Founder of Domino’s Pizza is Fighting Against Contraception Mandate

On Friday, Domino’s Pizza founder Tom Monaghan filed suit against the federal government because he does not want to cover birth control for his employees.

Monaghan, a devout Roman Catholic, believes contraception is a “gravely immoral” practice that has nothing to do with healthcare. According to reports, Monaghan currently offers health insurance plans to employees that excludes coverage for contraception and abortion.

I guess, according to his logic, birth control has as much to do with heath care as taste has to do with pizza. (Shall we call that a pizza burn?!)

At least the Papa John’s guy was just plain greedy when he didn’t want to give his employees health care access.  The Domino’s guy is going to play the religion card.

Listen, dude.  If you want to try to hold your perceived moral high ground and not have sex unless you want to have babies, that is your damn business.  I couldn’t care less about what you do in your bedroom, but consider the following:

When I was in high school, I got on birth control before I ever even held hands with a boy because I got cramps so bad that I was puking. My doctor prescribed — and please note those two words when you pretend that birth control has “nothing to do with health care” — me birth control to try to rein in my symptoms and, you know, keep me from being in agony every 28 days.

Wait… scratch that whole story.  It is none of your fucking business what your employees do or do not do in the privacy of their home. You own a company; you’re not a dictator ruling over your villagers.

Do you allow Viagra to be covered under their plan?  Because something tells me that a 65-year-old guy who needs it is not trying to knock up his wife. Where’s your freaking moral outrage against Grandpa wanting to get it up?

Nothing makes me more furious then these old men denying women the health care that they need and deserve because of their Deeply Held Religious Beliefs.

Do you know what my Deeply Held Religious Belief is?  That women deserve better. That we shouldn’t still be having this same goddamn argument. That I have never met the owner of my company, and that I would be utterly outraged if he sought to dictate my personal business.

Please, I beg of you. Enough of this. I’m tired of being angry.

***Update***

I’m still working on more details of this particular story, but according too Domino’s Facebook page, Monaghan is no longer affiliated with Domino’s Pizza, as he sold the company to the infamous Bain Capital in 1998.

He is suing on behalf of himself and Domino’s Farms.  I apologize for the confusion, and here is the information that I found in several sources:

On Friday Tom Monaghan, the founder of Domino’s Pizza, filed suit in federal court in Michigan, challening the federal government over the contraception mandate. Domino’s Farms, a Michigan office park complex that Monaghan owns is also a named plaintiff in the suit.

I am still trying to establish who, exactly, Monaghan’s employees are who do not have birth control covered.

If anyone has helpful links, please leave them in the comments.  I apologize for any confusion, and I am looking into this as much as possible.  Unfortunately, I am at my day-job right now, so I don’t have tons of spare time, so extra information from readers is greatly appreciated.

About Jessica Bluemke

Jessica Bluemke grew up in the suburbs of Chicago and graduated from Ball State University in 2008 with a BA in Literature. She currently works as a writer and resides on the North side of Chicago.

  • good_creon

    Why is it  the crappiest pizza places that are the most outraged over this stuff?  Makes it easy for me, as I wasn’t  paying for cardboard with cheese on it anyway.

    • Godlesspanther

      If i were given the choice between Dominos pizza and literally cardboard with cheese on it –

      pass the cardboard, please. 

      • Greg Gay

        … and hold the stuff they call cheese.

  • Reginald Selkirk

    While Monaghan did found Domino’s, he no longer owns or runs it. Monaghan has moved on to other projects, such as:
    Domino’s Pizza Founder to Build Catholic Town

    • Reginald Selkirk

      You own a company; you’re not a dictator ruling over your villagers.

      That was ironic, considering Monaghan’s plans fro Ave Maria, Florida. (at above link)

      A former marine who was raised by nuns and made a fortune selling
      pizza has embarked on a $400 million plan to build the first town in
      America to be run according to strict Catholic principles.

      Abortions, pornography and contraceptives will be banned in the new Florida town of Ave Maria…

      • http://www.facebook.com/Funky.Uncle.Matt Matt Begley

        “Abortions, pornography and contraceptives will be banned in the new Florida town of Ave Maria…”
        Of course,  just not deceiving and scamming families out of their hard earned money and little ol’ ladies out of their homes and grandchildre’s inheritance. Not to mention the systematic raping of children.
        Keep on eatin’ that flesh and drinkin’ that blood you sick bastards.

      • Isilzha

         And how can any one do something like that in the US?

        • coyotenose

          I’m guessing that he’s buying up a big chunk of land and letting people rent space for homes and businesses on it according to a contract with “morality clauses” a mile long.

          This plan makes Monaghan nothing more than a richer-than-average cultist.

    • http://twitter.com/SteveInMI Steve In MI

      The “Catholic town” portion of his interest is kinda glossed over on his Wikipedia page. Could it be that some things are too crazy even for the crazy people to brag about?

  • C Peterson

    Sometimes it can be hard to support a boycott- when you really like the product, but really hate what it or its creator represent. But Domino’s pizza is easily the worst pizza on Earth. I tried it a few times many years ago, and recognized that even cheap frozen pizza was better. And anyplace that has Domino’s outlets almost certainly has other pizza purveyor’s, as well.

    Long before I would have chosen to pass on Domino’s because of its politics, I had already passed because I prefer not to eat crap. I love it when a boycott poses no discomfort at all!

    • Coyotenose

      Cheap frozen pizzas are definitely better than Domino’s (and some are quite good if you cook them right and pay attention instead of just walking away until the timer goes off), but I’ll argue that Papa Johns tastes even worse.

      My personal favorite is a $5 Little Caesar’s, because, well, $5 for a pizza that is better than Domino’s or Papa John’s. :P

      • C Peterson

        My favorites are artisan pizzas (usually made in wood fired ovens, usually accompanied by locally produced microbrews) made with a quality of ingredients even the best of chains can’t match. Not only is the food better, but it allows me to support smaller businesses, which I do whenever practical.

        I’ll accept your premise that there might be several pizza chains competing for bottom of the heap. Domino’s is certainly one of those.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1078695333 David Kopp

      They actually redid a lot of their recipes and such in the last few years. It’s surprisingly good.

      I’m not commenting on the lawsuit or anything, and I’m not buying Domino’s until I know what is going on, but if it turns out to be a tempest in a teapot you might consider giving it another chance.

      • C Peterson

        I’ll take your word for it. My taste in pizza has moved beyond traditional chain styles, I’d have to drive 90 minutes to find a Domino’s, and in that time I know I can do a lot better. So I doubt I’ll ever have another of their pizzas, even if they eventually become a socially responsible company I’d be willing to do business with.

    • Troglodyke

      One of my friends said, in response to the Papa John’s “flap” over this issue, was “It’s hard to boycott a restaurant for having stupid politics when you’re already boycotting them because the food tastes like boiled feet.”

  • SeekerLancer

    Good this gives me more reason to not go to Dominoes. My girlfriend liked them and I always hated them. I told her about this and she said she never wants to eat from there again. All-in-all a good day for me.

  • Michael

    Maybe if we point out that they prescribe viagra to prepubescent children these people will work out that drugs are often used for more than one thing.

    • Marie The Bookwyrm

       Oh, noez!!!!!  They’re trying to turn the children into sex fiends!!!!!

  • Godlesspanther

    Dominos pizza is so bad — it is a contraceptive. Eating some of that will definitely take you out of the mood. 

  • eric

    IIRC, Obamacare does not require Domino’s to specifically put birth control coverage in their health care offerings.  It merely says that the health care insurance companies that Dominos negotiates with for coverage must give D’s employees access to affordable birth control, regardless of which plans D’s chooses to offer.

    So, he is really filing suit to stop someone else giving his employees affordable birth control he  didn’t purchase for them himself.

  • https://agoldstardad.wordpress.com/ Fozzy

    Oh well, So much for the Domino’s pizza to go with the chicken sandwiches

    • coyotenose

       How about Chik-fil-A meat between two slices of pizza?

      …is it horrible that I would try that?

  • http://twitter.com/rlrose328 Kerri Russ

    I, too, was prescribed several versions of the pill to try to regulate my system due to medical issues.  All it did was cause more problems, but that’s beside the point.  It was not for fertility or birth control.  It was to keep me from menstruating for 20 days out of each month.  But they can’t see that a decent percentage of women fall into our situation.  What I do with my body is MY business, not theirs, and the same thing applies to their employees.

  • Coyotenose

    In before someone begins complaining that the mandate “Unconstitutionally forces companies to go against their religion”: No, companies that decide to intervene in a business contract between employees and insurance providers are the ones in violation of Constitutionally-derived labor laws. They are making assumptions about employees’ private lives, and then further assuming that they get to butt into those lives based on what they think someone might do with their earned compensation on their own time.

    And that’s the thing: insurance is compensation. You don’t get to dictate how your employees spend their paychecks, do you? No? See the problem now?

    Imagine  a company that dominates local employment deciding  that it doesn’t want its employees to drink alcohol on Sunday. It then goes to every county store that sells alcohol, gives them a list of its employees, and pressures them to not sell alcohol to anyone on the list, on the presumption that if they ever get alcohol, they’ll eventually drink some on Sunday.

    This is THE SAME THING. Actually, that’s not true. In the above scenario, typical employees could at least afford to drive a county over to buy a bottle of wine. Companies that oppose the mandate are counting on the fact that it will cause a great deal more hardship than a 20-mile drive on employees if they can’t get contraception. They can’t not be aware that they will be preventing some people from being able to afford birth control at all, let alone with difficulty, and that those are the people who will have the most to fear from not having it.

    Which means they’re also intentionally terrorizing employees that they won’t even pay a living wage so they can find their own insurance or even go to the doctor once a year at their own expense.

    • Stev84

       More simple:
      Companies per definition don’t have a religion

      • God logic

        you mean like Hobby Lobby?

        • Stev84

          Their owners have religious beliefs. The company doesn’t. And the owners can’t force their employees to follow their beliefs. That’s unconstitutional and illegal.

      • coyotenose

         Heh, I almost led off with that actually, but it didn’t fit the rest of the rant.

    • Bored

      You may want to examine your assumptions about group insurance specifically the contracting parties.

      • Isilzha

         No employer needs to know what meds I’m taking.

        • God logic

          Who’s asking? They just don’t want to pay for it.

          • Pustulio

            The employers aren’t paying for it, the insurance companies are. And they’re happy to do so, because it saves them money in the long run.

            • God logic

              I am a business owner and pay 51% of the insurance plan. Where do you think insurance companies get their $$?

          • Edmond

            If my employer is a Christian Scientist, and believes that medical treatment of ANY KIND violates his religion, can he refuse to pay for it?

            If my employer is a Jehovah’s Witness, can he refuse to cover the cost of a blood transfusion, by claiming it violates his religion?

            If he’s a Scientologist, can he insist that I have my “thetans” measured, rather than pay for psychiatric treatment?

            There’s no merit in allowing employers to decide what treatments or procedures will be allowed in an employment insurance plan. Holding a religious belief does not make a person into a medical expert, capable of second-guessing the recommendations of doctors.

    • Mark8867

      Yes, insurance is compensation, and like wages, is based on available revenues. A private company should be able to list what wages  and what benefits its willing to pay for, or what has been negotiated for.  Thanks to Obamacare, companies are trying every legal loophole, including religious angles, to get out of the extra expenses mandated to companies.  See, the current administration doesn’t realize companies don’t have the governmental abilities to print just print more money.

      • cipher

        No. Coyotenose is correct. If an employer were to pay an employee more so that she could purchase her own insurance (which unfortunately wouldn’t work, due to the way insurance companies figure group vs. individual plans), would the employer have the right to follow her into a drugstore and insist the pharmacist not sell her contraceptive medication?

        But you’d like that, wouldn’t you?

        • God logic

          Yes, just like I’m sure they follow Christians to church to make sure they tithe. Look, he is arguing religion out of desperation to cut operational costs. Tell me you’ve noticed that some companies aren’t doing so well. Besides, who do you think uses contraceptives more, atheists or theists?
          But you know I think you’re onto something! Why not pay the employee more and let them get their own insurance. If the government can mandate to businesses what insurance is to be covered, why can’t they legislate the cost of group/individual plans? Maybe there should be a choice of either contraceptive coverage or pre-natal care? Hmmm…

  • Guest

    Statement from Domino’s:

    Earlier this week, news stories came out that Domino’s Pizza founder Tom Monaghan had filed suit against the federal government regarding healthcare. Since that time, the story has been widely misreported to indicate Domino’s was involved in this action, which is completely untrue. Tom Monaghan sold Domino’s Pizza in 1998 and today has NO active affiliation with our company. The media often neglect to note this fact. His views are not our views, nor are his actions in any way related to our actions. Domino’s Pizza has made no public statements about health care, as we are still waiting to see how the final rules will affect our network of small business owners. Domino’s is not a political company; it is not a religious company – we are a pizza company.

    http://www.facebook.com/Dominos/posts/10150268881954957

    Probably worth checking facts before posting.

    • Levon Mkrtchyan

      Thank you for this fact check.  This does raise the question however: which unfortunate employees is Tom Monaghan trying to force his beliefs on?

    • Coyotenose

       Thank you.

    • SeekerLancer

      They could have fooled me, they’re not very good at making pizza.

      • http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/ Kevin_Of_Bangor

        I have to disagree with you. There pizza has improved a lot.

        • Isilzha

          They’re way better than Pizza Hut or Papa John’s and I do like some of the new pizzas and toppings they’ve added to the menu.

  • Kat

    I don’t understand the concept that employers offer or give health insurance to their employees;  though retired now, when I was working, I was given an annual accounting of compensation which included healthcare.  In other words, I earned my health care insurance.

  • Guest62

    Tom Monaghan sold Domino’s in the 90s – does he even have any leverage in this case? According to the link in the article:

     ”Like the almost countless number of lawsuits before this one, Monaghan alleges the birth control benefit violates his religious exercise rights and is asking a federal judge to strike it down. A judge has not yet been assigned to the matter nor has it been set for a hearing yet” 

    Are we jumping the gun on this a little? Nothing has happened yet. One more person in the world is using their status to voice an eye roll worthy opinion.

    • Reginald Selkirk

       And to whom did he sell it? Bain CapitalIt’s a small world, after all.

      • coyotenose

         What, seriously?

        • Reginald Selkirk

           Seriously. Bain loaded it up with debt, extracted their fees, and sold it off in 2004. In 2004, Domino’s went public, so it is now owned by stockholders.
          It is a franchise, so this applies to the central corporation, and individual restaurants are owned by franchisees.

    • http://twitter.com/SteveInMI Steve In MI

      I live across the road from Domino’s corporate headquarters, so this topic is very familiar to me. Monaghan sold Domino’s in 1998 after he stopped being interested in pizza and started fixating on spreading conservative Catholicism. His vision of conservative Catholicism falls firmly in the realm of the cray cray. He opened a chain of law schools devoted to pumping out uber-Catholic lawyers, and even tried to found a town in Florida (branded Ave Maria, like the law schools) which he hoped could operate outside of US law under a form of Catholic Sharia.

      The PR problem for Domino’s is that Tom is still widely recognized as the company founder, even though he’s been separated from the place for more than a decade. Most of his recent activities have been based in Florida since he couldn’t get any traction for his ideology in his home town – he closed the original law school in our neighborhood, and abandoned his original plans to build the town of Ave Maria next to Ann Arbor.

      That really leads to the big question: what standing does this fringe has-been have to challenge the ACA?

  • A3Kr0n

    In other news elsewhere:
    In France, Free Birth Control For Girls At Age 15
    http://www.npr.org/2012/12/18/167253336/in-france-free-birth-control-for-girls-at-age-15?ft=1&f=1001

    • David

       Free contraception for girls of any age has been available in UK for many, many years.
      Case law is enshrined in the phrase “Gillick competent”, meaning that if the girl is, in the opinion of the prescriber able to comprehend the risks involved in taking the pill vs not taking the pill, then it should be prescribed, even without parental consent. The Gillick row went on the mid eighties.

      I think ‘Fraser guidelines’ covers updated advice.

      So if a girl of say, even, 13 appears in a clinic and says she is having sex regularly and intends to continue then protecting her outweighs breaking confidentilaity. It is of couse expected that the prescriber will also counsel on the possible risks of such behaviour.

      Promiscuos behavious, or sex with someone much older might change the balance.

      Telling people to stop does not work.

      • A3Kr0n

         ”Telling people to stop does not work.” That sums it up well.

      • http://www.facebook.com/Funky.Uncle.Matt Matt Begley

        Very true and well said. If certain groups, for whatever reason, want to reduce the number of abortions taking place then the intelligent action is to provide free contraception to everyone and comprehensive sex education to teens. The main reason the Catholic Church is so against birth control is that it’s detrimental to their dominionist agenda. Plain and simple, contraception doesn’t put butts in the pews and dollars in the coffers.

        • Miss_Beara

          And it punishes those women who have dirty filthy sex.

        • God logic

          Matt, Remember when the airlines used to offer free food and drinks? News flash, it wasn’t really free but added to your ticket price. Contraceptives are not going to be free in Obamacare either.  Someone’s paying for it and it’s not going to be out of the companies’ pockets.  They’ll find a way to take it from future wages or benefits. So with everybody paying health care providers for it whether they use it or not, guess who makes all the $$?
          Certain groups don’t want to reduce but eliminate abortions because they’re not big fans of murder.  Just what is being aborted anyway?

          • coyotenose

             Preventing an unwanted pregnancy costs over a hundred times less than carrying one to term. Your argument is going in the wrong direction.

            You aren’t going to find much traction here if you don’t know the difference between the words blastocyst, zygote, embryo, fetus, and infant, and how word murder works.

            Certain groups and their uninformed adherents don’t actually try to reduce abortions because of broken ideology that leads to uncompromising stances based on bad medicine and superstition. Meanwhile, groups like Planned Parenthood actually DO reduce the abortion rate through intelligent planning and health care.

            • God logic

              Those are words that make people sleep at night. If you do nothing after insemination, what happens in 10 months? You’re aborting that path – choking that life path. Look, there are ways to prevent unwanted pregnancy. God forbid anyone take responsibility for their own actions.

      • God logic

        Telling people does not work, but holding people accountable might. These “people” you talk about are children! Any thought to instilling some values in children, instilling consequences?  I know the goal is to try to be a great grandparent by the time you turn 40, but what a freaking (and freaky) “give up , let someone else handle my parenting” attitude!  What the hell kind of dinner conversations do you have with your kids: “Try not to keep your legs up all night, you have geometry test tomorrow.”

        • Grinch

          *yawn* I’ve been on birth control since I was 15. I’m now almost 23, going to a very good university and excelling, have only had two sex partners (I will be marrying the second one in a year and a half before I enter graduate school), and do not plan on having any children (no abortions either) although I might adopt in the future. 

          Birth control does not preclude ‘values’ or responsibility. Oh, and I have lots and lots of have sex. ;) So Mark, you can fuck off.

          • Grinch

            *I have lots and lots of sex. <– This is why I shouldn't type when I have a kitten attacking my feet lol. 

            Although I think it is fascinating that you targeted women, maybe young men should be taught to keep it in their pants? Because we all know that men aren't involved in the process, right? For some strange reason, I don't remember having to force my male partners into having sex. 

            • God logic

              If I targeted women, it’s only because: 1. The subject dealt with contraception, and 2. Women usually are the ones left to handle the consequences. Men can be turds that way. You don’t see many men volunteering to get snipped and later unsnipped do ya? :o )

              Look, I think religion and the Bible are road maps for human behavior. Can you argue following the Ten Commandments is not a good way to live? I know there are odd stories in the Bible but they were written for the times, in a way they could handle the messages.

          • God logic

            Grinch, I am happy for you – truly I am. Something also tells me that if you were to get pregnant, you would be a loving responsible parent. But you are probably the exception to the rule. I agree birth control doesn’t preclude values or responsibilities any more than I think a pill/procedure can instill them. The fact your plan is to have babies or adopt after school is precisely what the majority of parents want for their children.
            Maybe my issue with this is what would have happened if the pills didn’t work, or if there was an accidental pregnancy? Perhaps my analogy is a bit out there, but would you and your partner be in a position mentally, physically, and financially to care for a baby? Wait until you find out how terrifying that is from a parental standpoint. In the meantime, I wish you continued success and sex….

        • coyotenose

           Fetuses aren’t children. See my above comment.

          Google “Slut shaming” to see what is sick about your statements.

  • DougI

    If your boss is this intently interested on how you’re fucking then I’d check the washrooms for hidden cameras.

  • Question Everything

    Agreed, his position is awful for his current company (as it would be for any other company(.  And yes, it’s useful to link him to his most well known position as founder of Domino’s.  But there’s no link between him and the pizza company these days.  Best to be clear that he isn’t connected.

  • SeekerLancer

    I hope conservative Christians have a big show of support by all eating Domino’s on the same day like they did with Chik-fil-a.

    I want to see them biting into slices of Domino’s pizza and making disgusted faces then giving a fake smile and pretending to like it as they suffer trying to choke the crap down.

    • The Other Weirdo

       Dafaque did I just read?

  • Chris Kilroy

    Too bad he will end up with lack of standing on this case.  Domino’s is publicly traded and I don’t even see Monaghan on the Board or corporate management. Now it appears that he owns an office complex in MI, who is also named as a plaintiff. I guess that is the company in question and not the pizza company, which is a publicly traded and 95% franchisee owned operation? If so, he might get standing for that and then lose the overall argument. Corporations are not people and don’t have religious freedom protected by the Constitution. And the religious rights of a company owner or senior management do not trump the individual rights (religious, medical privacy, or otherwise) of the employees under them. And as Jessica has pointed out, these are medical decisions and prescriptions. A gender discrimination argument CAN be made if contraceptions are denied but things like viagra and cialis are covered. Then Monaghan is in big trouble. 

  • http://profiles.google.com/davydd.norris David Philip Norris

    Does anyone else remember Monaghan being a huge supporter of Sam Brownback in 2008? He was the Presidential candidate who was against everything except American expansionism, and oppressing women and gays.

  • Birdie1986

    I don’t know how he could have standing to sue the government over this if he is not an employer subject to the requirements.

    • Reginald Selkirk

       He is an employer, just not of Domino’s Pizza. That was a failure of Jessica to do her homework.

      • Stev84

        That still shouldn’t give him standing, since he doesn’t provide health care to his employees. He provides insurance. That makes him at least one step removed from any access to birth control.

  • cathouseumbrella

    I’d just like to point out that the birth control pills/Viagra comparison isn’t a very good one. It’s a small thing, but I see it a lot in these conversations and I don’t think it makes the case very well since the Catholic church is also opposed to paying for vasectomies.

  • SJH

    It seems to me that we have someone who sees his right to practice his religion as being infringed upon and wants to fight that infringement. It is that simple. This is not about birth control or a woman’s body or her decisions. This is about this person’s constitutional right to practice religion.

    It seems that every time a nativity scene is installed on public property atheists out there rant that their constitutional rights are being violated and that it is not about religious hate but about the constitution. It is argued that the constitution holds a primary position. Regarding the birth control mandate however, the constitution takes a back seat to a woman’s assumed right to have access to the pill. Is this not hypocritical?

    • The Captain

      WHat you dismiss out of hand however is that his employees ALSO have the right to practice tier religion! 

      Freedom of religion for employers only huh?

    • RobMcCune

      He’s denying other people health care, it’s that simple. It seems theists can’t understand the concept that other people have rights too. Somehow a person’s healthcare decisions are subject to the whims of a religious idiot. Is that not moronic?

    • Reginald Selkirk

       So you want to say that his religious beliefs give him a right to control the sexual and reproductive rights of everyone who happens to work for him? To deny that is certainly not hypocritical.

    • Greg Gay

       If Monaghan is against birth control because of his religion, he shouldn’t use birth control or have sex with women who are using birth control. Should he be able to exercise his Old Testament religion to buy and sell slaves and beat them to death if they suffer at least two days before dying? If doing business is in some way against his religion, he should get out of the business.

      Atheists don’t rant about their rights being violated by nativity scenes on government property. It is unconstitutional for a government entity to do it. It is perfectly legal to put up decorations on private property with the owner’s permission, of course. Why do Christians insist on breaking the law when they can do it just as easily legally? Why do Christians celebrate Christmas at all and ignore Jeremiah 10:1-4 and Galatians 4:10-11?

    • Edmond

      No, it’s not hypocritical.  Suppose he was a Christian Scientist, and decided that ALL medical treatment was against his religion.  Can he force THAT view onto his employees?  If he was a Jehovah’s Witness, can he forbid blood transfusions from being covered by insurance?

      He didn’t open a CHURCH, he opened a PUBLIC BUSINESS.  He doesn’t get to demand that his employees waive their coverage based on HIS religious beliefs.

  • walkamungus

    I stopped buying pizza from Domino’s in the late 1980′s, when Monaghan’s anti-abortion stance became public. This was in a town where pizza delivery options were extremely limited in the first place…

  • http://www.facebook.com/Funky.Uncle.Matt Matt Begley

    People’s private and persional healthcare is absolutely none of his or anyone elses business. That is between a patient and their doctor.

  • Maryem

    Sometimes it all comes down to the plan one has. My insurance policy did not cover birth control, but we chose the plan because it was more affordable. WhenI was on the pill, we had to pay for it out-of-pocket. But it definitely was not because my employer didn’t want to cover it, it was because that’s the plan we all chose.

    The mandate means that all health insurance is now more expensive, so now we’re paying a lot more overall. (more than when we had to pay out of pocket!)

    • smrnda

      Could you explain the clear, causal relationship between the health care mandate and the cost of premiums or plans?

      The reason plans go up in cost is that employers just feel like diverting more and more health care costs onto workers to increase profits. They are greedy, lying bastards who want you to pay more and get less, and will blame the mandate and hope you don’t pay attention to the huge dividends the shareholders are raking in while they tell you that the mandate is just bleeding them into the red.

      Employers do the same thing when they pretend that increased costs are entirely because of health insurance companies. No, plans are negotiated between employers and the insurance companies, and employers want to do anything but admit that, no matter how the business does, the shareholders and CEOs will get theirs, and the workers will get the leftovers.

      • Maryem

        Can I explain it? Not really, I’m not an expert – I just see that the plans that include birth control are much more expensive than those that don’t.

        is there corruption? I’m sure there is!

        • Stev84

          Which is silly from an economic perspective because pregnancies are a lot more expensive for insurance companies. They can cover many women’s birth control for the cost of a single pregnancy.

      • Mark8867

        How do you not get the concept of more coverage equals more costs?

        • Teresa

          How do you not get the concept that more birth control equals fewer abortions or births, both of which cost way more than birth control? 

  • Vanadise

    I’m always amazed at how stories like this bring out the pizza hipsters who feel compelled to let everybody know that X pizza chain’s pizza is divine and Y’s tastes like cardboard, and then there’s the super-hipsters who let everybody know how pizza is inedible unless it’s made only with imported ingredients in an antique oven by a chef who can’t speak English.

    Am I the only person who feels like all of the big pizza chains are of roughly the same quality, which is to say, “pretty decent,” and they all provide perfectly edible food in the event that you don’t feel like going to a fancy restaurant and spending twice as much?

    • OregoniAn

      You are definitely not the only one. Arrogant elitism is quite the rage these days.

      I used to work with someone who would rattle off endlessly about how the only true pizza is made in New York.. He was a bagel snob too as I recall. (Yes. Snobbish over bagels..)

      I used to get back at him by going on endlessly about how the only good Diet Coke came from a vending machine at the bottom of the stairwell of the Smith & Goodman building in Stamford, CT – and of course the only decent “smore” was made by the proud members of Girl Scout troop 342 in LaPlata, MO.

      People need to get over themselves~

      • Troglodyke

        “I used to get back at him by going on endlessly about how the only good Diet Coke came from a vending machine at the bottom of the stairwell of the Smith & Goodman building in Stamford, CT – and of course the only decent “smore” was made by the proud members of Girl Scout troop 342 in LaPlata, MO.”

        This made me snort my Coke out my nose. Thanks for the guffaw.

      • coyotenose

        The Diet Coke thing is great. But where is the alleged arrogant elitism in this thread? You have several people stating they don’t like Domino’s, and one who goes for artisan pizzas over commercial. That doesn’t resemble the “arrogant, elitist in-your-face hipster” description being used to dismiss the posters.

        • Vanadise

          Let’s have some choice quotes from the other posts here:
          “Domino’s pizza is easily the worst pizza on Earth.”
          “It’s hard to boycott a restaurant for having stupid politics when you’re already boycotting them because the food tastes like boiled feet.”
          “Cheap frozen pizzas are definitely better than Domino’s”
          “I’ll argue that Papa Johns tastes even worse.”
          “My taste in pizza has moved beyond traditional chain styles”
          “Dominos pizza is so bad — it is a contraceptive.”
          “I wasn’t  paying for cardboard with cheese on it anyway.”
          “[Rather than Domino's] pass the cardboard, please.”

          Those come from people who felt the need to post that without anybody asking their opinion.  What do any of those statements have to do with the topic at hand, which is the former owner of the company opposing contraception?

    • Antinomian

      Pizza Blasphemy I Say!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6OE7LEYELE4MZTVXGZUSVTBFUI julie

      I guess no one here saw all those commercials a few years ago where they actually admitted that their pizza tasted like shit and decided to change their whole recipe. Seriously, give Domino’s another chance. It’s delicious!

    • G Cowell

       Granted, but I want to know about when an individual’s  religious beliefs infringe on other people’s healthcare

    • coyotenose

       So you’re blithely dismissing other peoples’ opinions that a particular brand of pizza is bad by insulting them. Classy.

      • Vanadise

        No, I’m not dismissing other peoples’ opinions.  They’re welcome to think that a particular brand of pizza is bad.

        I’m saying that if you feel compelled to comment on every news article you see about pizza by saying how that particular brand tastes like cardboard, regardless of whether the quality of the pizza has anything to do with the article at hand, then you are an asshole.

  • Gus Snarp

    Bottom line: Neither you, nor your religion, get to decide what constitutes health care, that’s a matter for health professionals and their patients to determine. Nor do you get to decide how your employees use their compensation, and that’s what this is, compensation. Let’s be clear about that, it’s part of their paycheck, for them to spend as they see fit. It’s only in the form of health insurance to: 1. Take advantage of group purchasing to reduce costs for health care, and 2. Because there’s a larger social cost to the choice not to have health care, which society at large has a reasonable interest in reducing.  You as an employer don’t get to tell people how their compensation is used simply because it’s grouped into a health plan instead of just cutting a check. 

  • ReallyReallyBored

    Jessica Bluemke: I am very pleased you worked for a BA in
    Literature; there is much treasure in the canon to be mined with textual
    criticism.  I would suggest a few courses
    in business accounting to give you the background necessary to refute, as a
    rational person ought, a business person’s argument.

     

    • RobMcCune

      Um, this is a story about a lawsuit, are you by any chance a lawyer who specializes in constitutional law?

      • ReallyReallyBored

         

        I am a constitutional lawyer as Jessica Bluemke is a
        writer.  And you?

    • OregoniAn

       …and I could point you towards a few books to help you out with remedial English..

      • ReallyReallyInterested

         Please do!

    • coyotenose

       Google “The Courtier’s Reply” to help you grasp why your post is easily dismissed.

      • ReallyReallyBored

         

        The urge to dismiss is correlated with bigotry.

  • God logic

    Let me see if I have this right: Atheists are upset because this company owner, who happens to be Christian, is invoking religion to avoid paying for contraceptives?  Are contraceptives exclusively being used by atheists?  I thought drug companies were smarter than that to target such a small demo.  Come on now, Christians are bigger users than atheists. Is it really a religious issue or someone just using a loophole to try to avoid paying something that was mandated by a socialist government?  But for fun, let’s pretend it was intended to only target atheists.  Exactly which benefits are the Christians getting exclusively?  Prenatal care?  You’re welcome to it!  Don’t atheists want to be parents at some point too so, you know,  they can get their 15 year old contraceptives?

    • cipher

      Actually, we’re more concerned with getting contraceptives into the hands of your young people, so they can stop churning out imbecilic trolls.

    • Stev84

       He isn’t paying for anything. The insurance company is.

    • Reginald Selkirk

      Let me see if I have this right: Atheists are upset because this company
      owner, who happens to be Christian, is invoking religion to avoid
      paying for contraceptives?

      Yes, that’s right. We are upset because an employer is attempting to force his religious beliefs on his employees.

      Are contraceptives exclusively being used by atheists? …

      No. Christians who are concerned about religious freedom should also be appalled.

      Is it really a religious issue or …

      Yes, it is a religious issue. As for Monaghan’s motivations, I can’t read his mind. But his record of behaviour points to his actually being a theocrat.

      But for fun, let’s pretend it was intended to only target atheists…

      Why would we do that? Our position does not depend on the specific targeting of atheists. Your comprehension of the arguments is very poor.

  • cbee

    If you are tired of being angry, then stop being angry. That is a choice you are making. On another issue, you are a very confused person with, apparently, a strong need for enhancing your knowledge of an acceptable, mature, vocabulary.

  • Vampcaff

    A bunch of pissing matches, who fucking cares? If your employer doesn’t offer what you need then quit and find a different job. Who exactly here is morally wrong? The owner who keeps his beliefs or the hypocritical employee who’s sucking off the tit? As if b.c. Is soooooo expensive. Give me a fucking break, walk your asses down to planned parent hood an get your b.c.


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