Mike Huckabee: Schools are a ‘Place of Carnage’ because We Removed God from Them

You can add Mike Huckabee to your list of Christians who are using yesterday’s tragedy as an opportunity to roll back the Constitution:

“We ask why there is violence in our schools, but we have systematically removed God from our schools,” Huckabee said on Fox News, discussing the murder spree that took the lives of 20 children and 6 adults in Newtown, CT that morning. “Should we be so surprised that schools would become a place of carnage?”

He said those suffering from a crisis from faith should look to God in the community’s response to the violence. But he added that “Maybe we ought to let [God] in on the front end and we wouldn’t have to call him to show up when it’s all said and done at the back end.”

Of course, Christians are already welcome to pray to their God as much as they’d like to in our public schools. What’s not allowed is forcing all children, regardless of background, to worship the Christian God.

Huckabee’s God would be a despicable creature if He existed, anyway. Apparently, God is so sensitive about not having a formal role in the school day that he sat back and let all those children and adults die. What sort of monster would do that?

The same monster Huckabee and his acolytes believe is a “loving” God.

Huckabee, by the way, is a man who once made a serious run for President. A man who is still given his own cable news talk show to spew his venomous views. A man who could theoretically (theocratically?) have stood in the same place as President Obama did yesterday to send a message to the families of the victims — a man who would have said to the country that this tragedy happened not because of one deranged man and a culture that lets assault weapons run rampant, but because we don’t force the right religion upon our nation’s children.

For a man who has a reputation for being less of a politician than a man of the people, this is about as tone-deaf and insensitive as you could get.

About Hemant Mehta

Hemant Mehta is the chair of Foundation Beyond Belief and a high school math teacher in the suburbs of Chicago. He began writing the Friendly Atheist blog in 2006. His latest book is called The Young Atheist's Survival Guide.

  • Jporgal

    Except for the comment “assault weapons run rampant”, it is a great response about this worthless piece of human trash.

    • A3Kr0n

       Ditto on both parts.

  • Aaron Scoggin

    Ugh. That is all I have to say.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GodVlogger?feature=mhee GodVlogger (on YouTube)

    Mike Huckabee is a terrific example of how superstition warps one’s mental abilities.

    When real tragedy occurs, people with a superstitious/supernatural mindset start looking at Magic/voodoo solutions for real world problems.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Carvin/100001033684440 Andrew Carvin

    About
    25,000 PEOPLE DIE EVERY DAY of hunger or hunger-related causes DUE TO POVERTY
    which is also closely correlated with violence. This is one person every three
    and a half seconds, and it is children who die most often. Where is the outrage
    spurring you to end economic inequality worldwide? Hypocrites, all of you. Also, this person is NOT
    representative of gun owners, and if you took a moment to think, you would know
    that. I made a video about why you should own a gun for self-defense. It’s at
    my YouTube channel Zarrakan, and here’s the name:

     

    2012 4 1 ZOC Guns And Self-Defense

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ALDPE3Jlwo

     

    Watch it, share it, and join the fight against
    the evil anti-gun movement.

    • http://www.flickr.com/photos/chidy/ chicago dyke

      yes, because the answer to people experiencing starvation and poverty is to SHOOT THEM!

      idiot. 

    • MerryMarjie

      Uh, no.

    • drakvl
      • drakvl

         Before looking up the details on this case, I did not realize it happened in Louisiana. Between this and what happened to Yoshihiro Hattori, I have to ask, what is wrong with my state?!

    • Al Garnier

      You and Huckabee are both mindless. He stands in defence of a non existent god for the failings of our society to protect our children; and you stand in defence of global free access to the weapons that took their lives. With these mindsets it is little wonder why a young confused mind may turn violent and vengefully strike out at easy targets like innocent children. This child killer is the product of a growing sickness induced by mindless, emotional, religious variances on an immature psyche. The promise of immortality only enhances their sick delusions. The world will be a better place when the sick influence of religion is removed from our societies.

    • Al Garnier

      Andrew,
      Guns have no purpose except killing. Cars are necessary for transportation. Are you suggesting we should arm our grade school children so that they may properly defend themselves?
      You have to think about who you may have to defend yourself against. They are mindless,deluded individuals, such as yourself, who carry WEAPONS to commit crimes.
      If you take away the RIGHT TO ARM BEARS then the bears would be unarmed and it would be easier to defend yourself against them. It is difficult to step aside or run from a bullet.
      Crime will always be with us as long as the gap between rich and poor widens. Equitable distribution of available resources will prevent many crimes.

    • nakedanthropologist

      Suck my balls you stupid piece of shit.

    • Sfindley312

      Well said Adam!!! and they call theists bigots?

      • nakedanthropologist

        You are.  And to quote Coyotenose, “you’re a shoddy liar, liar”.  Wonderful idea fuckbrain – let’s make access to semi-automatic and automatic weapons easier!  Because, you know, it’s not that having such weapons available makes it easier for this type of horrific tragedy to happen.  Moron.  Just go back to fucking your mother and let the adults talk.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001053019942 Henning Evensen

    Im actually more worried and afraid of Fox news than the Taliban.

    • glenn

      To those who wish to hate me and others because we believe in God, where in the bible does God ever say he will protect man against itself? While you do not believe, I do believe he let his own son die on a cross. I see many here have a blanket hatred of anything Christian and hatred of people because they believe is stunning. Yes, there are many out there who use God’s name for their own purpose, which can be ugly, disgusiting, hurt people, bu the most of us believe God loves us and gives us free will to choose what we do and how we live. We do not expect that he will stop a-holes from gunning down children, no matter how much we might wish he would. I expect, and expect that my children do same, to live by what he told me to do…Love my neighbor as myself and forgive, help people. It does not mean I sit down and have cake and cookies with people who are awful. It does not mean I would not protect my children, family, friends against threats and evil like this shooter…and it does not mean I expect that God will swoop down to protect at an instance notice…What i see this man saying is that if society as a whole simply had morals and convictions to respect each other, care about each other, than maybe there are less like this shooter around…Yikes, Because he believes that caring and loving each other are morals attach to a God he believes in many will denounce him and hate him for saying it…Nowhere do I see that he says if we all believed in God this incident does not happen….He states that as sociaty walks away from ideals of caring about each other,becomes an I deserve, I am owed, all about me-selfishness, and we becomes use to seeing people hurt over and over, we bring this on…and caring about is a good thing whether you want to do it because of God or becuase it is the right thing to do…then maybe as a society we don’t see these incident if we start embracing values that do not have us hate and not care……Heck, I expect that most of you who read this will direct hatefilled rants against me just because I believe in God. I am sorry you feel that way. It is unfortunate many to choose to hate people who are Christian or believe in God because many other men/women wrongfully use God for promoting ugly platforms..Just as wrong as those who do use God’s name to hate others…As for myself, I will read and understand that God wants me to care about people, take care of people, forgive people, live a life I can be proud of…My children, wife and I will try and live our lives, and pray to a God we believe will help us live lives of love and caring for others. I hope it leads to my kids and I leading lives we can be proud of, and people will see us as good people. I will hurt becuase I wish God would protect us from ourselves, and would come and stop what happened to those children and staff. I will believe that God is with them now…One of the scriptures Jesus said…”“Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of God”…Jesus embraced the love and non corrupted values children have, and it is us, as we get older, who manipulates those values. I will know he holds their souls now…Whether you wish to believe that or that a life I choose to live comes from a God I believe in is up to you, but certainly my aims in life, as with most Christians, is moral and ethical and I believe and hope is what many who do not believe in God aspire to as well.   

      • decathelite

        I certainly don’t hate you. All I (an I suspect others who believe as I do that there is no God) want to do is present a moral conundrum: how can a good God allow a tragedy like this to happen? My answer is simple: a good God cannot let something like this happen. If I were to let a tragedy happen that I could have prevented, what would people think of me? Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn’t do it, sins. That’s James 4:17. Does that verse apply to God? I think the idea of a good God is incompatible with tragedies like these. But an evil God, on the other hand, might relish tragedies – allow a mass shooting to happen so that people will worship Him more. Sure He tells you He loves you, He tells you He is good and kind, He tells you you are forgiven, or tells you He freely gives you grace. But for those words to mean anything they have to match the actions performed. If I told you I loved you, and then murdered your dog, would you think I really meant what I said?

        • Alphabeta

          The flaw in your “simple answer” is that you assert your view of good to be the equivalent of God’s view of good. You expect His definition of good to match your own. It’s doubtful anyone will convince you otherwise, but God didn’t pull the trigger on those children, nor did He directly cause any other tragedy that has happened in history. To answer your other question, I would think you didn’t love my dog.

          That said, if my dog is hit by a car, that doesn’t mean God murdered it. If you were driving the car, it doesn’t mean you murdered it, either. But the hypothethtical death of a hypothetical dog really isn’t the point here, and I find the analogy very tasteless.

          • Jay

            Ah yes, the old “but you just don’t UNDERSTAND” argument. You realize that a psychopath with no morals could easily say the same thing to you even as they were busy murdering your family (or insert horrible act here)? “Your view of good just isn’t the same as my view of good. QED.” 

          • decathelite

            No, I do not assert my view of good to be the equivalent of God’s view of good. I am judging God by the very things that God says are sinful – in this case knowing that a tragedy will happen, having the power to stop it and not doing so.

            If my friend was mentally ill and talked often about shooting up a school, ultimately acting on his statements and I did nothing, even though I did not shoot the school myself or directly cause tragedy myself, I am morally culpable for not preventing it, according to James 4:17. 

            If you were to do an action that God considers bad (such as not preventing evil when you held the power to do so), and then I replace you with God, is the action still bad or does it become good? If it changes, what does it mean to say that actions are good or bad?

      • Nomad

        But those values you speak of are by no means exclusive to the Christian faith… Whether God-abiding or not, whether you bow to a Christian God or a Muslim or a Hindu one or even the Sun for that matter or to no God at all, respect for life is a basic human value. No one ‘hates’ Huckabee for being Christian or -supposedly- having those values as a result of his faith. We hate his comments for being so callous and displaced to blame such a tragedy on the absence of HIS God, the Christian God, in our schools.

      • woodwisard

        To those who wish to hate me and others because we believe in God, where in the bible does God ever say he will protect man against itself?

        I would say that most people’s hatred as you like to call it is misplaced when it comes to YOUR belief in YOUR God. God is much bigger than Christian. It is Hindu, Ba Hai, Budist, Islamic and others. And there are those who choose not believe. That is the country we live in. But thank you for giving us a perspective on what a Christian thinks of this tragedy. It would be nice to hear from others of other faiths.

      • Sue Blue

        Psalm 91: “Surely He will save you…you shall not fear the terror of the night nor the arrow that flies by day…no harm shall overtake you, nor disaster come near you…for He will command his angels to guard you in all your ways; they will lift you up that you not strike your foot against a stone…” Matthew 10:29, 31: “Not one sparrow shall fall to the ground that the Father does not see…Fear not, for you are worth more than many sparrows.”
        These are just two of the many bible verses in which God is portrayed as a protector. If He were not, why would you bother praying for the health and safety of yourself and your loved ones? What would be the point of pleading with a Being who is not allowed, due to his own self-imposed rules, to interfere with our supposed “free will”? When did the “free will” of Adam Lanza cancel out the “free will” of twenty-six children and women, who I’m sure would have chosen to live a long, bullet- and terror-free life with their families? Is God powerless, uninterested, or just non-existent? In the first two instances, He’s worse than useless; He might as well be non-existent.
        Let me share with you, as a parent of a murdered child, how your rationales and facile platitudes sound to those so terribly and traumatically bereaved:
        “God can’t go where he’s not wanted – this terrible thing happened because we’ve turned away from God” – No loving father ever gives up on his children; no matter how a child behaves, loving parents will defend them to the death. Is God that indifferent and powerless? “They’ve gone home to Jesus – they’re in a better place” – what an insult to the parents’ loving home. “God wanted him/her in heaven – they’re little angels now” – Why did God let them be born in the first place? So he could torture their parents by selfishly snatching their children away in such a terrible way? Was Adam Lanza just God’s Little Helper? “God works in mysterious ways” – horrible, bloody, despicable ways, apparently. Remember Job? Kids are just tools with which to manipulate human emotion and test loyalty. What kind of God allows children to be ripped apart by bullets – or be kidnapped, raped, shot, burned, drowned, beaten, tortured, and starved to death – just to make a point? And who are you – who is any human being – to judge how “good” a Christian any of those children, women, or their families, were and whether they were deserving of protection? And how do you know their “souls” are anywhere?
        It’s just so comforting for you, that’s why. You can condemn society and lay off your part of humanity’s responsibility for itself on others, saying they “turned away from God”. You don’t have to think of twenty-eight bullet-shredded bodies rotting in the ground, gone forever. You don’t need to actively work out the mental health issues, the gun-control issues, or anything else. You can wave it all away, thinking it’ll all work out someday, somehow, if you just have faith enough.

  • Dtbase83

    I’m going to link to an article by Robert Llewellyn http://goo.gl/mcmd2

    The perverse twisting of the intention of the founding fathers to defend their country against my moronic, colonialist forefathers has gone beyond anything they could have imagined. As many people have said, it’s the mind-set of many American people who have been taught; in fact the idea has been hammered into them from childhood. It is your basic human right to carry a firearm, some blokes said so back in the 1700’s so it must be true.

    It echoes my thought that the times have moved on from the Revolution, The British Empire is gone (long gone from the time in question). The constitution is a great idea but it has to grow as people grow and attitudes and ideas change, so don’t throw the baby out with the bath water, but adapt and change. Sudden gun control will not take the large number of firearms out of the population but it is time for a change. Now the Election is over it’s time for Mr Obama to act.

    • Bystander Standingby

      You do know the shooter got the guns from his mother, who was the registered owner of the weapons, right? How do you propose that gun control laws should change or adapt to address this situation? Is one degree of separation enough, or should there be more?

      Furthermore, times -have not- moved on; tyrants are still elected or come to power by other means. You are falsely claiming that such a thing could never happen here; I am sure the people of Germany prior to World War II thought the same thing. Their leader was democratically elected too, you know.

      Or – let’s look at a much more recent example: The people of Egypt overthrew their leadership, had a democratic election…and it seems (?) got a new despot in place of the old, despite all of the promises, efforts and suffering.

      You don’t think it couldn’t happen here? Just how poorly educated are you?

      • Bystander Standingby

         …ah hell, a double negative; that should be “could happen”, of course. Bah.

      • Jenni

        I don’t think a few citizens with semi-automatic guns could possibly protect themselves from the government… which includes the most powerfully military on earth… and unmanned drones and the like. It’s just not realistic. If the government wanted to overtake us, they could. Although that would require the Dems and Reps working together, so it ain’t gonna happen! ;)

    • kaydenpat

      Agree with all you wrote. Personally, I don’t believe the 2nd amendment = everyone gets to own a gun. President Obama and Congress need to work towards implementing some sensible gun control laws. I don’t recall the NRA being on any ballots, so they shouldn’t be running things.

  • sandy

    What a moron. Why do these republicans always have to justify why events like these take place with GOD? Oh yeh, because blaming it on the completely liberal gun laws would be outragous as big corporations would lose out on a lot of money. Also, these politicians which are basically bribed (lobbying) by such corporations in order to refrain from implenting a decent gun control law, would lose money too. American politics are so undemocratic and corrupt it makes me sick.

    • C Peterson

      It isn’t rational to blame things like this on bad gun control laws, any more than it is rational to blame it on some god or demon.

      The only way to address this rationally is to actually try and understand why it happens. What makes people snap in this particular way? How can we see it before it happens? What can we do to prevent it? Rationally, we need to understand the disease before we can treat it. Suggesting the treatment first makes no sense.

      I believe that we are intellectually capable of addressing this particular societal problem. Unfortunately, we seem to lack the political and moral will to do so.

      • Bystander Standingby

        The shooter has been described by classmates as “quiet” and “reserved”. One went so far as to assume this meant he was a “genius”. He was also known as having a history of mental illness.

        Did his mother know? If so, why was she buying guns (for herself or for him)? Her manner of death is curious, too; she was the first victim, and the manner in which she was killed seems very telling – though what it exactly tells, we may never know for certain.

        Listen to the quiet, so that you may learn more from it, than from the loud.

        • http://www.flickr.com/groups/invisiblepinkunicorn Anna
        • smrnda

           Yes, because treating every quiet person as a potential mass murderer is so much more just and less oppressive than passing stricter gun laws that apply to all people equally. It would be so much more just and fair and in the spirit of equality that all mentally ill people should be monitored in case they happen to someday pose a risk. Yes, mentally ill people should be denied any sort of freedom or privacy since gun enthusiasts can’t possibly be expected to fill out some extra paperwork.

          • C Peterson

            I don’t think it’s realistic to think that broad gun control laws would change anything. It’s a complex problem that demands a complex solution… a solution that needs to begin with actually understanding the problem. Until that is done, no solution makes sense.

            • sandy

              Broad gun control may not fix the problem entierly, but it is part of the solution.

      • Ron

        Very well said.

      • sandy

        Well, of course it is rational to blame it on the countries gun laws. What isn’t rational is to say that the entire problem lies with the liberal gun laws…

        There are many European countries which have a large population, but problems with lunatics and guns aren’t as much of an issue. Of course the US is a large country in terms of population, but it is the culture of guns that is a major problem which has been coaxed by major companies in order to make a profit. Americans wouldn’t need guns to protect themselves, if people didn’t have guns.

        It is well known why people snap in this way and it is no mystery at all, however I think individuals who buy guns should be thoroughly checked mentally as well as those who live in the same household as the gun owner.

        How else are you going to stop lunatics with guns?

  • Geoff

    Mike Huckabee is an idiot!

  • digitalatheist

    Major question for Mike Huckabee and the other so-called believers out there: where the FUCK was your “god” and “christ” while innocent children and their teachers were being slaughtered?

    If you say “god” had some kinda plan: fuck you and the horse you rode in on. There is NO plan so “god”damn moral it requires the slaughter of 20 children to be justified.

    If your “god” is so ‘loving’ and ‘all powerful’ not a single one would have died. In fact, the bullets would have all turned around in mid air and slaughtered the shooter, that is if any of the guns would have fired… after having melted in his hands.

    Again… Mike–and other assholes–Fuck you, your fairy-tale god, and any ‘plan’ it might have “had”.

    And as an ex-member of the military–I know I’ll be mobbed for saying this–your average citizen has no need for assault weapons at all. Not a good hunting weapon… can be unwieldy in a small area like a home… and the risk of innocent deaths by over penetration of the rounds is not to be accepted.

    On the other hand.. a good shotgun or pistol… not a bad idea to have around… IF your are trained to use one.. and know when to use one… Think about it before you buy.

    • C Peterson

      Major question for Mike Huckabee and the other so-called believers out
      there: where the FUCK was your “god” and “christ” while innocent
      children and their teachers were being slaughtered?

      Presumably, it was hardening the shooter’s heart and guiding the bullets. The same sort of thing it does countless times in the bible. Remember, this is a god that has no concern at all for human life.

      I imagine it up there in heaven with its holy Xbox, operating yesterday through its avatar “Adam Lanza”, gleefully running through hallways and gunning down children, with no more concern than most of us would have playing Mortal Combat. Hey, the whole Universe is virtual to a god, isn’t it?

      • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

        Oh my Ceiling Cat, what if all this is just a cosmic game of Sim City?

      • Ron

        GOD BLESS YOU TOO

    • Sfindley312

      So what is your justification for shooting others and maybe innocent civilians in a war as an ex-member of the military. Whos plan is that? You seem to like having that stuff around. When are you going to snap?
       So sick of hearing “where was your god when” How do you propose to help people heal. With your bullshit reason crap?

      • RobMcCune

        Stay classy theists, stay classy.

      • Pawel Samson

        What?  I read this three times and still don’t understand what you’re saying here.  Were you homeschooled?

      • http://itsmyworldcanthasnotyours.blogspot.com/ wmdkitty

        I’m stoned, and that still doesn’t make any sense.

    • Bystander Standingby

      As an ex-member of the military, you should also understand just what happens when a leader (duly elected or not) comes to power, and uses the majority of the population who supported him, along with his military, to oppress and ultimately round up and dispose of his potential opposition, by painting them as immoral, and “other”.

      Sometimes I think that the only thing standing against such a scenario happening here in America is the fact that so many citizens own so many guns. Unfortunately, it seems like so many of those same citizens support potential leaders who would likely oppress them (or at a minimum, lead them down a tragic path toward ruin).

      Have we learned nothing from our hideous past?

      • smrnda

         I seriously doubt it’s doing us much good. Civil liberties have been eroded under the last 2 presidents and guns haven’t been an issue at all. If you need to disarm a population to oppress them, you’re not very smart leader.

        There’s also the problem that private citizens with lots of guns can just go out and oppress other citizens. There’s no reason to assume that an armed population will oppose tyranny rather than use their guns to implement it. Plenty of gun owning folks don’t believe in rights for anybody but people just like themselves. The last time the US saw armed insurrection it was the Confederacy rising up against the evil feds. I’m more scared of other citizens with guns than I am of the government since many of them have some pretty nutty ideas of what kind of society they want, and it’s one where I won’t have any rights.

      • RobertoTheChi

        I would feel so much safer if only criminals had guns…. *insert eyeroll here*

    • Ron

      We will pray for you. You need it more than anyone if you really believe what you just posted. I love the way you express yourself with the word Fuck. GOD BLESS YOU 

      • http://twitter.com/buskerdog Gil Jawetz

        You’re not being serious, are you? 

      • C Peterson

        We will pray for you.

        And we will think for you.

        It’s an offer you should accept. Atheists have no common beliefs, no dogma. We cover the spectrum socially and politically. We have forums like this where we can discuss ideas that are often of common interest. We don’t always agree with each other. But we air ideas, think about them, and most of us are willing to reconsider our ideas about things when given a good argument.

        I don’t know what you are doing here, what you expect to accomplish. You’re talking to people who dismiss platitudes like “I’ll pray for you”  or “God bless you” as ridiculous and unworthy of discussion. If you want to change minds, you’ll need real arguments, based on logic and reason. Absent that, all I see is a religious troll so unsure in his beliefs that he can only spout sound bites to people who have no interest in such shallow thinking.

      • qo

        @Ron

        I find your offer most puzzling. Isn’t prayer supposed to be private? What purpose does it serve to inform us of your services? Would it make your prayers any less effective if you prayed for us without our knowledge?

  • joebloggs

    God (imaginary sky fairy)  is not a nice being. 

    It did lots of pretty nasty shit to people in the Old Testament. Watched his son die a horrible slow death, to forgive Christians sins. When if he is all powerful could have just clicked its fingers. But no, the weird sado likes a bit of offspring torture and death.

    Not a great role model.

    The right to bear arms, I think was fine for the era when it was drafted in 1689. Not today, society has moved on.

    • Helmichv

      “The right to bear arms” is outdated.
      It made sense for a farmer in Idaho to have a weapon for wolves and mercy killings.
      And the British army is long gone.
      But the reason to have a weapon downtown Chicago is man-made. There are no wolves, and a mercy killing is done by a veterinarian.
      “Society has moved on”, I fully agree.

  • dwasifar karalahishipoor

    Using this event to push your particular agenda is disgusting opportunism at the expense of the victims, whether you’re selling god or gun control.  

    • http://yetanotheratheist.com/ TerranRich

      Um, no. One (“god”) is an attempt at selling people your religion. The other (“gun control”) is a real attempt at preventing such tragedies from happening in the future. Way to falsely equivocate there.

      • dwasifar karalahishipoor

        Piggybacking off a mass murder is horrifying whether you think you’re right or not.  Making the argument “it’s okay for us because we’re right, but it’s not okay for Huckabee because he’s wrong,” rests on the assumption that Huckabee knows he’s wrong and does it anyway.  Do you really think that’s the case?  I don’t.  And if you think you’re justified because you “know you’re right,” well, Huckabee “knows he’s right” too, and feels equally justified.

        In short, either nobody can exploit tragedies to push an agenda, or everyone can.  It’s hypocritical to reserve the privilege only for yourself, no matter how right you think you are.

        • http://yetanotheratheist.com/ TerranRich

          When is the right time, dwasifar? When? Is it a day later? Is it a week later? Is it after everybody has already forgotten about this, goes on with their Christmas shopping, spending time with their loved ones,and when we bring it up then, they tell us to stop re-opening old wounds?

          What about the 100,000+ people who signed a petition to the White House demanding that gun control be addressed? Are they “piggybacking” off a mass murder?

          When a tragedy like this occurs, the correct response is not to demand that nobody talk about how to prevent more from happening in the future. The correct response is to discuss the potential causes of such tragedies, where we went wrong, what we can do in the future, and what (if any) laws need to be created, or simply reinforced.

          What you call “exploitation”, I call “addressing a serious issue that we’ve been silent about for far too long”.

    • http://atheistlutheran.blogspot.com/ MargueriteF

      I agree. I am revolted that so many conservatives are using this as an opportunity to pull out the old “nothing bad would ever happen if we just had prayer in schools!” chestnut. I don’t love people on the other side of the political fence using it for political gain, either. How about just voicing sympathy for the victims and their families, and not using this appalling and horrifying event as a political soapbox?

      • Ron

        DITTO DITTO DITTO. VERY WELL SAID. And on that note I’m out of here. GOD BLESS all of you. Even the ones I disagree with.

  • Bethelj

    Christians should abandon the public school system and educate their children in their own sphere where they can freely practice their culture without headache or restraint. If they vacated the public schools, there would be considerably fewer students, the power of the NEA would be reduced, and taxes would have to be lowered. Christians then would not have to pay twice to educated their children as they wish, in taxes and tuition.

    • Al Garnier

      Berhelj,
      I agree. We should make it our next space mission to spread human habitation throughout the universe. We should send all Christians to the planet Kolob where they can preach their mindless religions and kill each other for their sick beliefs while, leaving the rest of sane society in relative peace here on earth.

      • Bethelj

        That’s very tolerant of you.  I thought what you wanted was only for Christians to exit the public (gov’t) sphere?

        • Al Garnier

          I do but, that won’t stop the idiot Christians, Islams and Jews from trying to kill each other over their mindless religions.

          • Bethelj

            From your comment it would seem to be a human, and not merely a religious, desire to want to get rid of people one disagrees with.

            • Ron

              No we just pray for people like you. God bless you

              • http://yetanotheratheist.com/ TerranRich

                And may the marinara blessings of the Flying Spaghetti Monster rain down upon you and your loved ones.

  • Houndentenor

    He’s an opportunistic asshole.  This is based on years of experience (personal as well as what I’ve seen of him in the media…we have mutual friends).  I don’t want to misinterpret what he’s trying to say.  He’s not saying that his god doesn’t care about the children because they aren’t allowed to pray on school grounds (which is a lie actually, but a separate topic), but that the gunman because we don’t have prayer in the public schools isn’t afraid of going to hell for doing this.  I don’t actually know what the gunman believes but he had to have known it was wrong and in my experience even the most devout Christians demonstrate in their behavior that they are far more afraid of law enforcement and public opinion than they are of their god’s punishment.  It’s still a stupid argument.  

  • LutherW

    We all know ‘God’ is increasingly in the military, but apparently not enough to stop Ft Hood and drone deaths.

    • Ron

      WOW ?????????????????????????

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sandy-Kokch/100000074576649 Sandy Kokch

    With a big nod to Professor D

    The God of MIKE HUCKABEE is arguably the most
    unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty,
    unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic
    cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal,
    filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously
    malevolent bully.

    • Ron

      Yeah WHATEVER. God bless ALL you ASStheists.

      • RobertoTheChi

        Go back under your bridge…troll.

      • http://yetanotheratheist.com/ TerranRich

        Stop oppressing my right to worship the God of Ass! I am an ass-theist!

      • sandy

        Typical fundementalists to block their ears and scream like children whenever someone critisizes God. Everything Sandy Kokch said is true and you would realize that if you weren’t so small minded and more critical to what you hear and read in the Bible about God .

      • Devout ASStheist

        Thank you, and ASS bless you, too!

  • SeekerLancer

    Why can’t bad things happen because bad things happen? Why does it always have to further some fucking political agenda? It’s disgusting.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Adam-Patrick/100000027906887 Adam Patrick

    It’s funny how the godbots keep trying to get me to worship their god, but at the same time, make him out to be a complete asshole.

    • Octoberfurst

      So true!  Their God is a petty, cruel tyrant who lets kids be killed because he wasn’t getting worshipped enough and yet these idiots think we should worship such a sick, twisted God? I don’t get it.

  • houndies

    so, if prayer was back in schools and suddenly there was another shooting tragedy, what are these dumbfuck morons going to say then?? ” i guess they’d blame it on the gays.

    • Bystander Standingby

       …and the atheists, and the mentally ill, and the gypsies, and the Jews, and they would elect someone who could pull them up out of the doldrums and give then jobs and prosperity, someone who would round up and rid them of these “other” undesirables, to make their country pure and whole again.

      /somehow, that probably won’t work out…

      • houndies

        hmmm, Bystander that sounds suspiciously like a facist dictatorship?? christians dont want that do they?? you’re suggesting something akin to genocide. christians killing folks who don’t agree with them? naaah, that’d never happen. oh wait, jesus sez he came, not to bring peace, but a sword…” you might just be onto something.

    • Ron

      Wow. You not only need prayer but you need HELP also. And a better vocabulary. It’s funny how it seems all you atheists favorite word is FUCK. God blesses the ignorant also and lucky for you he forgives.

  • http://twitter.com/jordan_olsen26 Jordan Olsen
  • Aleksandrahairnet

    that is the stupid statement i ever hear 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1527623930 Melissa Williams

    I’ve removed god from my home. There’s no carnage here, no violence. We adopt animals from shelters, bake bread for our friends, give to charity and make developing empathy and respect for others a large part of our unschooling curriculum.

    • Ron

      You will have a place in heaven. Then you will believe. God bless and forgive your ignorance.

      • Jay

        Actually, no. Jesus said, “I am the way and the truth and the life. You cannot come to the Father except through me.” Since Melissa does not do her good works in Jesus’s name and is not going through Jesus, so to speak, she does not have a place in your heaven no matter how much good she does. You should also probably remedy *your* ignorance of your own scripture before you go assuming you have a place in your heaven either.

  • A Teacher

    I am a teacher and this is bullshit. I have sat through assemblies where the principal at my school lectured us on how to properly say the “under god” part of the pledge (which we do every damn day and it interrupts my attempts to get my unruly first period students settled down). Our concerts promote many christian songs and themes. The counselor got up during an assembly for girls and bullying and talked about how we should all pray for one another. This crap has happened at every school I have EVER been at.

    • Sfindley312

      Just shut the f….k up, stop whining and teach.

      • Antinomian

        If  there were a just god, it would sling a banhammer from the heavens and leave nothing but a smoking crater in your creepy appologetic christian place Sfindley312.

      • RobMcCune

        You should really take your own advice. I mean on the first to, you’ll never be fit to teach.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/N3NSE5I4VVAQSI52I6ZXNXOV5M Matthew

    I didn’t realize we had the power to “kick god out” of schools.  Not so omnipotent after all.

    • AAA

      It’s simple really, all you have to do is surround it with iron chariots.

  • SilverMarten

    What I don’t get is that if god is so loving, why didn’t he prevent this from happening? Why allow a madman to take the lives of children and some teachers?  He could have just made the bullets miss or note fire, or even better, prevented the shooter from going nuts in the first place.  Is this how he tries to get our attention?

    Also, you will get violence regardless of god’s (any god) role in the school system.  There will always be people who will disregard any religious laws and go nuts so the point seems kind of moot.   It certainly doesn’t help when it’s so easy for such people to gain access to automatic weapons. 

    • Ron

      May God be with you. If you really believe what you just said you need HIM more then any of us. We are praying for you.

      • SilverMarten

        When you say “May God be with you.”, which one are you talking about? Amaterasu? Krishna? The FSM? There are as many people who will talk just as fervently about them as you had about yours. I have no reason to worship a deity that whose adherents advertise as benevolent, yet shows absolutely no evidence for its benevolence or even its existence for that matter. And how do you know god is a he? Perhaps god is a female or has no gender at all.

        I also respectfully ask you not to pray for me. I’ve had so many people say the same thing to me and I still remain unconvinced. Prayer is no more effective than rain dancing.

  • http://abb3w.livejournal.com/ abb3w

    I’d like to draw a sliver of the attention of Hemant Mehta and his readership to what seems a less than amicable shout out over at the “Wimpy Catholic” blog here at Patheos:

    Someone found out that atheist blogger Hemant Mehta had reported on couple of fundies who read the shootings as the natural consequences
    of a godless culture. We declared him Carrion-Eating Dipstick of the
    Hour.

    The pronoun de-reference isn’t perfectly clear, but it seems “him” as a singular must refer to Hemant Mehta rather than the (plural) fundies.

    Annoyingly, there seems to be at least one Patheos Christian blogger who moderates inconvenient dissent off their blogs. (Which would seem something Patheos management ought to crack down on as a violation of the aspiration to “dialogue” they claim on the about page, but that’s a whole ‘nother can of worms.) I’ve not tested the Wimpy Catholic, but in part as precaution I’ll also repost here the comment I made there, since my comment at last check is stuck in moderation:

    Wait, isn’t it rather shooting the messenger to dub Hemant Mehta “Carrion-Eating Dipstick of the Hour” rather than the “couple of fundies who read the shootings as the natural consequences of a godless culture”? Especially when one of the couple is Mike Huckabee, who (last I can find out) had 38% favorability numbers nationally, leaving him hardly insignificant; and when the geographic correlation to higher levels of firearms fatalities seems to be more to higher levels of religiosity, rather than higher levels of irreligiosity. Compare, for example, the map from that Atlantic piece on “The Geography of Gun Deaths” to the Pew Forum’s map for “importance of religion in one’s life” being “very important”.

    Is this a case where Christianity are focused on motes in their godless neighbors’ eyes rather than on the beam in their own?

    • http://www.facebook.com/brian.westley Brian Westley

      “Annoyingly, there seems to be at least one Patheos Christian blogger who moderates inconvenient dissent off their blogs”

      I have not found one Patheos Christian blogger who does NOT do that.

      • Heartfout

        I don’t think slacktivist does?

      • http://abb3w.livejournal.com/ abb3w

        Wimpy Catholic let it through in relatively short order, which did not surprise me much. Most Patheos bloggers seem content to allow mere disagreement. My impression is that it’s more common to remove comments that are openly rude, rather than merely dissenting; I’m referring to the latter. I’ve had relatively little issue with dissent on most of the Christian blogs, myself — with one recent exception, which was a surprise given the others.

        Still, since the post was in clipboard buffer, this was cheap insurance.

    • Stev84

      Are there any Christian Patheos bloggers who aren’t disgusting fucktards? Especially among the Catholics. The Catholics on Patheos are every bit as insane as you’d expect Protestant fundies to be.

      • http://abb3w.livejournal.com/ abb3w

        There’s indeed a spectrum of variance, if you pay attention to the nuances.

        Contrariwise, there seems at least one Catholic who has more in common with the fundamentalist protestants than some of the progressive protestants have.

  • http://gloomcookie613.tumblr.com GloomCookie613

    Some idiot on fb yesterday agreed with this douche. Unsurprisingly, they couldn’t explain the Amish school shooting. I mean, it’s safe to assume prayer was all up in that school, right?

  • Kaydenpat

    “this tragedy happened not because of one deranged man and a culture that lets assault weapons run rampant”

    Exactly.  This is a country that derides anyone who suggests that there needs to be a ban on assault weapons.  We can’t even discuss gun control without being accused of suppressing 2nd amendment rights.  This needs to change.

    • Bystander Standingby

      What changes to existing gun control laws would you propose that would prevent a tragedy similar to this case from happening again? Remember, the guns were legally obtained and registered to the shooter’s mother, and the shooter has been reported as being known to have a history of mental illness…

      Would you propose that people can’t purchase firearms if they have a relative or family member who is mentally ill or has such a history? What about a friend? How many degrees of separation would be needed?

      Furthermore – what if an individual purchased and registered a firearm prior to themselves or a family member becoming mentally ill? How would your proposed changes control for that situation?

      • Mommiest

         You may not be able to prevent one like this, and frankly, we don’t have enough information yet to know. But we absolutely could have and should have prevented the VA Tech massacre. The shooter, Cho, had a documented history of mental health issues and complaints against him.  He should not have been allowed to buy anything more dangerous than a slingshot. Had Harris and Klebold been screened for mental illness, including depression, or had they been prevented from getting their hands on weapons, the Columbine shootings could have been prevented or fewer kids could have been killed.

        If I had a family member with depression or certain other issues, I would keep my firearms in a safe; it seems the decent thing to do. I don’t see anything wrong with requiring firearms to be kept away from children either.

        If someone began to show signs of mental illness that could lead to violence or participated in a violent criminal act, then sure, take their guns away and don’t let them have any more until they recover or reform.

        I rather like the laws in Switzerland: hunting rifles aren’t generally restricted, but other guns are, you have to pass a background check if you want one of those other guns, and you can lose a  license if you prove to be unstable or violent. http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/switzerland

        And while all young men are eligible for the draft, the Swiss military only takes about two-thirds of them (others are deemed unfit), and they get 2-3 months of basic training.

        For all that, Switzerland has higher rates of gun violence (including accidents, suicides, etc.) than comparable, western European countries, but much lower rates than here. I think they’ve found a pretty good balance between rights and responsibility.

  • Andy

    Pistols are assault weapons now?

  • Beverly Stapleton

    Huckabee and his ilk need to DIAF.

  • http://www.facebook.com/xaquinasx Jason Daniel

    “What’s not allowed is forcing all children, regardless of background, to worship the Christian God.”

    However, you have no problem at all with forcing a materialistic worldview on them when human life only has value if deemed convenient and there is no objective anchor for morality.

     It is pretty interesting that you whine about the supposed hate of these Christians, and yet, your site and your readers are full of hatred towards Christians.

    Are you the pot or the kettle?

    • http://yetanotheratheist.com/ TerranRich

      Are you an idiot or just a moron?

      Please show us one example of hatred towards Christians on the part of this blog. Go ahead, we’ll be waiting.

      In the meantime, don’t falsely equivocate advocating for the separation of church and state, and some straw-man representation of forcing a materialistic worldview on people. We’re not demanding that ANYTHING be forced. Why can’t you understand that? We don’t want Christianity to be forced upon schoolchildren; we don’t want ANY beliefs, religious or otherwise to be forced upon schoolchildren. And nobody — NOBDOY — is forcing any kind of materialistic anything on anybody.

      Join us here in reality… the water’s nice.

  • http://twitter.com/buskerdog Gil Jawetz

    It’s not our fault that Mike Huckabee’s god is so pathetic and weak that telling him he’s not allowed in a brick building prevents him from entering. What is he, a vampire?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Davis/638429857 John Davis

    Has he showed up then?

  • SusanComments
  • http://yetanotheratheist.com/ TerranRich

    Yeah, “Wow”. Your god is useless and imaginary. Deal with it.

  • NickDB

    Was reading up on School shootings for a debate with a friend. There were 17 incidents per decade for the 80s, 90s, 00s. The only decade that was worse is the 1950s. I think God was in schools then. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/susan.pateracki Susan Kay Pateracki

    Mike it is not because prayers to God aren’t in our schools anymore.  As far as Christians, many of us have left your churches.  We follow what Jesus Christ taught and churches no long feel like Houses of God.  There is too much prejudice and too much Judgement.   Look at ALEC, they are all Christians also but their leader Ralph Reed, suppose to be Christian Evangelist is a crooked and bad.  Ralph and ALEC gets millions of dollars because they are funded by corporations to make sure that Republicans win.  ALEC was behind the Voter Suppression.  ALEC has fought against Stem Cell Research and treatment for years and years.  I know because I am a Stem Cell Research Advocate and couldn’t get our country to move on it.  I communicated with President Obama to plea the case of children suffering with Cerebral Palsy, Autism, Muscular Dystrophy, and Cancer with no hopes for cures.  Adults suffering with Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s, Spinal Cord Injures etc.   I took this on to speak for all of the children that suffer with no childhood.  I made a Vow to God that I will go forward as he wanted and fight for the research to help his children from suffering.  I have been an Advocate for 12 years and we only could start in  2011.  All the promise of cures for so many suffering.  When President Obama announced the research moving forward and funding the research to find the cures so many children and adults suffered with.  ALEC attacked President Obama right away.  They started the lies through the churches.  Ralph Reed started the “He is a Muslim”, “He is a Communist” all the hate that was thrown on our President for caring that much.  Every hateful attacked felt like a kniffe stabbing me though the heart and Soul.  These are Christians and corrupt Christians. ALEC is politically active and controlling for Republicans.  They are now getting funded by The Koch Brothers to make sure Republicans don’t allow any Clean Air Act to pass.  The Koch Brothers are the largest  Polluters of the Country.  These people can change Legislation.  They are horrible.  Instead of spending millions of dollars to feed children in our country that are hungry.  Pay for children to have stem cell treatment to have a childhood. Not ALEC they just want control.  Christians.   The Christians today are so far away from following Jesus Christ that churches aren’t good anymore.   Many of us are still Christians but not in your churches.  Look at all you Republicans.  Look hoe crooked you are.  Look at how you protect the wealthy when children are going hungry.  Low income families are struggling.  Republicans have done every Sin possible and with power.   No it is not about praying in schools.  It is because many Christians don’t act like Christians anymore.  Christians are pit against Christians.  Some are so horrible that they always hurt other Christians.  Look at all the lies and attacks President Obama got. It took up to a month or so ago for you Christians to even know he is a Christian.  Barack Obama has more of a Christian soul than any Christians I have seen coming out of churches.   President Obama got hurt from.  He is a true Christian.  Not just a Christian by name but a Christian by soul.  Too many Christian today are only a Christian by name and many of us don’t like it.  We want to do good.  Do as much as possible to help others.  Follow our Savior Jesus Christ.  Too many other Christians have forgotten most of that.

  • Jim Cassano

    It is a beautiful thing that a child can look in the eyes of a parent and say I love you. The reason it is  so wonderful is that a mother or father knows that they could just as well say ” I hate your guts” Evil I suppose is the consequence of freedom to choose , but I thank God for the opportunity to accept or reject Him. As for Mike Huckabees comments no legislation can keep an all powerful God out of school and I reject the idea that God punished those children and their families because others have fought to stop what they view as sponsored religion.I have a quote on my refrigerator that reads ” Christianity is not defined by what happens in this world but in how we respond to it.” Gods presence in this terrible tragedy is seen in the people that have driven hundreds of miles to express their sympathy. It is seen in the  young man who was a victim of the movie theatre tragedy but is now fighting to stop this from happening to others. It is seen in the in the countless other ways that people will reach out to the victims of this terrible tragedy. My heart and my prayers go out to them.

  • KG

    The whole point of America… why Europeans left originally (and so many have left other places since) to come here… is that WE ARE FREE TO CHOOSE OUR OWN RELIGION AND HOW WE CHOOSE TO EXPRESS IT. When did that change? How would forcing a cross and a Bible into a classroom fit with that vision? The PTA mom is right… God works in schools with or without those symbols.

  • http://twitter.com/matbeeDOTcom Mathieu Gosbee

    Tool.