hierarchic power structures and nor be a religion and a religion need no be an institution with a hierarchy. 

  • Katwise

    Billy O Really knows exactly what he’s doing: baiting anyone who would be found undesirable by the extreme right (I’d be willing to bet that Bill’s a closet atheist), and he’s making a great living at it.  Wish David Silverman had kept a cooler head; the rightwingnuts will twist his response to their advantage – of course, they’ll do that anyway.

  • kaydenpat

    Wow. Bill O’ is an idiot.  And pointing his finger in Silverman’s face is not cool.

  • the guest

    as someone that leans right its things like this that make republicans look bad. if their party dosen’t stop associating themselves with christianity then soon they will have no support and it will be the democrats who will be more corrupt.

  • Lion_IRC

    “Christianity is not a religion; it is a philosophy.” You know what the appropriate reaction to that has to be: 

    Yep. Atheism and Christianity must both be philosophical alternatives.

  • Velchon

    I wonder what the philosophical underpinnings of angels attending the virgin birth are?  Quick,sombody tell the Pope he’s just a pilosopher with funny headgear!

  • CrystalFissure

    Silverman owned O’Reilly. But Bill reminds me of the whole pige0n playing chess analogy. You may be beating the pigeon, but at the end of the day the pigeon can just knock down all the pieces and strut around on the board as if it’s victorious.

    • kaydenpat

      What an hilarious image. 

    • Lagerbaer

      And then it’ll take a crap on your board.

  • Compajuan38

    Its kind of ironic that the very people who openly promote and defend the very philosophical talking points of fascism., (nationalism, chauvinism, national unity, national official religion, mandated social moral values

  • Brainless Bill

    Christianity is a religion by definition.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity“Christianity (from the Ancient Greek: Χριστιανός Christianos[1] and the Latin suffix -itas) is a monotheistic and Abrahamic religion[2] based on the life and teachings of Jesus as presented in canonical gospels and other New Testament writings.” 

  • Servantranger

    Chritianity refers to those who accept Christ as there Lord and saviour and follow him. A christmas tree is part of the commercialism. There is nothing in the Bible about Christmas trees. I will continue to call it Christmas tree necause thats what I have always callef it.

    • Thackerie

       Nothing in the Bible about Christmas trees? Like everything in that book, it’s all up to interpretation, isn’t it?  ;-}

      Jeremiah 10:1-5 King James Version (KJV): 
      Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O house of Israel: Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For
      the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the
      forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
      . They
      are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne,
      because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil,
      neither also is it in them to do good.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1062648629 Jason Lx

    O’Reilly claims he wouldn’t have a problem if someone put up a sign “Happy Winter Solstice”. This is demonstrably a LIE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u_Vlmnt1rs Saying “Happy Holidays” is a CRIME according to O’Reilly.

  • NT

    What ever happened to tolerance and respect?  No one is forcing anyone to believe anything or to watch O’Reilly.  If you don’t like FOX News – turn it off.  We have a button on the TV for that. I am grateful that I have the choice to believe, not believe or not do anything.  We have forgotten that this country was founded on the principles of freedom and tolerance of others’ beliefs.  I hope we never lose that. People need to stop behaving like spoiled brats.  Just because you don’t like something, it doesn’t make it wrong. Be respectful of others right to express their beliefs openly. 

    • kaydenpat

       Because Bill O’ shouting and calling someone names and interrupting them is so respectful. Right.

    • EDinWAState

      You have got to be a Christian. Who else would play the tolerance card when it’s his ox that is getting gored? If the conversation was the other way ’round and MR Silverman had said that Christianity is a philosophy and Jesus was just a man… You and all the crazies would be screaming for his blood!

    • Thackerie

       Tolerating your silly religion just means we have to allow you to practice it — no one has to respect it. You can express your beliefs openly; no one is stopping you. But freedom of speech means we can voice our skepticism and disrespect for your openly expressed beliefs. We can go back and forth. That’s how it’s supposed to work in a democracy.

       

  • Pattty

    Do any of you people really know what you’re talking about? I’ll take this one. Nobody here knows what they’re talking about.

    • Thackerie

       If, as you confess, you don’t know what you’re talking about, why do you bother posting?

  • Willy Wonka

    Christianity is another word for jewish world wide
    conspiracy in order to enslave white people and kill them and their children
    with impunity. Anybody who is a christian believer is basically a jewish slave.

    • avalpert

      Yeah, they sure hid the conspiracy well with all those centuries of persecution and murder of their owners…

  • Mcquestion

    I love how O’Reilley points his finger at the guy and says “Don’t you put words in my mouth!” and proceeds to lean across the desk a few minutes later and completely tells this guy what he is and what he feels and what he thinks. The very definition of hypocrisy. 

  • Phantomas

    Let’s say when 51% of humans doesn’t care about
    what Bill O’Reilly says, then we are safe.

  • sbeck65

    Is Mr O’Reilly’s claim that Christianity is truly a philosophy as opposed to a religion his first attempt to reposition the American right after their latest electoral defeat? I really cannot understand how this man and the network he belongs to have remained so popular for so long. 

    • avalpert

      They aren’t popular, they get fewer viewers than the typical Vampire Diaries on CW.

  • Sean

    I don’t get the call for revoking tax exemption based on this claim. Are they exempt ONLY because they are a religious organization, or are they exempt for the same reason FFRF and other like organizations are, for being nonprofits?

    • Sean

       I should note: Because if they are exempt under 501(c) like FFRF and others are, then everyone saying “Fine, if you’re a philosophy then say hello to taxes!” is just flat out ridiculous.

      • Erp

        A difference is that religious organizations don’t have to file 990.  Other charities have to file a 990 to document what money they’ve raised and to show where it is going (e.g., to staff compensation, advertisement, food closet, etc.).   I think the only exception other than religions are extremely small charities.   In contrast to personal tax forms, 990s are public (except for the names though not salaries of the highest paid employees).   Some religios organtizations do make public their financial structure; some don’t but it is is voluntary.   The FFRF has to file a 990 and one can ask to see it or look it up at for instance GuideStar.org.

    • avalpert

      They are exempt because of the religious exemption in 501(c)(3) – unless you are talking about pure charities that happen to be religious which may fall under the charitable exemption. Churches would certainly not qualify for that.

  • infidel1000

    My edition of Webster’s New American Dictionary defines christianity:” (2) the religion of christians”. Game,set, match. BillO is not only a liar, but an idiot for expecting to fool anybody not in  his fan club. 

    • Random_acct

      My edition of Webster’s New American Dictionary defines marriage as strictly between and man and a woman. Game. Set. Match.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jonathan-Kuperberg/698603245 Jonathan Kuperberg

    Repeal the Establishment Clause. Christmas is more important than the Constitution. I’d love to see a president just crush the constitution underfoot and defy the federal courts with the help of the military apparatus. There is nothing nine people in robes can do against the Prez, Congress, Army and Secret Service.  

    I hope the Supreme Court order the government to scrap Christmas under a hard-right GOP President and he just OPENLY defies them, laughing at them on television and announcing how he has agreed with Congress that they will fly in the face of ALL Scotus decisions they disagree with. Then such President- I’d love his name to be Santorum- orders school prayer and anti-abortion laws contrary to Roe v Wade for good measure. Finally, he could call his rejection of the Scotus and athey bullshit a “CHRISTMAS present” to a CHRISTIAN Nation. That would teach the anti-theists a lesson they won’t forget. 

  • stevendoyle

    Hm; Bill seems to be using a definition of “religion” that nobody else uses.  Maybe he’s actually Humpty Dumpty!  (That would explain a few things.)

  • stevendoyle

    I can see Dave Silverman’s point, and now that I’ve thought about it, have to agree: we shouldn’t have Federal holidays based on religious holidays.  Christmas is important to Christians, and is part of the national culture and family traditions (even for a lot of us atheists) — but shouldn’t be a Federal holiday anymore than should, say, Eid al-Fitr.  (And imagine Bill O’Reilly’s reaction if somebody tried to make that a national holiday ….)

  • Brandon

    He pulls his ideas straight out of his ass. I was completely dumbstruck after watching that interview but after seeing his show on December 3rd my suspicions were confirmed. He had Jonathan Morris on and oreilly said that Christianity was a religion. He’s just making up whatever he can in some feeble attempt to win an argument no matter what.

  • Imaginos

    The problem with identifying Christianity (or any religion) as a philosophy is that no country has ever waged war to impose nihilism or existentialism on another nation or people.  Aside from maybe Buddhism, all other religions have fought to impose their beliefs on others.

    • Lagerbaer

      IIRC medieval Cambodia did wage war with medieval Vietnam over Buddhism. But my memory is a bit muddied on this.

  • Orclove

    Why does Bill O’Rilley consider himself an expert on theology and history anyways?
    No really, where did he go to school? what books has he read/wrote?
    I don’t mind arrogence when qualifed by skill, but he has no reason to be arrogent as anyone with a two minates and google can poke holes in his arguments.

  • Kjjay2008A

    Religion is man’s way of getting closer to God, Christianity is obeying what God wants by his word.

  • gail

    Godd doesn’t like it when man dreams up things like for instance intissing words the answers are all written for some like God’s chosen and his elect we are studying to show ourselves approved of our maker Christ is our saviour. When we follow him and keep to his laws then you will be truly blessed. Taking GOd out of school prayer. Allowing gays to marry and look around go against God and you will creep what you. And something else to think about it is the very nature of GOd that controls the weather.
    I is his nature. And globel warming go to Genesis ch.8:22 And it reads. While the earth remaineth,seed time and harvest, a and colld and heat,and summer and winter,and day and night shall not. Cease.kjv. from the original kingdom line till he returns as King of Kings and Lord of Lords. He is still on the throne.

  • Josh H

    People continue to have the foolish hearts of children, regardless of their age. Do you not see that there is no true Christian in media? The media is a worldly device. It cannot be used without clashing on a political scale. One cannot behave like a servant of God while promoting or condemning media celebrities. We are to reject such things. Showing contempt is a trait of an atheist. Show humility like Jesus Christ did.

  • Josh H

    Bill O’Reilly is being used by the same evil that promotes atheism. He is being led to make a fool out of God, causing fools like yourselves to show contempt. It is that contempt that leads you away from God. You just cannot see it.

    • Lagerbaer

      Can’t tell if troll or being serious :-(

  • Verandaguy

    Mr. O’Reilly, what you have just said is the one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response, were you ever close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Your entire viewer base is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may future historians have mercy on your soul.

  • Random_acct

    “Silverman: I am a patriot who is taking the crazy notion that everybody in this country is equal and that the government has to treat everybody fairly.”

    Excuse me, but who is not getting treated “fairly” in this context?

  • bobthechef

    As usual, the comments on this blog are the howling and hissing of gremlins in one huge group therapy session. Why do you people even pay attention to O’Reilly and on such meaningless points? It’s probably because those of low self-worth spend most of their time looking for easy targets instead of engaging in meaningful discourse. And meaningful discourse would mean NOT wasting time talking about O’Reilly.

    And for the record, Christianity is not a philosophy, although there is such a thing as Christian philosophy, but it’s not Christian per se but rather that which comes from a Christian tradition. Aquinas’ theology and philosophy form a coherent whole, but the philosophy taken on its own isn’t “religious”.

  • http://twitter.com/Jenelynkimluv Jenelyn Pabutawan

    Christianity was founded in the early 1st century AD, with the teaching, miracles, crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth. Today it is the largest religion in the world, with around 2 billion followers. Especially dominant in the western world, today’s Christianity has a wide variety of forms, beliefs and practices but all center around faith in Jesus Christ. Then the Philosophy is the study of general and fundamental problems, such as those connected with reality, existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language. The importance here is our believe of our Lord God.

    http://www.scripturesfromthebible.org/christian-theology-and-philosophy

  • http://www.facebook.com/kerrybaldwin Kerry Baldwin

    I heart David Silverman. Bill is losing his mind. Wow.

  • rick povero

    If xianity placed episteme above pistis…then it would have ceased centuries ago. Faith is not a form of knowledge as ancient Greek philosophy attests — faith (ie trust) remains hearsay, inadmissible in the court of Reason.

  • FineByMe

    If you study the Bible, there’s no way you can come away thinking Jesus is a philosopher. He didn’t speculate as to the purpose of life, what is morality, etc. He came declaring the truth…..it wasn’t open to debate. You don’t have to believe what He taught, but I think any objective analysis of Jesus’ life and Christianity would result in the conclusion that Christianity is a religion. O’Reilly really blew this one. But having read some of his books, I get the impression that he is “too Catholic”, meaning I think he sees Catholicism as a set of guiding principles (philosophy) and if you do enough good works, you go to heaven. This completely misses the message of the Gospel. I fear his Catholicism has blinded him to the real truth of the Bible.


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