Kansas Governor Declares Saturday a Day of Collective Repentance to God

This post can be filed under “Answers to the question: What’s the matter with Kansas?”

Governor Sam Brownback — wait, don’t leave! — has issued a proclamation declaring Saturday a “Day of Restoration,” in essence endorsing the Christian group ReignDown USA:

WHEREAS, we collectively repent of distancing ourselves from God and ask for His mercy on us:

NOW, THEREFORE, I, Sam Brownback, GOVERNOR OF THE STATE OF KANSAS, do hereby proclaim December 8th 2012, as a

Day of Restoration

in Kansas and ask every citizen of our state to join in asking a Holy God to bring healing and restoration — help in mending broken lives, bringing peace to our families, our communities, and this land.

Yeah… I’m guessing the lives of many Kansans will still be pretty bleak after Saturday. Maybe next time, Brownback could actually do something to help the people of his state instead of making empty gestures to an imaginary being.

Can we get some rationalists to show up in Topeka this weekend to provide an alternative viewpoint? Pictures and video earn you bonus points.

(Thanks to Andrew for the link)

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  • Sven2547

    These guys really have a hard time grasping the Establishment Clause, don’t they?

    • Kirby_G

      “Oh, we don’t prefer one religion over another, honey.  You can be Baptist, Presbyterian, Anglican, Lutheran…”

      • jdm8

        You joke, but that’s exactly how some of them see it. David Barton has been pushing that particular interpretation of “religion” in the first amendment for a couple decades.

        • Kansan

           Barton pretends to be a historian, writing about actual history. It’s mostly fantasy, of course, but the mouth breathers eat it up.

      • Willy Occam

        Hence, Bill O’Reilly’s ridiculous “Christianity is a philosophy not a religion” comment from a few days back. 

        • gallowaygrumblefield

          Too bad it’s not, that might actually make me consider it more seriously as a moral code, rather than a superstitious one.

      • http://twitter.com/EllenBethWachs EllenBeth Wachs

        Yes, but that is exactly what the district court judge stated in ruling that prayer was allowed at Lakeland City Commission in response to my lawsuit. She said there was a very diverse representation- there was baptists, methodists, presbyterians, catholics… I kid you not

        • Debbietee

          Disgusting. So sorry. Maybe next time…

        • http://www.facebook.com/james.smullins.1 James Smullins

           I lived in Lake county for 25 years until I moved To Oklahoma ( I know I know) for work. One thing Polk county was known for was having the biggest idiots breathing. But then from my point of view the only difference from Polk and lake counties was number of teeth. :(

        • Willy Occam

          That kind of “diversity” reminds of this classic line from The Blues Brothers movie:

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSZfUnCK5qk

  • http://www.facebook.com/gregm766 Gregory Marshall

    Are the Catholics gonna be pissed because they cooped Immaculate Conception?

  • http://snigsfoot.blogspot.com/ Rob Crompton

    And then on Sunday when Kansas is a paradise everyone else throughout the USA and the whole world will see the absolutely amazing wonderfulness and wonderful amazingness of the place, this idea will go viral and everyone else will do the same. By New Year the world will be at peace and…
    “I’m as corny as Kansas in August…”

    • http://www.facebook.com/dan.brennan.3386 Dan Brennan

      props for that A Wonderful Guy lyrick. I listened to that song on Galaxy News Radio quite a bit.

  • K_wiktorii

    This man is typical of the new right wing lunacy.  Rather than actually doing anything to improve the world we live in, they just implore the favor of  a bronze age fairy tale tough guy.  If things don’t improve then it’s your fault because you didn’t pray hard enough!  Meanwhile Brownback and the other demons of his ilk, newly washed of any responsibility for state of the economy, environment, et al. , can sit back, light up a cigar and marvel at the sheer gullibility of the masses they command.  …These are sick twisted bastards folks!

  • scipio1

    It’s not a religion, it’s a philosophy! (snark)

    • http://www.bynkii.com/ John C. Welch

      It’s a tasty breakfast treat!

      Holios! Tastes great with milk as part of a balanced breakfast!

      • http://www.flickr.com/photos/chidy/ chicago dyke

        goodness, what is the matter with You People?

        the proper response is: “it’s a dessert, and a floor topping.”

        please make a note. 
        :-)

  • ARTSKIBEACH

    What the hell is in the water over in Kansas???? Does ANY of the legislators of that state have ANY idea of the contents of the CONSTITUTION?????

    • http://www.bynkii.com/ John C. Welch

      having lived just over the line in MO for some time: no. They still hate booze there.

    • Chris

      Any semi moderate republicans in this deep red state were actively campaigned against by the Gov. For pushing a liberal agenda. And his fundies beat every one of them in the elections this year.

      • Octoberfurst

        The fundies just outbreed normal, sane people and they vote for whoever their preacher wants them to vote for.  As someone else posted it is like dealing with the Borg.

        • Jillian

          All of us sane people take time to question bringing a child into a world with nutcases like this guy.  They are breeding an army.  We need to start breeding the smart army.

    • WoodyTanaka

      It’s not just Kansas.  People all over the country believe this vile, anti-human, Jesus-worship crap.  It’s just in places like Kansas where they’re free to come out from under their rocks.  

    • http://www.facebook.com/Splash777 David Marshall

      Well they probably think The Wizard Of Oz is a history book of Kansas so what do you expect from them. The USA is full of these loudmouth zealots that keep being pumped up by ignorance and ridiculousness. How about running a candidate for government that doesn’t speak of any faiths and is just a good person who works hard? You might see a change in the way people think without the constant stupidity of religion forced upon them.

  • Baal

    I’m guessing they don’t care that these prayer events from governors looks scary and unhinged to a goodly number of us.  I prefer my governors to explain issues and how their policies work to solve problems.

    It’s pretty much a cliche trope to suggest these same people would object to a public invocation to Lakshmi to pray for prosperity for the people of Kansas, but it’s the end of the day and I’m not feeling original and blatant hypocrisy is blatant.

  • http://www.bynkii.com/ John C. Welch

    Oh now they’re just trolling.

  • b00ger

    Interesting, there’s a quote from Thomas Jefferson in the “proclamation” 
    “I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever.” – Thomas Jefferson, 1787; ”

    Here’s the full quote from the Monticello website, “God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that his justice cannot sleep forever. Commerce between master and slave is despotism. Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people are to be free. Establish a law for educating the common people. This it is the business of the state and on a general plan”

    Here’s how much money Brownback has cut from the education budget since 2009: $270 million 

    source:
    http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2012/mar/19/kansas-house-passes-14b-budget/

    • http://www.facebook.com/Splash777 David Marshall

      Because educated people tend to leave religion behind. The dumb and poor tend to love religion because it makes them feel less like a loser and that they are worth something. But we educated people know that is untrue they are more worthless and ignorant and unwanted than just regular poor dumb uneducated folks that aren’t faith believers. If we educated the people religion keeps fading so lets keep doing our part to educated that part of society to cut of their supply of christian soldiers.

      • Blacksheep

        Jefferson’s quote aligns with what Kansas is saying, albeit in a more elegant way.

  • http://cryofly.myopenid.com/ anuran

    To heck with the governor! Let him do what ever he wants as long as it don’t interfere with my devil worship. Anyway I am too drunk on a the sabbath and so is the governor… repenting the friday night party.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1351473675 Matthew Baker

    He must have forgotten that it didn’t work out so well for Texas when they tried this. Is he up for reelection  next year?

  • Chris

    I live here already… But this wingnut signs my paycheck, and if you remember how bent outta shape he got when a teenage girl tweeted mean at him (If not he demanded a public apology and tried getting her expelled, because she was at the Capitol in a school trip.) it might not bode well for me.

  • http://atheistlutheran.blogspot.com/ MargueriteF

    “We collectively repent”? Apparently Kansas has been assimilated. Look out– it’s the Christian Borg! Resistance is futile!

    Seriously, saying a large and diverse group of people do anything “collectively” is just silly. Issuing a proclamation to that effect doesn’t make it so; it just makes it sillier.

    • sindarintech

      Collectively? But, but, but… isn’t anything ‘collective’ SOCIALISM? LOL

  • http://twitter.com/emilyhasbooks Emily Dietle

    Clearly the “god” he references is the Christian one, just listen to the background music.

    • pagansister

       OMG—you mean there is another god besides a Christian one?     You will now go to hell for even thinking such things.  :o)

  • Really?!?!?!?!?

    Trust me, not ALL Kansans think this way!  I’ve been born and raised in this crazy state to “normal” parents, but I’m far from the “normal”.   I’d rather dance around a bon fire, by the moonlight to a drumming circle!  If I weren’t too shy, I’d even get naked!!

    • Will Babbit

      Yes, because that’s really what we want to show is the only alternative to being a right wing christian…smh…

      • Deven Kale

         False dichotomy much? He never said that his way was the only other option, he just said he wasn’t a normal Kansan and gave a reason why. Don’t try and make what he said into something it’s not.

  • Rosamonde

    Separation of church and state NOW!

  • Edmond

    If only a SINGLE person prays to God asking that these difficult times CONTINUE, and they DO, then who do we conclude that God was listening to?

    • tom rogers

      Oh, I like that one. Someone with a fairly large “megaphone”( a celebrity or the like) posting that they’re praying for the status quo, and if things are not changed after the ‘Day of Restoration’, then God has shewn his anger at those imposters trying to pretend to have his Holy Ear. 

      • Edmond

        I’ve always wondered about this, and how it would be spun.  Suppose I pray for a plane crash, and one happens?  What if I pray for a child, or a whole family, to be killed in a car crash, and they are?  Is God listening to THESE prayers, and answering them?  WHY??  Why would he do that?

        You could pray for ANYTHING, and if it happens, no matter how terrible, wouldn’t that mean that God answered that terrible prayer (if God were real, of course)?

        Theists would NEVER admit that this was true.

  • Groucho Barx

    Not to be the devils advocate here but I don’t understand how this is a separation of church and state issue…. Presuming of course that what the video said is true, that no state funds were used in the production of the video OR the event itself. If that’s the case then gov douchebag, I mean brownback, is really just using his celebrity to support his religion, and while it’s retarded he still has that right

    • http://www.flickr.com/photos/chidy/ chicago dyke

      i advocate atheism, rationalism, humanism, and science. 

      brownback advocates fairy tales and the “power” of shouting at clouds, as a leader during times in which millions are suffering from the collapse of a strong economy and the new reality of unemployment for many,  while rich people and corporations are paying all-time low rates of taxes.

      one of us is poor, black and lacking in TV appearances.

      the other is gov of an important state in a powerful and wealthy nation with a state sponsored staff, access to national grade media, a multi million dollar taxpayer funded budget and billionaire donors during election season. 

      think about that for a little while. 

      • Groucho Barx

        Ok…. but what does that have to do with the legality of him making this video or participating in their day of prayer or whatever?… Believe me, I think it’s dumb and in bad taste, I just can’t for the life of me figure out how this would be any different from an atheist politician sponsoring (with his own time and money) a day to “celebrate darwin” or something to that effect.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=528682837 Sandi Gliewe

          Groucho Barx he is using his public office to push his religions agenda… *Buzzer* Warning! Warning! Mixing church and state! Those in public office are not allowed to do that, by law.

        • Ibanezerscrooge

           Darwin was a scientist, not a divine being, regardless of how theists try and spin the admiration many atheists might have for him and what he did to advance our scientific understanding of our world. At least he was a real, actual person and far from divine. Regardless of whether tax money is spent, as a representative of the government he is not allowed to make such proclamations favoring one religion or another.

          What’s so funny about things like this is that if he had said that Saturday was to be a “day of reflection and hope for the good fortune of all Kansans” and not mentioned anything about a Holy God it would mean the exact same thing and still be constitutional. Atheists would reflect, Christians would pray to Yahweh, Muslims to Allah, etc. without any endorsement of one over the other by the Governor himself. What this tells me is that the Governor does, in fact, endorse personally and through his office one religion over all others. *BUZZ* Busted.

        • Phred_P

           “A Holy God”?  If I pray to Krishna, Zeus will be offended.  If I pray to Zeus, Wotan will be offended.  If I pray to Wotan, Krishna will be offended.  If I pray to any of the above, the FSM will be offended.  How to choose?

          • Blacksheep

            Many people, including many Christians, as well as Quakers, believe that simply by praying to God you will be reaching out to the one true God by default.  People don’t say, “Dear Christian God” when they pray – they mostly say “Dear God / heavenly father / Allah / etc.

            • Coyotenose

               While that’s pretty good, it isn’t Biblical. It’s a Buddhist philosophy (and probably Hindu, I forget). It’s actually antithetical to Biblical teachings.

    • Serx

      Not that any of you will be surprised, but this flagrantly violates Article 7 of the Kansas Bill of Rights:
      The right to worship God according to the dictates of conscience shall never be infringed; nor shall any person be compelled to attend or support any form of worship; nor shall any control of or interference with the rights of conscience be permitted, nor any preference be given by law to any religious establishment or mode of worship. No religious test or property qualification shall be required for any office of public trust, nor for any vote at any elections, nor shall any person be incompetent to testify on account of religious belief.
      This clearly gives preference to a mode of worship that centers on repentence, which is not common even to monotheistic faiths.

      • Blacksheep

        The idea of repentance is common and central to every monotheistic faith that I know of.

        In Islam:
        “The importance of repentance to God has also been stressed by the Islamic prophet Muhammad, when he said,
        “Allah is more delighted with the repentance of His servant than one of you would be, who suddenly finds his camel laden with supplies after losing it in a barren land” (1)

        “O son of Adam, so long as you call upon Me, and ask of Me, I shall forgive you for what you have done, and I shall not mind.’”

        “Great is repentance; it turns premeditated sins into incentives for right
        conduct.”

        In Judaism:
        “Repentance in Judaism known as teshuva (Hebrew: תשובה‎, literally “return”), is the way of atoning for sin in Judaism.”

        In Christianity:
        No need to quote.

        In Confucianism:
        “If one hides the evil, it adds and grows. If one bares it and repents,
        the sin dies out. Therefore all Buddhas say that the wise do not hide
        sin.”
        In Zoroastrianism:The (day before) new years festival of “Pateti” is about new beginnings, “Pateti” translates roughly as “repentance”

        • Coyotenose

           “Repentance” does have the same meaning or application in all of those religions. Look closer at the quotes.

          And Brownback called for an extremely specific kind of repentance, given the overtly Judeo-Christian wording. Reread the post.

          • Blacksheep

            They’re all very much the same. In fact when you look more closely, they all deal with the problem of sin, and how to reconcile iot and “make things right.”

            • Coyotenose

               I meant *does not have the same meaning*, but that was apparently clear.

              No. Some refer to supernatural repentance, some to worldly.

              Oh, and again, Brownback called for an extremely specific kind of religious repentance. It would be overly generous to call implying otherwise merely disingenuous, since you’re trying to put up a smokescreen in front of the actual issue.

    • Coyotenose

       The Unconstitutional part is where he refers to his elected position to give himself more religious authority.

  • http://twitter.com/TheBlockTVinc TheBlockTV™

    TLDR

  • http://religiouscomics.net/ Jeff P

    Does asking for God’s favor also work in football games?

  • A3Kr0n

    Even if we fight these things and we win, we really lose and they still win. They win because they can tell their christian supports that at least they tried. We  lose because we’re out a whole bunch of money and emotional effort, and they just go and do that same stupid bullshit all over again.
    YES, I am CYNICAL today. Baa! Humburgers!

  • DougI

    Oh lovely, being a Kansas resident it appears that I’m legally required to be a Christian for at least one day.  Does this mean on Saturday I’m barred from working, have to molest a child and beat up a Jew?

    • A3Kr0n

      You’re supposed to be EXTRA Christian for a day. After that you can go back to being a plain old Christian.

      • http://www.flickr.com/photos/chidy/ chicago dyke

        damn straight. but on Saturday, you better burn a lesbian over a nice, hot fire of properly christian faggots (go look it up, newbies) or you won’t prove to jeebus you love him enough. make her kiss a cross before she melts, just to be sure. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/Splash777 David Marshall

        So you have be ignorant, super racist in a violent manner, beat the living hell out of your spose, screw your daughters, molest the neighbours boys, impregnate your mom and then go to church to celebrate your achievements and be forgiven because you showed up and followed your orders from the beard homosexual child murdering douche bag you think lives in the sky.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=587337464 Heide Meadows

      i lived in one of those ” real american ” towns  here in kansas
      hartford , when i was a child, just outside of emporia..you know the  kind ,all white population ,full of all kinds of ” good” christian men…

      and let me tell you everyday for them was a good day for molesting children….
      but the most juicy day of all it seemed was sunday ,,yep , the best
      right after the sunday go to meetin …all that righteousness that needed to be rained down.. i hear the place is still this way,,all holy and what not

      and beating up jews is not the cool thing now, jews are all okey dokey now…the zionistic ones that is

      its the muslims,the mexicans, those darn yoga spreaders ,gay people,,and those nasty goddess worshiping pagans  are still on the list as well

      after all the population must not be reminded ,,whilst the christians are whining ..that  the atheists are trying to steal christmas…..that all traditions people  observe  during  the christ mass time..the tree ,yule log, wreathes etc.. 
      were stolen from the dirty things..

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/A37GL7VKR3W6ACSIZPH7EID3LI rlrose63

    And then he’ll actually do something, right?  I mean, something useful, like extending benefits or helping in a soup kitchen or SOMETHING that would actually make a difference in people’s lives?

  • Bellj

    How scary the world is to people like this. They do everything “right” but their god does not bless them, at least not in the way they think he should. So instead of trying something new, they pile the old superstitions on even heavier. I wonder if this is how the ancient idea of sacrificing animals and people to the gods came about. 

    • pagansister

       Right—where is that god when you need him/her already?  Been praying and everything!  

      • http://twitter.com/ylaenna M. Elaine

         Must sacrifice more virgins.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1081326283 Rayanne Stemmler

        Pray harder.

    • Blacksheep

      I’m not so sure that they are doing everything “right.” 

      The Bible makes a fairly clear distinction between salvation through grace and the concept of being blessed by living a righteous life while we’re here.

  • Jeeler

    I always enjoy viewing large numbers of irremediably dumb-ass, officious, superstitious, hyper-patriot, theo-thugs in one place.  It’s so… Nuremberg-ish.

  • Chopper

    I live in KS, about 45 minutes from where this is happening, trust me, some of us will be there protesting. Also, I apologize for my state to everyone else in this country, some of us do read the constitution. I do, however wonder if Fred Phelps will be there protesting this as some kind of false christianity?

  • http://www.tumblr.com/blog/his-divine-shadow His Shadow

    I am going to petition my MLA to declare a Day of Subservience to His Divine Shadow, lest His Merciful Shadow fall upon you.

  • http://twitter.com/GaLiberal GaLiberal

    Typical repub who thinks the entire world should be just like him.  I grew up in KS and my parents are still there.  How Brownback was elected gov is beyond me.  He was a total dbag when he was in Congress and now he’s screwing the state into the ground.  KS is a solid repub state because they hate homosexuals and same-sex marriage, that the UN is going to take over the US, and that Obama and Democrats are socialists (despite the fact that Democrats have been very generous with farm price support programs which the repubs want to cut).

  • Anti-tyrant

    I’m not saying he is an alcoholic, but he really does have the look of one. I’ve had several in my immediate family, plus worked with a bunch, and they have “a look”.

  • newavocation

    Come on! How much money will ReighDownUSA collect at this event? And what is the Governors cut? It’s never really about god, it’s about dollars!

  • http://twitter.com/Journeygirl65 Jen Price

    Does this idiot realize that Washington, Franklin & Lincoln were NOT Christian?  If anything they were Deists!  The reconstructionists need to be stopped…

    • Rwlawoffice

      The only attempt to reconstruct history is being done by the atheists of this country who simply cannot stand that our founding fathers were deeply religious men. You need to really read some history before you make a comment and call someone else an idiot. Even in all caps you are completely wrong.

      • Coyotenose

         ONE major Founder was deeply religious. Read a book, Revisionist.

        Not that it will help, since your entire history here has shown that you’ll play dishonest word games with whatever you read.

        • Rwlawoffice

          I know my history on this issue. You are wrong. There were over 200 men who signed the deceleration of independence or the articles of confederation or the constitution. None of them were atheists and all of them were religious. Some were pastors. Read some of their original writings and you will see how religious they were.

    • Coyotenose

       Washington was a serious Christian. Most of the other well-known Founders, not so much.

  • pagansister

    Guess Mr. Brownback (oh! That’s right he is a Governor–and ELECTED official) hasn’t heard of “separation of church and state—in this case it is the state of Kansas.  What needs to be “restored?”   Unbelievable! 

    • Nkosi2

      there appears to be no separation of church & state in the ole u s a–it’s written on your money-is it not ?

  • James Munch

    “No state resources were used in the production of this video.”  Except the damn governor!  Sad to be a Kansan surrounded by tools that support this loon.

  • https://agoldstardad.wordpress.com/ Fozzy

    Land of Westboro..

  • Annie

    It looks like Brownback has a pretty nice pad… I wonder if he will open it up to other Kansans in need of a place to stay.  Oh, forget about that, he’ll just pray to god instead!

  • http://friendlyatheist.com Richard Wade

    …and ask every citizen of our state to join in asking a Holy God to bring healing and restoration…

      A Holy God? Like, pick any Holy God you wish? Isn’t he being dangerously broad, unspecific, and inclusive?  Whatever ol’ Holy God you have knockin’ around,  just dust it off, prop it up, and ask that one?

    • KeithCollyer

      darn, was going to post pretty much the same, but Richard got there first

    • B B

      I already sent a prayer to Zeus.

  • Rwlawoffice

    Gov. Brownback is doing the same thing that Washington and Jefferson did along with other of our founding fathers and we know that they did nothing for this country except call for a day of prayer. The way you describe it Hemant you would think the rest of the proclamation said that all other activities and programs helping people in Kansas will be cancelled and stopped. Because that is all Christians do,we just pray. We never get out and open hospitals,establish homeless shelters,build orphanage, set up food banks, or volunteer in nursing homes, etc.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1081326283 Rayanne Stemmler

      Actually, George Washington and John Adams called for a day of ‘giving thanks.’ Thomas Jefferson declined to do so. Ironically, he did so in his famous letter in which he coined the term ‘wall of separation between church and state.’

      • Rwlawoffice

        Actually that is incorrect. Google day of prayer Washington and Jefferson and you will see multiple articles about proclamations made by them to set aside a day of prayer. Jefferson’s resolution whilevhecwas gov. of Virginia was titled “Day of Fadting, Humiliation and Prayer”

    • Coyotenose

       That’s true, you do sponsor Ugandan orphanages, which is nice… until you indoctrinate the children so that they grow up to be murderous homophobes who cheer at legislation designed to imprison and execute people who KNOW gay people. Good job, you shitwitted thugs.

      But piss-poor job of knowing history, of grasping basic Constitutional law, or of managing to tell the truth about the article.

      • Rwlawoffice

        You really can’t help yourself can you. But as for history and your understanding of the constitution, you are flat wrong.

        • Coyotenose

           Thanks for admitting in between your desperate projections that you’ve sponsored murder and haven’t even the decency to care.

          • Rwlawoffice

            Didn’t say or imply anything of the sort. Just didn’t respond to your silly comment.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mark-Anthony/1557794759 Mark Anthony

    :  LOL!…

  • Mischi Boyd

    You must be joking! American need to learn to keep religion and politics apart. This is more insane crap from a once nice and dignified country!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1280183233 Jerry Wilson

    Yeah, what a humongous waste of time that will be. Nothing fails like prayer.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Thayer-Goss/100000918901362 Thayer Goss

    This is a blatant abuse of office. It’s great that no public resources were used for any of this, but I think politicians should be held to the same standard as military personnel when it comes to religion. No use of official title can be used when endorsing or discouraging religion. They should have to do it as citizens and not be able to use the access to the media they have from their official office to do the same. I think it’s high time we made these politicians live up to the same high and honorable standards of the military they claim to support.

  • pablo_rajczyk

    Prayer: pretending like you’re helping without actually having to do jackshit.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Splash777 David Marshall

    The Republican’t party has been infiltrated by religious nut cases and something needs to be done about that. Where are all the somewhat normal folks that vote Republican’t? They need to ban together and take their party back from the religious wrong and stop this whole pray for a fix so I don’t have to work movement and put people on the ground with realistic plans to move forward. These backward morons need to be booted from politics or just for a party and call it the christian revival party as they really are.

  • juggs

    I find it ironic that an absolute fair God would favor a country more than another.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1081326283 Rayanne Stemmler

      Where did you hear that the xtian god was fair?

  • http://www.facebook.com/Titanium.Muscle Jason Gagnon

    The Separation of Church and State has no meaning to people. I wish I could force feed an entire Bible into the mouth of this man and literally one up his ass. THERE IS NO PLACE FOR RELIGION IN POLITICS! (That’s the way the Constitution was written, and that’s how it should be.)

  • ShannonRector

    Toto,I have a feeling we’re in Kansas

  • lifeiznuts

    You can lead a believer to thinking but ……. well, you know the rest.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brant-Vice/100000446702472 Brant Vice

     We haven’t forgotten god…we’ve grown out of fairy tales.

    • Casper

       “…we’ve grown out of fairy tales.”   Are you certain of this?  Chances are that you have simply migrated to another fairy tale; or worse, you’ve made up your own. 

      Granted, many people ignorantly accept what is simply handed down to them by oral tradition.  This is a sad reality.  But to actually experience the presence and work of God is something entirely different.

      • Deven Kale

         Hallucinations and vague “feelings” of gods aren’t evidence for anything other than neurochemicals being temporarily (or permanently, for some) out of balance. If it were, then everybody who had those same feelings would follow the same god. As it turns out, people who follow the Hindu religion, or some other polytheistic religion hallucinate their own gods, and those same “feelings” only stand to enhance their own faith, not bring them to another.

        • Casper

           Who said anything about “Hallucinations and vague ‘feelings’ of gods”?  I know I didn’t.

          • Deven Kale

            But to actually experience the presence and work of God is something entirely different.

            Yes you did, you just haven’t realized it.

  • ejoty

    He’s talking about “a Holy God” – so he clearly believes there’s a choice between holy and unholy ones.

  • http://www.flickr.com/groups/invisiblepinkunicorn Anna

    We collectively repent of distancing ourselves from God and ask for His mercy on us

    They’re repenting? For distancing themselves? Scary. Sounds like these people are dripping with self hatred. It’s as if their god is some kind of abusive spouse, and they’re pleading for mercy because they haven’t debased themselves and groveled enough.

    • Casper

      Anna, I’m curious as to how you arrived at your understanding of “repenting”.  Have you always perceived of god as some kind of “abusive spouse” or belligerent father?  If so, I can somewhat see how you have come to understand “repenting” as something like saying “I’m sorry” out of sheer terror.  But perhaps your perception of this divine entity is a little off.  Have you not heard that it is the KINDNESS of God that leads to repentance?  And repentance is not merely a terrified utterance of “I’m sorry”.  It is a turning from what is wrong toward what is right.  It is renewed focus and attention on the face of God.  It is not self-hatred as you call it; the person who genuinely hates his/her life has no desire for God’s forgiveness and mercy; rather, it is the one who values and loves his/her life who desires God’s kindness.

      • http://www.flickr.com/groups/invisiblepinkunicorn Anna

        From the dictionary:

        re·pent /riˈpent/VerbFeel or express sincere regret or remorse about one’s wrongdoing or sin.View or think of (an action or omission) with deep regret or remorse.

        But those people haven’t done anything wrong. There is nothing for them to repent of. It’s all low self esteem. People are told they are “sinful,” that they are inherently bad, and that they must repent and beg for forgiveness in order for their deity to grant them mercy.

        As for their deity being an abusive spouse, that seems to be how it is depicted in the text. It demands love and worship, or else it is going to torture people. The people who believe in such a god must hate themselves and have low self esteem, the kind that has been inculcated since infancy that leads them to feel worthless and dependent on this entity for mercy.

        It’s not out of terror, at least not consciously. It’s more like Stockholm Syndrome. These people are genuinely convinced that their god is good, and that they love it. Of course the fact that they are threatened for not loving it, that they will be tortured for not believing in it, does not seem to bother them. They have an emotional investment in preserving their view of their deity as good.

        Not believing in a deity, being “distant” from a deity, neither of those things is wrong. Despite what Sam Brownback thinks, they’re not bad. They’re not something to be ashamed of. And they don’t require repentence.

        • Casper

          It’s great and all that you can refer to a dictionary to help you understand a word, but it looks to me that you are cherry-picking.  Most of the dictionaries I looked at have multiple entries for the word “repent”; one entry depicts it as a feeling of remorse (ie. what you pasted above), while other entries depict it as a changing of the mind, or a turning to walk a better way (ie. what I mentioned previously).  When we see the word “repent” in the Bible, we are actually seeing a translation of a particular Greek word that means an awful lot more than a deep feeling of regret or remorse.

          “But those people haven’t done anything wrong. There is nothing for them to repent of.”

          Let me ask you a question.  Have you ever been deeply and profoundly connected to someone?  Suppose you were to make an oath to that someone.  Suppose that over the course of time, you began to forget your oath and commitment.  All of a sudden, it seems like your life is in disarray due to the loss of that beneficial connection.  Would you not conclude that it was wrong of you to have forsaken your oath?  Would you not feel deep regret for having distanced yourself from the life-giving relationship you once had, and desire to turn again to your oath?  If that makes even a little bit of sense to you, perhaps it could help you to see how a people could feel remorse for neglecting their oath and how they could desire to return to their source of life.

          “As for their deity being an abusive spouse, that seems to be how it is depicted in the text.” 

          We must be reading different texts…could you show me what you are referring to?

          • http://www.flickr.com/groups/invisiblepinkunicorn Anna

            Cherry-picking? I just looked at the first defintion that popped up on Google. “Repent” means exactly what I said, to feel profound remorse for doing something wrong. My point was that those people have not done anything wrong, and they have nothing to feel sorry about.

            When we see the word “repent” in the Bible, we are actually seeing a translation of a particular Greek word that means an awful lot more than a deep feeling of regret or remorse.

            That’s fine, but Sam Brownback was writing in English, and “repent” does mean feeling regret and remorse. But that’s beside the point. There’s no need to quibble over semantics. I’m objecting to the overall message. My point was that they should not feel regretful or remorseful because they haven’t done anything to be ashamed of.

            Let me ask you a question. Have you ever been deeply and profoundly connected to someone? Suppose you were to make an oath to that someone. Suppose that over the course of time, you began to forget your oath and commitment. All of a sudden, it seems like your life is in disarray due to the loss of that beneficial connection. Would you not conclude that it was wrong of you to have forsaken your oath? Would you not feel deep regret for having distanced yourself from the life-giving relationship you once had, and desire to turn again to your oath? If that makes even a little bit of sense to you, perhaps it could help you to see how a people could feel remorse for neglecting their oath and how they could desire to return to their source of life.

            Again, I see this as indicative of religious indoctrination and low self esteem. I don’t deny that they actually feel this way. Of course they feel remorse and regret. I was trying to point out that there’s nothing wrong with them, that they haven’t done anything wrong, and that despite what the governor thinks, not believing in a deity or being “distant” from a deity isn’t something bad.

            We must be reading different texts…could you show me what you are referring to?

            The part where it kills people? The part where it says it’s a jealous god and people shouldn’t worship other gods before it? The parts of the text that talk about hellfire for those that don’t believe in the right deity? These are all things that are promoted by fundamentalists like Sam Brownback. Does your denomination not believe in hell? What does your church believe happens to people who don’t believe in Jesus?

      • Deven Kale

        This is according to your specific version of “God,” or the version preached to you. There are many different versions of “God” (I would actually say they are different “Gods” completely, but that’s me) which aren’t nearly as kind as yours is, all with equally valid Biblical “support.” You cannot go and tell someone the “God” they see is right or wrong, because each one is based on whichever specific passages the follower considers most important.

        Some versions of “God” aren’t nearly as nice as the one you’re speaking of. Some are truly angry, vengeful “Gods” which will torture you for eternity regardless of your behavior (such as the Calvinist “God”). Other “Gods” control people through fear, and will only allow you into heaven by groveling at his feet like an abused dog, exactly as Anna has said. Each of them are equally as valid as yours, because none of them have any more or less evidence for their existence.

        • Casper

          ” You cannot go and tell someone the “God” they see is right or wrong,
          because each one is based on whichever specific passages the follower
          considers most important.”

          I would agree with you that there are plenty of views of “God” out there that are based only on select passages.  This is the unfortunate outcome when people choose to rely only on their favorite English translation of the Bible as the sole source for comprehending God.  But not every view of God is arrived at this way.  The prudent seeker will see every single passage as equally important.  Then he/she will read and study the Scriptures in the original languages and use commentaries produced through credible Biblical scholarship.  He/she will dialogue with others who are doing the same thing.  All the tools for doing this are fortunately readily available to all who are interested.  It was not my intention to say of Anna that her view of “God” was wrong; I said that perhaps it was a little off, in the sense that their seemed to be some elements of Scripture as a whole that could help inform her view.  I’ll try to be more considerate with my words in the future.

          “Some are truly angry, vengeful “Gods” which will torture you for
          eternity regardless of your behavior (such as the Calvinist “God”).”

          Interesting statements…could you elaborate a little on this?  I’ve never come across anything remotely like this in Calvinist theology.

          • Deven Kale

             I admit that I’m no real expert in theology, but it’s my understanding that Calvinism makes the claim that whether you go to heaven or hell has nothing to do with anything you can do. You’re predestined to go to either one based purely on the whims of their deity, not whether you believe in them or do good works. I suppose that’s just one more thing that I need to look into a bit more, but this is the main complaint I see of Calvinism.

            • http://www.flickr.com/groups/invisiblepinkunicorn Anna

              Calvinism is some pretty sick stuff. Even worse than the usual fundamentalism, IMO.

  • Turk 182

    He can invite me all he wants but I’m not partaking. I have more important things to do with my time.

    I now know Brownback’s next job. Preacher.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-McCready/1819527656 John McCready

    Why doesn’t he just ENDORSE “the end of the world” on 12/21/12 too? His bullshit proclaimation will have the EXACT SAME EFFECT, as this idiocy he is “proclaiming” for Saturday? 

  • Coyotenose

    Sorry Sam, but I already made a deal with God decades ago. I don’t pretend he exists, and in return he doesn’t smite me. It’s infinitely better than your caveman-terrified-of-thunder begging.

    If God had mercy on anyone, ever, then we wouldn’t have had to invent vaccines after hundreds of thousands of years to finally reduce -not eliminate, merely REDUCE – the number of children that die in agony. Fuck you, Sam Brownback. You can’t even come up with a ridiculous superstition that doesn’t demean the suffering of others. Fuck you.

    • Casper

       Wow friend, I really think you should take a moment, cool down, and rethink your strategy here.  Perhaps you have a legitimate reason for being upset (although I don’t fully see how you could be upset over something like this), but publishing an impassioned and embittered series of nearly meaningless drivel on a blog that the governor is very unlikely to personally come across seems like an unfortunate waste of your time.  You certainly have the constitutional freedom of speech to say whatever you want to whoever you want, but why waste that freedom in this way?  Why not focus on doing good, instead of belittling governmental leaders who genuinely have public interests in mind?

  • http://www.facebook.com/dan.brennan.3386 Dan Brennan

    If Kansans had only prayed harder they would not have suffered such a governor.

  • Dafish

    Lunatic…

  • Armstrongariz

    One day, hopefully soon, we will all grow up and realize that medieval beliefs belong to medieval times. We could not explain the nature of infectious diseases, we did not know what caused earth-quakes or tsunamis. A comforting belief, which has been a feature of all pre-scientific societies, in a spirit who governed those things outside human understanding served a real and useful purpose. But we have moved on, we have discovered many things which were previously unknown and to continue with an unquestioning belief in gods and devils becomes more and more untenable.
    The time has arrived when we as thinking reasoning human animals have to accept that notions of the divine are simply just that – notions.  Celebrate yes; not Yahweh, Allah, or the god of the Old Testament.  Celebrate our individual finite existence and the fact that we have sufficient intelligence to be able to appreciate that we now need the courage to move on and to accept that we are all connected and we and we alone are responsible for the stewardship of this wonderful planet, which for now is our only home.
     

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=587337464 Heide Meadows

    the one humanity and most especially  men
    should be begging forgiveness from is the  goddess
    for the death and torture of millions
    while trying to wipe out all knowledge and memory of her
    from the whole of the earth

    • Deven Kale

       Look into those few places when women were/are in charge and you’ll find it’s not the sex of a person that causes this type of behavior, but power.


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