After Offering ‘Church Bulletin’ Discount, Pennsylvania Restaurant Will Have To Extend Offer to Everyone

Remember over the summer when atheist John Wolff went to the website for a local Lancaster County, Pennsylvania restaurant called Prudhomme’s Lost Cajun Kitchen and found this ad?

A discount for a church bulletin? Was that discriminatory against atheists? Wolff figured it was and filed a complaint with the Pennsylvania Human Relations Commission. The Freedom From Religion Foundation also sent the restaurant a few warning letters (PDF).

After all this time, there’s finally a resolution to the matter.

The Pennsylvania Human Relations Commission approved a Conciliation Agreement with the restaurant back in September (PDF) and Wolff was informed about the decision this week (yay, bureaucracy):

Respondent will continue to give a discount for any bulletin from any group oriented around the subject of religious faith[,] including publications from the Freedom From Religion Foundation[,] as long as they maintain the Sunday discount program.

Works for me. That statement basically replaces the word “church” in the discount offer with “bring-us-anything-you-want-please-just-eat-here.”

So, how are the restaurant owners taking this decision?

They’re calling it a victory! Somehow…

Prudhomme’s claimed victory, with attorney Randall Wenger noting the restaurant will continue offering the Sunday discount promotion.

Reading the rest of this article in the York Daily Record, it doesn’t sound like the owners or their lawyer are really pleased with the verdict, no matter how they spin it. but, hey, if they want to call this a win…

They wanted to give a discount to religious customers, to make them feel special. They wanted to give people an incentive to be religious and go to church. They tried to pretend that wasn’t the case, even suggesting that atheists could just walk into a church and grab a bulletin without sitting through the service in order to take advantage of the discount. Because that’s normal behavior.

But they can’t do any of that anymore. Now, they have to treat all their customers equally.

Too bad for them, right?

Incidentally, I just visited their website and saw that the “church bulletin” discount is still up and running as before…

How long will it take before they accept the ruling against them and correct their offer?

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  • Kirby_G

    What really kills me is the restaurant’s complete lack of awareness of the hilarity of the ad:  We want people to go to church!  God will save you!  Family values!!  CHEAP BOOZE!!

  • Kevin

    So now it is actionable when the owner of a restaurant offers a discount? If it was publicly owned, I’d totally understand. But this makes atheists look like a bunch of petty whiners. It’s HIS restaurant.

    • fett101

      US law prohibits discrimination based on race, color, religion, or national origin. As the law goes, “Dining discount with church bulletin” could just as well be “Dining discount for being white”.

    • Ibis3

       Public accommodation. You can’ t discriminate against customers based on religion or race.* This discount offer is like saying “Hey white people! If you come in on White Wednesdays, we’ll give you 10% off.” Or, “If you’re a Protestant, you get 1 month free rent.”

      *Though if you like, you can still do so based on sex and sexual orientation in a lot of places.

      • Cecelia Baines

        Ahhh yes, so all those “Ladies Nights” found in clubs and bars around the country need to be sued and made to go away then…..

        • http://criticallyskeptic-dckitty.blogspot.com Katherine Lorraine

          I agree, but for other reasons.

        • fett101

          Such lawsuits have already happened.

          “State courts in California,Maryland, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin have ruled that ladies’ night discounts are unlawful gender discrimination under state or local statutes. However, courts in Illinois, Minnesota, and Washington have rejected a variety of challenges to such discounts.”

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ladies'_night

          • walkamungus

            There’s been a series of challenges in Denver as well…

            As a lady, I’m peeved that any bar owner would think I’d want to drink their cheap crappy well drinks regardless of price.

        • http://www.flickr.com/photos/chidy/ chicago dyke

          CB: it’s a Patriarchy, after all. which will “protect” any class or minority… so long as it has a dick. 

          cheap  bitches get drunk? never going away. 

          • Baal

             As the cases are split, do you think the patriarchy is the best or even most likely explanation for the legal status of ladies nights?

          • The Other Weirdo

             I usually tune out any explanation using goddidit or “it’s all eeevviill menz falt”.

            • Sindigo

              So you’re saying that you disagree with discrimination based on religion is wrong but claimed discrimination based on gender can be summed up with a patronising dismissal rather than being evaluated on its merits. Makes perfect sense.

        • amycas

           Yes actually

      • The Captain

        But they didn’t discriminate based on religion or race. The discount went to anyone who brought in a flyer regardless of what religion they where. The restaurant didn’t ask or care about your actual religion so all an atheist had to do was print one off the internet.

        The real problem here is a bunch of my fellow atheist are too bitchy and feel they are above ever touching anything with a religious message on it to print out a flyer for a discount so they threaten to sue instead.

        • Isilzha

          Except people who aren’t religious don’t have “church” bulletins to offer for a discount.  And don’t say anyone can just go to a church to get one since there are many problems with that.  First, no one should have to “go to a church” for anything and second, that would actually be technically trespassing and theft.  As to the second point, churches are open to people who intend use them for their proscribed purposes.  Running in one and stealing a bulletin is NOT one of those purposes.

          • The Captain

            Just skip on past the part where I said you could just print one out on your own why don’t ya. I never said you had to go to a church did I? Just make one up for whatever fake “church” you want (“the church of darwin’s drinks” would be mine) and take that. 
            “no one should have to “go to a church” for anything” I had to go to one to vote. Sure, churches shouldn’t be polling places, but when I was there I didn’t trow a crying hissy fit about it. You know where people should also never have to go? A fucking baseball stadium. They smell like mud and are boring as shit, but if the restaurant where to offer a discount for people who came in with a ticket from a little league game are you going to cry about that too?

            Also “theft”, perhaps technically, not really that clear if they are giving them out. But I’d bet all my money that absolutely no one would give a shit at all if you showed up to a church and took a flyer for a discount, not everyone is a dick you know. I bet you’re the kind of person who shows up to a scavenger hunt with none of the items and still demands to win since you think your too good to go and actually get the items.

            • Isilzha

              Until the ruling they didn’t really have to accept anything printed out from home, did they? 

              BTW, you’re a jerk!

              • The Captain

                “Until the ruling they didn’t really have to accept anything printed out from home, did they? ” Did they have to.. no. Now WOULD THEY? Don’t know… no one tried it or ASKED. You all just assumed and cried about it.

            • Isilzha

               I’ve had to vote in a church too.  You know what I do about it–write a complaint to my government and write editorials to my local paper.  Of course, nasty jerks like you deem that to be “hissy” fits.  However, you know what, we no longer have polling places in churches.  They are all in public schools and government buildings.

              See, its usually the people who have “hissy fits” who are actually doing something to help to protect the rights of even jerkwads like you.

              • The Captain

                I never asked you to do shit for my “rights’, I can fight for myself so don’t break your arm patting yourself on the back 

                The problem is in cases like this one you’re not really fighting for anyone’s rights, since no ones rights have been violated in the first place. For the fifth time now… who was denied service for their religion? Who’s fake “church” flyer was turned away? Had any of those things happened, then you would be right, but as it is now it just looks like a small business tried to get some new customers by advertising at churches and a bunch of atheist dicks who have never been to the place or talked to the owner screamed “discrimination” all over the internet because of it. 

                Really this is ridiculous. Why can you not print out a fake flyer for a fake church for a discount on a meal? Are you too good for that? It sounds kinda fun actually, have each person in your party make their own flyer and then vote on the best and the looser have to buy a round of drinks. That way the small local business gets to advertise to new customers, everyone including atheist who play this game gets a discount and a new drinking game. That sounds like a nice solution… but you have to be a dick about it!

                And “jerkwad”? Please… I’m a drunken ass-hole at best.

                • Isilzha

                   Fine, you’re an asshole and a horrible person.

                • The Captain

                  Since I admitted to being an asshole, I’ll assume that “horrible person” must come from not agreeing with you on a subject over the internet, and if that’s your criteria for what constitutes a “horrible person” I’d say you’re quite the asshole yourself.

              • Cecelia Baines

                You are an idiot.

            • amycas

               Sports fans are not protected classes according to any federal or state law, so no it wouldn’t be unlawful discrimination to give discounts to people with baseball tickets.

    • RobertoTheChi

      You just don’t get it do you?

  • Don Pope

    I don’t understand. This is a private business. Why can’t they do as they please?

    • Artor

      Because they’re open to the public. If they wanted to run it as a private club, they’d have more leeway, but what if their ad asked you to show white skin for a discount? That didn’t work well historically.

    • http://yetanotheratheist.com/ TerranRich

      Because we have anti-discriminatory laws. Also, “do as they please”? You do realize there must be limits to what any of us can “do as we please”. right?

    • Rudabaga

       Google Equal Protection Clause and Civil Rights Act of 1964.

  • Cecelia Baines

    So, if a restaurant offers a discount to high school kids who bring in a report card with A’s and B’s can they be sued so the C D and F kids get the discount as well?

    I am a hard core, angry atheist, but the atheist community and FFRF are out of control and so petty it makes me want to walk away in embarrassment.

    The Cajun Kitchen wasn’t advertising “No Jews Allowed” or “No Atheists Allowed”, it was running a promotion (and maybe I am less cynical) that seemed to be an effort to bring in more business on a Sunday afternoon by enticing religious idiots with a discount for the pamphlet.

    Atheists and FFRF – grow up and pick the battles that are worth the effort.

    • Scott

      Agreed. This was was necessary. If a private business wants to cater to a certain segment then that is their perrogitive.

      • Scott

        *not necessary

      • http://criticallyskeptic-dckitty.blogspot.com Katherine Lorraine

        If a private business says “white people get 50% off their ticket” they’re really saying “non-whites pay twice as much.”

        • Baal

           Exactly, the question isn’t if the business is private or not.  If you sell to the public, you’re on the hook to not discriminate on the basis of a protected class.

          • Cecelia Baines

            Really? So those Ladies Nights in clubs and bars are over the country are verboten then?

            • Stev84

              As noted above, there have been court cases about that and in some states they have been ruled to constitute gender discrimination

            • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/ Kevin_Of_Bangor

              Google ladies night lawsuit

              • Cecelia Baines

                When was the last time you went to Vegas? Or the Hollywood Strip?

                You people are such self-indignant uptight as swipes.

                As an atheist, you people embarrass me and the atheist community.

                I swear, you are among the most uptight subgroup around…..it’s no wonder I won’t go to clubhouse meetings…

      • Rudabaga

         Actually it isn’t.  The equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment makes discrimination based on religion unconstitutional.  The Civil Rights Act of 1964 codified it.  The Supreme Court upheld it and further held that certain classes are subject to strict scrutiny.  Religion is included there. 

      • SeniorSkeptik

           Some time back I read an article in which a black man related a  story about how things used to be back in the ’50′s. He and his family, including his 10 year old daughter were driving through Alabama (or maybe Mississippi) .  His daughter said she had to go to the bathroom.  As soon as he came upon a service station, he stopped, went to the cashier and asked for the women’s restroom for his daughter. The cashier replied they had none. He was puzzled but went back to the car to report to his daughter the facility had no restrooms. As he was explaining this to his daughter, they saw a white lady and daughter come out of the ladies bathroom.

        His not so rhetorical question was, “how do you explain to your 10 year old daughter that she isn’t  good enough to use a public restroom?”

        And this wasn’t uncommon prior to the equal rights acts. I remember reading that when the Dallas Cowboys used to travel the black players had to stay in “black” hotels,they couldn’t stay with their white teammates.

        Or read Colin Powell’s memoir about his being in his U.S. Army uniform and not being able to go inside a restaurant to order a hamburger.

        Do you want to go back to those “good old days”?

    • ReadsInTrees

      I’m with you here a bit. It’s not impossible for an atheist to get hold of a church bulletin. It didn’t say, “Discount to Christians!” or anything. It just said to bring in a church bulletin. I’d only have a problem if, say, an atheist brought in a flier from the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and the restaurant refused the discount. 

      • The Captain

        This is spot on.

        Print a FSM flyer out and spot being a bunch of self righteous dicks!

        • Isilzha

           Except until the legal ruling they could claim it didn’t count.

          • The Captain

            But DID they claim it”?….. Anyone actually you know, just ask the guy or try it?

            No, it’s just people being preemptive dicks.

            • Isilzha

              No, it’s people sick of religious privilege who don’t want to be discriminated against because they aren’t religious.

              • The Captain

                For the fourth tim2e… What was the “discrimination”?  Who was not served???

                From what I can tell the business never said it would not serve non-xtians, and no one tried to use a home printed flyer so it’s just theoretical discrimination everyones worried about.

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/A37GL7VKR3W6ACSIZPH7EID3LI rlrose63

                  So you’re saying that if there was a sign that said “Only Whites Allowed,” it wouldn’t be actionable unless a black person tried to get it and was refused?  Do you see how that makes no sense?

                  I seriously doubt the owners made that discount deliberately to exclude anyone not religious.  They didn’t put it up thinking “Wow, THIS will really screw with those atheists.”  Who knows, they may have been welcoming to someone with a non-religious pamphlet, saying “Oh… yeah!  Of course, come on in and we’ll give you that discount, too!”  By going directly to the FFRF, they bypassed common courtesy that, I believe, should dictate a little more due diligence prior to crying “DISCRIMINATION!”

                  I agree with you that going ahead and having the FFRF involved without even trying to use an FSM flyer or FFRF flyer or what have you, was uncalled.

                • The Captain

                  Sure I would be pissed, if there was a sign up saying that but that’s not what happened here. A sign saying “no-atheist allowed” was never put up (and I’d be pissed if there was). All that was said was anyone who brings in a flyer about fairy tales  gets a discount.

                  I think a proper analogy would be if a restaurant owner put an add out saying if you brought in a program from the local hokey game you’d get a discount, and then a bunch of people started screaming that the promotion is racist because black people don’t go to hockey games.

                  Now I’m off for the night, time to go yell at the TV for the Falcons game.

    • fett101

      US law prohibits discrimination based on race, color, religion, or national origin. Grade based promotions don’t cross any of those lines.

    • Ibis3

       First, being bad at school doesn’t put one into a legally protected class (unlike race or religion). No one could sue the owner of a restaurant for discriminating on the basis of grades.

      Second, in legal terms, giving extra benefits to one group in a protected class is the same as discriminating against others. If you have a restaurant, you can’t say whites get to be served at tables but any black people who want to eat here have to sit on the floor. If religious people get a discount and everyone else has to pay full price, in effect, you’re charging people extra for not being religious.

      • Peekaboo

        You’re right, the bad students aren’t a protected class. Instead some goofy group would come in and claim it’s insinuated hate speech instead. No one said you even have to GO and sit through the service. Just slide in, take a bulletin and walk out and you have your discount!

    • Isilzha

      People like you irritate me.  Just because you think this is petty does not mean it actually IS.  I’m tired of religious privilege in this country and think it needs to be fought on many different levels.  This is one of them. 

      • Cecelia Baines

        It is petty. You know it and they know it.

        • Isilzha

          No, it’s not petty.  Is it an example of the most egregious violation of human rights in history?  No, but that doesn’t mean it must be ignored.

      • The Captain

        “Just because you think this is petty does not mean it actually IS” and just because you think it’s not petty does not make it so either.

        This is on par to xtians boycotting a store because they say “happy holidays” on the pettiness scale. But even my fellow atheist like to nail themselves to their own crosses sometimes it seems.

    • Stev84

       It’s disturbing how many people don’t know how anti-discrimination laws work

      • Cecelia Baines

        Before you go and mount up on that condescention steed, try this out:

        Actually, try this out….At the Atheist/Skepticon last year (2011) there was the gelato brouhaha….which led to several businesses around the gelato shop in question to offer discounts to anyone with a Skepticon conference badge (and please don’t play semantic games) – and yes, the Skepticon convention is all about a world view/atheism….so I ask you, how did you feel about such discounts?After the Jessica affair in Rhode Island, several businesses offered discounts to atheists and secularists…..how did you feel about that?If the answer is you were okay with those discounts then you must allow the restaurant the discount for the church flyer.

        • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/ Kevin_Of_Bangor

          Swing and a miss.

          • Cecelia Baines

            Not even close. It is a home run, but you deluded double-standard assmunches want cake and wanna eat it too.

            Nope. You are completely in the wrong.

            • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

              I’ve always wondered what we’re supposed to do with cake if not eat it.  Seems like an awful waste of cake.

              • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

                Unless the cake is a lie…

    • rx7ward

       Wow, you really don’t get it, do you?

      • Cecelia Baines

        Actually, try this out….

        At the Atheist/Skepticon last year (2011) there was the gelato brouhaha….which led to several businesses around the gelato shop in question to offer discounts to anyone with a Skepticon conference badge (and please don’t play semantic games) – and yes, the Skepticon convention is all about a world view/atheism….so I ask you, how did you feel about such discounts?

        After the Jessica affair in Rhode Island, several businesses offered discounts to atheists and secularists…..how did you feel about that?

        If the answer is you were okay with those discounts then you must allow the restaurant the discount for the church flyer.

        • rx7ward

          “If the answer is you were okay with those … then you must allow”

          Simply, “No! I MUSTN’T allow …”

          These are bad analogies; so, you DON’T get it. Your first example is particularly bad, since “Convention Attendee” is not a protected class. The second one is a bit better, but still fails to be persuasive because atheists and secularists are a minority, while the religious (esp. Christians in the US) are the majority. Plus the fact that anyone can claim to be an atheist, and doing so doesn’t require the equivalent of “going to church,” etc.

          • Cecelia Baines

            You are an idiot and intellectually dishonest. You cause more problems for the atheist community by promoting your double standard.

            Lick my yeasty box dumbshit.

            • Sindigo

              Uggh. Like there was any need for that. Debates get heated and dumb arguments get knocked down as they should but once you resort to abuse, you’ve lost.

              Which is a shame ‘cos I kind of came here to agree with you.

            • rx7ward

               Very convincing argument! And you think I give atheists a bad name …

        • C Peterson

          I’m fine with the first discount. It isn’t being extended to any protected class. There’s no reason to think that everybody at Skepticon was an atheist, and certainly one didn’t need to be to register. The conference wasn’t about religion. Similarly, there could be a convention centered on Christian theology, and I’d have no problem with discounts being extended, and don’t think it would be found illegal.

          The second case is clear. A business can’t offer discounts to atheists. They can, however, offer discounts to secularists.

        • HughInAz

          After the Jessica affair in Rhode Island, several businesses offered discounts to atheists and secularists…..

          While several others refused point blank to do business with them. Many people tried to send Jessica flowers but couldn’t find a flower shop in Rhode Island willing to deliver them.

          • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

            Oh, but you forget — that one act of kindness totally cancels out all that other stuff!

            /snark

        • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

          After the Jessica affair in Rhode Island, several businesses offered discounts to atheists and secularists

          I followed that pretty closely, and I don’t recall anything about discounts to anyone, only refusals to provide service- one of which started out talking about ‘that atheist’ and quickly turned into a question of security for the delivery driver.  Got citation?

          • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

            btw, a better example would be http://www.qcumbers.com/ which offers a discount if you bring in your church bulletin or MN Atheists newsletter.  In keeping with the Cajun Kitchen decision (understanding that it’s a state level decision and a different state), Q. Cumbers should expand their discount to include atheists who belong to other organizations as well as Synagogue, Mosque or Temple newsletters.

        • SeekerLancer

          For the first case, as C Peterson said you don’t have to be an atheist or even a skeptic to go to Skepticon. So no, that analogy still doesn’t work.

          To the second case I agree. That discount shouldn’t have been extended.

  • Mark Johnston

    It looks like the restaurant is calling it a “win” because they are allowed to continue with the promotion and can keep the sign.

  • Ibis3

    Should I be surprised at all the supporters of segregation here? 

  • Epinephrine

    I’m surprised the church didn’t offer to print a coupon on the bulletin, so that they could legitimately say that they offer a discount with a coupon.  

    • http://www.facebook.com/darren.nolen Darren Nolen

      Clever, that.

    • Isilzha

       It’s not just one church.

  • freemage

    To all the folks posting, “What’s so discriminatory about this?”, you have to re-think the promotion’s terms.  Suppose the ad said, “Bring in a church bulletin, or pay an extra X% on your Sunday meal!”  The discrimination becomes crystal-clear in that case, and it’s on a basis that is absolutely forbidden by law.  (For that matter, I have to wonder if they would’ve accepted a bulletin from a synagogue or mosque prior to the lawsuit.)

  • Jason Horton

    I wouldn’t want to give my money to a restaurant who discriminates against me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004178943455 Adam Byers

    This is stupid. This is not something we should be celebrating. This was a private business that is now being forced by the government to do something against their will. 

    Why are we happy about this?

    Let them offer a discount to people with church bulletins. If you don’t like it, don’t go to their restaurant. This is not a victory for Atheists – it just makes us all look like asses. 

    • Thegoodman

      “This was a private business that is now being forced by the government to do something against their will.”

      I know right! Next thing you know, we won’t even be able to own slaves anymore. What next? Women voting?

    • David_in_Houston

      How is a business that is open to the general public, “private”? They’re being forced to treat all their customers the same. Shocking, I know. This is just further proof that Christians want “special” rules that only apply to them, just because they’ve CHOSEN to believe in God. But, of course, now that they’ve been called out on their discriminatory practices, they are the victims, and their CHOSEN religious beliefs are being persecuted. In other words, they aren’t being allowed to discriminate against non-Christians. Yeah, I know it sucks to have to treat heathens as equals in our secular society.

      Suffice to say, if a gay-owned restaurant had a notice on their website that said that only LGBT people (that identified themselves as such) were entitled to special prices on food, you can be sure that every Christian church in the area would be up-in-arms about it.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004178943455 Adam Byers

        What if the business owner went to several churches in the area and had them print coupons in their bulletins. Church goers get a discount - all they have to do is bring their bulletin in – and the owner gets free advertising. 

        Would that be the same thing?   

    • Stev84

       Are you also against businesses being forced to serve black people?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004178943455 Adam Byers

        Your land, your building – you should be able to do what you want so long as you’re not causing harm to others. This was a private business - not the government – offering a discount to certain people.

        What about senior discounts – that’s age discrimination. You going to get worked up about that too?

        • WoodyTanaka

          “Your land, your building – you should be able to do what you want so long as you’re not causing harm to others”

          refusing to serve someone based on their race (or religion) is causing harm to others.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004178943455 Adam Byers

        Yes, businesses should be forced to not discriminate. But not by the government. They should be forced by a society and market that does not tolerate discrimination. 

        • WoodyTanaka

          (The government IS the society. Organized.)

          The problem is that, in the places where someone might do such discrimination, the “society and market” are usually just as racist.  Are we supposed to just shrug when our fellow citizens suffer discrimination simply because they live among evil people?  Have you been to the south and seen how many people  still fly the Southern Swastika of Treason?

    • Question Everything

      Much like making sure that the food they serve is not going to make me sick, I don’t mind the government making sure that all customers are treated equally.  That’s why I’m happy about this.

  • Aaron Scoggin

    Well, if you’re really having trouble figuring out why it’s a problem, then how about a restaurant offering half price meals for atheists only. You go there, and you have to say “There is no god” in order to get the discount. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6OE7LEYELE4MZTVXGZUSVTBFUI julie

    I’m going to have to disagree with a lot of people here, although I guess I’m a bit in-between…
    This isn’t so much of a “Discount for Christians!” thing as it is a discount for the Sunday crowd, which is predominately Christian. If someone came in with some sort of atheist, Muslim, or Jewish bulletin and they refused the discount, then yes, that would be discriminatory, but this guy never even went to eat there and see what they would do.
    I just think this whole thing could have been handled a lot better. I don’t think giving discounts to sports teams is discriminatory, even for disabled people who cannot possibly be on a sports team.
    This is borderline discrimination where we don’t exactly know the restaurant’s intent and that should have been established before any sort of legal action was taken.
    I also think that we should really weight the pros and cons here. Yes, this man and other non-religious people may now get a Sunday discount at this restaurant, but in exchange, everyone who hears about this thinks even more negatively of atheists.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_H43BEIPJPBYURE4HOVHX7H2WOI Rick T

    If the restaurant wanted to support churches only and have that discount, they could just take out (and pay for) advertising space and put Coupons in the bulletins. I wonder if they have considered that approach. Of course, not all church bulletins have an advertising page. Not sure if the FFRF newsletter does either.

  • Robert Freid

    What if a more secular restaurant offered dicounts for atheists, or “rationalists”? Just wondering…

  • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

    Their website also has accessibility issues.  If they think they had a problem with the FFRF, wait til the NFB goes after them.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/EODM45N2R75PI57HLZQIF5C3XA Mark

    Let’s get real.  These guys weren’t trying to give people an incentive to go to church.  They knew that alot of people go to church on Sunday and they were just trying to get them to eat at their restarant afterwards.  I don’t think anybody is saying, “Hey, let’s go sit through an hour of religious bullshit so we can get a discount on some wings.”  But they might be saying, “On the way home from church, let’s have lunch at Prudhoome’s, they’ll give us a discount.”

    Sometimes we our atheist radar can be too sensitive. 

  • Rwlawoffice

    The restaurant would have won any lawsuit brought over this ad. You get the discount if you bring in a bulletin not if you are a Christian. An atheist could stop by a church and bring in a bulletin and still get the discount regardless of their true beliefs.

    Any atheist could not show true discrimination in this case.

    The FFRF sent a similar letter to a rest. here in Texas NDT the ADF lawyers rightfully told them there was no violation of the constitution. If the Penns. Human Rights Comm. ordered the rest. To stop, that would be a violation of the owners rights.

    • Pureone

      As pointed out above, I can trespass and steal a bulletin? That’s not ethical. Doesn’t that break a few commandments as well? Why should I have to pay more if I don’t want to break the law?
      What if my religion says I cannot set foot in another religions holy building? What if my religion only uses a book of common prayers and no bulletin? 

      • Rwlawoffice

        If you have to make that many what ifs to try and show how this practice is discriminatory it’s a good indication it’s not.

        • http://squeakysoapbox.com/ Rich Wilson

          There’s a difference between parallel what-ifs and serial what-ifs.

        • Pureone

          You didn’t answer the part about breaking the law, using the lords name in vain (since I’m stealing a bit of a holy worship service as an atheist for a secular purpose), coveting….

          It seems they have to extend it to everyone. 

          • Rwlawoffice

            If you are an atheist, you don’t believe there is a Lord’s name to take in vain so I saw no reason to respond to that.

            Where does the ad say you must be a Christian to get the discount? It says bring in a bulletin. The discount has nothing to do with your beliefs or your practices. It simply says bring in a bulletin. How you got it or whether you sat through the service is not part of the promotion. Thus, there is no requirement that you actually sit through a service and believe what you heard and therefore there is no discrimination based on religion.

  • http://profiles.google.com/mjparme Michael Parmeley

    I remember the original post bout this and I remember commenting that it was ridiculous to go after them. My opinion hasn’t changed. They are a privately owned business and they can choose to do what they want. As a consumer I can simply decide not to go there if I don’t like their policies. It is called freedom (both theirs and mine).

  • SeekerLancer

    I don’t think the restaurant intended to piss anybody off initially. On the surface it seems like clever marketing toward the after-church dinner crowd on Sundays, which is a pretty huge market depending on your location and this is in the very religious town of Lancaster, PA.

    However the way they’re going about addressing the issue once it was brought to their attention as discriminatory is shameful.

  • Earl G.

    If I brought in a handwritten “bulletin” from the Church of Spending Sunday Morning Playing Wii on the Couch in My Underwear, would they honor it?

  • Joyelcamps1

     Wow, you really don’t get it, do you?


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