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Hemant Mehta is the chair of Foundation Beyond Belief and a high school math teacher in the suburbs of Chicago. He began writing the Friendly Atheist blog in 2006. His latest book is called The Young Atheist's Survival Guide.
Ah the good old days.
It wasn’t all that bad. That’s not persecution, that’s testing faith……
Walks into the distance humming… Those were the days my friend… thought they would never end…lalalala…
Christians are still being imprisoned, tortured, and killed.
And in countries polically controlled by atheists.
Could you actually provide some proof for that? And please don’t say North Korea.
North Korea? Hah, here is what some interveiwees said (to a man named David Hawke) about religion in North Korea:
“Under the North Korean system, freedom of religion cannot exist. I never heard of it until I left North Korea.”
“I never heard about religion.”
“Religion is an opium… that paralyzes the ideology of the people. Religion was rooted out since the 4th Party Convention (Dang Daehoi) in 1958.”
Not terribly impressed by your research skills so far Bob. The official religion of North Korea is called Juche.
“According to Juche, there is no god but Kim Ilsung, the country’s “Eternal President”, which makes North Korea the world’s only country governed by an embalmed dead body. Juche attributed divine powers also to Kim Jongil, the sole author, editor and interpreter of Juche.”
This from the North Korean’s Christians website.
Oh that site is selective when it comes to the interviewees point of view of their experiences in North Korea. They (from what I noticed) choose only the ones that say things like Kim Jong il and Kim il Sung are “gods” and that Juche is a religion and what not. Which is funny considering that North Korea Christian’s site gets most of their information from David Hawke. By the way, Juche is the State’s Ideology-not religion, granted, some describe it as a religion-but I wonder if they are using that metaphorically.
B.R. Myers said this about N. Korea:
“No matter what some American Christian Groups might claim, divine powers have never been attributed to either of the two Kims.”
Kim il Sung once said this:
“We [could not] turn into a Communist society along with the religious people. Therefore, we purged the key leaders above the rank of deacons in Protestant or Catholic churches and the wicked among the rest were put on trial. The general religious people were…put into prison camps [and given a chance to reform]…. We learned later that those of religion can do away with their old habits only after they have been killed.”
Kim Jong il said this:
“If there is an omnipotent entity, then it is none other than the people.”
I have not been impressed with your research so far Patterson…
Wasn’t it the primary virtue of the early Xians to be persecuted and die for their faith?
I would imagine the vast vast vast majority of persecutions of Christians were at the hands of other Christians.
Nope. Atheists killed Millions of Christians in the Soviet Union and Red China and other such countries.
Face it. It happened. No use denying it.
Really? Do you have anything to actually back up the claim the millins died in Russia and china from religious persecution, specifically because they were Christian?
How about some quotes?
“The strict enforcement of atheism was a critical aspect for the success of Communism.”
“The abolition of religion; as the illusionary happiness of the people, is the desire for their real happiness.”
“Atheism is a natural and inseparable part of Marxism, of the theory and practice of scientific socialism.”
-Vladimir Lenin, In Religion
“Religion is the opium of the people: this saying of Marx is the cornerstone of the entire ideology of Marxism about religion. All modern religions and churches, all and of every kind of religious organizations are always considered by Marxism as the organs of bourgeois reaction, used for the protection of the exploitation and the stupefaction of the working class.”
-Vladimir Lenin, In About the attitude of the working party toward the religion
“Communism is incompatible with religious faith.”
-Nikolai Bukharin and Evgenii Preobrazhensky, In The ABC of Communism
“It is our duty to destroy every religious world-concept… If the destruction of ten million human beings, as happened in the last war, should be necessary for the triumph of one definite class, then that must be done and it will be done.”
-Yemelyan Mikhailovich Yaroslavsky, at the Second Congress of Atheists
“A fight to the death must be declared upon religion … take on religion at the tip of the bayonet …”
-Nikolai Bukharin, editor of Pravda, 1929
“There can be no doubt that the fact that the new state of the USSR led by the communist party, with a program permeated by the spirit of militant atheism, gives the reason why this state is successfully surmounting the great difficulties that stand in its way – that neither ‘heavenly powers’ nor the exhortations of all the priests in all the world can prevent its attaining its aims it has set itself.”
-Yemelyan Mikhailovich Yaroslavsky, 1932
“Communism has not changed its attitude of opposition to religion. We are doing everything we can to eliminate the bewitching power of the opium of religion.”
-Nikita Kruschev, 1955
“Science has long since established that Jesus Christ never existed, that the figure of the alleged founder of Christianity is purely mythical.”
-The Atheist’s Handbook, published in 1959
I’ve got plenty more in my arsenal…
Nice quoting there Bob, unfortunately nothing you quoted supports or is
evidence for your contention that millions died in Russia and China for
being Christian. You might want to check that “arsenal” of yours again,
but this time for actual evidence. Otherwise we’ll just have to assume
that your just peddling the usual whiny Christian bullshit.
What in any of that is not evidence of them killing for the fact that they were Christian. By the way, other religious denominations suffered too.
I’d like to see some evidence that they were killed just for being Christian.
See above response to patterrssonn.
Nice quoting there Bob, unfortunately nothing you quoted supports or is evidence for your contention that millions died in Russia and China for being Christian. You might want to check that “arsenal” of yours again, but this time for actual evidence. Otherwise we’ll just have to assume that your just peddling the usual whiny Christian bullshit.
See responses above…
” Atheists killed Millions of Christians in the Soviet Union and Red China and other such countries”
First, quotes are not proof that action of any kind was taken. You’re not being honest by pretending that people saying something means they do it without fail.
Second, If you assert that millions died, then you clearly have facts that we do not, but you fail to prove it. Quiotes mean nothing, since everybody talks and most say things they don’t mean (especially politicians).
So please share the diaries, videos, books, etc of the survivors that you’ve seen, justifying the idea that atheists killed millions of christians. Or you can say nothing and prove your demonizing what you’re told to demonize, and using anything to justify this.
I am not trying to demonize atheists. Did I insult you? And I am mentioning religion in general.
“So please share the diaries, videos, books, etc of the survivors that you’ve seen, justifying the idea that atheists killed millions of christians.”
There is a non-fiction book called “Peasant Rebels Under Stalin” by Lynne Viola. In Chapter 2 titled: Mark of the Antichrist, it talks about one of the reasons as to why the Russian peasants were so belligerent when Stalin initiated the Collectivization program in the late 1920′s. The peasantry (whom were deeply religious) saw the Soviet regime as godless communists and the antichrist because of the arrest of priests-and killing of them and large numbers of the faithful, the teaching and propaganda of atheism, and the formation of antireligious organizations such as the Society of the Godless. They feared if they moved to Collective farms, they would get the Mark of the Antichrist.
In the 1950′s the People’s Republic of China had a program that tried to rid itself of the traditional secret religious societies (to which there is not much information known about this policy) called the Withdraw from the Sects Movement. During the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution many of the chants of the Red Guards were things like “Beat down religion” and “Beat down Jesus religion” the Red Guards destroyed religious relics and large numbers of the faithful. According to the Nine Commentaries of the Communist Party of China.com in the 1950′s Party cadres began to destroy religious shrines and icons like the great Kitchen God that was so beloved to the Chinese peasants. Shall I go on?
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